Michael Dunn trial special Saturday session

Saturday, February 8, 2014

Good morning:

We have an unusual Saturday session scheduled for today, pursuant to the jury’s request, in the Michael
Dunn case. They also asked Judge Russell Healey to schedule a Sunday session, but he declined to do so. Evidently the jurors do not like being sequestered and want to get this trial over so that they can return to their normal lives.

I understand the fear that jurors beliefs regarding guilt or innocence may be tainted by outside influences, but I nevertheless believe that they are adults and we need to trust them and take them at their word that they will disregard and disengage from any situation in which their judgment may be tainted.

When they take the juror’s oath to well and truly decide the case according to the evidence and the instructions, they become officers of the court. I believe judges and lawyers should accord them the same respect that they accord to each other rather than treat them like potential juvenile miscreants who must be watched at all times. Therefore, I oppose sequestration in all cases, unless extraordinary dangerous circumstances exist that reasonably require protecting the jurors.

Such circumstances do not exist in this case or in any of the recent cases where jurors have been sequestered.

In Washington State where I practiced law for 30 years, the courts for the most part abandoned sequestration without the sky falling.

I would rather have a happy jury than an angry, impatient and resentful jury.

What do you think?

Court resumes at 9 am, EDT, which is about 40 minutes from now.

Get some coffee and join us for what should be an interesting day of testimony.

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393 Responses to Michael Dunn trial special Saturday session

  1. Monday morning, just about 25 minutes to trial time. We will do a usual Live-blog type of thing, explaining events, commenting, so please join, lurk, comment, whatever. If nothing else come check out the new name we made up for Strolla!

  2. Brandy says:

    Thanks for posting the videos Crane! Looking forward to watching them later.

  3. Trained Observer says:

    Holy smokes: Thank you for posting, Crane. Another blazing example of some fool thinking he can talk his way out of trouble.. Why would he not keep quiet until his lawyer showed up?

    The cop (not sure if he’s a detective) is taking him apart piece by piece. Logic prevails. Maybe Serrino and his pals ought to catch this to take lessons on how it’s done.

    Here’s Dunn yakkin’ away about how he feared for his life … so he gets out of his car. OMG, OMG, OMG.

    What have we learned from this: It doesn’t matter if it’s insider trading like with Martha Stewart or whether shooting somebody’s head off, Rule Number One is STFU until your lawyer arrives to handle things..

    • Trained Observer says:

      Midway through Part II is a classic … Dunn actually asks cops if maybe, just maybe, he ought to get a lawyer.

      • ROF.LOL. We need to be giving seminars to these people. When you go out on a shooting spree, just like a fucking madman, you don’t talk to the cops. When they throw you the yellow pages, you get a lawyer. Nobody talks, everybody walks.

        Something like that.

  4. Michael David Dunn – Police Interview Uncut – Part 2

  5. Michael David Dunn – Police Interview Uncut – Part 1

    • OMG. He says, “They were keeping their heads and they were fleeing, and I fired four more shots.”

      • Sure sounds like self-defense to me, heh!

      • blushedbrown says:


        Thanks again for posting the police interviews. I am wondering if you caught this…..
        At time stamp 21:08 of your video posted, when the officer or detective ask Dunn this “How did you shoot the gun, one handed or two? He shapes his hand into a gun and aims it at the black officer. Is that telling or what? He didn’t show how he held the gun towards the person asking the question, instead his own conscious his own thought process is to aim at the black man. JMO and observation.

        • Oh. My. God. Okay, this is so surreal, I am double posting this, sorry, but:

          What in the…I am listening to the first cop interview that Dunn shouldn’t have had, and he is saying something about not calling the cops because he wanted to get his dog out of Jacksonville? I feel like I am watching a really bad horror movie.

          First of all, the words coming from his mouth should have been: “On the advice of my attorney, who threatened to kill me if I talked to the cops, I cannot answer your question.”

        • Unforced body movements, as natural acts or expressions, often say more about us than what we say.

          That is a subject well worth studying on its own.

          • blushedbrown says:

            Well said.

          • Every good trial lawyer is good at reading people.

            Helps in picking a jury as well as questioning witnesses effectively.

            Lots of lawyers see themselves as actors on a stage. They are focused on being the center of attention instead of listening and going with the flow.

  6. Does anyone have the Gates convenience store video with sound?

  7. crazy1946 says:

    I’m sitting here and thinking about all the testimony that we heard today and the one thing that really hit me the hardest, and I hope the jury heard it as well, is that Done Dunn and his Girl Friend (aka as Slave) were more worried about their dog than they were about the life of a black child… They had to get the dog home, not them selves, just the dog…. The need to get the dog home had priority over calling 911… If they indeed really felt the pressing need to get the dog home, why did they hide out in the motel until the coast was clear? Do they really expect anyone to believe that? Then again, this trial is taking place in Florida, so maybe the jury might place that little value to the life of a black child…. One more little thought, I wish Mz. Roush had been asked where the car was parked in the morning when she and Done Dunn got in it to leave the Motel, she stated he parked in front when they got to the motel, but I would almost be willing to bet when he walked the dog he moved it to a different location…

    • Rule: Never ask a question when you do not know the answer.

    • bettykath says:

      Could be that he moved the car but I don’t think he saw a need to do anything but what he wanted. He didn’t realize that his car had been made.

    • Trained Observer says:

      Driving to Satellite Beach from Jacksonville is not that big a deal, via I-95 or A1A. Am not sure why the stop at the hotel (had understood it was a B&B, but today the sniveling girlfirend testified that it was a Sheraton.)

      But Crazy, you make an excellent point about their using the dog as an excuse to cover-up the fact that they had hoped to get away free and clear.

      During voir dire was an effort made to load the jury with dog owners?

      • “During voir dire was an effort made to load the jury with dog owners?”

        Lord have mercy.

      • Lynn says:

        @TO The B&B was suppose to be the next night (Saturday) in St. Augustine, but they went back home instead. Thursday and Friday was the Sheraton in Deerwood about 2 1/2 miles from the Gate gas station. Straight down Southside Blvd and hang a right. There is a lake/pond behind it so I believe most parking is up front. The police were suppose to search a 5 mile radius BOLO and especially hotels. Another fail for JSO.

