Eyewitness to #MikeBrown shooting in #Ferguson describes what she saw

Tuesday, August 19, 2014

Good morning:

Piaget Crenshaw witnessed the encounter between Officer Darren Wilson and Mike Brown. After the shooting, she took about 30 seconds to retrieve her phone from her apartment and began recording the scene. You can see Brown’s body laying in the street. Wilson and another police officer are standing in the street a few feet beyond it. He is on the right, apparently upset and gesturing with his hands as he talks to the other officer.

She described what she witnessed as follows.

Wilson appeared to be attempting to pull Brown into his vehicle, but Brown eluded his grasp and started running away.

Wilson got out of his vehicle and ran after him firing his gun several times.

She is aware of Dr. Baden’s autopsy report because she mentions it and says Brown stopped and turned around after one of the bullets grazed his arm.

Wilson unleashed a volley of shots and Brown fell to the ground.

She does not mention him moving toward Wilson or raising his hands.

She also does not mention Dorian Johnson. She might not have seen him because he said he hid behind a parked car.

She does say multiple times that what she witnessed was “not right” because Brown was unarmed.

109 Responses to Eyewitness to #MikeBrown shooting in #Ferguson describes what she saw

  1. MKX says:

    You present arguments clearly with respect to graphics and testimony that are well in context. In fact, it was one of your diagrams that drew me to this site when I was appalled that no one had done a diagram to show the geometrical stupidity of Zimmerman’s tale that he shot Trayvon while both of Trayvons hands were pressed on his face or slamming his head or MMA striking. So I started a google search.

    This diagram is damning to any person who is truly objective. It fits the testimony to a T while lining up all the holes and does not require any kind of tortuous 1/million probability “well the hand/arm could have during a bull rush” logic that would make the story floated by the officer’s defenders reasonable.

    • Malisha says:

      Right Right Right.

      That is why I concluded the prosecution was working for the defense team when Fogen’s trial occurred: they did not get an exercise physiologist up on the stand to explain the impossibility of ALL arguments about the “self-defense” theory. Fogen could not have had his head slammed; Fogen could not have reached his gun; Fogen could not have shot Trayvon Martin in the heart; None of that could have happened. SIMPLE PHYSICS. Size of body, size of head, length of the bones of the arm, upper arm, lower arm, holster, gun, angles, NONE OF IT WAS POSSIBLE.

      Only if the prosecution works for the defense are these things possible. In the physical reality world, they are not possible.

      But then again, race has nothing to do with it. (In the physical reality world, maybe …)

      • Sophia33 says:

        There are so many thinks that the defense team didn’t do. We could write a book on that. I heard Lisa Bloom did in fact write a book that covered that.

      • MKX says:

        LLMPapa’s diagrams and videos proved beyond a reasonable doubt that any of Zimmerman’s tall tales were false.

        Why was nothing like that presented by the prosecution, unless they were in on the fix?

        And the judge was pushed around by the defense, unlike in the Wafer trial.

        She let that lame cardboard two dimensional clown show go on which falsely makes Trayvon look larger than Zimmerman, although it is well known that a 207 pound mass occupies more space, and is larger than a 150 pound mass.

        And the right wing meme that posted a picture of a shirtless and somewhat lean Trayvon in a “thug” pose.

        How lame.

        All I saw in that “scary” picture was a boy with very little muscle mass and no evidence of any weight training.

        The gym joke is that they look big till they turn sideways and turn to paper.

        At 17, many males have not had their testosterone kick in, so they often do not fill out till their 20s.

        We have a kid who was like that going with his father. No amount of weight training made him big. Now that he is in his 20s, he is noticeably strong.

        The pig, on the other hand, looked like he could pull {gym term for deadlift} a decent load.

        Hell, my former boss had that soft (due to high body fat) appearance and could deadlift 550 pounds and close a #3 gripper. Oh, and he was not a good puncher. But, I would lose any struggle with him if I wore some clothing that can be grabbed like a hoodie.

        The BS was stacked so high in that whole fiasco.

