George Zimmerman is back in the news

Thursday, January 23, 2014

Good morning:

George Zimmerman is back in the news today with yet another paint-by-numbers masterpiece.

CNN describes his latest work:

The painting, a swirl of bright red and yellow, shows Corey with her fingers pinched.
The caption, in all caps, says, “I have this much respect for the American judicial system – Angie C.”
It’s an artistic depiction of a much-reprinted photograph of Corey from the news conference when she announced the charge against Zimmerman.

Brother Robert Zimmerman, Jr., announced the new painting on twitter. Details about when and where he will offer it for sale will be announced today.

90 Responses to George Zimmerman is back in the news

  1. Stormwatch says:

    Looks like professor Leatherman nailed it. Again.

  2. Stormwatch says:

    It concerns a painting of Angela Corey.

  3. Stormwatch says:

    Have not been here of late. Please forgive. Just saw a story at http://www.sun-sentinel.com that says Zimmerman has been served with a cease and desist on selling one of his paintings. Apparently, he ripped of a photographer for copyright infringement or something along those lines. Hope you are all well. Hugs

  4. O/T: The hearing on the motion to disconnect Marlise Munoz from the ventilator will be at 3:15 pm this afternoon, CST.

    We will live blog the hearing, if it’s broadcast live stream.

    http://www.ksla.com/category/248253/live-streaming-video

  5. Two sides to a story says:

    Sorry for the double post – I’m having lots of problems with WP.

    The Z camp claims Phillips won’t be able to do anything because of the way the photo was released. We’ll see.

    • Depends on whether his paint-by-numbers constitutes a fair use of the original.

      I wrote about the fair-use doctrine in The plot thickens regarding the provenance of Zimmerman’s “original painting”

      I believe EarlG at Democratic Underground has demonstrated the process that George Zimmerman used to create his “original painting.”

      I also believe that he fraudulently misrepresented that he created it. A person cannot take another person’s work, tweak it a bit, and legitimately claim that they created it. In order to legitimately claim they created the work, they would have to change it in some significant manner. I do not believe the process that EarlG described meets that standard.

      Finally, we cannot forget that the value of his “original painting” is based on his claim that he created it. If John Smith were offering it for sale at an ebay auction, I doubt it would sell for more than $20.

      As I’ve said all along, I believe Zimmerman’s effort to sell his “original painting” is an attempt to commit criminal fraud and not protected by the fair-use exception to copyright law.

      Definitive conclusions require further investigation.

      Here’s wikipedia on the fair use doctrine.

  6. Lynn says:

    Just curious, but I don’t recall that quote from Angela Corey’s press conference announcing his arrest. To chose that quote with her name following it seems like she said it and not Fogen. Could there be a defamation issue or libel? Again, I’m clueless to the law.

    • I am not expecting this paint-by-numbers episode will attract as much attention as the first one did. It’s certainly hideous and rather nauseating to look at.

      I am not expecting to see it offered for sale at an ebay auction because I doubt he got paid $100 K for his first effort. Assuming anyone actually paid money for it, I suspect ebay’s percentage was not worth the trouble they endured.

      Suing GZ wouldn’t make any sense because I doubt he has any assets and who cares what he thinks.

      Besides, Corey isn’t likely to suffer any damages to her reputation because of what he said.

      The elements of a cause of action for defamation suffered by a public official are:

      False statement about the public official;
      Actual malice (i.e., knowledge that the statement was false or reckless disregard for the truth);
      Injury to reputation
      Causation (i.e., false statement proximately caused the injury to the reputation)
      Damages (i.e., monetary damages)

      • Left this in the new thread too – the photog has engaged an attorney for his copyrighted photo – ha!

      • Malisha says:

        But hey, some of the racists will not contribute to her next few political campaigns; that’s damages right there!

      • towerflower says:

        Jr. has hinted that this one will not be sold on ebay but to private parties interested in his paintings. He also hinted about possible prints being made.

        • Two sides to a story says:

          Jr. mentioned t-shirts on Twitter too. They had big plans afoot for this painting.

        • concernedczen says:

          The fact that they are not selling it on Ebay indicates to me that the winner of the last painting didn’t pay for it and therefore Ebay didn’t get their fee, so now Zimmerman owes several thousands of dollars to Ebay and is therefore barred from using that website again.

          • groans says:

            Are you saying that Ebay is entitled to a % of the highest bidder’s bid, EVEN IF the bidder fails to go through with the purchase? Wow. And does the bidder get barred for his/her failure to make the purchase? Is the rationale to prevent Ebay from being used and/or exploited by frauds?

