Thursday Evening Open Thread Discussion

Thursday, May 15, 2014

Good evening:

(1) In the I-didn’t-need-this-to-happen-in-my-life-right-now category, Aaron Hernandez, the former tight end for the New England Patriots, has been indicted by a grand jury for shooting two men to death in a drive-by shooting at a red light in South Boston in July 2012. The Daily News reports,

Suffolk County District Attorney Daniel Conley fingered Hernandez as the trigger man in the double murder, alleging that Hernandez encountered the victims at Cure, a night club in Boston. Hernandez then pulled up alongside the victims at an intersection and shot into the passenger side of their vehicle with a .38-caliber revolver, according to Conley. De Abreu, the driver, suffered a fatal gunshot wound to the chest while Furtado was killed by a shot to the head. One of the other three passengers was also shot but survived.

Hernandez was in jail awaiting trial for the murder of Odin Lloyd in June 2013 when he got the bad news.

NBC reports,

Hernandez allegedly orchestrated the murder of Lloyd because he was upset Lloyd had spoken to some people he didn’t like, authorities said. Lloyd’s bullet-riddled body was found in an industrial park not far from Hernandez’s home in North Attleborough, Massachusetts.

So much for that 5 year contract extension worth up to $40 million that he signed in August 2012.

(2) In the police-are-out-of-control department, Banoosh reports that Officer Enoch Clark of the Beaumont, CA police department destroyed both of Monique Hernandez’s eyes by spraying his department-issued JPX gunpowder-propelled pepper spray weapon directly into her face after arresting her for DUI.

The pepper gun launches pepper spray at 405mph; fired at such a close distance to Hernandez’s face, the damages inflicted were catastrophic.

The force of the pepper spray sliced her right eye in half and fractured her right orbital bone.

It also severed the optic nerve in her left eye.

What is more, not only has Clark caused great bodily harm to a citizen, but the story he told of the moments leading up to pepper-spraying Hernandez reportedly hasn’t been supported by the video evidence captured on the cruiser’s dashcam.


He has been charged with assault by a police officer causing injury, assault with a less lethal weapon, battery causing serious injury and assault resulting in great bodily injury. If convicted of the disabling assault, he could face more than 20 years in prison.

(3) In the what’s-up-with-the-belligerent-and-willfully-blind-right-wing-hate-machine department, the answer is Operation American Spring, A Call to all Eagles. Talking Points Memo reports,

The organizers of the operation have picked Friday to kick things off. Phase one of “Operation American Spring – Beginning Of Tyranny Housecleaning” calls for as many as 10 million “patriots” to assemble in a “peaceful, non-violent, physically unarmed (Spiritually/Constitutionally armed), display of unswerving loyalty to the US Constitution and against the incumbent government leadership, in Washington, D.C., with the mission to replace with law abiding leadership,” according to the organizers’ website. Phase two calls for at least a million of the protestors to remain in Washington until the aforementioned officials are forced from office. Phase three hopes to see a governing tribunal made up of a who’s who of conservative icons.

“Those with the principles of a West, Cruz, Dr. Ben Carson, Lee, DeMint, Paul, Gov Walker, Sessions, Gowdy, Jordan, should comprise a tribunal and assume positions of authority to convene investigations, recommend appropriate charges against politicians and government employees to the new U.S. Attorney General appointed by the new President,” according to the website.

These patriots are so smart they don’t even know the first names of their fearless leaders.

I think they should attempt something more likely to help them, like brain transplants in the park under the lights.

(4) In the how-to-reduce-crime category, we have the tried and true New Orleans Police Department method, which is to misreport half of rapes as lesser crimes. Yeah, baby. That’s the ticket.

Raw Story has the story,

An audit released this week by the New Orleans inspector general found that nearly half of the rape cases studied had been incorrectly classified as lesser crimes, making the city appear to be safer than it actually was.

New Orleans Inspector General Ed Quatrevaux told WWLTV that his auditors reviewed 90 cases, and found that 41 of those cases had been misclassified, and not reported to the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting program.

Quatrevaux’s biggest concern was that the New Orleans Police Department automatically classified potential sexual assaults as a “miscellaneous incident” or “Signal 21X.”

Maybe if they got some tanks, grass camos and assassinated some Quakers and Unitarians, they would feel like Real men and not lie so much.

(5) In the one-more-thing department, here’s Marco Rubio carrying on about abortion because as we all know, it has everything to do with global warming and climate change. Think Progress reports,

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), who has recently come under fire for failing to name a single source to justify his assertion that “there’s no scientific evidence” to prove humans are contributing to climate change, is defending his comments by claiming that at least he knows the science about abortion.

In an interview with Sean Hannity on Wednesday, the senator said that liberals who criticize him for ignoring climate science are revealing their “hypocrisy” because they ignore the science supporting the idea that life begins at conception. Rubio claimed this concept is a “proven fact” that people on the left are ignoring.

“Let me give you a bit of settled science that they’ll never admit to. The science is settled, it’s not even a consensus, it is a unanimity, that human life begins at conception,” Rubio said. “So I hope the next time someone wags their finger about science, they’ll ask one of these leaders on the left: ‘Do you agree with the consensus of science that human life begins at conception?’”

And this dude says he’s ready to be president. Excuse me while I ROTFLMAO!

Well, that’s it for tonight and don’t forget to donate, if you like what we do.

11 Responses to Thursday Evening Open Thread Discussion

    • bettykath says:

      Malisha, thanks for posting this. I have known the outlines of the travails of Elian, but this is another look with more details.

