#MikeBrown did not “bum rush” the Ferguson police officer

Wednesday, August 20, 2014

Good morning:

LLMPapa is back!

He has a unique way of getting to the truth in a heartbeat and in this video he exposes the lie that Michael Brown stopped suddenly after running 35 feet away from the officer’s vehicle, turned and “bum rushed” him.

According to his girlfriend, the officer fired but Brown “kept coming and coming.” The officer kept shooting and the last shot to Brown’s forehead finally put him down.

Brown must have been running in place because his body was found 35 feet away from the vehicle.

The officer executed Mike Brown and lied about it to his girlfriend.

The District Attorney for St.Louis County will be presenting evidence about this shooting to a grand jury today. He is going to have some ‘splainin’ to do do, if the grand jury does not indict Officer Darren Wilson for the murder of Mike Brown.

Thank you, Papa, and welcome back.

174 Responses to #MikeBrown did not “bum rush” the Ferguson police officer

  1. Leroy Eugene Hudson says:

    Are the gunshots on Mike Brown on on his right side because he was shot with his hands up while turning to the right?

  2. Trisha0620 says:

    Audio Tapes (St. Louis Dispatch)
    The Officer didnt call this in

    • Trisha0620 says:

      EXCERPTS:

      9:35: “Ferguson is asking for assistance with crowd control . . .”

      10:58: “Now they have a large group gathering there, she doesn’t know any further. . .”

      11:20: “We just got another call stating it was an officer-involved shooting . . .”

      11:30: “Be advised, this information came from the news . . .”

      11:55: “We’re just getting information from the news and we just called Ferguson back again and they don’t know anything about it . . .”

      20:00: “. . .destruction of property . . .”

      21:55: “They are requesting more cars. Do you want me to send more of your cars?”

      43:55: “Attention all cars, be advised that in reference to the call 2947 Canfield Drive, we are switching over to the riot channel at this time . . .”

  3. Trisha0620 says:

    The Officer didnt file a police report on this , the minute it happened they handed all this over to St Louis County,
    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/michael-brown-shooting-why-ferguson-police-never-filed-incident-report-n186431

  4. Two sides to a story says:

    Roses in the street for Mike Brown

  5. sparger says:

    All those black people who say basically the same thing are lying liars. You know that white friend of officer Wilson who wan’t there knows exactly what happened.

  6. sherna lee says:

    I got this from tcdays DAILY KOS

  7. sherna lee says:

    Ferguson has our attention. The fight for justice for Michael Brown is one of the recent tragedies to highlight the systematic targeting and oppression of people of color who are faced with hyper criminalization and police harassment on a daily basis. The subsequent reaction of the police force has forced the nation to realize the harsh, brutal reality of militarizing our police and enabling them with weapons of excessive force.
    The loud call coming out of Ferguson, Missouri has become a national rally to action.

    Those in the Ferguson community are working to address these systemic problems and force our nation to seek justice for Michael Brown, while representing countless other victims. We need to support their work in the ways that will best serve their needs.

    There are a number of ways to support the movement growing from Ferguson, here are a list of resources and requests from organizers, organizations, and media on the ground:

    .

    Support to the Family: Justice For Mike Brown
    There are two ways to donate directly to the family of Michael Brown—
    online, you can use the Michael Brown Memorial Fund. Organizers have confirmed this as the official donation portal with the family’s attorneys.

    If you prefer to support the family with a donation via check, the Brown family has established a memorial fund Fifth Third Bank. You may drop off a check at any of their branches or mail a donation. Please include “Michael Brown Jr. Memorial Fund” in the memo line:
    Fifth Third Bank
    8013 West Florissant Ave.
    Jennings, MO 63136
    Call the branch at 314-685-3200 with any questions.

    Bail and Legal Fund for Ferguson Protesters

    A bail and legal fund has been established to support the people who are being arrested in Ferguson, MO for exercising their constitutionally protected right to assemble and protest against systematic use of excessive force against black and brown communities. You can donate via PayPal.

    Resources to Sustain Protests and Local Movement Building

    On the ground, protesters and organizers in Ferguson need support and supplies. Leaders need resources for their outreach and organizing, street medics need supplies for injured and exhausted protestors, protestors need food and water, every morning volunteers are organizing cleanups, crowd control needs bullhorns, folks needs signs, and citizens need equipment to document the events—and police brutality.

    Donate to the local, immediate needs and support of building long term infrastructure at the Hands Up, Don’t Shoot Campaign Infrastructure Fund here.

    Long-Term Organizing: Organization for Black Struggle

    Organization for Black Struggle (OBS) is in Ferguson, MO. They are asking for the resources to hire an organizer dedicated to organizing youth in Ferguson and manage the movement building happening on the ground. A PayPal account has been set up separate from our regular donations, to specifically support the Ferguson organizer. You can donate here.

    Provide food support through the local food pantry:

    According a local Ferguson church, the food pantry in Ferguson is running short on supplies because of the unrest. Please, donate to the food pantry at St. Stephen’s Episcopal church in Ferguson.

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    Our friend, Elon James White, host of This Week In Blackness, which is normally produced from the Daily Kos offices, and his crew, are broadcasting live from Ferguson. Their work is providing valuable, independent, black media to the world. Please consider supporting their efforts by donating here.

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    Build a local movement in your community, to address these issues locally, connected in solidarity with the work happening across the country. If it isn’t already happening, help make it happen by doing the following things:

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    For those who want to be in Ferguson:

    Right now, the situation is still organizing and the need for some folks with particular skills are the most necessary:

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  8. MKX says:

    Man, this tune captures all of it:

  9. Malisha says:

    To me that video looks like: Guy acted a little crazy, cop car was there, cop got out of car, guy continued to act a little crazy (nothing that would have caused me to do anything more severe than crossing the street to put a little distance between us) and then nine shots are fired and the guy is killed, after which a bunch of squad cars roll in, yellow tape goes up, the dead man is handcuffed by two officious looking assholes, and the bystanders are all ordered (mostly rudely, but in one case politely) to get out of the area, so no more can be seen.