        • Bill Taylor says:

          the prosecution had some very skilled lawyers that were tasked by the government of putting on a trial BUT avoiding at conviction anyway they could,,..BECAUSE to put on a proper prosecution REQUIRED them to expose the public corruption of the local police, the county government and the state government…..as to size and age i was a world class athlete in my youth and weighed 165 lbs. at age 17 on a very large frame…….my adult weight after filling out was 215 pounds of muscle with very little fat, about the same fat content as when i weighed 165.

          • MKX says:

            From the pictures of his father and brother, it might have been in the cards for Trayvon to fill out past 200 pounds while looking svelte, if that asshole had not cut his life short. And he seemed like a potential winner for a lucky young lady. I mean it takes a decent man to be friends with Racheal, given the shit boys are subject to about the girls they hang with. In sharp contrast to that useless less-than-man whose only function in life seems to be to sponge off of any women he can abuse.

    • Sophia33 says:

      Missed you LLMPapa! Many thanks!

    • Sophia33 says:

      Now imagine the diagram with the arms not only up, but bent or slightly bent at the elbows as the witnesses showed. You can see a clear cluster of shots.

      • Nef05 says:

        I can see that, Sophia. If you bend the elbow and put the palms at eye height, or even at shoulder height, the cluster tightens up. It puts the deep graze on the palm next to the eye entry, and the entry in the forearm at the same level as graze in the upper arm (below the bicep) and next to the (re)entry in the pectoral.

    • Nef05 says:

      LLMPapa! Missed your vids. Always on point!

    • Malisha says:

      Once again, Papa gets right to the heart of the matter. Thanks, Papa, I needed that!

      • Disappointed says:

        I think someone here posted a picture and the caption read I’m sure Mike Brown was a innocent young man. The Kansas City police officer who posted the pic is in hot water. The picture was not of Mike Brown. People wonder why some people don’t trust law enforcement.

    • MKX says:

      Game set and match!

      And now for overtime.

      Thirty five feet is approximately 12 yards. A raging young man “bull rushing” should be able to cover that span in about 1.5 seconds. and ram into the car. So this lady would have us believe that Brown was bull rushing during the time it takes to get off six shots an end up covering no distance at all in the direction back to the car.

      See, this is how lies made up out of whole cloth that try to “fit” known evidence are exposed.

      Zimmerman did this early and often, yet the right wing {they are expected to lie} and the chicken shit white so-called middle gave him a free pass.

      A true observation will hold well to evidence. And, so far, the witnesses who have came out for Brown are standing firm.

      • Malisha says:

        I once remember a custody case where the judge put the child into the custody of someone who had already been rejected by the experts HE HIRED to get him custody. The judge made no findings and in fact said, as an introduction to making his decision, that he “might be making a heck of a mistake.” So we questioned what he had done. Guess what all the lawyers we spoke with said: “He had to have done that in the best interests of the child.” We pointed out that all the evidence showed that the best interests of the child would be best served by NOT being in that custody and the lawyers’ answers were:

        SINCE the judge has to put the child into the custody that serves his best interests,

        and

        SINCE the judge put the child into that person’s custody, and

        SINCE he must have considered the best interests first,

        THEN

        OBVIOUSLY the custody order was made in the best interests of the child! Q.E.D.

        When we pointed out that it was circular reasoning, we were told that we didn’t undersatnd the law.

        NOW, look at what we have. A cop shot an unarmed Black teen-ager to death. The only reason to shoot an unarmed Black teen-ager to death is if he is threatening the life or bodily safety of the cop. THerefore the deceased was threatening the life or bodily safety of the cop. Q.E.D.

        Anybody have any questions about that? I’m sure Hannity will be able to answer them. Sadly, Holder won’t.

        • MKX says:

          Authoritarian cultures and those that buy into it put blind faith in a title that makes one’s opinions, sans facts, better than a mere laymen or other party with a title deemed lesser than the one making the opinion.

          You can see that in play at Daily Kos.

          There is a cop defender over there who lords his/her title as lawyer over others to make statements of legal fact that more often and not misrepresent actual facts.

          In patent law, we call that posting text of a document out of context.