  8. fauxmccoy says:

    that GF testimony was damning. strolla would have been better off had he simply stated he had no questions for this witness.

  9. Brandy says:

    Would not be surprised if Georgie the psychopath takes this bad news out on his ditsy girlfriend. It does not take much to set this lowlife off! Seriously, I just wish he would go away!!

  10. Brandy says:

    Praying the jury gets it right this time and finds Dunn GUILTY of Murder!

  11. Brandy says:

    Hi everyone! Have some OT info and am very happy to let you all know that the promoter has CANCELLED the fight for GZ! With all the backlash it made him rethink what he was doing. He grew a conscience. You can find all the info on TMZ. I am so HAPPY to hear this! 🙂

    • Lynn says:

      The guy wearing white with the halo on my right shoulder is happy. I do believe the little red guy with horns on my left shoulder is a little depressed. A girl can dream, but I know it’s the right thing. Don’t give this moron celebrity status.

      • Brandy says:

        Hi Lynn, I agree. That moron is not a celebrity he murdered a young black teen and got away with it! Hearing the latest has put me in a much better mood 🙂 Wonder what he will come up with next to try and make big bucks? Whatever it is the backlash will win.

    • Good news. This is no way to be making money. Same with eBay and its murderabilia.

      • Brandy says:

        Hi Crane, I agree! Maybe he can dress up like a woman and prostitute himself LOL, Now, that is a scary image. I don’t care what the socio does as long as he stays out of the limelight and goes far, far away!

        • That seems to be the problem- he is getting way too much support, being in the limelight. The promoter says on Twitter he’s gonna give a press conference on Tuesday. Remarkably, he is apparently getting crap for canceling this event, which should never happen.

  12. J4TMinATL says:

    A lot of holes closed today.

  13. colin black says:

    Girlfreind was devestateing ..

    Confirms his guilt an lack of concer on both there parts for the victims.

    Her main concern was getting arrrested along with her boyfeind.

    As Guilty people whom flee are cosumed with terror of arrest and exposure.

    Yup this dunn may actually get done for his evil actions.

    Unlesss the jurys stacked with kindred types.

  14. Recess until Monday AM at 9.

    Time for my absolute number one favorite loud, Dunn-would-hate-this music.

  15. Corey is displaying the knife to the jury.

    Court is in recess until 9 am Monday morning, EDT.

    • crazy1946 says:

      I hope she (AC) explains to the jury that this knife is totally legal in design and length for anyone to possess, and not a weapon that would normally be used as an offensive weapon. Then again perhaps the defense is trying to say Jordan was guilty of bringing a knife to a gun fight? Or maybe in Done Dunn’s eyes the knife closely resembled a double barreled shot gun? IMO it would have been better for them to have left the little knife out of the proceedings lest the jury see the shear desperation in the defense of Done Dunn….

      • Lynn says:

        Looking up Smith and Wesson Cuttin Horse. Blade seems to be 3.1 – 3.25 inches. Sold at Sears,etc. Doesn’t seem like a weapon to me.

        • It’s legal:

          Fla. Stat. § 790.01 (2012)

          § 790.01. Carrying concealed weapons

          [A] person who carries a concealed weapon […] on or about his or her person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

          “Concealed weapon” means any dirk, metallic knuckles, slungshot, billie, tear gas gun, chemical weapon or device, or other deadly weapon carried on or about a person in such a manner as to conceal the weapon from the ordinary sight of another person.

          “Weapon” means any dirk, knife, metallic knuckles, slungshot, billie, tear gas gun, chemical weapon or device, or other deadly weapon except a firearm or a common pocketknife, plastic knife, or blunt-bladed table knife.

      • It’s legal:

        Fla. Stat. § 790.01 (2012)

        § 790.01. Carrying concealed weapons

        [A] person who carries a concealed weapon […] on or about his or her person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

        “Concealed weapon” means any dirk, metallic knuckles, slungshot, billie, tear gas gun, chemical weapon or device, or other deadly weapon carried on or about a person in such a manner as to conceal the weapon from the ordinary sight of another person.

        “Weapon” means any dirk, knife, metallic knuckles, slungshot, billie, tear gas gun, chemical weapon or device, or other deadly weapon except a firearm or a common pocketknife, plastic knife, or blunt-bladed table knife.

        • crazy1946 says:

          Professor, as best my memory recalls, the knife blade would have had to exceed 5 inches to not be legal to carry in a pocket. I wonder how many people across the state of Florida have a pocket knife on them at this time? This again is a case where the defense is throwing crap at the wall and hoping something will stick… IMO Like I said before the defense seems to be trying to imply that Jordan brought a weapon to the fight, just not the right kind, or in other words “he brought a knife to a gun fight so it was his fault for getting killed”…

  16. She is testifying about personal items found on Jordan’s body. Came from the hospital with his body.

  17. Wendy Meachem of the Medical Examiner’s Office.

    Direct by Corey.

  18. She stood by her man and took the blame for driving home instead of contacting the police.

    I think everyone saw that.

  19. The message to the jury seemed to be that she knows he’s guilty.


  20. Trained Observer says:

    At this juncture, bet Dunn wishes he hadn’t taken a date to the prom.

  21. fauxmccoy says:

    legal question fred —

    if these two bone heads had gotten married within the last 18 months, how would spousal privilege apply?

  22. She needs a doctor or something.

    And Strolla:

    Sustained. BOOM Sustained.

  23. Malamiyya says:

    Both lawyers and the judge are quite aware of how precarious she is. I’ve never seen a witness brought before the judge to be walked through what would happen to her before being brought in as a witness. Something unusual is going on.

  24. colin black says:

    What the didnt even stay the night but fled as soon as they heard news reports

    Is that correct?

    If so it screams of fight an guilt an attemmpting to avios arrest.

  25. fauxmccoy says:

    OMG — look at what she’s doing with her hands, it’s bizarre, child-like. weird, weird, weird.

