#MH370: Malaysian PM Razak announces plane crashed in South Indian Ocean

Monday, March 24, 2014

A Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777

Have remains of MH 370 been found west of Australia?

Good morning:

The New York Times is reporting that Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak has announced:

It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that, according to this new data, flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean.

Meanwhile, AMSA is reporting,

The Australian Maritime Safety Authority can advise objects have been located by a Royal Australian Air Force P3 Orion.

HMAS Success is on scene and is attempting to locate the objects in the search for missing Malaysia Aircraft flight MH370.

The objects were spotted in the search area about 2500 kilometres south-west of Perth by the RAAF Orion about 2.45pm (AEDT).

The crew on board the Orion reported seeing two objects – the first a grey or green circular object and the second an orange rectangular object.

The objects identified by the RAAF Orion are separate to the objects reported by the Chinese Ilyushin IL-76 to AMSA earlier today.

The objects reported by the Chinese were also within today’s search area.

The US Navy P8 Poseidon aircraft sought to relocate the objects reported by the Chinese aircraft but were unable to do so.

The US Navy P8 is remains in the search area, while a second RAAF P3 and a Japanese P3 are en route to their assigned search areas.

Evidently, the Prime Minister is relying on some additional evidence that he has not been disclosed because the satellite photos and the search in the south Indian Ocean has not produced a definitive identification of any object as part of Flight MH370.

You may wish to download and watch John Young’s debriefing regarding Monday’s search (Day 7). He is the General Manager of AMSA’s Emergency Response Division.

You are up to date.

Photo by Aero Icarus released under a Creative Commons Share Alike license.

28 Responses to #MH370: Malaysian PM Razak announces plane crashed in South Indian Ocean

  1. Malisha says:

    If my relative were on board 370, I wonder whether I would feel confident in the current belief that the plane just went down in a very unusual and unpredictable way. What a horrible experience!

  2. AMSA Reports:
    The Australian Maritime Safety Authority’s search for any signs of the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has been suspended for today due to poor weather conditions in the search area.

    Due to rough seas, HMAS Success departed the search area early this morning and is now in transit south of the search area until seas abate. A sea state ranging between 7 to 8 is forecast today with waves up to two metres and an associated swell of up to four metres.

    The area is also forecast to experience strong gale force winds of up to 80km/h, periods of heavy rain, and low cloud with a ceiling between 200 and 500 feet.

    AMSA has undertaken a risk assessment and determined that the current weather conditions would make any air and sea search activities hazardous and pose a risk to crew. Therefore, AMSA has suspended all sea and air search operations for today due to these weather conditions.

    AMSA has consulted with the Bureau of Meteorology and weather conditions are expected to improve in the search area in the evening and over the next few days. Search operations are expected to resume tomorrow, if weather conditions permit.

    HMAS Success will return to the search area once weather conditions improve.

    Last night, HMAS Success attempted to locate objects sighted by a RAAF P3 Orion aircraft. The objects were spotted visually in the search area by the RAAF P3 Orion about 2.45pm (AEDT).

    Drift modelling was undertaken to assist search efforts. HMAS Success was unable to relocate the objects. In light of the statement by the Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak overnight, AMSA offers its deepest sympathies to the families of the passengers and crew of flight MH370.

    AMSA intends to recommence search activities for any signs of the aircraft once weather conditions improve in the search area.

  3. Malisha says:

    OT, but Fred Phelps has died, and his son Nathan has issued a statement, and I believe it is very significant.

    Nathan Phelps said:

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: March 24 2014 – On behalf of Nathan Phelps, son of former Westboro Baptist Church leader Fred Phelps, Recovering From Religion issues the following official statement:
    “Fred Phelps is now the past. The present and the future are for the living. Unfortunately, Fred’s ideas have not died with him, but live on, not just among the members of Westboro Baptist Church, but among the many communities and small minds that refuse to recognize the equality and humanity of our brothers and sisters on this small planet we share. I will mourn his passing, not for the man he was, but for the man he could have been. I deeply mourn the grief and pain felt by my family members denied their right to visit him in his final days. They deserved the right to finally have closure to decades of rejection, and that was stolen from them.