          So the professional response is to politely say:

          “well, although line X states Y, it is also noted that line A states B, thus contradicting or weakening the argument put forth”

          With the cop defender, a polite response like that draw a “well’ I am a lawyer and you are not” – which does not mean shit with respect to finding facts.

          And this person has a retinue of sycophants who come to his/her defense.

          His/her last egregious argument was that the autopsy that show no conclusive back wound gave lie to the testimony of the eye witness who was with Brown. He/she falsely reported without a link – something a really top rate lawyer would never do without a cite or link – that this witness stated that he saw Brown hit in the back with a shot wherein, in actuality, he stated he saw Brown flinch in response to a shot and assumed, as many would, that Brown was hit.

          The reason I bring this up here is that there are web sites that we assume are decent that plant trolls to poison the well.

          So care must be taken when one who is assumed to be a professional is not citing text or posting graphics in context to bolster an argument.

          And that is how the authoritarians play the game.

          One of the great things about the Age of the Enlightenment was that mere un-titled, but educated, men were able to challenge the nobility and clergy with facts. Or as Paine wrote – my mind is my church.

        • MKX says:

          One more comment about authoritarian cultures. Your rank is a measure of your truth. So in authoritarian white USA, white is more truthful than black, regardless of facts.

  2. J4TMinATL says:

    Sorry if this a repeat. Did anyone see this?

    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5682454

    Wow. Just wow.

  3. Sophia33 says:

    Since when do you need to “keep moving” when you are protesting? What is this the Bhutan death march?

    • Malisha says:

      I have led literally hundreds of demonstrations. You ONLY need to “keep moving” when you’re in front of the White House. Even there, they don’t really enforce it. And you only have to move back and forth so tourists can see and so forth, you don’t have to really move. 20 feet farther out you can stand still with signs and etc. Even at Arlington Cemetery on Memorial day you do NOT need to keep moving. MOST demonstrations bring a battery-operated bullhorn and someone speaks and nobody moves.

  4. YQ says:

    Heard somewhere that MB hit the cop and broken his eye socket, but the cop in the video looks fine. Is there anything out on Wilson? Proof of injury?

  5. Malisha says:

    Look, Frances Robles reporting:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/us/ferguson-missouri-protests.html?_r=0

    To me this means there will be lots of lies promulgated and then repeated a thousand or more times. SHE IS THE ONE who first reported the dishonest story in the Trayvon Martin debacle. SHE said the RTL was a high-crime neighborhood with “one other shooting in the year before” Fogen killed Trayvon Martin. When I filed a FOIA and proved that was a lie, she refused to retract. It had been spread all over the web and believed everywhere and it was a bald-faced lie. It is a shame that she not only got away with the lie but that she is now in at ground level lying about Michael Brown’s death too. Shame shame shame shame shame shame shame shame shame. Her name should be dirt and here she is in a position to DO DIRT all over again.

  6. Bill Taylor says:

    on the discussion of is it ok for the police to place snipers and have them take aim at citizens…..basic gun ownership and usage DONT POINT your weapon at anything you do NOT have reason to and plan to SHOOT…..it is a defensive weapon, not some toy you go around pointing at people.

  7. Nef05 says:

    The author of the article seems to extrapolate, or perhaps split hairs, or maybe he just knows something I can’t find (such as the complete text or video of the store owner’s statement, as stated by their attorney). I’m not familiar with this webpage, so I can’t say if it’s the “liberal” equivalent to the CTH or not. Perhaps someone here is familiar with it?

    FWIW, the author states that the store owners never identified or believed Mike Brown was the person in the video, that the identification was solely made by FPD.

    Again, the owner clarifies that neither the management, nor any employee ever identified Brown as the suspect in that video.

    They simply never said they believed that, this was a claim made by the police alone. So the real question is why the media has been taking the word of the police on this matter, even over the word of the eye witnesses and the store owner?

    http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/08/ferguson-store-owner-says-he-doesnt-believe-thats-mike-brown-on-surveillance-video/

    • J4TMinATL says:

      His mother did acknowledge it was MB in video. His clothing matches too.