  26. This cross examination is not helping Dunn.

  27. Healey has a stern message to deliver to Strolla at sidebar.

  28. Trained Observer says:

    She’s a witness for the state, yes? Seems like Dunn’s attorney on cross is on a fishing expedition and doesn’t really know what she’s going to say. Talk about a loose canon.

  29. colin black says:

    A State youd never been In

    Shocked into sobriety

  30. I am thinking the lawyers are finally understanding how much drinking was actually going on.

    • fauxmccoy says:

      yup … and we all know that when they admit to having 2-3 drinks that really means 5-8 (voice of experience, here)

    • Trained Observer says:

      There’s something odd about the mix. People tend to drink wine. Or hard liquor. (Or beer). Discounting the champagne toast, it seems this pair liked to mix things up. ..

  31. This woman is pathetic. She feels like her life has been destroyed and she is in no way suggesting or implying that he is innocent.

    The jury probably will not fail to notice that.

  32. colin black says:

    takeing care of you so much you had to go get air.

    What was he doing smothering her.

    aNY CONCERN ABOUT THE WELFARE OF THE tEENAGERS WHOS car dunn her fiance shot up?

  33. Trained Observer says:

    Why would jurors care how long the killer was out on poop patrol? What is the point of this?

  34. Lynn says:

    She had 2 glasses of wine, 2 rum and cokes, and a glass of champagne. We are suppose to respect her judgement on whether Michael was okay to drive?

  35. Trained Observer says:

    Bet she wishes that water were a rum and Coke. Double bet she pours a few stiff ones tonight.

  36. She is either in withdrawal or something…something is wrong with her, can’t put my finger on it. I think it’s the former, but not sure.

  37. Of course she’s not an entirely innocent bystander, but poor woman. She’s definitely a “woman who loves too much.” Dunn dun done is another control freak.

  38. colin black says:

    everything copasetic.

    Sure it was

  39. Boyd says:

    Should the DA ask why the cell phone was not used to call Police by Dunn and GF or do you save that for close? He said he was scared.

    • Hey, man, they were like, ordering pizza. The phone was in use.

    • That question is hanging like a giant cloud over this case and every juror is asking that question.

      • racerrodig says:

        I wouldn’t even mention that until closing……

        “…..and not only that ladies and gentleman, the defendant and his fiancee, were only concerned about getting away…….Mr. Dunn knew there was no weapon……he saw no stick……..he yelled at “the love of his life” to get into the car. (pace back & forth twice) and yet………at no point, despite having fired all those rounds into a vehicle that had unarmed teenagers in it, he couldn’t even call 911…….!! To make things worse…..fatally worse perhaps, neither did Ms. Rouer……why ??

        Mr. Strolla said he was “a good guy with a gun” Do all good guys open fire then just drive away. Even in war our soldiers make the effort to save the lives of the enemy if they are wounded…….was Mr. Duuhhnnn at war ??

        Well ladies & gentlemen……it seems Mr. Duuhhnnn was at war…he even got out of his car so he had a clear line of fire at a retreating enemy !!!! That’s warfare !! Shoot until you have killed them all.”

  40. Trained Observer says:

    But hey, folks, the wedding was great! (Perhaps Dunn’s last big social occasion.)

  41. colin black says:

    Rap Music promotes gun violence.


  42. Q: Had you ever been in a situation like this with him before?

    A: No, he usually just beats the shit out of me.

    Kidding. (not really though)

  43. fauxmccoy says:

    thanks NRA for giving us another ‘good guy with a gun’

  44. fauxmccoy says:

    oh yeah, i always buy a bottle of vino to deal with not having eaten much. :eyeroll:

  45. Tape from inside store shows Ms. Rouer at cash register when several (Loud) shots were fired. Somehow I believe she knew at that time, that Dunn was the shooter.

  46. colin black says:

    Sounded like 10 shots .

  47. She got busted watching the first day of the trial on TV?

  48. A detective called. She handed the phone to Michael. He went over to the neighbor’s house.

    Detectives arrived shortly.

  49. Boyd says:

    This prosecutor is roasting Dunn slowly

  50. Everybody orders a pizza after killing someone. (or maybe a bunch of people.How would he know?)

  51. He drove home. Trip took 2.5 hours.

  52. Rhonda Lynn Rouer.(Dunn’s fiance)

    She’s really upset. Wolfson is gently leading her to get her comfortable.

    He had 3 or 4 rum and cokes.

    They left around 7 pm.

    Stopped at the Gate to purchase a bottle of wine. His idea.

    He pulled in and parked next to the red Durango.

    She gave him a kiss, took $20 and said she’d be right back.

    She picked a bottle of wine and Cape Cod potato chips.

    She heard 3 pops and asked what was that?

    Then she heard 3 more pops.

    The cashier said there was a man shooting in the parking lot.

    She looked out and saw Dunn in profile with the door open.

    He told her to get in the car.

    She saw the gun as he placed it in the glove compartment.

    He drove back to the hotel.

    Both had cell phones but they did not call 911.

    He seemed anxious.

    He ordered the pizza.

    They each had rum and cokes that he mixed. They were strong.

    She woke up at 7 am. He was in the bathroom. The TV was on and she saw a report about the shooting

    • Trained Observer says:

      His idea on the wine? I thought it was hers. I could be wrong. Either way, why did he send her in? That purchase was something he should have handled, unless he was spoiling for a showdown with the boys.

  53. fauxmccoy says:

    wow — alcohol can sure numb a person. this is unflipping believable.

  54. colin black says:

    Charlie went potty second man in her life to go potty that day?

    Murder Trial in Florida Pizza is obligotary

  55. Trained Observer says:

    How was Dunn driving? “Quckly,” says she. (BTW, I predict an eye infection if she doesn’t stop with the cross-contamination idabbing.

  56. elizbowe says:

    How could she cry when the Davis’ are not crying? Shawn Atkins girlfriend slapped Shawn and told him he must return to the Gate gas station and Dunn and girlfriend go on their merry way. She shivers when looking at the gun, but all the youths in the Durango barely lived from the bullet barage and of course Jordan did not live.

  57. Lynn says:

    Dunn isn’t even looking at her. Says a lot.