      • Malisha says:

        They acted like his mother and his “best interests” were his two parents, and since his mother died, he had only one left. I knew people, believe it or not, who wanted his father to come before an American court voluntarily to try to prove that he was a better parent than the folks in Florida who wanted him! As if anybody had a right to put him in that position! He was, simply and only, a rescue at sea and he deserved immediate help and return to his [surviving] family.

        But I didn’t like the rifle-bearing-SWAT-thug “recapturing” him from the closet. I proposed that a hundred police women (fed-eral agents) dress in all white and walk down the main street toward the house UNARMED with their hands in the air and that they take the house without weapons. NONE of those protest-ing men would have dared attack or even advance on a woman in that scenario. And Elian would not have been scared to death.

        He’s now a well spoken, seemingly reasonable and attractive young man. I’m so sorry for all his losses.

  1. Malisha says:

    Elian Gonzalez is 20 years old now and I believe he is an engineering student. The alleged “custody battle” over him in Florida was a travesty, as are most “custody battles” here. But an interesting fact that was not much reported was that recently deceased Gabriel Garcia Marquez weighed in eloquently on Elian’s behalf in those days when the six-year-old’s face was blared across our news every day. With the recent death of this literary giant, I have the strange desire to send a card of condolences to Elian, for the loss of his dear friend Gabo.

  2. Malisha says:

    I had an unpleasant experience just now. A friend who is an intelligent woman and an attorney herself just told me that she believes Pistorius’ story of fear of an intruder. WHY? Because:

    1. If you’re going to kill somebody, “you don’t put a door between yourself and the person you’re gonna kill.”

    2. If you’re gonna leave a man and you’re fighting with him, you don’t go to his house and sleep in his bed.

    3. If you’re gonna kill somebody, you’ll do it in a better way than in your own house where you’ll get blamed. AND…

    4. If you’re scared of an intruder, you can freak out and shoot four times into the bathroom because you can’t hear anything after the first shot because it’s so loud.

    So I ask, “This means you basically believed his story.”

    She said yes, she did.

    This is a woman who has been abused, her child has been abused, she expresses NO faith in the courts, she suspects everyone of bad faith and lying and misdeeds of every kind, and she BELIEVES that stupid story Oscar Pistorius tells.

    God help us.

    • MKX says:

      Holy Moly!!!!

      She concludes that a well planned, cold blooded murder is the “only” form of murder and ignores the more common spousal event wherein one of them loses their temper, gets a gun, and unleashes a hail of gunfire. Hot blooded murder.

      I suppose she also believed poor “widdle” George.

      Also, if you are scared of an intruder who you have not ascertained exists and decide to unleash a hail of rounds at a virtual target in a home that is located in a dense community, then you need to go to jail or a mental institution.

      I am quite tired of this cavalier attitude about shooting guns.

      When I lived in Detroit, we lost a seven year old girl who was hit by a stray while riding her bike. We lost a grandmother making Thanksgiving Dinner for her family to a stray that a man had aimed at a car jack man driving away. The man who did the car jack used a toy gun to get the car.

      This country collectively has lost common sense and humanity.

      We kill to protect things and jail those who feed the less fortunate.

      • Malisha says:

        I’m with you. This woman, by the way, did NOT believe Fogen and she never before expressed such an idiotic idea to me. One of her arguments ran like this:

        “[My husband] hated me and surely at times [my kid] hated me and both of them are capable of great violence but neither one of them ever shot me!”

        She acted like the act of shooting to kill would never occur between lovers or spouses! She also acted like nobody could possibly be in bed with someone they could cavalierly pump four bullets into two hours later. Also, she had an explanation for everything. Undigested food in her stomach? She got up for a midnight snack and didn’t wake Oscar. Didn’t check the bed next to himself before rushing off to shoot intruder? It was dark; all he could do was respond to his panicky impulses. Didn’t hear her scream after the first bullet tore into her? The noise of the gun deafened him.

        OMG. OMG OMG OMG.

        • MKX says:

          Thank God, she did not believe Fogen.

          Maybe she has denial issues due to her abuse.

          Me, I read OP clear as a day with sunshine. His wife was just a trophy that he “loved” due to her looks and how it bolstered his image amongst other men. Those type of men will kill their “trophy” if they feel there is a possibility that it will no longer be their possession because they fear it will become a prize for another man. A threat, by the wife, to leave will often set off a rage. Or, of course, the “where were you” paranoia.

          IOW, OP has insecure, jealous husband syndrome. Those type of men are dangerous.

          And I live a lucky life.

          Years ago there was an estranged women who clearly was sweet on me. And all the guys were asking “why don’t you go for that?”.

          Well, I got word from a reliable source that her ex used to wait for her in the garage. To me, that was enough to avoid any type of relationship.

          So she ended up dating another guy.

          One night, the ex showed up at her apt when she was with this guy to “talk”.

          The ex got a kitchen knife and plunged it into the guys chest. The women had to be put into an institution due to the traumatic scene.

        • I do believe, like Fred, that’s there is such a thing as willful stupidity. She’s likely had the same impulses and so needs to deny these to make herself feel better.

  3. At exactly what point in time did we start living in a graphic novel? : /

    On the left coast, Jordyan Carroll, the young protestor assaulted by a CBS newscaster (newslady shoved Jordyan, Jordyan shoved back) at the January 18, 2014 protest in Fullerton, CA after Officers Ciccinelli and Ramos were declared not guilty of the vicious murder of homeless man Kelly Thomas, surrendered herself today for a 14-day sentence for assault. The mainstream media figure was never charged, though the incident was caught in its entirety on video.

    So young leftist protestors armed with water bottles and protest signs go to jail when assaulted while protesting a serious police violation, rightwing militia points guns at government agents at the Bundy ranch over grazing issues on public land and the government backs down (for now, anyway). WTF.

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