Open Thread

Sunday, November 17, 2013

Good afternoon:

I’s a batten-down-the-hatches day because we are under a tornado watch in western Kentucky with extremely bad weather forecast for the midwest.

Some topics that may be of interest:

1. Lake Mary PD announced they are not going to charge George Zimmerman with a crime;

2. Spike Lee has been sued by the people whose address was erroneously identified as George Zimmerman’s in a message he retweeted;

3. In response to millions of health insurance cancellations and accusations that he lied when he promised people could keep their plans, President Obama has announced that people will be able to keep their substandard health insurance plans for another year creating a monstrous headache for actuarial calculations and decisions to price new plans; and

4. Why did Mars lose it’s atmosphere and water?

121 Responses to Open Thread

  1. Lynn says:

    AGG ASSLT WEAPON- DV

    BATTERY DV

    DAMAGE PROP- CRIMINAL MISCH

    • Lynn says:

      Broke a table, pointed a shotgun at her, pushed her out the door and barricaded himself in/or her out.

      Let’s hope it wasn’t that shiny new keltec shotgun given to him on his last visit.

      Police are awaiting a search warrant to look for 2 guns.

  2. Lynn says:

    ~IF~ released on bail tomorrow, at least the SAO sounds like they’ll ask for his gun until this is resolved.

    “Presumably Zimmerman will appear before Seminole County Judge Fred Schott tomorrow at 1:30 p.m. in Sanford and learn more about the case against him and whether he will remain locked up.

    Chris White, chief of operations for the State Attorney’s Office in Sanford, said he had received no paperwork from the Sheriff’s Office, detailing what happened but that if the case involves domestic violence, he would likely ask that Zimmerman be barred from having access to guns, should a judge allow him to go free.”

  3. Trained Observer says:

    Another bright spot: Sanford PD not involved … this is a Seminole County sheriff’s office gig.

  4. acemayo says:

    Is the pregnant woman OK

    • lurker says:

      Most everything is pretty speculative at this point. Based on the name/address provided to the police during the altercation with Shellie, it would seem that the gf is the same blonde who was there (believe that her name is Scheibe). TMZ is citing unnamed insiders for the info that she says she is pregnant. Most reports say that the 911 call will be made available shortly–which seems to be pretty much the case in FLA (except, of course, for the 911 calls in the Trayvon Martin case, which were actively withheld).

    • aussie says:

      So far “claiming” to be pregnant, doesn’t say since how long ago, no mention of ambulance being called. Guess she’s OK (apart from getting involved with him in the first place).

  5. Dave says:

    Even a misdemeanor domestic violence conviction will lose him his gun rights.

  6. aussie says:

    Oh no. OH NO . OH NO.

    TMZ reckons the girl friend is pregnant. I soooo hope they are wrong. The last thing the world needs is another GZ

    http://www.tmz.com/2013/11/18/george-zimmerman-arrested-domestic-violence/

    • aussie says:

      One bright spot though

      “Since she’s pregnant, we’re told the domestic violence charge is automatically listed as a felony. The Seminole County Sheriff’s website says Zimmerman is not eligible for bail.”

    • Trained Observer says:

      Aussie — If indeed this idiot GF is preggers, let’s hope she’s been sleeping around and the kid belongs to someone else. Family Fogen is one herd that needs to be thinned.

      • aussie says:

        This may have been a good starter for an argument… either the pregnant bit or the whose is it question.

        f course she’s been with him for a while so may have learnt a few tricks, and the whole claim could be just a play for sympathy from the cops.

        I hope she’s not. Otherwise, poor kid, whoever the sperm donor is.

  7. Trained Observer says:

    Fogen: “Hello/. Mark? Mark O’Mara? …”
    O’Mara’s office: “I’m sorry, all our phones are disconnected.”

  8. lurker says:

    According to law enforcement sources — which have been involved with the Zimmerman case since day one and have always been reliable — Zimmerman got physical with his girlfriend earlier today, who claimed she was pregnant.

    Since she’s pregnant, we’re told the domestic violence charge is automatically listed as a felony. The Seminole County Sheriff’s website says Zimmerman is not eligible for bail.

    Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/11/18/george-zimmerman-arrested-domestic-violence/#ixzz2l1uQqLfo

  9. towerflower says:

    At least this time the cops (sheriff’s department) put him in cuffs and charged him. Sooner or later the blame game he does will get old and people will start to see him for what he is.

  10. lurker says:

    Can it now be said that, despite all verbiage from Robt jr, O’Mara and the gaggle over at the treehouse, the great threat to George Zimmerman comes not from the NBBP, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, the liberal media, Spike Lee or innumerable black youths armed with deadly concrete sidewalks? The one unyielding threat to George Zimmerman is George Zimmerman himself. He has a penchant for over-the-top behavior stemming from a controlling personality and uncontrolled temper. The fact that Southern Institutional Racism allowed him to skate on murder has only deepened his denial of his own problems, which, it would appear, are many.

  11. acemayo says:

    This person tell us what cream puff GZ is

    Justin-6320 at 1:08 PM November 18, 2013
    Caught speeding TWICE in a month.
    Arrested for assaulting a cop.
    Identified by a family member as a repeat pedophile.
    Murdered an unarmed kid walking home from the store.
    Fired for his aggression and violent attitude.
    Issued a restraining order for his aggression and violent attitude.
    Blew through $300k donated for his defense.
    Lovely wife committed perjury in a court of law and took a plea deal to avoid FELONY CHARGES.
    And now arrested for assaulting someone else.
    The hero of the racist rightwing strikes again! LOL
    – See more at: http://discussions.orlandosentinel.com/20/orlnews/os-george-zimmerman-arrested-20131118/10?page=2#sthash.XEPmKT02.dpuf

  12. sparger says:

    I’m sure the new girlfriend is a lying liar who lies. George is the only truth teller in all of Florida. Also this Jesse Jackson’s and Al Sharpton’s fault.

  13. Brandy says:

    sorry, meant to say smirking expression on his new mug shot

  14. Brandy says:

    Did you notice the smirk on his ugly evil face! He is a full blown sociopath!

  15. Brandy says:

    Zimmerman was just arrested in Florida!! Thank God no one was hurt. They need to keep this dangerous man off the streets

  16. Girlp says:

    Seems the incident involves a gun….how long before he kills someone again.

  17. Rachael says:

    You have NO idea how happy I am today to hear this news!!! I knew it would happen eventually and the best part is, no one got killed!!!! He probably won’t be held long, but he sure will never be “free” again.

    I was so depressed this morning because of things – but now I am happy, happy, happy!!!! This is THE best news I’ve gotten in a long time. I’m sorry someone got hurt, but she had to have an idea of what she was in for and like I said, at least he didn’t kill someone this time. YAY YAY YAY YAY!!!!!!

    • Trained Observer says:

      It’s difficult to generate much pity with anyone hanging out, sexually or otherwise, with scum like Fogen.Hope she’ll press charges, and if she’s pregnant, let’s hope it’s not by him. .

  18. That rat child killer in Florida has been arrested and is being booked in Fla.

    That’s all I know. May justice be served…

  19. MDH says:

    Any time karma bites that turd in the ass, I feel like breaking out some happy music.

  20. J4TMinATL says:

    GZ has been arrested after disturbance call

  21. lurker says:

    towerflower–I just saw that and headed here first to share. Apparently the charges are for domestic abuse and the accuser is a girl friend (not Shellie). Not clear if she is the same one who accompanied him to the house the day he was getting all frisky with the gun in his shirt.

  22. towerflower says:

    George Zimmerman was just arrested in Apoka, FL. No details yet.
    http://www.myfoxorlando.com/story/24000425/zimmerman

  23. ay2z says:

    More US media interest.

    CNN to air the Rob Ford interview tonight on AC 360. He’s got the US attention, like Zimmerman, he’s playing with media he has more chance to control in a softball toss. His campaign for re-election has begun.

    A CP release”

    The mayor has remained defiant, showing up at a CFL game in Toronto on Sunday and doing interviews with U.S. media networks Fox News and CNN.

    Ford has previously admitted to smoking crack cocaine “in a drunken stupor,” but in excerpts of an interview aired on CNN’s “New Day” Monday, he admits to having “smoked some crack sometimes.”

    The full interview is to be broadcast Monday night on the show “Anderson Cooper 360.”