            Thanks. (I’m Ebay-challenged….)

          • fauxmccoy says:

            @groans — when selling on ebay, the seller is responsible for paying a percent of the sale to ebay for their listing service. if for some reason, the buyer does not honor their commitment, then the seller must jump through some serious hoops in order to avoid having seller fees taken from their account.

            in this instance, the seller fee would be about $250. remember though, that zimwad offered to deliver the painting personally. seller fees are generally paid on a monthly basis and not deducted from the sale by ebay. it is the seller’s responsibility to keep their account current so that they are not suspended.

            under a limited set of circumstances, a seller can request a credit for the sellers fee, but it’s not necessarily a simple, straight forward or guaranteed process.

            my own suspicion is that zimwad delivered the painting, collected whatever payment was offered (as many of the bids struck me as shill or fake bids by friends) and then stiffed paypal for his seller fees.

          • groans says:

            Thanks for the great explanation, fauxmccoy. Presumably, eBay is capable of protecting itself from the likes of this deadbeat. Another bridge burned … hopefully so, anyway.

  7. dianetrotter says:

    If Zimmerman was in danger during the trial, why is he not afraid now. I would think it would be easier for someone to get to him. Where is the fear? Mocking the prosecution probably fuels someone’s anger.

  8. jodiwankanobi says:

    isn’t it funny that all those ‘crazy’ people that george had to spend all his money protecting himself from have never shown their faces. Instead the only people he has had to use his guns to ‘protect’ himself from are his wife and girlfriend.

  9. Malisha says:

    OK so wait a minute. WHO is Fogen’s “romantic obsession” — is that Zueza?

  10. kenteoth says:

    What an embarrassment to the human race he is……

  11. Christy O’Connor has a new video with a new eyewitness coming forward claiming that Fogen carried a gun during the confrontation at Shellie’s father’s home and that he gave it to Samantha prior to the truck search.

    http://zimmermanverdict.net/the-walking-man-investigation-1-of-2/

  12. fauxmccoy says:

    i posted this on the older, more appropriate thread, but believe it to be timely. also posting it here because above mentioned ‘art work’ leaves me rather cold. H/T to cielo for the article

    – – – – – – – – – – –

    “According to the medical records we have been provided, the fetus is distinctly abnormal,” the attorneys said. “Even at this early stage, the lower extremities are deformed to the extent that the gender cannot be determined.”

    The attorneys said the fetus also has fluid building up inside the skull and possibly has a heart problem.

    “Quite sadly, this information is not surprising due to the fact that the fetus, after being deprived of oxygen for an indeterminate length of time, is gestating within a dead and deteriorating body, as a horrified family looks on in absolute anguish, distress and sadness,” the attorneys said.

    http://www.chron.com/news/texas/article/Attorneys-Brain-dead-woman-s-fetus-abnormal-5166403.php

    there is no way that this will end well.

    • Rachael says:

      Nope, no surprise at all.

      • Rachael says:

        Hopefully the dead body and her child can rest in peace soon.

        • fauxmccoy says:

          i hope so as well, rachael.

          it is hard for me to put my finger on what is the most disturbing aspect of this whole fiasco, but i can identify one of the strongest. that is, regardless of the outcome of fetus viability, the body of marisa munoz will summarily be discarded as no longer important to those who would continue ventilation and nutrition to a corpse. this poor husband/father must be going through hell.

          • Rachael says:

            I agree faux. If he wanted this, that would be one thing. I would still disagree entirely, but for him to not want this and be forced to tolerate it, it is emotionally damaging to him and his other child. As well as financially and perhaps physically as well.

          • roderick2012 says:

            The most disturbing part of this case is the hypocrisy of the pro-birthers.

            Last year in Texas there was a pregnant 16 y/o teenager wanted to be emancipated from her parents because they wanted her to have an abortion, but she wanted to carry the pregnancy to term.

            The judge not only ruled in the teenagers favor but forced her parents to pay half of her medical bills.

            Of course this flies in the face of parental consent laws which require girls under 18 to get their permission to have an abortion.

            The pro-birthers only care about the opinions of the parents if they want to prevent their underage daughter from having an abortion.

            It’s basically heads the pro-birthers win. Tails the pro-birthers win.

          • fauxmccoy says:

            @roderick

            i was unaware of the other case you mentioned, but you summed it up correctly with the heads/tails tale. as the hypocrisy of the forced birthers is a given in my view, i did not even include that in my ‘what is most wrong with this picture’ analysis above. it’s a constant.

          • roderick2012 says:

            @Rachael

            Do you mean that the fetus lovers aren’t chipping in to pay to keep the incubator alive?