  10. J4TMinATL says:

    How do I post pictures I took on here?

    I would love to share pictures from the rally and march I told y’all I went to in Atlanta.

    • Go to flickr.com and create an account.

      Follow the on-screen instructions and upload your photos to flickr.

      Go to flickr.

      Copy and paste the link into your comment.

      If you used your phone to photograph, you can probably do all this from your phone.

      Otherwise, you’ll have to download your photos to your computer and upload to flickr from there.

      If you have video, upload it to youtube.

      • J4TMinATL says:

        Thanks Prof. Is it safe? Doesn’t reveal identity?

        • I don’t know.

          Crane created an account there using her screen name.

          Our haters, and we appear to have a legion of them, hacked into her account blocking access to it and diverting people to another page. She can no longer access her account.

          We stored copies of legal documents pertaining to her case that tie certain people to criminal acts and they are very upset. We believe they are responsible, however, with as many haters and stalkers as we have, we cannot be certain.

          This just happened recently. We haven’t had time to unravel the problem at the site.

          Crane’s new computer also was hacked and destroyed.

          I think most people have good experiences with flickr. We did until this happened.

          I believe there are other free sites like flickr that host photos.

  11. Sophia33 says:

    Now listen to the initial police account of the shooting and killing of the mentally ill man with the knife. This account doesn’t jive with the video.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/20/kajieme-powell-shooting_n_5696546.html#comments

    • J4TMinATL says:

      I think the one in red was the clerk. He was standing the closest. The man who videotaped it starting from the beginning seemed to be making fun of Powell until police rolled up as Sophia mentioned

      I hear Powell say shoot me several times and shoot me mofos. Does anyone else agree that the police are yelling drop the gun?? I swear I think they are screaming drop the gun (that we know he didn’t have.) The videotaper says they got guns but he’s referring to police. That knife was so tiny just like the anatomy of those 2 police killers.

      I just can’t even believe it. If I had witnessed this I would have screaming, probably been on my knees crying and scarred for life. To see his body fall so far that it ends up at officer’s feet breaks my heart. The number of shots is sickening.

      *tears*

      THEY LIED. LIARS. FUPP THEM.

  12. Two sides to a story says:

    Protestors in Oakland hold mirrors up to cops

  13. ay2z says:

    It seems to take a long long time to get to the root of this evil. It’s been over fifty years since the US federal court ordered one little black girl, one very brave little black girl, to enter first grade in the first integration of two schools in New Orleans.

    This is off topic, but not in that Ruby Bridges, with her escort of federal marhalls, faced 200 hateful, ignorant, loud and threatening to kill her each morning on her way into the schoolhouse.

    I’m saddened by those images, those in positions to make a difference in this latest case of murder of an unarmed black person must have the will to make a difference. The prosecutor may not be capable of this challenge.

    Back to little Ruby, last evening I happened upon the Ruby Bridges Story, in full on youtube. Tonight, this interview with the psychiatrist, who wanted to help Ruby, to be there for her as she, at only 6, faced this gauntlet of hate towards her, and he had no idea even why.

    Psychiatrist Robert Coles, speaks about Ruby and her parents. It’s a long struggle, when will the ignorance end? When will the prayers work?

    • ay2z says:

      typo– “and She had no idea” why the hatred

    • J4TMinATL says:

      Wow ay2z never seen this video. Dr. Robert Coles wrote a book, The Story of Ruby Bridges, and it’s used in schools today. Teachers assign students to read and discuss. It’s filled with illustrations and tells Ruby’s story. I think it’s a great idea for 3rd graders, even 5th graders to learn and understand Ruby’s struggle and open the discussion on civil rights.

      I don’t know remember ever being assigned to read anything in HS. Every child, teen should know these stories, both Ruby’s and James’ stories and struggles. And many more.

      Thanks for sharing : )

    • J4TMinATL says:

      I posted this video above, mgs.

      Reminder / Warning: GRAPHIC

    • Malisha says:

      This shooting of Kajiemi Powell is something you would not have seen in South Africa during Apartheidt! Because it was so open, so obvious, so much a sign of “occupying forces will execute the enemy for any reason.”

      The way the police then clear the area and push the people blocks and blocks back and say “turn around go” you can see that (a) they do not want witnesses; and (b) they do not feel that they have to give an account of what they have done.

      This is a disgusting, disgusting video. This is — OMG the police are so horrible to look at, with their smug murderer chins and their taut, fat stomachs under the blue fabric. Monstrous!

  14. J4TMinATL says:

    Full video (GRAPHIC) of 23 yr old shot 4 miles from Ferguson. Video is at bottom of link.

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/08/19/3473247/police-officers-involved-in-fatal-st-louis-shooting/

    • Sophia33 says:

      Unnecessary. Open season on black people!

    • Sophia33 says:

      Murder! The sad part is we are seeing the murder of a black man on video and no on is batting and eye.

      • J4TMinATL says:

        The bystanders were kinda just yeah police just killed him over honey buns and coke. In the beginning it felt like the guy videotaping was making fun of him.

    • MKX says:

      OMG!

      There were unarmed ordinary people who strolled on by that man who the police shot.

      How can anyone with a straight face say that these cops are willing to put their lives on the line for this community?

      At the slightest threat of any harm, they pull out their guns and shoot.

      IMO, cops should have no guns.

      Sure, that will make the job more dangerous and the macho right wingers will not want to apply. So what. Jobs are hard to find, these days, and there will be a ready supply of MEN willing to do this job without a gun.

      Note the reaction of the guy who I think made the call to the police. I figure he thought they were just going to detain and arrests a guy who took a couple of drinks without paying. Now, he will have to live with the fact that his call resulted in this man being gunned down over a couple of coffees.

      • MKX says:

        I also note that the man who I think called the police was willing and able to stand face to face with this “threat” and argue. He did not have a gun or did not seem to feel he was in any way in a situation wherein he needed lethal force to save his life.

        So the scale of bravery is clearly:

        Ordinary person >>>>>>>>>>>> police

      • Bill Taylor says:

        they had a sheriff from florida on last night and he clearly said we know a significant number of applicants want to be police so they can kill some people.