    • lurker says:

      Rob Ford is a major piece of work. One Canadian commentator that I read put the blame for his election on redistricting that lumped suburban areas into Toronto. Apparently something about him resonates with those folk–or at least works to divide the opposing vote in some way. Apparently his chauffeur was arrested early in the scandal under suspicion of being the purveyor who provided Ford with drugs. However, pressing charges against hizzoner is more difficult, even with his open admission. Apparently Canadians are pretty lax in their drug enforcement and would prefer more accommodating laws but for fear of the US closing the border should they go there.

      Still an open question as to whether there are potential candidates who could defeat him in the next election–and no legal remedy (such as a recall) in the interim, unless he were to resign.

  24. ay2z says:

    What do Harvard University students know about Canada?

    (found on today’s Canadian National Broadcasting website slash newsblogs today about a little questionnaire by The Harvard Chrimson, here’s the HC youtube)

  25. towerflower says:

    With #2, Spike Lee has also filed a motion to dismiss their lawsuit. He had settled shortly after the tweet with the homeowners and had them sign paperwork releasing him from any liability resulting from the tweet. He settled with them for $10K and issued a public apology, he also had in the agreement that if anything else comes up it would be filed in New York–they filed in Florida.

  26. ay2z says:

    Rob Ford’s views on the homeless. This is is sadly, not a comedy clip. He stands up for the little guy?

  27. ay2z says:

    Crane and Fred, clear skies last night and today here, so sending this along your way.

    Take care.

  28. ay2z says:

    Guess who is FOX USZ’s newest sweetheart?

    • ay2z says:

      Apparently the bufoon’s priorities, once asked to not walk in the Santa Claus parade tossing out candies to the children, he also abandoned any plan to attend on the sidelines with his two young children and instead, opted for a booze-up-photo-op as a regular guy in the stands at the Eastern Grey Cup football final. Leaving his battered, physically and now as we see, emotionally, wife to take the kids on her own.

      While the big US comedy shows have their fill, and while the likes of Dr. Drew turn their addiction shows into trash talk prime time mis-infoshows.

      Why turn to FOX? Good Canadian investigative journalism is why.

      Conservative party here hasn’t touched him for his behaviour and drug use, drunk driving admissions or bringing organized criminals into the mayor’s office literally and using TO’s stationary to give one of the violent criminal friends, a letter of recommendation. (the guy he was, it seems,

      Has Ford brought risk to blackmail and extortion into the most powerful office in the City of Toronto? Is that why he, with no charges whatsoever against him, saying can’t talk becuse its’ before the courts”?

      Something is coming down the pipe, and Ford is not playing the admit, get help and recover to rebuild, he’s heading right into election mode and lawsuits against the city of Toronto’s now well unified council in their stand against his irratic behaviour and refusal to take a break for help.

      Not US business, but FOX is courting a new sweetheart since losing the zimmy brohers, they now have the Ford bros.

      Want to know the real investigated story up to the crack video part, anyway? Who was extorting who?

      Look up The Fifth Estate, CBC.ca. If not for this story, for good investigative reporting.

  29. ay2z says:

    1 😦

    2. 🙂

    3. So they are saying because Mars is not bi-polar, is the reason the dust storms could disrupt the atmosphere? 😉

  30. acemayo says:

    what’s going on with GZ lawsuit againt the new station
    or him trying to get his court cost pay for

    • Two sides to a story says:

      Acemayo – the NBC suit is still in progress. The Seminole County court hasn’t made a peep about Fogen’s court costs or the sanctions that the defense wanted against the prosecution.

  31. CarolMaeWY says:

    Hope everything is okay for Frederick and Crane.