  58. dee truth says:

    Oh please, stop all the sniveling. The teenagers who held their friend as he died were much more composed on the stand.

  59. Trained Observer says:

    It’s not easy to snivel, snort, wipe your eyes with a tissue you’ve used to wipe your nose and chew gum all at the same time while testifying, but this foolish woman is managing to do it. …

    Hope she’s capable of taking care dog by herself after Dunn goes to the slammer.

  60. Tee says:

    Ok if someone can answer me this. If she act like this now so emotional how on God Green Earth did she stay the night and eat pizza with a murderer. She just witness a murder yet she was able to still carry on as if nothing happened.

  61. Alcoholic. Just a guess.

    • fauxmccoy says:

      likewise, ms crane. she’s admitted to drinking before the wedding, several drinks during the wedding and needs to get more afterwards. that’s a lotta hootch.

      • Right, and after all that, no ‘social’ drinker on the planet would buy a serious bottle of wine from a convenience store.

        She is a mess. Good Lord.

        Rum, wine, rum, I lost count. Both of them were likely drunk.

        • fauxmccoy says:

          that bottle had ‘twist off cap’ written all over it. it’s the equivalent of ‘townhouse’ (safeway’s store brand) scotch. it’s for the professionals.

          • Dang, just lost a comment. Popov vodka under the kitchen sink. Like a boss. The only reason they sell that stuff is for the ‘professionals.’

            Oh oh…Brandy has Zimmerman news, gonna go check it out! Downthread.

          • Anne says:

            Well..she took $20 from Dunn for the purchase. She purchased a bottle of wine and a bag of potato chips AND was getting change back…..not a great caliber of wine IMO

    • bettykath says:

      I agree. She seems like someone who has been, or would be, subjected to emotional abuse.

  62. colin black says:

    What like a child?

    All this concern over the puppy so day early check In.

    And yet not one mention of puppy in her testomany oh charlie the puppy gets a mention.

  63. Trained Observer says:

    Because she’s a nincompoop … one who went running toward the bullet barage rather than stay in the store when her killer boyfriend opened fire toward the kids.

    She’d better line up a new boyfriend. This one’s toast.

  64. Tee says:

    Why is this woman acting like this?

    • Not sure, Tee, something not quite right with her though.

    • fauxmccoy says:

      she’s a nervous wreck … it is dunn’s girlfriend, was present at the shooting and is now testifying for the state and has no spousal privilege. it’s at this point the jury will hear that dunn went to a hotel after killing someone, ordered a pizza and then headed home as if they had no care in the world. (also, her statement to the police has no mention of dunn seeing a gun or stick.

  65. Ms. Rower, Dunn’s fiance, testifying. About their puppy. Named Charlie.

  66. Trained Observer says:

    Snivel, snivel …. Is that a signle sheet of toilet paper Dunn’s girlfriend has brought along to the stand? Why not bring a handkerchief?

    • I’d cry too, if I’d ever been in a car with that bastard.
      Rouer explaining that they were going to attend Dunn’s son’s wedding, he drove, a black Jetta.
      small wedding, under 50 ppl.

  67. Very important to know where that gun was when it ejected the casings.

    If it ejected to the right, that means Dunn fired from in front of his vehicle.

  68. fauxmccoy says:

    oooooh, dunn’s girlfriend is next. should be interesting.

  69. crazy1946 says:

    Is it normal for a defendant to seek an attorney that has a demeanor similar to their own? From what little we have seen of Dunn (in his interviews in this case) it would seem that both he and Strolla are both pompas a**’s! I wonder if he represents all of his clients in such an arrogant manner? If so, one could be lead to wonder how many he has successfully completed…..

  70. dee truth says:

    I assume and hope that Dunn’s “Letters from a Jacksonville Jail” will be admitted into evidence. Wonder how Strolla will handle them.

  71. Classic Line:

    Did (the discovery of the shell casings outside the vehicle) raise a red flag with you?


    It did not sit well with me.

  72. fauxmccoy says:

    have we gotten to the nun chucks and silencer portion of the event? i missed the first 90 minutes due to operating on california time. those items just make dunn appear bonkers, even to the average gun owner.

  73. This blog is rreplaceable as I watch the stream. My only laymen’s comments r that Angela Corey does have a significant gravitas. Regardless of my feelings because of the trial that shall not be named fiasco, when I watch her I listen. There’s an “it” there & I can understand her success. That being said whatever points I feel r being gained by the prosecution is mute as it’s likely that everyday is Opposite Day with this jury & I. Back to my 50th birthday extravaganza visiting frozen post appocylptic NY!

  74. dee truth says:

    Strolla: Since none of you know everything there is to know about everything, then my client is innocent. smdh

  75. Did he just call the University of Tennessee a “module?”

  76. She found a fully loaded magazine (18 bullets) in the glove compartment.

    With 9 mm hollow point ammunition.

  77. She spotted additional shell casings outside the vehicle beneath the windshield wipers.

  78. Lynn says:

    *Pats self on back* I called that one yesterday. He didn’t have time to get to dumpsters and he would have had a hell of an arm to throw to the roof. hahaha Mr. Guy took it further to include the opposite side of the highway. So laughable but this Defense is resting their whole case on this theory.

  79. Detective Karen Smith.

    She was one of the evidence technicians who worked the case and now teaches at the University of Tennessee.

    She went to the JSO Warehouse at the request of detectives Muser and Oliver to examine Dunn’s Jetta..

  80. Recross by John Guy.

    Strolla set up a killer redirect by Guy

    Q: Why didn’t you thoroughly search the area where the boys stopped?

    A: Because we had zero evidence to suspect them of committing a crime. We regarded them to be victims of a crime and that never changed.

  81. Trained Observer says:

    Can’t imagine jurors are charmed by Dunn attorney telling investigator how to do his job micro-management style.

    “Well couldn’t you have used someone else’s laptop?”

    Would be a hoot (in my dreams) if investigator said: “Why bother? We had our killer cold.”

  82. That was so fucking pointless it takes my breath away, going over those dates. Lord love a duck.

  83. This testimony tells me the police were treating the youngsters as the victims that they were. Had the killer stayed and told the police that he thought he saw a gun, the police would have searched for a possible weapon. Dunn was gone, so there was no reason for the police to be searching the area where the boys were for a weapon. Dunn was gone. Gone.