            It’s shocking that the pro-birthers are all talk. (sarcasm)

          • Bet the pro-birthers would turn their backs on supporting the mentally-challenged, crippled person that baby would become.

          • Rachael says:

            Got that right

          • Malisha says:

            Do you mean that the fetus lovers aren’t chipping in to pay to keep the incubator alive?

            Uh… “Do you mean that the fetus lovers aren’t chipping in to pay to keep the incubator “alive” and the dead woman unburied?

          • roderick2012 says:

            @ 2sides,

            Here’s a case that was lost during the Terri Schivo debate:

            Tuesday, March 22, 2005 Sun Hudson, a six-month old Texas baby died last week when health care providers at Texas Children’s Hospital in Houston, Texas removed his life support system over the objections of his mother. The action was authorized under the 1999 Futile Care Law which was signed into law by then-Gov. George W. Bush.

            Under the Texas Futile Care Law, health care workers are allowed to remove expensive life support for terminally ill patients if the patient or family is unable to pay the medical bills.

            Sun Hudson’s mother is dealing with the aftermath of that law. “This hospital was considered a miracle hospital. When it came to my son, they gave up in six months,” Wanda Hudson told reporters how she was forced to give up medical control of her son. “I talked to him, I told him that I loved him. Inside of me, my son is still alive.”

            The hospital had blocked the media from the child, despite mother’s invitation to see the baby. “I wanted y’all to see my son for yourself. So you could see he was actually moving around. He was conscious,” she said.

            The event stirred national attention as it sparked comparisons to the Terri Schiavo case in Florida. A victim of severe, and otherwise terminal brain damage, Terri Schiavo’s future is locked in a legal battle between her husband who wants to remove life support and her parents, who cite religious reasons for keeping their daughter alive.

            Yes wombbuggers as soon as you pass through the birth canal you’re on your own. You’re no longer a fetus so the pro-birthers don’t give a damn.

            http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Texas_baby_removed_from_life_support_against_mother's_wishes

          • Ironically, some of the pro-birthers probably would argue that a premature baby should not receive medical assistance because it might foster an attitude of entitlement and reliance on government funding.

          • fauxmccoy says:

            wow @roderick — you could not have made your point any better. it does appear that all that is important to some folks is the fetus, a baby … not so much.

            it all comes down to control over women’s bodies as far as i can tell. this current texas law literally makes pregnant women second class citizens 😦

          • gblock says:

            While the comparison of the baby Sun Hudson case to that of Marlise Munoz is well taken, taking the baby off of life support wasn’t necessarily a bad decision, based on the information given. It is possible that the mother had an unrealistic picture of the baby’s condition. However, it appears that the baby was not brain-dead at the time,

    • Girlp says:

      So very sad… 😦 if the child is even aware they are in the world they probably won’t live very long if they make it alive into this world….if the baby lives the state should pay all expenses.

    • This is a horrifying story that saddens and angers me.

      I feel bad for Erick Munoz and disgusted with the hospital’s conduct.

    • gblock says:

      Apparently, the Texas law prohibits suspending “life-sustaining treatment” on a pregnant patient. So it is questionable whether the law should apply to this case at all, since the patient was already dead. I heard a brief interview on NPR with the state legislator who sponsored the law. He said that it should not apply to a brain-dead woman, but would apply to someone who is in a persistent vegetative state.

      • Yes, the distinction is important in this case, given the wording of the statute, because Marlise Munoz was clinically dead (i.e., no brain activity) when EMT’s responded to her husband’s 911 call.

        They did not know that when they attempted to resuscitate her and took her to the hospital. A team of neurologists in the hospital has to make that decision.

        Thus, the question: How can she be a patient when she was dead on arrival (DOA)?

        Of course, this is a thicket of medical and legal definitions that miss the point because I do not believe philosophically that it should matter whether she was alive or dead when she arrived at the hospital. The point is that she died when the fetus was only 14 weeks old and unable to survive on its own outside the womb.

        Nevertheless, this stupid law that never should have been passed created the issue and there it is in bright lights for all to see and wonder about.

      • fauxmccoy says:

        yes, gblock, i had read similar accounts. while you and i may be in agreement on the fact that munoz is now a corpse and cannot therefore be a patient, texas has not issued a death certificate for her. let’s hope that sanity prevails in the court room today, but i have little faith.

  13. roderick2012 says:

    I agree with Piglet but for different reasons of course.

    I hope Angela Corey burns in hell along with her minions Bernie and John Guy, Judge Nelson and all of the defense witnesses who perjured themselves to assist in Piglet’s acquittal.