  15. Bill Taylor says:

    do these officers understand they SHOOT unarmed people and a fella with a tiny knife that did NOT lung at them or flail about just this week and then THEY are pointing loaded weapons at innocent people? they shoot people for far LESS than they are DOING to all of us……..

  16. dianetrotter says:

    Hi everyone! I’ve been dealing with hip, back and knees and now pain radiating down arm to fingers.
    I just heard on Fox that Big Mike beat the officer up so badly that another officer had to take him to the hospital. He had a fracture around his eye. I flipped the channel to see if anyone else was reporting that.

      • Malisha says:

        Bullshit. He was hanging around the body looking like a lion pacing around his kill, and you could see his face (not even ashamed!) and he had not a scratch on him.

        • Malisha says:

          Of course, if he HAD been beaten up it would be clear why he killed Michael Brown: RAGE. REVENGE. ANGER at losing a fight with an unarmed teen-ager.

    • Nef05 says:

      From eyewitness accounts fogencopper left the scene in his own vehicle, which is something I have a problem with considering he claimed Mike Brown was assaulting him inside of it and a shot was fired from inside. It should have remained as part of the crime scene for techs to process.

      It’s possible that once he got back to the station (or where ever) and they decided on the assault story, he had someone take him to the hospital. But, no hospital records or photos have been released. Seems as if the officer was so badly beaten the chief would have released an injury report and incident report to the public to calm down the protesters. I’m not buying it.

      • Malisha says:

        I heard that the ambulance they had called for, for Mike Brown, was used instead to take Wilson to the hospital.

        • J4TMinATL says:

          Are you effing kidding me? I saw “medic” people come to body while Wilson was still there. So the Ass’t police chief took Wilson in ambulance himself instead of his own damn car?

          Welcome to Ferguson.

        • Nef05 says:

          I wouldn’t be in the least surprised. (facepalm)
          There’s a video showing them loading MB into a black SUV. It’s sitting right next to a white SUV slanted across both lanes, app 35 ft from MB’s body. There is no ambulance on site. So I think you have more accurate info than I did. I don’t think I should post the video. You can see Mike Brown in the street when you post it. It’s embedded in the article linked below, or you can c/p “mike brown, ferguson missouri! loading the body in a SUV” in the search on youtube. Warning – Graphic Video, Graphic Language, NSFW!

          http://aattp.org/video-shows-ferguson-police-dumping-michael-browns-body-into-suv-nsfw/

    • J4TMinATL says:

      Hi Diane

      I’m sorry to hear that you are experiencing radiating pain. I can emphasize as I get radiating pain down my leg from back injury.

      I have to stay away from Fox as much as possible.

  17. Sophia33 says:

    I pro-police officer protester came to instigate the crowd.

  18. Michelleo says:

    Oh, my gosh! The Michael Brown Memorial Fund has raised $107,922 of 80k! I remember Trayvon’s fund struggling and being very low.

    http://www.gofundme.com/justiceformikebrown

    • Sophia33 says:

      Of course racists need to support each other.

    • Malisha says:

      I think that what ultimately happened in the Trayvon Martin case has helped lead a lot of people to say:

      ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! and “NOT ONE MORE!” and that is going to make this case a lot harder for the combined racist forces to get away with their fecal matter. The smell is already past the “air freshener” stage.

    • J4TMinATL says:

      Gross. Just gross.

    • J4TMinATL says:

      michelleo-

      112,646 raised by 4445 donors in 7 days
      Great news. Let’s keep it up!!!!!!

      Murdering Cop:
      115,500 raised by 2804 donors in 3 days

  19. J4TMinATL says:

    Posted yesterday. Did anyone read this about another Ferguson officer?

    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5682454

    • Michelleo says:

      Yes, I read this yesterday as well. This is a tough one because if a police officer does this to a kid, he or she won’t be walking around for very long. This is a disgrace.

  20. Michelleo says:

    National Guard Member Used Racial Slur Talking To CNN Producer “Never Know What Ferguson N-Words Will Do
    Via Rawstory reports:

    CNN host Don Lemon, who has spent recent days reporting from Ferguson, recalled on Tuesday that a member of the National Guard had called protesters the n-word.

    During a CNN town hall event about the racial divide in the U.S., an African-American member of the audience asked what safeguards could be put in place to prevent officers from overreacting when dealing with black men.

    The Black Sphere’s Kevin Jackson noted that putting body cameras on officers changed the dynamic in police stops.

    “If there’s a camera, he knows he’s got to check himself,” Jackson explained. “And if you know an officer has a camera, you also have to check yourself.”

    Lemon pointed out that body cameras could also make a certain “type of person” think twice before going into law enforcement in the first place.

    “I’m just going to be honest with you,” Lemon recalled. “Last night, one of my producers said that they — I won’t say if it’s a he or a she because I don’t want to give anyone a way — said that they came in contact with one of the members of the National Guard. And that they said, ‘You want to get out of here because you’re white. Because these n-words, you know, you never know what they’re going to do.’”

    “True story. I kid you not,” the CNN host lamented. “2014, a member of the National Guard, and my producer doesn’t lie.”

    This is just disgusting

    – See more at: http://bossip.com/1019324/national-guard-member-told-cnn-producer-you-want-to-get-out-of-here-bcuz-youre-white-never-know-what-these-ferguson-ns-will-do-video/#sthash.NXup1xQd.dpuf

  21. MKX says:

    All those who are supporting the cops in this incident need to heed this warning:

    Rational minds in our country need to realize that, if things do not change, we are headed for a conflict.

    • Michelleo says:

      It’s us against them. That’s what I get from this entire police state situation. From the 17-year police veteran who wrote a New York Times piece saying we’d better do what he says or get hurt; to the Ferguson Police Officer “GoPhuggYourself” willy-nilly pointing weapons at citizen journalists and directly telling them that he would kill them.

  22. Sophia33 says:

    Another witness on CNN saying that Mike Brown did not “bum-rush” the cop.