  32. aussie says:

    This takes careful reading. Don’t forget to read the punchline, which you see when you hover the mouse over the image.

    http://xkcd.com/937/

  33. Xena says:

  34. acemayo says:

    Moon Mining Rush Ahead?
    A commercial space company wants the U.S. government to give it lunar mining rights.
    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/11/131113-lunar-property-rights-bigelow-nasa/
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/2838996249001/private-space-firm-wants-to-own-part-of-the-moon/
    ——————
    Companies hoping to mine the moon’s huge stores of water ice can likely do so legally, experts say, though firms may want to hold off until new legislation grants them explicit title over whatever lunar muck they dredge up.
    The Outer Space Treaty of 1967 seems to permit extractive activities on the moon and other celestial bodies, according to space-law experts. But it’s not entirely clear that mining companies would own the stuff that they extract. That fuzziness could be a problem for outfits contemplating a moon mining endeavor, which could have initial costs running into the tens of billions of dollars.
    http://m.space.com/10621-moon-mining-legal-issues.html
    ——————–
    Future Rock Stars
    Asteroid mining? Others scoff, but Planetary Resources doesn’t think it’s that far out.
    http://seattlebusinessmag.com/article/future-rock-stars

  35. colin black says:

    Yes Millions of years ago Mars had oceans an atmosphere thick if not thicker than ours in oxegen.

    Plant life probably an microscopic life at the very least.

    How ever as Frad said being smaller than Earth its molten core cooled.

    Or maybe never got hot enouight to begin with to cause nuclear fussion to ocour .

    Many think the pressure at the earths centre plus heat is enough to trigger a nuclear reaction at the core .

    Forinstance we may have a virtual star at the centre of our planet spinning an produceing an magnetic field just as our Sun Sol does

    In fact the heat at the centre of the Earths core is hotter than the surface of the Sun.

    Mars cntre its molten spinning dybamo cooled an its magnetic force field ceased .

    Allowing Mars atmosspere to be eroded away ofer a couple of million years by solar winds.

    It s still got remnant of an atmosper but its shallow an weak forinstance them dust devil whirlwinds you see in mars.

    Are so weak that on earth it would barley ruffle your hair more than a child blowing on you.

    A lot of water remains though frozen as ice.

  36. colin black says:

    Hope Cranes health stops its decline an every day passing the more crane feels fine.

    An in no time at all this illnesss will no longer cause your spirts to drain .

    Cranes a hundred percent better will be the refrain no more paine this condition is on the wane.

    An your lifes shall continue In an even better vein for once again you’ve come out the other side .

    An people whom support you hear shall offer there acclaim.

    Soon come Crane peace soon come hame.

  37. A huge tornado just missed us while causing massive damage to Brookport, IL

    That was very scary.

    • Xena says:

      Please, stay safe. We have tornado watches in our area. It stormed all day yesterday and earlier today — thunder — kinda odd for this time of year.

      • crazy1946 says:

        Xena, Young lady, please stay safe.. You are too valuable to lose!

        • Xena says:

          Crazy1946. Bless your heart. Thus far, no tornadoes here. I have a basement — which reminds me, I need to tell my son to clean up his “man-cave” room down there because tools are laying out all over the place. Just imagine being safe from a tornado but getting hit in the head with a power saw. LOL!!

          • crazy1946 says:

            I can hear his response now, Mom hang on to my saw, I don’t want to lose it… You must remember the male brain does not function the same as yours..

          • Xena says:

            LOL@crazy1946. He’s more likely to ask me to hold on to the nails and screws, and while I’m at it, separate the small from the large, wide from the narrow, etc. 🙂

          • crazy1946 says:

            Xena, here’s the deal, if you hear a tornado coming run upstairs and grab a mattress, come back down to the basement, gather all his tools and etc into a pile, throw the mattress over them and then lay on top of mattress to protect the tools…. You must remember tools are hard to replace… 😉

          • Xena says:

            HA! Crazy1946, my mattress is king size. It took two burly men to move it upstairs. LOL!!

            The man cave has its own corner that my son is in the process of building a door for, (the reason for the mess). The weather has calmed down here. Maybe the man-cave will be a project for me this week. 🙂

  38. crazy1946 says:

    Has anyone else noticed how many articles and stories that involved historical information on the Zimmerman family have simply gone the way of the dinosaurs? There is not even a Wikipedia page left to be found with the bio of Robert W. Zimmerman Sr. It seems as if all the back ground information about them has been removed from even the news sites that I had linked.

    • Xena says:

      @crazy1946. Hadn’t noticed. I picked up on Papa Zim’s appeal to investigators to stop investigating that he has some training in using influence. Also, based on Mama Zim’s communications in English, I figured her employment was by patronage.

