Pistorius closing arguments

Thursday, August 7, 2014

Good morning:

I am watching Gerrie Nel’s closing argument via livestream here.

The livestream is no longer available. Youtube recordings are below.

Nel’s deconstruction of Pistorius’s testimony is thorough and devastating.

FYI: Judge Masipa recessed court until tomorrow morning at 9:30 am in the Pistorius case after hearing Gerrie Nel’s closing argument on behalf of the prosecution in the Oscar Pistorius trial. She also listened the first 30 minutes of Barry Roux’s closing argument before recessing for the day.

Session 1

Session 2

31 Responses to Pistorius closing arguments

  1. ay2z says:

    BTW, OP’s father showed up in court.

    Reeva’s father was able to attend, but he did not stay away for his own choice, he had serious health concerns brought on by the death of his daughter, but he was there with June today. “He’s a big softie”, said June. “When are you coming back, my darling…. when?”…. Reeva’s father said in a documentary, with his tearful eyes.

  2. ay2z says:

    This image came out before today and was banned from use by the ad agency that created it.

    But hey, no harm in sharing it now!

    OP’s (and Wafer and others) psych eval inkblot.

  3. FYI: Jury convicted Theodore Wafer of murder 2.

  4. Nel makes the transferred intent argument that even if OP believed there was an intruder in the toilet cubicle and there actually was an intruder, he would be guilty of second degree murder for shooting and killing the intruder under these facts for the simple reason that the person in the cubicle made no effort to leave the cubicle and OP was not in any actual danger.

    His intent to kill a human being in the cubicle is what matters and that intent transfers to the whomever is in the cubicle, whether it was an intruder or Reeva Steenkamp.

  5. Pdeadder says:

    I don’t understand,he kept shouting for them to get the f out of his house then in his version when he suspects the door to be opening he starts shooting.
    How in hell were they going to get out of the house.
    He’s so full of shit his eyes are brown.
    Just wondering Professor if you think the defence did a good job?

  6. Her stomach contents irreconcilably conflict with OP’s testimony that they went to bed at 10 pm.

  7. The next door neighbor, Stip, saw the bathroom light on at OP’s house when the shots were fired.

  8. Two devastating points by Nel:

    (1) OP testified that he was certain that he warned Reeva about the intruder in a soft voice rather than a whisper because a whisper implies closeness and if he had been close enough to whisper to her, he would have noticed that she wasn’t there.

    (2) OP testified that he was certain that he fired 4 shots in quick succession and he could not have been certain about that if he had been acting in an automatic state in response to a startling sound.

    • Tee says:

      What I never understood was, as a Man wouldn’t he had made sure that she was out of harms way before he confronted an intruder? Are we to believe that if it happened the way he said he wouldn’t have awaken her & tried to get her out of there first. I hope he’s roasted!

      • ay2z says:

        As OP did himself, with his other two girlfriends. But it’s possible that he did warn Reeva, just not a warning about intruders. Could be the reason she was in fear.

    • Pdeadder says:

      OP testified he shot 4 shots in quick succession but originally didn’t Roux argue it was two double taps to Captain Mangena?
      Then when Mangena argued that if that was so all the injuries would be in the same place or something to that affect.
      Suddenly Pistorius says during tea break he corrected Mr Roux.
      Maybe I’m mistaken.

  9. Pdeadder says:

    Malisha yea really very shy intruder.This case fascinates me.
    His window downstairs was broken why would they put a ladder up especially when security goes by every hour.
    His story is just bullshit he murdered that poor woman.
    They had a argument,he ripped the duvet off the bed,tore off her jeans,she ran to the bathroom screaming.
    The witnesses heard the screams because the bathroom window was already open or she opened it to scream for help.
    My husband was angry one night because I was lying on the bed watching Dallas he tore the blanket off the bed and ripped off my jeans.
    Hot butter wouldn’t melt in his mouth when it was necessary.
    Unless the robbers in Pistorius’s house really wanted to steal some shit literally.
    If another murderer gets away with it I give up the ghost.
    Another thing the girl on the scene said he went upstairs to get Reeva’s purse for ID someone requested she heard his foot steps on the bathroom tiles and knew his gun was in the bathroom so was worried he would kill himself.
    God knows what he did.
    Sorry for the long post but I actually don’t talk much as a rule.