  84. Strolla’s cross just blew up in his face as Muser directed him to an entry that shows 3 cops searched the dumpsters.

    Muser is laughing at him as Strolla did his best to extricate himself from the dog poo.

    Little game of Gotcha!

    Strolla used the series of questions eliciting “yes” answers to give the appearance of being in command, certain of his facts, and unfazed by the answer.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      Like the cops in Fogen’s case didn’t because of all the hemming and hawing in that department about self-defense. These folks are all gunning for a conviction.

  85. This defense lawyer is really good at coming off like an arrogant son of a bitch. I’ll give him that much.

    Oh wait. He just fucked himself. The cops did check the dumpsters. And it’s in the report. Glorious!

    And the cop on the stand is practically laughing. Oh my God.

  86. Tee says:

    He seems so angry! Sometimes it’s better just not to ask pointless question I think

  87. fauxmccoy says:

    i realize strolla is doing his job, but the word that comes to my mind is ‘dildo’.

    that is all.

  88. Adds that Sprint doesn’t save text messages.

  89. Admits he did not attempt to subpoena text messages by the 3 boys.

  90. Muser is a little too cocky.

    He should have segregated the 3 boys from each other and the rest of the witnesses and that should have been a priority for him to check on shortly after he arrived.

    They should have been taken to the station house in separate vehicles and placed in different rooms.

  91. Cross by Strolla.

    Ah, the tripod!

    It wasn’t in his report.

    Did you look for a possible weapon or stick concealed by the tripod?

    I was looking for items, not space.

  92. We have been watching the prosecution stitch the case together with the lead detective, which is what I was looking for and did not see in the Zimmerman trial.

    This is the preferred way to try a homicide case.

    • fauxmccoy says:

      yes, fred, i am seeing this with the lead detective. the difference between the two trials is striking. while i tend to think that the zimmerman trial was thrown, i also have to take into account a number of other things. those being local LE in sanford’s piss poor investigation, what appeared to be sanford LE uncooperative with the special prosecutor (in spite of what was stated) and the undeniable advantage in dunn’s case of working with the home team and on home turf. it is obvious that the SA was involved with this case within hours of the shooting. one wonders how the zimmerman investigation/prosecution would have gone down had it happened in corey’s home district.

  93. Mid-afternoon recess until 2:30 pm, EDT.

  94. He contacted and interviewed Christopher Le Blanc and Allysa Le Blanc on separate days.

  95. Leeland Brunson did not call 911.

  96. Stornes called 911 @ 7:40 pm lasting 1 second.

  97. Tevin Thompson’s phone records are admitted to show that he called 911 and when he did so.

    @ 7:43 pm lasting 1 minute 10 seconds.

  98. He went to the Sheraton Hotel where Dunn stayed.

    The child locks were off when he examined the Durango.

    There was a tripod of some sort underneath a back seat and he was unable to remove it without opening the tailgate door and pulling it out.

    It could not be removed from beneath the seat without opening the door.

  99. J4TMinATL says:

    Childlocks were off? Who turned them off?

  100. He interviewed Tevin Thompson and showed him a photo spread consisting of threel photographs of similar looking people.

    (He should have used 6)

    He shuffled them upside down and handed them to Tevin. He looked down away from him and the photographs so as not suggest a choice.

    He selected Michael Dunn.

    Leeland Brunson selected Michael Dunn and a second person.

    Tommy Stornes picked the same two.

    Their selections occurred separately in separate rooms following the same procedure.

    Based on the identifications, he obtained arrest warrants for Michael Dunn @ 3:30 am.

    After Dunn’s arrest, he drove to Brevard County.

    He interviewed Dunn’s girlfriend. She was cooperative.

  101. Two sides to a story says:

    So I’m a little mystified. They had a photo of Dunn that they showed to the three boys that were with Jordan. And also the cop on the stand. Did they quickly dredge up a driver’s license photo or something based on the license plate number?

  102. Tee says:

    The prosecution is laying out their case perfectly so different from the mess they made of the zimmerman trial.

  103. They decided to interview the three boys separately at the station house in a controlled environment.

    They did not video or audio record the interviews because they did not consider them to be suspects. Didn’t take written statements either.

    Leeland Brunson’s mother was present to support and console him because he was so distraught.

    They did not tell the boys that Jordan was dead until after the interviews were completed.

  104. Detective Muser was the lead detective assigned to this case. The homicide detectives work in 6 teams of 4 detectives and a sergeant.

    Responsibility is assigned on a rotation basis. He was assigned as lead detective because it was his turn.

  105. colin black says:

    When Strolla states to a wittnes……………

    Im not putting words in your mouth am I..?

    He tends to choose inocuas statements from the wittnes isolate them from the context of both events unfolding.

    An from the context of languge an words spolen before an after the phrase he lasers onto.

    An all innocent butter wouldnt melt says you said that?

    Im not putting words in your mouth am I?

    wItness agrees.

    What he Is doing though is placeing thoughts into the jurours minds.

    Effective tactic if used discreet an at crucial points.

    Strolla uses it so often its repetative boreing an no longer working on the jury.
    Like the overuse offf antibiotics they build up resistance to continuous exposure to this one trick ponys hakned style.

    If this Is a fair an unbiased jury he should be convicted.

    Said the same thing about foggens trial for Executing TRAYVON.

    And we know how that turned out.

    • Trained Observer says:

      “I’m not putting words in your mouth, am I?”

      Am longing for the wit who says, “Yes, you are. I never said that or anything close. What I said was …. “

      • fauxmccoy says:

        check the testimony from the assistant manager at ‘the gate’. he tried that trick with her repeatedly, they had clearly had an unpleasant deposition experience. once, when he asked her that question in court, her response was ‘not today’. it was pretty close to what you are suggesting.

        i get the impression that a number of these witnesses have already had enough of strolla via depositions. chris le blanc was another to watch.

  106. Strolla Cross.

    Strolla is insulting this guy because he can, but not to any good end because nothing this witness said is in dispute.