  14. Rachael says:

    His slimeball attorney is back in the news now too, representing a firefighter serial rapist. I think I hate MO’M more than GZ even, because he was in a position to stop so much of the thuggification of Trayvon but instead encouraged it. Can you see what he will do to the victims of this animal? He is a monster. He is not even a human being. I understand GZ and this rapist are entitled to a defense, but Trayvon and his family were not entitled to be treated as they were, especially by the egging on of MO’M and I’m sure as anything he will do it again to the victims of this rapist.

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-mark-omara-deltona-firefighter-rape-20140122,0,1481727.story

  15. bettykath says:

    Gee, I’d love to get national media exposure for my art work. Of course, I have no notoriety, so I wouldn’t get $100,000 for it, but still…………

  16. Hi again, Crane-Station here. Fred and I are going to go out and see if we can resolve his computer issue. Bear with us, it is quite cold, but we hope to resolve this today and be back to regular discussion with the blog.

  17. Malisha says:

    Hmmm. I wonder if he could get a “false light” lawsuit out of this.

    Naah, she’s a public figure.

    Remember: PUNISH EBAY.

  18. YvetteEU says:

    I still think that I’m just having a dream , well nightmare ,with this psycho murderer. SMDH

  19. towerflower says:

    It made the local news last night in Central Florida. They were quick to show the actual photo he copied.

    • Girlp says:

      So he copies photo’s makes little changes and calls them his own…oh what a sociopath is Fogen. I guess he’ll start writing poetry next.

  20. Trained Observer says:

    Fogen’s blown it again since timing is everything: Justin Bieber grabs today’s Florida spotlight.

  21. racerrodig says:

    Yep…..can’t wait for the inevitable arrest of Fogen for something. I believe I will paint a picture……latex, magic marker, lacquer, it really doesn’t matter, of Fogen in a fast walk with his phone to his ear and his pistol in his other hand and the captions……..

    “…..are you following him”
    “……uh, yeah…”
    “…we don’t need you to do that…”

    and

    “The pursuit of Life, unarmed black males, Liberty, the deprivation of, and Happiness…..my own self gratification that is.

    Maybe we should all become artists…..lets face it, Fogen has not used an original ideal, he simply takes others work. At least mine is novel……and based on fact.

  22. Hi! Crane-Station here, aka Rachel, commenting on Fred’s screen.

    Isn’t he biting the hand that feeds him? Seriously, if he has anyone to thank for his (infamy) and fortune, it is this woman, right?

    • It’s interesting to speculate what would have happened had Fogen never been prosecuted. Probably still in his little dead-end life and getting deader all the time, not that all this infamy and blood money is doing him any good, From the looks of what he says on twitter, he’s having a gay old time at the moment.

      • I may have misstated. I think the prosecution, under Angela Corey’s purview, threw the case. It seemed to me to be more of a ‘show trial’ for appearances, than anything having to do with justice, so that is why I do not respect or trust her.

        • Two sides to a story says:

          I agree, Crane. She’s just part of the status quo in FL, mostly.

        • ladystclaire says:

          I agree with you 100% Crane-Station, this woman was following the orders set forth by the governor of that wretched state and, therefore she by passed a grand jury and, charged him herself without any benefit of an investigation. she misled this family, making them think that she was in this, seeking justice for their child when she knew all along, that she wasn’t. I don’t trust, respect or even like this woman. she is nothing but a two faced hypocrite. BDLR and John Guy will never have my respect either.

          These people should be ashamed of themselves, the way they made a mockery out of this country’s Judicial System, since we are suppose to be a nation of laws. they couldn’t have been more transparent as to what they were doing, all through out that farce. the way BDLR and John Guy was questioning witnesses, was downright idiotic and, they just wasted the taxpayers money putting on an act. I hope GOD will deal with them as well. IMO, Angela Corey deserves whatever Fogen dishes out to her corrupt fat ass.

  23. Malisha says:

    The “Psychopath rag”:

    Oh poor me poor me.
    Somebody done me bad.
    I ain’t got what I was spoztaget
    Boo hoo hoo hooo hoooo.
    How come I ain’t king?
    That’s what I want to know!
    When after all I should be
    allowed to run the whole show.

    Folks should worship me
    and never stop their praise
    and never criticize me
    because all I do is right.

    Whoever doesn’t do what I want
    is wrong and bad and lying!
    And that’s why I am telling this sad tale
    that I hope you’re buying.

    ‘Cause if you don’t see things my way
    you’re a bad person too.
    And then everything that happens to me
    can just be blamed on YOU!

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