    • Bill Taylor says:

      his story matched dorians story almost perfectly……..they both said he hid by the next car and then WATCHED the shooting up close

      • Sophia33 says:

        Yep. So why hasn’t there been an arrest.

        • Bill Taylor says:

          i dont think there will be an arrest……this is the government putting itself on trial……just like in the fogen case to prosecute him exposes the entire corrupt system prime example they did NOT interview eye witnesses that day and some still have no been interviewed…..also some eyewitnesses FEAR speaking thinking the same thing will happen to them, they SAW a cold blooded murder and know it could happen to them.

          • bettykath says:

            It’s another case of white privilege on trial, or not. Considering where the power is in Ferguson, white privilege will probably prevail, just as it did in Sanford.

      • Sophia33 says:

        Tobin was just saying how credible this new witness appears.

  23. Bill Taylor says:

    a new eyetwitness is on CNN right now he confirms brown did NOT charge towards the officer…….another cold blooded murder.

  24. Bill Taylor says:

    some warned…the fogen case opened the door to say “i was scared” is all it takes even when the SCIENCE proves your guilt…….this is just now getting started……

    • MKX says:

      The fogen trial exploited “believed” to be in life threatening danger to mean what Zimmerman thought.

      It is supposed to be what a reasonable person believes in light of the evidence presented – not what the mind of a delusional idiot nuttier than a fruitcake believes.

      The very first time I heard the voice of fogen on that 9-11 tape, I said to myself:

      “man, this boy has done bumped his head way to many times”

      I mean his reason for calling 9-11 in the first place was based on a series of entirely non-reasonable logic.

      “He walking around in the rain…”

      Well duh, you moron, most teens don’t have a car and they do like to go to stores at the rather reasonable hour of 7PM

      “He’s looking around at houses…

      Isn’t that what eyes are for?

      “He’s staring at me…”

      Gee, only in the world of mental midgets, would a car creeping along behind a walker for an extended period of time NOT draw the attention and a look from that walker.

      So why would any sane or logical person accept his reasons to believe he was in life threatening danger?

      I guess what I am saying is that those who believed him give rise to the premise that racism is some sort of mass mental problem.

      • Bill Taylor says:

        that was how i expressed it at the time…..your post mentions the delusional mind and i said if fogen walks then all “paranoid” people are free to shoot anyone the “fear” on sight.

      • YQ says:

        You remember Fogen, don’t you? The same guy that followed that 17 year old kid in the dark with two flashlights and a loaded KelTek, but no! He wasn’t following, he was looking for an address number as he was going in the same direction as the kid.

        “The kid who was hiding in the bushes, waiting for me…” Where? There’s no bushes he could have hidden behind.

        “He stole on me and pushed me to ground!” Conveniently in the direction that you said he went (40 ft) – again you weren’t following him but you knew exactly where he went.

        And don’t forget the big one. “He went for the gun that was holstered behind me, as I was laying on my back. So instead, I shot him (with a third arm) and he said, ‘Damn, you got me…'”

        “But alas, I didn’t know that I shot him so jumped on him and made sure, but stretching his arms out to see if he had any weapons that he didn’t get to use when he ambushed me.”

        Those were the days…

      • Nef05 says:

        I guess what I am saying is that those who believed him give rise to the premise that racism is some sort of mass mental problem.

        This seems like a good place to post that HP has an article that cites several studies, including at least one longitudinal study that show a CAUSAL, not correlational link between low IQ/low intelligence and racism.

        But scientists have over time solved these problems, and the key finding has held up: Empirical evidence has consistently linked low intelligence with prejudice.
        […]
        The empirical evidence supports this link, too. Low intelligence and “low effort thinking” are strongly linked to right-wing attitudes, including authoritarianism and conservative politics. And again, there appears to be a demonstrable causal link: Studies have found, for example, that children with poor mental skills grow up to be strongly right-wing adults.

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wray-herbert/is-racism-just-a-form-of_b_5694894.html

        On another note – Limbaugh has apparently decided that the President has blown up Ferguson to distract from Benghazi. Normally, I wouldn’t post something so blatantly political here, but I couldn’t resist the chance to juxtapose it against the quotes from the article… :p

        • JJ says:

          “Empirical evidence has consistently linked low intelligence with prejudice.”
          That doesn’t appear to be true from my experience. It appears to correlate between conservatives and prejudice – Fox News, the TreeHouse – and that appears to correlate with politics (conservative) and religion. The church supports conservatism.
          The conservatives I know are very intelligent – Pharmacist, two-star general, engineer, nurse anesthetist…. Conservatives will usually side with the Police officer here until proven wrong.
          I’ve finally come to the conclusion is that the way a person views the world (conservative vs liberal) is based on genetic makeup – it’s born into the person. In my immediate family, they are all conservative – and I am so different (liberal). Engineers, military, police and nurses are professions coming to mind whose members tend to be conservative. When a conservative follows the Ferguson shooting – I believe they actually see it as supporting the cop until proven otherwise.
          This conservative view could also come from going to church and reading the bible. There is anti-Semitism in the bible, masters and slaves. The slaves are supposed to obey their masters. Blacks were slaves. Obey, obey. The conservatives are even very prejudiced against liberals and say liberals are godless. Remember Obama – where is his birth certificate, the Reverend Wright, Obama’s muslim.

          • J4TMinATL says:

            JJ –
            May I ask what you do?

            My partner is an Engineer and is no conservative. We wouldn’t be together if he was lol.

            My late Grandfather was an Engineer and was very conservative.

            Used to date a Pharmacist. Not conservative at all. And I live in Georgia.

            But you’re right, Engineers by far have been found to be conservative. Examples above are exceptions. Only been 2 Presidents, Herbert Hoover and Jimmy Carter who were engineers.