      So, George’s parents worked in the judicial system. He has an uncle that works in insurance and another uncle (or maybe the same one) that is a Sheriff. According to Papa Zim’s website, the daughter lost her job with the government after George’s bond was revoked.

      But George? He works as a bouncer, a used car salesman, and mortgage approval.

      More than Papa Zim’s background, I wonder why he didn’t help George get gainful employment like he did Mama Zim and the daughter.

      Junior? He seems to make it just find in whatever it is that pays his bills.

      • crazy1946 says:

        Xena,

        “I wonder why he didn’t help George get gainful employment like he did Mama Zim and the daughter.”

        Some how, I suspect if we could actually find out what lead Sr. to exile George Zimmerman to Florida, we would have a clue to the answer to that question. Something serious happened in Virginia, that we may never know about… I finally have started back to digging into Sr.’s past, attempting to understand what he is holding that gives his family a “get out of jail free” card.. It may sound strange, but I am starting to guess it is a combination of something that both he and his father were involved in.. The only common link that I can find to both is the possible involvement of Sr. in operation Condor in Latin America. His father (Robert Walter Zimmerman) was a high ranking operative in the early years of the CIA and was stationed in Peru at the time of the inception of Operation Condor. This was the period that Sr. was born, and if what I have found is accurate he was born in Lima, Peru while his father was stationed there at the embassy. We knew that George had dual citizenship, but were not aware his father did as well. more to follow as I dig, but only things that I can verify as accurate…

        • Xena says:

          @crazy1946. I’m not sure that Papa Zim is able to pull strings — won’t give him that much power. What I have contemplated is that the feds want everything they can get against George. If that is true, it’s not a get out of jail free card, but a get him in prison for life opportunity.

          • crazy1946 says:

            Xena, I think you underestimate Sr., he may appear weak, but he does have contacts that were made during the time he was in “service to the government” and quite possible has information that if released would do major damage to the stature of our nation! However you may be correct, time will tell. One thing that I would bet a cup of coffee on is that nothing will be done about George Zimmerman for about another year… Too much politics involved..

          • Xena says:

            @crazy1946.

            One thing that I would bet a cup of coffee on is that nothing will be done about George Zimmerman for about another year… Too much politics involved..

            My guestimate is 2 years –too much undercover work involved. 🙂

          • crazy1946 says:

            Xena, I drink my coffee black! 😉

          • Xena says:

            crazy1946. The bet is ON!!! 🙂

          • crazy1946 says:

            Xena, This is one bet that I would love to lose! But after watching the political process in this nation for so man (too many?) years, I fear I won’t! Will we see justice for Trayvon? I fear that we will never see it happen…

          • Xena says:

            @crazy1946. I’m an optimist and one of those people who believe that faith, hope and love are the greater of all things. Even when there is evidence of oppressive acts, I never give it power to change my internal being to rob me of those things that are eternal.

            Then too,there is karma for those such as Zimmerman. We’ve already seen “the real” George Zimmerman exposed since the verdict.

          • crazy1946 says:

            Xena,

            ” I’m an optimist and one of those people who believe that faith, hope and love are the greater of all things. Even when there is evidence of oppressive acts, I never give it power to change my internal being to rob me of those things that are eternal.”

            I am quite aware that you are an optimist, that is one of the many things I admire about you! On many things I am optimistic, but some things require that a dose of reality be used when you study them. Politics is one such thing, optimism is good but being objective keeps one from being misled by what you see on the surface. We are however each unique individuals and will do what we are comfortable with, as well we should. I have a little bit of reading to do this evening, so I will bid you good night, and wish you sweet dreams..

          • Xena says:

            @crazy1946.

            On many things I am optimistic, but some things require that a dose of reality be used when you study them.

            Being optimist is not an exchange for reality. Rather, it’s living in the reality — kinda like taking lemons and making lemonades.

            Politics is one such thing, optimism is good but being objective keeps one from being misled by what you see on the surface.

            When it comes to politics you might say that I’m neutral. Long history here in that area. Remember, I’m from the state that sent the most governors to prison. If you’re talking about the judicial system, I can tell you that elected judges have a political system to themselves. But politicians overall can be here today on an issue, and there tomorrow on the same issue.