      • Nef05 says:

        Okay, so the store owner is trying to stay out of the middle, save his business, and not antagonize his customer base. That makes sense. Since he’s been in that area for a while, he may have a genuine affinity for his regular customers. When I was younger and fell on some hard times, it was my local convenience store owner, who had been in our neighborhood since my childhood, who let me buy on small necessities on credit until I got back on my feet. A lot of times they are very connected to the neighborhood.

  8. Bill Taylor says:

    on the concept of being “under fire” it appears the position of the police are IF a gunshot can be HEARD that means somebody is shooting at us…..there were a couple of shots fired last night maybe more but there were also 2 civilian victims meaning they took the fire NOT the police, we live in a very rural area and hear gunshots daily, but i have never considered that being “under fire”………

    • MKX says:

      We used to hear remote reports from guns all the time at night in Detroit. Under fire is when you hear a round whizz by or strike something. In fact, one will be struck by a round before they ever hear the report of the gun. To say that they are under fire due to hearing shots is akin to hearing thunder and stating you are being struck by lightning.

  9. Two sides to a story says:

    Great photo –

    • Malisha says:

      I cannot understand that photo.
      Who’s in the car?

      BTW, WHERE in the car was Wilson when all this happened? Passenger side of the squad car? Back of the squad car? I can’t picture it

  10. lady2soothe says:

    Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame Shooting Victim Blows Up In Their Face (VIDEO)

  11. bettykath says:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/

    BREAKING REPORT: Officer Darren Wilson Suffered “Orbital Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket” During Mike Brown Attack
    Posted by Jim Hoft on Tuesday, August 19, 2014, 10:00 AM

    The Gateway Pundit can now confirm from two local St. Louis sources that police Officer Darren Wilson suffered facial fractures during his confrontation with deceased 18 year-old Michael Brown. Officer Wilson clearly feared for his life during the incident that led to the shooting death of Brown. This was after Michael Brown and his accomplice Dorian Johnson robbed a local Ferguson convenience store.

    [stills from the store]

    Local St. Louis sources said Wilson suffered an “orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket.” This comes from a source within the Prosecuting Attorney’s office and confirmed by the St. Louis County Police.

    cranial
    (File Image)

    A blowout fracture is a fracture of one or more of the bones surrounding the eye and is commonly referred to as an orbital floor fracture.

    This comes after St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporter tweeted out last night that a dozen local witnesses confirmed Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson’s version of the Brown shooting story.

    Officer Darren Wilson left the state of Missouri last week.

    More… The St. Louis County Police told reporters after the shooting that the police officer involved suffered facial injuries. He “was hit” and the “side of his face was swollen.”

    • Two sides to a story says:

      Shades of Zimmerman. Likely some tiny closed fracture that they’re going to turn into a “almost wore diapers” injury. And who knows, with all the flailing around the cop did, he may have injured himself or gotten injured when MB pulled away from him. Cops get injured attacking people all the time and then charge the people they attack with assualt on an officer.

      • Bill Taylor says:

        the police in that very town falsely arrested a fellow with the very similar name to one that had warrants, he told police you got the wrong guy and they beat him up very badly and had nothing to charge him with once they saw the middle names were DIFFERENT so they charged him with “destruction of property” to wit he BLED on their uniforms!

      • MKX says:

        The X ray is a closed or minor fracture that is not nearly as clean or “blown out” as the examples shown in Medline or Wikipedia.

        The Zimmerman treatment it is. Focus on words such as fracture and “blow out” that frighten laymen, but can mean a whole lot of nothing to experts.

        In fact, the X-ray is more aptly a buckle of the floor in that the bones do not have appear to have allow any venting of material into the sinus cavity.

        • I did not see any sign of any injury to Wilson as he was pacing around at the crime scene.

          His “injury” didn’t affect his aim and he did not inform dispatch that he had been assaulted or request medical assistance.

          Therefore, I’m calling bullshit.

          • bettykath says:

            This incident is a bit old. Young man is now out of jail now that statute of limitations has run out.

        • bettykath says:

          Notice that the x-ray photo is a file photo. It is not an x-ray of the cop. Even so, with Mike running away, the cop should no longer be in fear for his life or bodily harm.