          • Malisha says:

            How dare you! MY SON is an engineer; I won’t have them slandered! 😆

          • JJ says:

            J4TMinATL asked what I do. A helpful question would be what I’ve done:
            1. Worked at Hewlett Packard – lots of engineers with software background.
            * Two Brothers are engineers.
            * Also worked as a temp at Rockwell Collins international.
            Noticed that many of the engineers had blue eyes and were left-handed.
            2. Went to Vanderbilt school of nursing in the heart of the bible belt.
            3. After junior year at college, spent a month in the military as part of their recruitment program for WACs.
            Son-in-law was a drill sergeant.
            Brother is retired two-star general.
            Experience:
            During Dessert Storm, I spent two months at Fort Jackson. I walked into the hospital to the second floor. A man came up and sat down (black man) eating an ice cream cone. I commented, not very good security here. I just walked in. He replied, I am security – would you like part of my ice cream cone? and smiled. I told him I had just decided to go to nursing school and was interested in looking at the hospital environment. He offered to give me a tour.
            On thing he said as we went through the tour stuck with me. “Support the system at all costs.” That said it all – you don’t whistle-blow, mention faults etc.
            Observation: I notice that many careers have uniforms resembling the military – police, pilots.

            As you can tell, I try to make sense of this world of ours.

          • Nef05 says:

            Studies do show a difference between the brains of “conservatives” and “liberals”, so genetics are involved, as you’ve stated. That said, I’m certainly not going to question your experience. I know intelligent conservatives as well, though they tend to consider themselves fiscally conservative and socially moderate. Everyone falls on a continuum. I think it’s probably important to note the article doesn’t use the term “conservative”, they use terms like “rigidity” and “strongly right wing” and “right wing ideologies”. I guess the question is do the correlations you note spring from the cause the researchers found? You say not in your experience. I’m certainly not going to dispute that.

        • Bill Taylor says:

          i have never had a racist thought that i can recall, i always understood skin color alone says NOTHING about the individual, i also see and saw the racism in my peers daily…….without giving a number my IQ fell into the top 1% when tested by the USAF…..just like the fogen case all of the science supports the VICTIM, NOTHING backs or backed either of their silly beat down stories……but clearly many people buy their line of BS hook line and sinker.

          • Nef05 says:

            Yes, many do fall for it, even as you state the science doesn’t support it. I’ve never been prejudiced against race/ethnicity. I can’t be. Besides the fact that it makes no sense to me, it would involve a large degree of self-hate since I’m Black, Native American, European, and Filipino, the only people I could hate would be Hispanic people, which is kind of dumb. There are many things I dislike about people: bigotry, lack of empathy, intellectual laziness/dishonesty, hypocrisy among them. But these are individual traits. I could never dislike someone simply for their membership in a group they had no choice of being born into.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      I noticed a big increase in rightwing trolls on Twitter circulating the “x-ray” of Fogencopper’s orbital injury and messages from Fogen’s playbook today.

      Hopefully this won’t work as well in MO as it did in FL. Not to mention there will be far more solidarity across the country by groups who already protest on a regular basis about police killings and police brutality and who are none too happy about the Fogen verdict.

      • YQ says:

        Yes, I’m afraid that there won’t be an indictment by local officials. That must be why petitions are already lined up and ready, according to Shaun King’s account. Here we go again, buckle your seat belt.

      • bettykath says:

        Are they pointing out that the xray is a file photo and not that of the cop?

      • Michelleo says:

        Quite simply, if there was a struggle and Mike Brown cold-cocked him in the eye before managing to get away; why didn’t he call for backup or just train his gun on him until help arrived?

  25. owl says:

    every one of my incoming and outgoing phone calls are monitored and recorded for “quality” by my employer; there are screen shots, time assessments and other micro-managing techniques.
    the technology is there for on-body police cameras.
    our conduct and behaviors are positively affected, or at least, there is recourse to determine how conversations and actions took place during events.
    it is high time officers of the law are held accountable and are monitored by the available technology.

  26. MKX says:

    Déjà vu

    “George Zimmerman kills unarmed black teen”

    “A threatened George Zimmerman has to kill enraged and dangerous black teen”

    “George Zimmerman, who has left the state, killed black teen who looks just like this picture of someone acting thuggish”

    “George Zimmerman’s whole life is about to be ruined just because he had to kill a dangerous thug who threatened the safety of the whole community”

    “All the Zimmerman’s are experts on the need to kill thugs”

    • YQ says:

      Ha, I would not be surprised if there was some manual on how to get away killing AA teens, that only the Jakes would have access to. Maybe Fogen got the gist of this secret manual through his ride-alongs with the cops.

  27. Malisha says:

    OK, so the story starts as

    “white cop kills unarmed black teen” and then you have the story morph into

    “threatened white cop has to kill enraged and dangerous black teen” and then you see

    “white cop who has left the state killed black teen who looks just like this picture of someone acting thuggish” and then you get,

    “white cop’s whole life about to be ruined just because he had to kill dangerous thug who threatened the safety of the whole community” and then you get

    “all white cops are experts on the need to kill thugs”

    and then you DON’T get

    “all Black unarmed Ferguson residents are experts on why rational African Americans are understandably upset about rampant and society-destroying racism infecting our police departments and courts.”

  28. Michelleo says:

    Officer GoPhuggUrself Relieved of Duty

    ACLU Asks Col Replogle to Remove Inappropriate Officer
    August 20, 2014

    On Wednesday, Aug. 20, the American Civil Liberties Union of Missouri faxed a letter to Colonel Ron Replogle, superintendent of the Missouri State Highway Patrol, asking him to identify and remove a police officer who demonstrated an inability to perform appropriately in Ferguson on Tuesday, Aug. 19. The officer pointed an assault weapon at civilians and threatened to kill them. When asked to identify himself, the officer responded with profanity.

    “This officer’s actions heighten the tension surrounding Ferguson,” said Tony Rothert, legal director of the ACLU of Missouri. “I am hopeful that Col. Replogle will respond swiftly because this behavior is contrary to the Missouri State Highway Patrol’s effort to build positive relations with the community.”

    • Bill Taylor says:

      THAT is the reality of the militarization of police…….that PUNK with a weapon he should never be allowed to own is threatening to MURDER law abiding citizens in plain public view.