    Even more, I mourn the ongoing injustices against the LGBT community, the unfortunate target of his 23 year campaign of hate. His life impacted many outside the walls of the WBC compound, uniting us across all spectrums of orientation and belief as we realized our strength lies in our commonalities, and not our differences. How many times have communities risen up together in a united wall against the harassment of my family? Differences have been set aside for that cause, tremendous and loving joint efforts mobilized within hours…and because of that, I ask this of everyone – let his death mean something. Let every mention of his name and of his church be a constant reminder of the tremendous good we are all capable of doing in our communities.

    The lessons of my father were not unique to him, nor will this be the last we hear of his words, which are echoed from pulpits as close as other churches in Topeka, Kansas, where WBC headquarters remain, and as far away as Uganda. Let’s end the support of hateful and divisive teachings describing the LGBT community as “less than,” “sinful,” or “abnormal.” Embrace the LGBT community as our equals, our true brothers and sisters, by promoting equal rights for everyone, without exception. My father was a man of action, and I implore us all to embrace that small portion of his faulty legacy by doing the same.”

  4. MKX says:

    I hope they go into more detail about processing the ping signal. If the ping was a time stamped signal, then there would be, based on time of reception of the ping at the satellite, a sphere of possible ranges. The intersection of that sphere with the earths surface would give an arc of possible locations. The Doppler shift could then be used to pinpoint where on the arc the ping originated. They probably had to do simulations with real plane data to take into account the speed of the plane.

    The reason I wonder is that I can’t see how position can be determined by just a Doppler shift alone.

    It is amazing what RF engineers can do.

    • colin black says:

      No its not amazeing its quite straight foward with the tech available today its amazeing this is the first time they have used the doppler affect to locate a missing aircraft.

      They have used the Doppler effect for over 50 years t locate objects position distance an direction speed also in space.

      The doppler effects is so usefull its efective in both spectral an audio analysis.

      As you hears sirens wails lenghthen an shorten as they aproach an depart.

      Or in the spectrum of colour doppler effect apears in the red shift difference from wich they measure speed distance direction ect.

      However it was the audio use of the doppler effect that allowed them to narrow the search area to a specific route an heading .

      As the pings from the satalite bounced of the aircrafts antanie.radio an then bounced of the sattalite.

      A couple of geeks used the doppler effect to detrimine its exact direction.

      HOW?

      ANSWER

      They had audio of the pings from the sattalite an plane one every hour .

      So 8 or 9 pings max.

      These clever clogs were able to culculate the freqency of the pings an takeing into cnsideration the speed os the sattalites orbit.

      Aprox speed of plane an compare the pings with similar aircraft travelling either North South West or Eastern direction .

      Then compareing the audio pings with missing planes pings and useing the doppler effect .

      Where able to assertain with certainty wich direction the Jet took an narrowed a corridor down to ten miles or so.

      O,T.

      Prayers an Condolances for your Tragedy in Washington an I mean the Mountain collapse wiped out an entire wee Town looks like.

      Im not refering to Obama letting Russia Putin there Cock in Americas Mouth an demanding felitio.

  5. towerflower says:

    I believe in the KISS application. I believe that will eventually discover the final resting place of the airliner and that they will determine the cause of the crash. Even if it is a simple explanation you’ll still have those that will believe otherwise.

      • Malisha says:

        One thing I would like to know was who were the two (or possibly four) passengers who were identified as traveling with stolen passports. Surely their having committed crimes by traveling with false i.d. is less significant than their identities as victims of the crash.

        • towerflower says:

          Malisha, There were two Iranian nationals. They have already been identified and their pasts gone through with a fine tooth comb. They traveled under Iranian passports (their own real ones) to Malaysia and then used the stolen passports to ultimately get to Germany. Most likely because Iranian passports won’t get you into a lot of countries. They know that one wanted to defect to Germany. They discounted them early on once nothing showed up in their past to raise suspicions.

          • Malisha says:

            I wasn’t thinking about it in terms of suspicion, but in terms of knowing their real identity to let their families know what happened to them.

        • lyn says:

          Talk about bad Karma. Here these two gather the money to buy a passport, manage to get on a flight undetected, expect a flight to a better life in the western world and wind up in the bottom of the Indian Ocean.