    • Bill Taylor says:

      clue for folks with SENSE = there is a law called hipa…spelled wrong i am sure, medical information is CONFIDENTIAL and cant be released to anyone by any medical folks without the consent of the patient………that tweet is 100% nonsense and had he suffered such an injury it would be plainly visible on the video of him walking around……..and the police would have plastered pictures of such damage all over the internet.

    • Sophia33 says:

      then why was he walking around normally in the video shot immediately after the shooting?

      • MKX says:

        An orbital blow out fracture, like a broken nose, has degrees of severity. The X-ray does not show a very severe fracture and, as such, it could have just been a big ouch with the officer going on with what he was up to.

        It can be caused by a blow from any type of blunt object and, a such, the car door or a fist could have caused it.

        Boxers get these all the time and keep on fighting. The injury is not life threatening. The orbital floor is very weak and the ocular pressure of a well placed, by chance, blow will break it.

        Sadly, if this is true, the officer has his red badge of courage, just like Zimmerman, to justify killing Brown in the eyes of all too many Americans.

        • MKX says:

          One more kind of off topic comment. Nature looks out for us. The ocular pressure being able to blow out the floor means that a blow out does not go into the brain cavity, which would cause death from a black eye punch.

          If the officer had a severe blow, then I would expect pictures with massive bruising of his eye socket to be published. That is the best way to assess the severity of an injury – clean it up and wait for the swelling and bruising to develop.

          Naturally, that was not done with pitifully minor wounds suffered by Zimmerman. And will be cause for suspicion on our part, if none are posted of the officer.

        • Sophia33 says:

          I understand that. Yes, but they said that he had a bruise. Didn’t it hurt? Why wasn’t he touching his face in the video immediately after?

    • girlp says:

      An extreme right wing website

    • Nef05 says:

      They don’t even say which eye. I’ll wait until I see a hospital report/photos. Even then, if they can use “shades of Zimmerman”, so can I –

      RECOIL! He got that mini-booboo when his gun recoiled in his face as he tried to shoot MB from inside the SUV.

    • Malisha says:

      Oh yeah, like that lawyer who kept talking about Fogen’s broken nose while Fogen was in hiding before the charges were released by Corey (when he was in the building to convince her to not bring charges). LIARS LIARS LIARS. If he was treated in the hospital, there should have been documentation. Remember all the “broken nose” crap and not a single X-ray?

  12. Two sides to a story says:

    I have a hidden post above – sorry, these twitter pix often have multiple links.

  13. Two sides to a story says:

    Hurry up, Feds! In the meantime, watch white America play police apologist bingo:

  14. girlp says:

    Dorian Johnson was not charged the Cheif of police said he committed no crime.
    http://www.ktxs.com/news/national/urgent-missouri-dorian-johnson-no-robbery-charges/27509554

  15. PhillyBoyRoy says:

    Also, again, not that it matters and I wish we did not have to debate this with mouth-breathing right-wingers on TV news, but that did not appear to be a robbery as I would describe one.

    Did Dorian Johnson say they “robbed” the store, or just admit to being in the store and having an altercation?

    • Malisha says:

      It’s like one of those thematic apperception pictures the forensic psychologists use to see how people interpret what they see. You see a grainy video of a guy in a store with an owner and some cigars. Narration: EITHER:

      1. A guy with a red hat buys some cigars. He has to call the owner several times to pay. He pays with a $50 bill. The owner gives him back a five a some change. The guy in the hat leaves, but immediately the owner realizes he gave the guy too much change. He exits and runs around after the customer, saying, “give me back that five.” The guy doesn’t speak. The owner grabs him disrespectfully. The guy shoves him and leaves.