      • YQ says:

        That’s also the window to the mob mentality that those policemen must have in Ferguson. Normally, one should not be paid to perform any profession that would allow that type of disrespect. Especially the police.

      • YQ says:

        It might also give you a clue to what happened on that fateful day that MBs constitutional rights were violated.

      • MKX says:

        I though pointing a gun and saying “I will shoot you” is the crime of assault?

        Pointing a gun also violates every military rule in the book that I am aware of with respect to the proper use of a fire arm.

        I mean the guy on the other end of that barrel can logically assume that he is in imminent danger of bodily harm that can lead to loss of his life and, as such, has the right to respond with deadly force.

        That said, sane people who wear a uniform do everything possible to eliminate mental ass-wipes with guns who could cause an incident which results in the loss of innocent lives.

    • Bill Taylor says:

      this officer has been suspended in a law and order world he would be fired and arrested.

  29. MKX says:

    Anybody here ever play board games that simulate reality?

    For example, a game wherein my tank fires at your tank will have to resolve a series of probabilities:

    what are the odds that the shot hit the target?

    If there was a hit, where?

    Did the hit penetrate armor?

    What did the penetration damage?

    Each stage, back before home computers, was resolved by a die roll and matched to a result table.

    An added layer of realism was a die roll modifier to take into account leadership and crew experience + = better – = worse

    Racism in the USA is systemic wherein a black person gets a negative die roll modifier for just about every act they partake of in our society.

    • PhillyBoyRoy says:

      Most white internet commenters believe that blacks own everything, including the judicial system, federal government and all corporations, and that the odds are overwhelmingly stacked against them, as whites.

      Because blacks protest murder and Native Americans won’t let them keep their racist football team names.

      • Malisha says:

        The noticeable thing about entitled psychopathic abusers is that they “out-victim” everybody. That, and “massive projection.”

        That about covers it.

      • MKX says:

        Blacks own everything?

        Wow, the entirety of the 20th century was characterized by the mostly successful exclusion of a black person from owning real estate in parts of the USA that were designated whites-only. Today, the biggest factor in the disparity of net worth between blacks and whites, when the 1%ers are excluded, is real estate.

        Steeeeeerike one.

        And the clearly racially biased enforcement of drug laws cause a felony conviction for blacks at rates four time that of whites, although studies that use proper random sampling show that white and blacks consume illegal drugs at about the same rate. A felony conviction closes the door on getting most well-paying jobs.

        Steeeeerike two

        And the biggest issue of the 18th century was whether or not whites had the rights to own blacks and claim the fruit of any labor a black they owned as their own – you know – “we built this country”.

        Streeeerike three.

        Those white internet commentator think post-racial is when blacks and American Indians act in the “proper” way that “enlightened” whites define for them.

        With respect the American Indian, the saying was:

        “kill the Indian and save the man”

  30. YQ says:

    Oh my!!! Wilson needs a nickname, but Fogen has already been applied. Suggestions anyone?

  31. Bill Taylor says:

    i have hoped that racism was dying out but it is becoming clear to me MANY whites are pure evil racists………..

    • Disappointed says:

      That is heart breaking seeing a 14 year old ask the question AM I NEXT? Bill I never thought race would still be an issue in 2014. The racist make me embarrassed and ashamed to be white. Whenever a crime has been committed against me it’s been by a white person, but if you listen to the racist the only criminals are black. Smh

    • bettykath says:

      I’m white, actually, a shade of peach :-). I’ve been astounded by the number of people that I know and care about whose whole demeanor changes when the topic of people who do not look the same or are of a non-Christian religion is brought up. The arrogance and/or fear is so unfounded. It’s irrational. The longer the conversation, the more the arrogance and/or fear turns to expressions of hatred. I just don’t understand it.

      I have an unfinished discussion with a HS student about why Blacks cannot be racist, but they can be biased based on skin color or culture or whatever. Racism requires a power structure to enforce a bias. Bias without a power structure is just bias, not racism.

      • Bill Taylor says:

        not trying to argue but to me any person can be racist as an individual without any power structure needed…..institutional racism indeed does require such a power structure.

  32. JJ says:

    MB had choices when he heard gunfire. Wonder if MB would have been better off hitting the ground while his back was to the cop. I’m sure blacks are always looking for better strategies for better outcomes.
    With a military type “Hit the ground”, there could be no charge of “bums rush”. It would be more difficult for the cop’s shots to hit MB. If there was a fatal shot, the wounds would show up on an autopsy diagram in the posterior plane – “Shot while running away” or hitting the ground.
    The cop might also think “I got him” and begin to approach with no further gunshots.

  33. Two sides to a story says:

    Meanwhile, the Fogen family has been quiet – even Jr isn’t posting much on Twitter.

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman/os-trayvon-martin-doj-civil-rights-investigation-20140820,0,1018138.story

  34. Two sides to a story says:

    True that the grand jury testimony might not start until October? I hope not.

    • Susan says:

      The St Louis county prosecutor targets mid-October for the Grand Jury to hear COMPLETE evidence.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Seems a bit slow.

        • Nef05 says:

          He’s only meeting with them once a week.

          • That’s standard operating procedure for most state grand juries.

            It doesn’t take long to satisfy a grand jury that probable cause exists to believe that a suspect has committed a crime when hearsay and irrelevant evidence are admissible and there is no cross examination.

            By contrast, most federal grand juries serve 18-month terms and meet once per month.

        • Nef05 says:

          They just ended for today at 1pm local time. . So, once a week and half days at that. This will drag out for months. No sense of urgency or priority whatsoever. This prosecutor is so out of touch with what’s going on, it’s not even funny and may end up being tragic.

          • Malisha says:

            The prosecutor is NOT out of touch; this is a carefully orchestrated way to get rid of the Feds. “The Grand Jury is considering this” is a method of deflecting investigation from above. Just watch. The crowd goes home. The case goes cold. The killer comes home and gets another commendation (or maybe, first, a transfer).

          • Two sides to a story says:

            I don’t think the crowd will go home on this one.