    Best cross would be “no questions.”

  107. Gun mechanics . . . to show that it works.

  108. Ex 105-R is the correct photo showing the location of a shell casing on the floor next to the mat.

    While standing outside the vehicle, he spotted the 9 mm Taurus semiautomatic in the glove compartment.

    There were 5 live rounds in the gun magazine.

    Hollow point ammunition.

    • J4TMinATL says:

      Girlfriend got back into car and they drove to his condo with the glove box open?

      Come on with the microphones. Idiot Corey.

  109. Phillip Miranda.

    He’s a crime scene investigator with the Brevard County Sheriff’s Office.

    He was called to a residence in Brevard County on 11/24.

    He was called at 4:30 pm and arrived at 5:15 pm.

    He went to Dunn’s condo on the beach and took photos of the outside of the residence and Dunn’s car, which was in the garage.

    He saw no damage.

  110. dee truth says:

    Let me be redundant and repeat – Strolla is so very irritating. And was Dunn born with that look or did he develop it after years of being mean, hateful and bitter?

    • Two sides to a story says:

      I watched the video of Tommy Strones testimony last night. When the camera pans to Dunn during it, I expected him to look defiant, but he looked pained, as if he regretted what he did. But who knows, maybe he’s only pained for his predicament.

    • Malisha says:

      By age 40 you have made your own face.

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  113. Malamiyya says:

    O’Mara was insinuating and devious, West was maddening and devious. Strolla is clearly bugging people here. Is it the native job of a defense attorney to use any trick at his disposal to get a client off? Is there a higher road? If there is one, Professor, how did you find it and stick to it for thirty years? At your leisure, I’d appreciate it if you would lay out what kind of defense attorney you respect and what kind you don’t and why.

  114. Sidebar conference requested by the judge.

    Noon recess.

    Court will resume at 1:05 pm EDT.

  115. Trained Observer says:

    What was the point of the levity over “three” officers?

    • Lynn says:

      His point..complied.
      Her point…assault rifles will make you do that.
      His point…but there were only 3???

      • Trained Observer says:

        Hmmm … doubt jurors found it all that worthy of grins. Am confident Jordan Davis’ parents were not amused.

      • fauxmccoy says:

        @lynn … i’m thinking just 1 assault rifle would ensure ‘compliance’, not quite sure what strolla accomplished here.

        this prosecutor was on her A game with her objections and the very simple but to the point re-direct. i’m liking her so far.

  116. Strolla cross.

    This should have been “no questions.”

    This guy has nothing significant to offer that he did not say on direct.

    The prosecutor (Wolfson) is doing a good job of making appropriate objections and the judge is sustaining them.

  117. Deputy Siniscal

    Brevard County Sheriff’s Office.

    Brevard is 167 miles south of Jacksonville.

    He served the JSO arrest warrant for Michael Dunn.

  118. Cross by Strolla:

    Focuses on the child-locks and whether he was instructed to photograph them.

  119. Two sides to a story says:

    I swore I wasn’t going to follow any of this, but listening and taking an occasional peek while I’m working on another screen.

    5000 Angelenos for Kelly Thomas at 4 PM at Hollywood and Vine. Hope there’s 5000! Nice sunny day so far.

    • Boyd says:

      That would be great

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Yes – I think it’s important to keep his death and the death of others killed unfairly by police fresh in the national conscience – and conscriousness – until police are prosecuted the same as any citizen when they commit crimes on the job.

  120. Homicide detectives contacted him at 7:40 pm on 11/27 and asked him to meet them at the JSO garage to check out a metal fragment on the floor next to the rear passenger side of the Durango.

    He called it a projectile because it was a substantially complete bullet rather than a fragment.

  121. fauxmccoy says:

    Morning folks … My husband thanks you all kindly that he was awakened to the sight and sound of shyster strolla ;). Will now trouble him for a cup of Irish breakfast since he is awake and all.

  122. Next witness is Detective William Whittlesey.

    He went to the JSO garage to examine the Durango.

  123. dee truth says:

    Not that it has anything to do with anything, but Strolla is so irritating.

  124. neveragain says:


  125. Lynn says:

    Subject to recall until we bring up the Dunn car photos.

  126. Corey objects to Strolla’s question about the trajectories of the bullets that pierced Jordan Davis’s door and the trajectory through the body.

    He previously admitted that he had not reviewed the ME’s report.

    Corey objected as beyond the scope.

    Objection sustained.

  127. Finding My Way says:

    why does Strolla seem so upset with the techincian?

  128. LOL, the fact that this guy is not a crime lab analyst is actually better for the prosecution, given the current problems with crime lab analysts!

  129. Strolla may be mining some gold in this hypothetical 2nd crime scene.

    • blushedbrown says:

      Good Morning Fred,
      I haven’t been following this case, but I am watching the trial online today cause’ I happened to be home today, anywho my reply to your comment is, he might be mining but its fool’s gold. If there was a weapon in the car at the time of the shooting wouldn’t anybody’s first reaction to someone shooting at them be to shoot back. Like I said I haven’t been following the case but I would like to know if anyone can answer what is the time frame from the time of shooting to 911 calls. Did they actually have time to dump a weapon? Wouldn’t it be protocol for law enforcement to search nearby for any other evidence?

      • fauxmccoy says:


        🙂 so nice to see you again, long lost blog friend!

        there are defense claims (i consider them weak, however) that the investigators did not block off and search the portion of the parking lot to where the durango went to escape gunfire on the night of the crime. while this may be true, the unbiased testimony from the brother/sister team yesterday really blows this defense theory out of the water. that said, there’s no telling what a jury will decide.

      • Great to see your fonts again, blushed brown.

        Answer: mere minutes as in less than 5.

  130. The hypothetical 2nd crime scene is a reference to the location where the Durango stopped and the 2 boys got out.

    Corey missed an important objection.

    Characterization of that location as a “crime scene” assumes facts not in evidence.

  131. J4TMinATL says:

    Technician thinks back door 3 shots were fired when parked and the front 3 were fired as truck was backing up.

  132. Strolla’s got a tough job to discredit this witness in any significant manner.

  133. money1424 says:

    is this guy serious!!!