      2. A guy with a red hat buys some cigars. He gives the owner two twenties and heads out of the store. The owner comes around the counter saying, “You still owe me more,” but the guy says, “you short-changed me last week for ten dollars.” The owner protests, “No I didn’t; you give me my money!” and lays hands on the guy. The guy pushes him and leaves.

      or any number of other interpretations, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9…

      281. A guy with a red hat does something. Somebody else does something else. Then the guy with the red hat gets killed.

      • MKX says:

        I worked in a liquor store for seven years and, if you got the change wrong in favor of the customer, the rule on the street was tough shit for you. Some clerks who are not familiar with the street rule will try to get it back and me, being a nice guy and having been in their shoes, will kindly acquiesce. However, most customers will tell the clerk to piss off.

        Conversely, if you short change the customer, by mistake, you are expected to make things right. If it is a con, then the store will eat the loss and ban the customer.

        It was a tough business that gave me a lot of insights into what really goes down in the ‘hood.

        So you scenarios are all possible base on that video.

        And if Brown was boosting goods, then the clerk would likely call the store owner who would deal with the issue at a later time.

        Owners often do not use the police. They may have established contacts within the community.

  16. Michelleo says:

    My friends, I don’t think that I can do this anymore. We all know that the fix is in. I will support this family through funding…..but I just can’t. The injustice of it all is coming, and once again, I will not know what to do with my sadness.

  17. MKX says:

    And where is the outrage that this cop let bullets fly in a street that had a lot of innocent bystanders who could have caught a stray round?

    Oh, that’s right, they are black.

    • Annie Cabani says:

      Not to mention all those people stuck in the traffic that those young men were blocking by not getting the f*** on the sidewalk!

      They were all in the direct line of any police fire that missed Mr. Brown.

  18. PhillyBoyRoy says:

    Also, check out how bloody and beaten Darren Wilson is in the cell phone footage from Piaget Crenshaw.

    He actually looks even less injured than Zimmerman – who looked fine, as we know – did, and Zimmerman the chickenturd only fired one fearful, excessively brutal execution shot, not six.

    Wilson is going to be a right-wing folk hero.

  19. Nef05 says:

    Not to hijack the thread, but I just came across some new (to me) info. Video shows it’s probable Mike Brown paid for his cigars.

    Video below, full article in reply.

  20. Nef05 says:

    Tiffany Mitchell’s interview on The Last Word is corroborates this account. She is also the one who states she definitively saw MB’s hands outside the vehicle, pushing away from the cop, when the shot was fired.

  21. MKX says:

    Running away after a tussle in the car and turning around to surrender in response to bullets that have missed close or grazed is the most logical explanation for the position of the body with respect to the car.

    Claiming that a person running would decide to make a charge after bullets have either passed real close of grazed make no sense at all.

    So I am very inclined to believe this women and the other eye witness.

    Sadly, the farcical Zimmermanesque “you got a problem with me homie?” BS is being planted in the news media by reports that Brown “Bum Rushed” the officer.

    The objective of us must ask these simple questions.

    What would you do if you got in a tussle with a police officer and he drew his gun in anger and appeared to start shooting?

    What would you do if it appeared that he had a bead on you with his fire and there was no cover in sight?

    For me, the answers are:

    Run like Hell

    Give up and hope I don’t die

    Conversely, if I wanted to beat the cop and was in a struggle wherein I had a definite size advantage, I would never run and give the smaller man a clear field of fire.

    IOW, the meme being floated in the media by the police makes no sense at all.

    In a combat situation a man who runs has broken due to fear and will not regain his composure while under fire. They have to find cover.

    The right wing wants us to believe that Brown got scared, ran, got grazed or near missed, and regained composure while in an open field of fire to rush back at the cop.

    To quote Sargent Hartmann:

    “I did not know they stacked shit that high?”

    As with the “not being shot in the back” proving the eye witness who saw a flinch in response to a shot and thought that was a hit was a liar, the police wing will find witnesses who “interpreted” turning around as a charge.

    I feel bad because this is George Zimmerman all over again.

    • Nef05 says:

      IOW, the meme being floated in the media by the police makes no sense at all.

      Of course it does, because, you know…black.

      Consider what they’ve done. They’ve “thuggified” him – the new n-word. Because, you know…black

      They’ve dehumanized him – they’re no longer calling it “bum rushed”, they gone full out into “bull rushed”. So now he’s an animal without even survival instincts, and of course that explains why he expected to be able to run 35ft, with his head down, cause, you know…black.