          • Malisha says:

            I hope the crowd never goes home on this one; this should be the last one. Even if they charge, arrest, convict and sentence Wilson for the crime, that is not enough. You have a gerrymandered community that is Black ruled by a white minority that sees its mission as controlling the criminal tendencies of their “folks.” They control them by the general threat and disrespect method: pulling up and saying “Get the fuck on the sidewalk” or the like. Who ever recommended THAT as a method of serving and protecting anyone? This is the model for the neofeudalistic society we are becoming. When the “commoners” rise up, you need to put them down with great energy and a show of force; otherwise they will challenge your authority. And blame all the violence on THEM, on THEIR violent temperament and THEIR bad behavior.

      • If he thinks people will move on and forget about what happened, he may be in for a big surprise.

        Actually, it’s grossly irresponsible for him to put it off that long. This is not a complicated case with a lot of witnesses and a mountain of evidence that has to be processed in a forensic lab.

        No good reason exists to delay going to the grand jury.

        Should have been done today, next week at the latest.

        Simple issue to decide: whether there is probable cause to believe that the officer’s use of deadly force was reasonably necessary to prevent death or serious injury to another person.

        Since MB was unarmed and his body was found 35 feet from the officer’s vehicle, which is where MB stopped and turned around, MB did not rush toward the officer and he was not in any danger when he shot MB multiple times.

        That’s it.

  35. MKX says:

    The bum rush story flies in the face of logic.

    1) A is close to B and has a chance of taking of deflecting a gun held by B that can kill him.

    2) A, in response to B shooting the gun, flees.

    3) A decides to attack although he is now without any chance of deflecting or taking the gun that can kill him.

    4) A, upon being subject to fire that could kill him and sans any cover, decided to surrender and hope for the best.

    Number 3 is patently stupid and not logical for a human. However, for a wild animal, it is entirely possible. So I feel there is definitely a racist component to this line of “reason”.

    If a human did want to kill the cop?

    They would have stayed at the car and engaged in a life or death struggle – close combat.

    Witnesses?

    From a bad point of vantage, a witness might interpret turning and surrendering with hand up as turning and trying to strike with a raised hand.

    Note that the defense was able to twist John Goode seeing arms moving down as proof that Trayvon was delivering an MMA pummel job.

    • PhillyBoyRoy says:

      Let’s say the animal-racist logic is true – he “bull rushed” the killer cop, named Darren “Murderer of Teens” Wilson.

      Do we contend that shooting and killing an unarmed teen is necessary, even when they are “bum rushing” you? ESPECIALLY from pretty far away.

      If anything, run. Get back in the car and leave. You shouldn’t have been there any way.

      Fight. Wrestle him down. You are a trained cop (in theory). Subdue him.

      He’s bigger than you? You suck at fighting? Call for backup. Call for help.

      Use your baton.

      Anyone who espouses the “he had to shoot due to bum rush and black” line needs to be taken to school.

  36. Yes. Love you LlmPapa. The ” friend” , is nothing but a parrot, for this cop. SMH.

  37. bettykath says:

    The “friend” said that Michael and his friend ran together and turned together. She doesn’t know that they didn’t run together and that it was only Mike that was in the street. Her story is hearsay so she can’t be a trial witness. She’s part of the spin.

    • Malisha says:

      If there’s a charge and a trial, there will be a cartoon video just like they played for the six female idiot-liars on July 13, 2013 in the Fogentrial. They’ll make a cartoon video of this huge terrifying Black man trying to murder a cop while he sat innocent in his car, and then leaping back and running away at the speed of light, and then turning, head down, bumrushing (WTF IS “bumrushing” anyway?) while the poor cop tries to stop him with bullet after bullet. Distraught, threatened, “shitting bricks” and fearing for his life, the poor cop accidentally self-defensively kills the bumrushing criminal and from then on, all the cigars in Ferguson are safe from strong-arm robbery. Amen. The little cartoon video will be in color and the cop’s face will be all puffed out and bruised. The “friend” and Mike Brown will be running like synchronized swimmers. The music will be from the 1812 Overture.

      • MKX says:

        Racists like to throw in what they think is black lingo from some lame ass movie stereotyping black that they saw.

        When I heard Zimmerman state that Trayvon said “you got a problem Homie?” my liar, liar pants on fire alarm bell went off.

        Sadly this is how a center-liberal thinks:

        “I am not racist, unlike a conservative, because see blacks as different and tolerate their “behavior”.

        When pressed on what they mean by “behavior”, it becomes apparent that they have the same set of racist assumptions as many right wingers.

        • YQ says:

          BUMRUSHED!
          Ahh, the irony of that word being used in a police brutality-type situation. Kelly Thomas was a “bum” that was “rushed” by cops and killed by them. On the other hand, a killer cop used the word to describe his narrative of the victims’ actions while he (the cop) offended the rights of that victim.

          Excuse me, Mr. Wilson. I always thought “bum-rushing” meant like when you rush a poor homeless bum. Cops tend to do that from time to time. It must be like cow-tipping to them.

          • PhiilyBoyRoy says:

            See below for Public Enemy video.

            Also, there is nearly zero chance (excuse me for stereotyping here) that a female would use the term “bum rush” unless coached.

    • Nef05 says:

      I could be mistaken, but from what the legal commentators were saying yesterday, hearsay is allowed in a grand jury. It is solely up to the prosecutor. I think the Prof has a link to grand jury articles. I’m going to read up.

      In this case though, the prosecutor may not use the “friend”. He’s already taken it to another level by INVITING the officer, himself, to speak. They also said it is that is extremely rare, and generally when done, it is implicitly understood that it is because the prosecutor wants a “no bill”.

    • Nef05 says:

      Bettykath – I know you specified “trial” witness. I jumped a step. I don’t believe it will come to that. She could potentially go before the grand jury.