  10. bettykath says:

    OT but good news.

    City Withdraws Stop-and-Frisk Appeal; Plaintiffs Join Request
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    August 6, 2014, New York – Today, the City of New York and plaintiffs jointly filed a motion with the Second Circuit Court of Appeals to withdraw the City’s appeal of Floyd v. City of New York. Floyd is the landmark stop-and-frisk class action lawsuit, filed by the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) and co-counsel Beldock, Levine & Hoffman and Covington & Burling, that found the NYPD’s stop-and-frisk practices racially discriminatory and otherwise unconstitutional. The joint request follows a ruling last week by Judge Analisa Torres, rejecting attempts by several police unions to intervene in the case. Dismissal of the appeal is the last step before the joint reform process begins.

  11. Pdeadder says:

    One thing Nell said Pistorius changed his testimony from his bail application which said he went onto the balcony to get the fan,then in his 115 he said the fans were at the door.
    Mr.Nell seems to think he did this to create time but IMHO I think he changed it because he knew he would have to turn around and face the bed to bring then in and the balcony light was on the curtains were open he would have seen if Reeva was in the bed or not.

    • Malisha says:

      I agree with you. He had to make it seem possible that he forgot about his sweetheart being there in the bed, endangered by the terrifying stranger who had crawled in the window to take a dump in the athlete’s toilet — a stranger who, by the way, enters the toilet stall from the window and then locks the DOOR! (Very shy)

  12. Court is in recess until 9:30 am tomorrow morning.

  13. Apparently, South Africa has retained the outmoded rule that a guilty verdict can only be based on circumstantial evidence if every other explanation of the facts is disproven.

    Most jurisdictions in the US have eliminated that requirement.

    • Malisha says:

      If that is the requirement, then any of us can kill whomsoever we choose in South Africa just so long as there are no direct witnesses. I can ALWAYS think of an alternative to the real.

      In the Theodore Wafer case I thought of several. One, he was out drinking in the neighborhood and Renisha came in for a drink, he took her home and promised her she could sleep it off, then he socked her in the face and locked her out, she banged on his door and he opened up and shot her in the face.

      See, it can be done in both directions!

    • ay2z says:

      Nel seemed to be emphasizing the ‘mosaic’, all the evidence pieces taken together for the whole. I assume this was driving at the weight, or picture of the whole rather than using each individual circumstantial fact.

      Thanks for the new livestream site, Fred. Nice choice.

  14. Roux argues that the prosecution can’t have blood curdling petrifying screaming if they are having dinner downstairs.

    • Malisha says:

      Who’s having dinner downstairs? You CAN have dinner downstairs and then go upstairs to bed, have the woman refuse the man (whatever) and then a fight start up in 5 minutes and the woman run into the bathroom and lock herself in and get killed! That’s like saying Fogen couldn’t have stalked Trayvon Martin because he was headed back to his car.

      • ay2z says:

        Malisha, just more of OP’s Juve Talkin’, he was caught out well and good by Nel’s deliberate, purposeful cross all in prep for today’s long list of tailoring examples, for Judge Thokozile Masipa’s consideration. The cinch tightens.

  15. Roux is making the point that the cops inadvertently disturbed the location of evidence at the scene.

  16. Now, we have Barry Roux for the defense.

  17. Nel argues that OP went through a series of actions to arm himself and approached and killed her deliberately.

  18. Nel argues that OP fired while the toilet door was closed. OP was not threatened with any danger when the door was closed.

  19. Nel is discussing the doctrine of transferred intent. OP intended to kill the person in the toilet cubicle, regardless who it was. The crime is murder, even if he believed that an intruder was in the cubicle.

    This is an alternative theory because Nel’s primary argument is that he knew RS was in the cubicle.

    This is also the law in the US.

  20. Nel is stressing Pistorius’s refusal to accept responsibility for pulling the trigger of the gun in the restaurant and his willingness to have his friend, Frescoe, take the rap for it.

    This particular gun can’t go off by accident.

    Pistorius won’t accept responsibility for anything.

    • girlp says:

      Pistorius is another narcissist he and his brother from another mother Fogen. It seems many guns are going off lately.

  21. girlp says:

    Oh the latest incident. Another gun going off by itself

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