      Of course a turn with hands up in surrender is an aggressive charge, cause, you know…black.

      “None of it makes any sense” – nope, but it doesn’t have to, cause, you know…black.

      In other news, LAPD shot down a Tosh 2.0 asst. producer last night, as he and another victim tried to escape from a knife-wielding lunatic who held three people hostage. LAPD has issued a statement that he was shot “by accident” 4 times, and died. He’s white, by the way. No need to thuggify him and dig up dirt, of course. The other victim was shot once and survived. The knife-wielder is charged with his original crimes, as well as murder and attempted murder. No charges seem to be forthcoming to the trigger happy police. Just a simple Oops, my bad – nothing to see here. I’m so disgusted!!!

      • PhillyBoyRoy says:

        Has to be “bull rushed” now to explain the head-down stance.

        Ah but what explains the execution style final shots to the eye and top of head?

        Well, everyone knows that one of the most life-threatening situations of all is a bum-rushing black who has been shot five times and is also slumped over.

        Gotta defend yourself.

        • Bill Taylor says:

          TY, a 100% valid point just emerged……..IF he was in a head way down stance and charging the first shots would NOT have hit his arm where they did, ALL of the shots would have that same top towards DOWN trajectory, the upper arm shot would have hit the SHOULDER first on top heading down, in the bull rushing posture the arm shots couldnt happen…..again TY for making me think more.

          • PhillyBoyRoy says:

            That’s true – of course – but why are we even debating this?

            Who in the world bum-rushes with their head down like that anyway?

            Oh, ok he was he trying to deflect the bullets with his skull and not catch a stray one in his eye!

            I get it now!

            This whole thing stinks. I hate this. If you watch news TV for even one minute, something dumb is said about Brown/Ferguson.

          • MKX says:

            A guy “bull rushing” a target would be “square up” to the shooter.

            The shots are all on the right side as if Brown had put up his hand, started a turn clockwise, and was subject to a hail of fire as he turned.

      • MKX says:

        To both of you.

        As a white man, I would like to be able to tell you that “we” don’t think like that, but that would be a lie.

        • Bill Taylor says:

          the guy dunking the ball in my avatar is ME, showing indeed some white boys CAN jump.

          • MKX says:

            I pissed of a bunch racists who buy into “those people” have a jumping gene by pointing out that the 2012 Olympic gold medals for the high jump, long jump and triple jump were held by people with a marked deficiency in melanin content.

            And there was a study done in sports science that determined the best “jumpers” in the world are Olympic weightlifters.

            And the best jumper in my gym is a white guy who had a sports scholarship to college for golf – now that one is the mother of busting stereotypes.

          • Bill Taylor says:

            i went to college on both golf and basketball scholarships, also played one baseball game for them when some players were injured and had a consistent 44 inch vertical leap, i could put a palm print over the top of the square behind the rim….and could rebound with both hands and the rebounder machine set at 11 feet 2 inches.

    • YQ says:

      The thing that gets me about the doubling-back issue is that if he got shot from 2 to anywhere up to 35ft (and not to mention that the body was stopped by the final shot) he would have had to run further than that calculated distance in order to turn back around and charge the officer, in order for the officer himself to register in his brain that MB was indeed charging back. One can argue that maybe that was Wilson’s perception…. Cops.

    • racerrodig says:

      “I feel bad because this is George Zimmerman all over again.”

      FogenPhoole thought he deserved a badge, this clown had a badge and the Ferguson Police Dept. will bend all effort to make it look just like Fogen’s tall tale.

      You know, the old “I was so scared that I’d die at the hands of a pot smoking, violent, super bad black teen……..who wasn’t armed….or actually a legitimate suspect……who was just walking along….who just went to a convenience store. Hey, I was in total fear”

      As if that shit is actually “Reasonable”

  22. Bill Taylor says:

    somebody needs to explain the law to mark omeara…..he just said it depends on the perception of the officer which is INcorrect….it depends on the perception of a REASONABLE person…….the shooter will ALWAYS say his perception was my life is in danger so i shot…..but the LEGAL question is was that perception REASONABLE..