  134. J4TMinATL says:

    Strolla…Every witness lacks training….

  135. Lynn says:

    The morning seems to have the theme of bullet casings/fragments and no weapons found…can’t wait for the next series of pics of Dunn’s car with bullet casings found in the car and on the windshield with the gun, nun chucks, and a silencer in it 🙂

  136. Unfortunately, Corey neglected to ask Det Kipple about the height of the gun when the high shot penetrated through the rear and ended up hitting the visor on the driver’s side.

    I believe the shooter would have been standing rather than sitting in his car.

  137. bettykath says:

    I’ve been pondering the question of why some (armed) white men are so intimidated by unarmed Black teens. Are the men really that impotent? Are the teens really that powerful? Things are really out of whack.

    • ZCBest says:

      Some have actually bought into the created myth (created by their great grandaddies and all his old boys club buddies) that black teens are out to destroy them. That they really are the sons of gorillas and have no tact, can help but to pillage and are committed to destruction of them as the true rulers of this earth. Hog wash.

    • J4TMinATL says:

      That’s what I was trying to get at yesterday to say that the jury has to wonder the same thing…what in the world would cause Dunn to go insane…if jury believes that no one was armed and there was a minor exchange between them. I think we all try to find reason and logic in situations where there is none and are left to try and figure out why this man lost it.

    • Liza says:

      Dunn wasn’t intimidated, he was enraged. This kind of overkill is clearly about rage not fear. Dunn is a southern white male who believes black people should defer to him. He was disrespected and he snapped, who knows why? There are a lot of men who think the same way as Dunn and they don’t snap, they just vote for Republicans and express their grievances to people who agree with them.

      In the 1940s, 50s, 60s, and maybe the 70s Dunn could have done this and gotten away with it in the South on just a white man’s word that he had been threatened. Dunn is only 47, but he lives in those times. The South is still full of white men who think like Dunn.

      I grew up on the Southside of Jax (in the 50s and 60s) just over six miles north of the intersection where Jordan Davis was murdered. I’ve known a lot of racists in my time. Dunn isn’t special, but like I said, most of them don’t snap like Dunn.

    • Malisha says:

      I believe Dunn came from the wedding having just been “shot down” by a young male. Could be his son. Anyway, he was in a challenged-testosterone state, and of course, someone like Dunn naturally thinks that young African American males are among the people our society will permit the killing of (witness Fogen’s trial and especially Dershowitz’s overwrought reaction to the Murder-2 charges). So he was low-testosterone on a Friday evening and had to vamp himself back up before enjoying that bed and breakfast he had paid so much for, with his girlfriend who expected a little action. That is the heart and soul of white-privilege-colored impotence. It’s “I know I couldn’t get this here backy-harvest done without my big strong slaves, but I won’t admit that, ’cause I need to look like ‘THE MASTER’ or my gal won’t look up to me.”

      SOmeone like DUnn has earned disrespect by the time he has reached middle age. But he cannot tolerate the reality.

  138. Ex 96 displays the trajectory of the 3 bullets that penetrated into the rear seat of the passenger area.

    • Anne says:

      I have been following the Dunn trial. I have a question concerning the trajectory of the first 3 bullets to the rear passenger door. If the Durango and Jetta were parked side by side, meaning, that Tevon Thompson and Michael Dunn where sitting directly next to each other, why then, does the overview picture of the dowels in the bullet holes of the vehicle appears to show an almost straight line but with a slight angle to the right? Is it possible and/or questionable that that angle could be attained by Dunn firing from his driver’s seat/position? Or is it possible that the passenger door was somewhat open to achieve that angle. I am just curious and looking for any clarification on this. If I had more expertise with trajectory, I would know that answer, but unfortunately I don’t. Thanks in advance.

  139. This ain’t Iraq, but sure looks like it. Simply remarkable he didn’t kill a whole bunch of people. And then what the actual fuck. He goes to a hotel and orders a pizza?

    Oh. Break time. Been going for 1.5 hours, and at this rate, the thing could go on for days.

  140. Exhibits 87-89 photo showing dowels outside the vehicle displays the trajectories of the 9 shots.

    Dunn had to be standing up when he fired the three shots at the fleeing vehicle.

    • Trained Observer says:

      Dunn: I was so fearful for my life that I exited my car, stood tall, and fired off a few more as the Durango high-tailed it.

      Damn, but I feel manly. Bulls-eye from a distance, not just when those loudmouths were plum next to me, eyeball to eyeball.

      Guess I’ll have the girlfriend order me a thick crust once we mosey on south to our B&B. Nothing like a one-sided shootout to whet the appetite. With any luck she’ll be impressed with my gunnery and I’ll get a little after the movie,

      No need to notify the cops about this dust-up, though. I’ll just slide on out of this lot all nice and easy, and nobody will ever be the wiser.


  141. #90 Dunn was standing when he fired, and the car was moving away.

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  143. Liza says:

    Does anyone know whether or not Dunn was offered a plea deal?

  144. None of the three bullets that hit the front door penetrated into the interior of the passenger compartment.

    That’s why the passenger was not injured or killed.

    • J4TMinATL says:

      Why do you think they didn’t penetrate the front door?

      • crazy1946 says:

        J4TMinATL: After hitting the front door at an angle, then going thru the glass, there was not enough velocity to continue thru the last layer of metal and hard fiber board of the interior door panel… IMO Or perhaps we should just consider it luck of the draw and the other kids were not meant to die at that time?

        • bettykath says:

          Witness said that the front door had more metal. It was stronger.

          • J4TMinATL says:

            Those holes in the front door are huge. Scary huge. I guess that makes sense that the front has more metal and a stronger cage to protect during crashes.

          • MDH says:

            The holes are huge because a frangible non-jacketed round spreads upon hitting a hard surface. A full metal jacketed round would punch a small hole not much larger than its diameter.