          • crazy1946 says:

            Xena, Thanks for the reply. I always enjoy your reading your opinions and ideas. Perhaps at some point we can debate philosophy and it’s effect on our individual state of mind. I have much to do today, so will wish you a good day..

          • Xena says:

            @crazy1946.

            Thanks for the reply. I always enjoy your reading your opinions and ideas.

            As I also enjoy reading your opinions and ideas.

            Perhaps at some point we can debate philosophy and it’s effect on our individual state of mind.

            I don’t think you want to do that. 🙂

          • crazy1946 says:

            Xena,

            “I don’t think you want to do that. :-)”

            Hmmm, guess we will just have to see if it happens…

          • Xena says:

            @crazy1946.

            Hmmm, guess we will just have to see if it happens…

            How many years of free time do you have?

          • lurker says:

            I thought that there was a family rift up until the time of George’s difficulties. Perhaps daddy wasn’t sufficiently interested in little George to see that he had employment (or perhaps the insurance adjuster position was the best he could influence, give George being George). Clearly they booted Robt Jr because he is gay–and he claims that George allied with him. My best guess is that the Z. home growing up was a pressure cooker of mess and both sons left pretty much of their own volition. George was happy to drop Daddy like a hot potato minute the verdict was announced (just like he did O’Mara).

            I also have some questions about exactly how far Daddy’s influence extended, or how wise he is. The first couple of attorneys were Daddy-provided. The first one specialized in something completely irrelevant (wills and insurance, perhaps) and had the look of “old family friend.” The second pair was a real circus act.

            Lots of fun to speculate, though.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        crazy1946,

        I posted more than a hundred pages of released evidence and transcripts in one reply post once.

        Here is the link to it:
        http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/30/16775581-george-zimmerman-out-of-money-needs-donations-attorneys-say?pc=25&sp=500#c73866625

        (note: when you get to one of Serino’s interview with gz, the transcriber made an error – The transcriber did not write gz’s slip of the tongue when he said “I hit him”

        Remember how Serino caught that slip and said “Who hit?”

        • You all have thoughtful comments says:

          One of the original links to transcripts that many of were using no longer has the transcripts.

    • looneydoone says:

      crazy1946
      yes, pages, articles,genealogy sites, and stories have been either “revised” and/or removed

      This may prove helpful in your search for info about Robert Walter Zimmermann Becker…husband of Silvia Brull Baralt who was the daughter of Cuban diplomat Mariano Brull Cabellero and Adela “Adelita” Baralt Zacharie.

      It’s his 10 June 1992 Interview with The Association for Diplomatic Studies and Training Foreign Affairs Oral History Project
      http://www.adst.org/OH%20TOCs/Zimmerman,%20Robert%20W.toc.pdf

      His obit lists Robert J. of Chicago and Barcelona as his son. He is buried on a hill overlooking the diplomatic entrance of the Dept of State

      • crazy1946 says:

        looneydoone, Thanks for the link, I’ve started reading it, one thing that it does is provide a little more proof as to the birth place of Robert Zimmerman Sr., as they were living in Peru at the time… Thanks again, feel free to post any link that will help us to figure out who the Zimmerman family really is….

        • aussie says:

          Can someone explain to me, how would it be relevant to RobertSnr’s ability to pull strings, that he was born in Peru? (if he was).

          • crazy1946 says:

            aussie, Knowing that he was born in Peru is not directly relevant to his ability to control, but it is good to know the man’s history to possibly understand how and why he is able to possesses a get out of jail free card for his entire family..

        • looneydoone says:

          Crazy,
          Begin a search using the names provided in my original post…the history of this family is easy to patch together, but tedious work, name by name/relationship by relationship.

          Is it Sr’s family ??? Don’t have any means to establish it as fact, but this particular family is intriguing…spooks, diplomats, doctors, military, shadowy folks spread across the world. Whoever they are, it’s a good read/adventure.