    • MKX says:

      I would love to be locked in a cell with O’ Meara.

      [Mod noted: imagined violent retribution is not appropriate]

      I can’t stand the sight of that weasel.

        • bettykath says:

          there’s nothing wrong with imagining violent retribution, just don’t act it out 🙂 I’ve done some imagining myself and if I had followed through, I would have been locked up. it was a relief though when i no longer needed the violent imaginings.

    • You are correct and he knows better, even though he kept saying the same thing publicly and flashing that distorted cell phone photo week after week and month after month for over a year.

      • Bill Taylor says:

        with him being an officer of the court doesnt he have a legal obligation to state the law correctly? could his distortion fall into the area of obstruction of justice via tampering with the jury pool by providing them with a FALSE ;legal opinion?

        • IMO, he violated the rules of professional conduct by trying his case in the court of public opinion. The rules prohibit that even if the lawyer is telling the truth.

          He aggravated that violation by misstating the facts and the law.

          Before trial the prosecution asked the court three times to issue a gag order but the requests were denied.

          I think he is sleazy and I have no respect for him.

          • Bill Taylor says:

            the thing i dont understand is so called experts talking on tv say some incredibly false and often DUMB things yet are taken seriously by most folks…….dr, baden claiming marijuana can make a person go all crazy and hyper and acting strange is 100% without medical science support……yet he claims it and folks accept it as truth.

      • bettykath says:

        But no one objected. Same reaction to his questions that should not have been asked. No objections. I always want a shower after thinking about the lawyers involved in that case.

    • JJ says:

      As I wrote at the end of yesterday’s topic, My present theory is that: he was facing away from the cop when the first shot(s) were fired. MB turned around and placed his hands in surrender position – with forearms at the level of MB’s head. More shots were fired hitting his arm. He dropped to his knees (explains the downward angle of the shot near the eye).
      The next shot hit MB near his eye. The most logical next step would be for MB to put his hands to his face.
      I tried this sequence, when I put my hands to my face, my body was in praying-like position with top of head towards the officer – when the fatal shot was fired. This scenario would explain the downward trajectory for the last two shots.
      However this scenario does not explain why MB’s arms were straight down and slightly away from the his side when he was face-down on the pavement. The picture is blurry, but I believe his arms were in anatomical position with hands relaxed.

      • MKX says:

        I have seen a person die as I was talking to them.

        The arms flay out to their sides and they pitch face down to whatever surface they fall. I would assume the last shot did that to Brown.

        So I feel your scenario is very plausible.

        • JJ says:

          Scenario needs a correction. The fed autopsy said the fatal shot entered through the top of the head and exited through his right eye. So MB didn’t cover his face in reaction to shot to his eye area.

          http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/17/justice-department-autopsy-brown-ferguson/14196559/

          • Brown could have survived all of his wounds except for the shot to the top of his head, Baden said. That shot was probably sustained last, hitting Brown as he was bending over, and exited through his right eye, he said.

            Part of this statement in the USA Today article, to which you linked, is not correct. Dr. Baden said the bullet entered the top of the head and proceeded downward moving slightly toward the right and slightly toward the front. The bullet was recovered from the brain.

            According to Professor Parcells, the bullet that entered the forehead above the right eyebrow proceeded downward destroying the right eye and emerged slightly below the eye. It reentered and continued downward exiting at the jawline and reentered the right shoulder near the collarbone.

            Dr. Baden and Professor Parcells were retained by attorney Benjamin Crump on behalf of Mike Brown’s family to perform an independent autopsy.

            Both agreed to waive their usual fees.

            U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder is arranging for a third autopsy.

          • Annie Cabani says:

            Also, be careful in citing “autopsy” information. Nothing from the “fed autopsy” has been divulged or is likely to be divulged any time very soon. What you’re referring to are preliminary results (arguably an oxymoron) of a private autopsy being performed by a pathologist hired by Mike Brown’s family.

  23. J4TMinATL says:

    This is witness I talked about yesterday when answering a poster. Thanks for sharing. Her CNN interview should be online somewhere too.

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