      • colin black says:

        Sods Law

  6. Two sides to a story says:

    I just stumbled on this conspiracy type blog. I don’t trust we’re getting total truth about the flight through mainstream media, nor do I trust any conspiracy blog for truth, but by now it’s pretty clear something fishy happened and the truth probably lies somewhere between the two media extremes.

    http://greatgameindia.wordpress.com/2014/03/22/mh370-mystery-suspicious-cargo-destroyed-in-a-massive-explosion-near-1945-nuclear-bomb-test-site/

  7. Sophie Curtis of The Telegraph is reporting how Inmarsat determined that MH370 took the southern route:

    “Effectually we looked at the Doppler effect, which is the change in frequency, due to the movement of a satellite in its orbit. What that then gave us was a predicted path for the northerly route and a predicted path the southerly route,” explained Chris McLaughlin, senior vice president of external affairs at Inmarsat

    This information was relayed to Malaysian officials by 12 March, but Malaysia’s government did not publicly acknowledge it until 15 March, according to the Wall Street Journal. Malaysia began to redirect the search effort that day, to focus on the areas the information described. However, some officials involved with the probe warned that the lost days and wasted resources could impede the investigation.

    Meanwhile, Inmarsat’s engineers carried out further analysis of the pings and came up with a much more detailed Doppler effect model for the northern and southern paths. By comparing these models with the movement of other aircraft on similar routes, they were able to establish an “extraordinary matching” between Inmarsat’s predicted path to the south and the readings that it got from other planes.

    “By yesterday they were able to definitively say that the plane had undoubtedly taken the southern route,” said McLaughlin.

    These pings from the satellite – along with assumptions about the plane’s speed – helped Australia and the US National Transportation Safety Board to narrow down the search area to just 3 per cent of the southern corridor on 18 March.

    “We worked out where the last ping was, and we knew that the plane must have run out before the next automated ping, but we don’t know what speed the aircraft was flying at – we assumed about 450 knots,” said McLaughlin. “We can’t know when the fuel actually ran out, we can’t know whether the plane plunged or glided, and we can’t know whether the plane at the end of the time in the air was flying more slowly because it was on fumes.”

    Inmarsat passed the relevant analysis to the UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) yesterday. The cause of the crash remains a mystery.

  8. colin black says:

    The data on the orange/black boxes will last for decades.
    However the battery life sending out pings to locate is limited.

    Forty days battery life means unless the locate the pings within 4 weeks ,Then they lose that option to trace it.

    Of course thet could still find it with remote control sub mersables .

    But it took 2 years searching to find the Air France orange /black box after its batterys died.

    And that was in calmer seas and shallower ocean bed…

    • towerflower says:

      The US is already sending out a ping locator for the black boxes to aid in the search.

      But it took 2 yrs to bring the black boxes to the surface in the Air France crash and it’s resting place was deeper than the Titanic. There aren’t many commercial/research vessels out there that can handle that type of recovery at such deep depths. I imagine that the Woods Hole Institute will be involved in some way with their submersibles as they are the leader in this area.

  9. I agree, but she obviously has something to hide or she would not have used fake ID to purchase the SIM card.

    The investigation into the disappearance of MH370 is a criminal investigation, so she probably should be consulting with a lawyer before she decides what to do.

  10. Malisha says:

    It would be a good idea for the “mystery person” with the false i.d. and burner cell phone to come forward now and enlighten people about the content of the call. I do not believe it will happen but it would be a good idea. Families of the “vanished” passengers and crew could certainly benefit to put one of the big doubts to rest. If it would indeed rest…

  11. towerflower says:

    The satellite in question is a marine satellite that covers oceans for shipping and is also used by airlines for transmissions of data.

  12. towerflower says:

    They are using the satellite that first produced the two paths based on the engine pings. They said for the first time ever, they conducted further analysis on the information and determined without a doubt the jet took the southern route and that it’s last position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean, west of Perth.

    That arc which produce the two paths was based on the path of the satellite itself while in orbit over the earth. Someone associated with that satellite did more research and analysis and they were finally able to determine the exact path of the plane.

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