      We live in a different world where grand juries have become little more than rubber stamps signing off on indictments proposed by prosecutors. This is not surprising since grand juries meet in secret without a judge to supervise the proceedings. Hearsay is permitted because the rules of evidence do not apply and the targets of their investigations are not present. The absence of judicial oversight and the exclusion of suspects and their lawyers from participation in the process permits prosecutors to rig the outcome.

      https://frederickleatherman.com/2013/04/27/probable-cause-in-arrests-initial-appearances-informations-and-grand-jury-indictments/

      And, the prosecutor has invited the officer to tell his side. So, she would (potentially) corroborate whatever he said, giving the grand jury an excuse to no bill, and the prosecutor an excuse to not prosecute, and never go to trial.

      Perhaps the Prof might touch on the implications of what it means when a prosecutor actually invites a potential defendant to speak to the grand jury? Isn’t that usually the opposite of what a prosecutor, who really intends to prosecute, does?

      • I believe the outcome of the grand jury will be rigged to issue a no-bill because the district attorney appears to be a racist and pro-police.

        U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder is scheduled to be in Ferguson today. I think he needs to assert federal jurisdiction over the case and kick the Ferguson PD and St.Louis County District Attorney’s Office off the case.

      • Perhaps the Prof might touch on the implications of what it means when a prosecutor actually invites a potential defendant to speak to the grand jury? Isn’t that usually the opposite of what a prosecutor, who really intends to prosecute, does?

        Use of the word “invite” instead of “subpoena” suggests informality, as if to reassure the officer that he will be among friends.

        They are not treating him like he is a target of the investigation. They aren’t even treating him like he is a suspect.

        This is bullshit and they need to be called out on it.

        • Two sides to a story says:

          Indeed.

          Though Orange County, Cali put Kelly Thoma’s killers (cops) through a trial, they only did so after dogged determinination by the community to get the cops arrested and tried. You can see how that turned out. Prosecutors don’t want to convict cops because it shines a light on the entire corrupt judicial system that supports police brutality.

    • Bill Taylor says:

      that alone shows the officers story is total BS and the physical factual science confirms that common sense reality.

  38. Malisha says:

    The “white liberal” version I heard about the Trayvon Martin case was: “That was a tragedy but nobody could tell what really happened; it was just a wannabe cop and a wannabe thug and it ended up the perfect storm, but then Sharpton got into it and made a federal case.”

    Such an idea is stupid, but it really let me understand why our country is in the situation we’re in: mental laziness, emotional cowardice. We are Rome. I’ll be gone before we fall.

    • PhillyBoyRoy says:

      That’s nearly word-for-word exactly what I heard, in addition to the false bravado of “I would have done the same thing to protect my family”.

      • Malisha says:

        Now I have heard from “normal” whites that: (a) we don’t know what happened; (b) police HAVE TO protect all those businesses from the MANY criminals who are using this as an excuse to loot and steal and burn; (c) the fact that no police report was filed by the shooter is just a “technicality”; (d) blah; (e) blah; (f) blah…

  39. PhillyBoyRoy says:

    Anyone who believes the “bum rush” idiocy is racist or has immediate reason to lie (they work for FPD or know Darren “Racist Killer” Wilson.

    It’s like the Trayvon doubling back / “homie” / concrete argument, which sadly many “center-left” racist “liberals” bought into quite willingly. Even in my own conversations last year with young white professional males – who by and large (90% I would guess) were friends of mine and identify as “liberal” – I would say that about half agreed that it was self defense or that they’d do the same thing if they had to “defend their home” or family or other nonsense.

    If you think that high school kids are in the habit of attacking gun-wielding psychos, then you’ve been watching too many Schwarzenegger movies.

    • Disappointed says:

      I still think a bullet hit him or came real damn close when he was running away. At that point I believe he decided to give up not realizing giving up meant giving up his life.

      • PhillyBoyRoy says:

        I think in some ways it’s similar – though far more brutal and actually even more cut and dry – to Trayvon’s death in that Darren “Kid Killer” Wilson knew he had to silence his victim so the truth would not come out. So rather than facing the music that he was excessive and violated protocol by going after these jaywalking teens, he decided there would have to be no music to face and he executed Brown to silence him.

        • Nef05 says:

          I agree. The way Wilson paced around MB’s body is remarkably similar to Zimmerman did the same, based on the witnesses. Were their minds running a million miles an hour, along similar lines, how to craft their story to fit as closely as possible to the physical evidence, at least enough to create self defense/reasonable doubt? I think so.

  40. Bill Taylor says:

    i thank llmpapa for that, but must say the moment i heard that 35 feet bumrush story i pointed out it is NOT possible based on the physical evidence…….that story is one the police coordinated, they knew that 35 feet distance but lacking intelligence they didnt think their story through…… and i know it was planned and talked about because all of them repeating the story used the same 35 feet number…….independent estimates of distance would vary a small bit…..coordinated effort would have the same number.

    • Yes, Bill Taylor, You don’t win, when you play dirty.

    • Nef05 says:

      I posted previously I didn’t think FPD were all that bright, based on them setting a foundation for “aggravating circumstances” under the statute, should this (remotely) possibly become a murder one-death penalty case. I’m revising that.

      I think they just don’t care. I believe they’re (with the approval of the DA) following the Sanford PD/O’Mara playbook, attempting to poison they jury pool with anything predisposed jurors can use to justify to themselves and their friends, as to why they don’t indict/convict. It doesn’t have to make sense because, well… black. Unfortunately, we can show all the holes in their story wide enough to drive a truck through, but if the DA doesn’t show those holes to the jury, it doesn’t mean anything.

      This is JMO, but I believe this prosecutor will be every bit as complicit as Corey. Based on the lack of confidence from the community drawn from experience, the elected officials calling for him to step down, the standing relationship between any prosecutor and law enforcement he must work with and the fact that his father was a cop killed by a black man – I’d be flabbergasted if his office gave this case any more than basic lip service. How I WISH this was a case being tried by a Kym Worthy “don’t care who you are”- type prosecutor.

      Also,remember, the jury pool is not drawn from Ferguson (67% black), it’s drawn from the county (70% white). So there’s that.

  41. PhillyBoyRoy says:

    My first thought was “I could probably get someone to lie to save my ass if I killed someone”.

  42. girlp says:

    My first thought was he would have to be running in place

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