      • MDH says:

        Murdermen like Dunn and Zimmerman use frangible rounds that split up into fragments upon hitting a surface, thus shredding the internal organs and tissue of the victim. They are unlike jacketed rounds which are designed to penetrate and go through as many targets as possible that are in the line of fire. An example of that is the full metal jacketed round {the magic bullet} that traversed Kennedy and Connoly. A frangible round will break up upon piercing the outer shell of a door with the bits created not having kinetic energy to traverse the interior materials. Zimmerman’s point blank round ended up as fragments that did not penetrate past the pleural cavity. The fragments were all located either behind the pericardium or lower right lobe of the left lung. IOW, the shot had to be at right angle to the plane of TM’s chest. Because these round shred tissue, there would be no way for the heart to create any significant pressure, thus rendering the victim immediately out. I state this because jacketed projectiles can punch a well defined small hole in a heart wherein the victim still can have some blood pressure. Defenders of Zimmerman use these out of context examples to make that cock and bull story about TM saying “you got me”, standing up and stepping back to fall in a place that does not have him lying on that concrete.

        • J4TMinATL says:

          Thank you for explaining that.

          Are their two guns capable of shooting jacketed rounds?

          What types of handguns shoot jacketed rounds?

          • fauxmccoy says:

            A pistol, revolver or rifle can shoot either type. You can purchase different ammo for each gun that will behave differently according to the desire of the shooter.

          • J4TMinATL says:

            Thank you Fauxy! Why would someone not purchase jacketed rounds? Expense? Hard to find? Uneducated like myself?

          • fauxmccoy says:

            beyond my scope, j4. i buy what my father bought and his father before him. i stick with what i know.

            in theory, the hollow rounds (which zimmerman used, albeit his were cheap and nasty) are ‘safer’ because they do not ‘pass through’ the target (uggg, that feels so horrid to type, having never shot at anything other than official targets) and risk injury to non intended targets. i will never know as i am a creature of habit, at least when it comes to firearms.

          • MDH says:

            I am pretty sure they can. But I am not versed in hand guns. My experience is more along the lines of different types of projectiles and what they do.

            The gun people push a frangible round because, in a self-defense situation, one hit in the chest area will put the victim/assailant down and will not pass through to hit other things.

            The ego based logic being that “hey, I never miss”.

            Adrenalin due to fear makes that assumption weak.

            Whenever I got into a fight situation, my hands were shaking to the point where motor skills were seriously diminished.

            The Godfather scene where Michael has to help Lorenzo light a cigarette after they buffaloed a hit team drives that home.

            IMO, outside of their guilt, these self-appointed heroes like Dunn or Zimmerman are a menace to society. Dunn just emptied his magazine without any regard to bystanders. That’s what tunnel vision fed by fear does.

          • J4TMinATL says:


            “Whenever I got into a fight situation, my hands were shaking to the point where motor skills were seriously diminished.”

            This is something I experienced interning with a police department in college. And one of the main reasons I made a decision not to become an officer. I knew I wouldn’t be able to handle the feeling of the adrenaline and fear I experienced during interning.

            There have been times during verbal arguments that I felt my hands shaking, heart racing, etc after argument ended. It’s uncomfortable.

  145. State’s just got evidence out the ass. Devatsating. Shows Dunn got out of the car and kept shooting even.

  146. Exhibit 61 displays the use of dowels to demonstrate bullet trajectory. It shows that the bullet likely would have struck the driver in the back of the head, if he had been sitting upright and erect. The bullet hit the visor.

    Ex 68 shows 2 bullet fragments he recovered from the dash on the driver’s side.

  147. Would have killed driver with shot to the head, had driver been seated upright. Attempted murder, twenty to life. Preferably LWOP. Asshole can’t splain that shit away.

  148. bettykath says:

    Bullet hit the visor near driver’s head.

  149. Ex. 56 shows a bullet strike through the tailgate with exit and reentry through metal in the rear quarter panel.

  150. bettykath says:

    I thought chronological order referred to time order. Witness is using it specifically as NOT chronological. More accurate wording would be in order beginning at the back. Chronological is the wrong word and misleading given the context.

  151. He thoroughly searched the rear storage area of the hatchback and did not find any weapons.

  152. Unbelievable. I have believed from the beginning that Dunn was trying to kill everyone in the car, but hadn’t seen the photos.

    In fact, it’s amazing he didn’t kill a bunch of people in the parking lot too.

    • bettykath says:

      Right. Although if they hadn’t left the area Jordan may have ended up with 9 or 10 shots in him.

    • J4TMinATL says:

      I didn’t realize how close the cars were parked to each other until yesterday….or how close Dunn parked to the Durango since he got there after them.

      Wow that dowel…tells me that he continued to shoot even as they were completely backed out and the truck was perpendicular driving away while no one was shooting at him.

      Pass the coffee!

  153. J4TMinATL says:

    I’m glad that Thompson made it considering 3 bullet holes in his door.

    Smallest shotgun is 18 inches…..

  154. Classic.

    “How big is a shotgun, even if it’s sawed off?”

  155. 3 in the front passenger door and 3 clustered together in the rear passenger door.

  156. He describes and circles on the exhibits 9 bullet strikes in the passenger side and rear of the SUV.

  157. He was trying to kill everyone in the car. Not just Jordan Davis. And, it’s amazing he didn’t.

  158. He went through the front and back seat area of the vehicle and did not find a weapon.

  159. Huge holes…a 9mm. You do that to a car, then drive to a hotel and order pizza?

    • Trained Observer says:

      The girlfriend left her Cape Cod chips and wine purchase plus her change behind to run TOWARD the bullet barrage. Who does that?

  160. J4TMinATL says:


  161. State’s exhibits 12-18 show shell casings he found in the parking lot.

    (total of 5 casings with some multiple shots)

    One exhibit shows a shell, unfired bullet.

  162. Detective Kipple

    He’s a major case technician.

    He photographed evidence at the scene.

    Dispatched to the Gate gas station at 9 pm.

    Police vehicles were blocking all entrances and yellow crime scene tape surrounded the perimeter.

  163. annnd…Michael Dunn needs to change into a suit. Just. Sayin.’

  164. This discussion illustrates the inviolate nature of the evidence.

  165. Angela Corey needs to fire her hair colorist.

  166. They are discussing a minutia type of problem.

  167. Oh please, not her, this early!

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