          • crazy1946 says:

            looneydoone, Thanks for your suggestions, I have started to establish links from the Clemence Zimmerman family to the current Zimmerman clan, but so far they are only circumstantial and not sufficient enough for me to claim they are factual.. I try to deal in fact, in matters like this… and don’t want to falsely lead anyone down a path that falls off a cliff. I had a short video that was from a Spanish speaking site, where Robert Zimmerman was addressing them in Spanish and he claimed to be fluent in the language because his mother was Spanish, but the site that I was linked to is no longer available, and I failed at the time to copy the video to my hard drive, my error in not foreseeing that the I-net might be scrubbed of his history and even of his words…

          • looneydoone says:

            Crazy,
            The Clemence Zimmermann/Lilian (Meu) Becker line is a dead end..it’s the Caballero, Brull, Baralt, Zacharie, Hutchings lineage that goes the distance.

            However, a Becker figures prominently Summer of 1938, first Jewish refugee’s to arrive in La Paz, Boliva…courtesy of his contacts within the Embassy in Vienna, Austria. His soon to be wife was one of those refugee’s, Ella Wolfinger (daughter of Nathan and Bertha) Co-inkydink ??? She committed suicide shortly after they married.

            Whoever they might be related to, their family history is a compelling read.

      • aussie says:

        How do we know that this was actually Robert Snr’s father? troll Amajazin started this, to imply a CIA connection. But refused to explain how she figured it is the same family, though I challenged her on it several times. All the names involved are quite common, even in combination (ie same for both husband and wife).

        The oral history guy linked above certainly sounds like CIA — but nothing there to say he’s anything to do with George’s dad. Same as there was nothing to show George and Junior are adopted, which would have involved the supposed mother in having two illegitimate children years apart, between her two marriages…. to the SAME man, as it is obvious the two boys are full brothers.

        If the background genealogy is now not on the internet, the likeliest reason is that the family it belongs to got sick of being dragged into this murder case. With all the rubbish going on in this case, I find it significant that nobody ever picked up and ran with this line apart from Amajazin.

        • crazy1946 says:

          aussie, thanks for your input. Perhaps you might share your direct knowledge of the history of the Zimmerman family? it would be great to get factual history from a reliable source, and not from some one who is a troll. I eagerly await your information, it will give me good reason to stop searching and sifting thru all the rubbish out there that has been said in the past, truthful information like you seem to possess seems to be quite difficult to find on the internet.

        • crazy1946 says:

          aussie,

          ” Same as there was nothing to show George and Junior are adopted, which would have involved the supposed mother in having two illegitimate children years apart, between her two marriages…. to the SAME man, as it is obvious the two boys are full brothers.”

          I have heard that it was possible that George and Jr. were adopted, but never considered that it would or could be relevant in any manner. I am curious about your allegation that they would have had to be “illegitimate”, is it your feeling that only women with illegitimate children give their children up for adoption? Could it not be that a mother would offer her children for adoption if she felt they would have a better life with another family? But I still don’t know what direct effect this would have on my looking into Sr.’s history? Would it not be better to wait until I actually post definitive comments before you attempt to discredit them?

          • Dave says:

            Right. Maybe they were orphans, possibly the children of some relative. There’s not much information to go on.

          • aussie says:

            I recall slogging through the stuff Amajazin was posting, that is now apparently missing. The woman who, according to her, would have been their mother, was listed as being married much earlier, then divorced, then getting married to someone else much later. She was not married at the time they would have been born (unless, I guess, there’s an intervening husband the genealogist didn’t record).
            I Googled the names she was pointing to and most of them came up 8 or 10 times; don’t think even one came up as belonging to just one person, and many had relatives with the same names, too, often in the same relationship (Robert husbands and Isabella wives as an example). So I really don’t believe the story, she refused quite rudely to explain how she figures it’s the right family, and I do think the people she was bandying about withdrew it from the internet to not be involved.

          • crazy1946 says:

            aussie, Unless it is an opinion, and if I state it as a fact, I will give a “valid” link to my source. I may run into a stone wall, I may not find anything, however I don’t feel like I have much, other than time, to lose by making an effort to find answers.. If I post something and claim it is factual and do not provide you a valid link, then please do challenge the statement… I’m human, and as such, I do make mistakes, but unlike many others, I will admit when I am wrong… I have done so even on here when I have made an error, so I won’t stop doing it now… One thing that I do find annoying is when someone takes the words said and twist and distort them to have an opposite meaning.. In a case like that, I can be rather bull headed…

        • colin black says:

          If you listen to Gladices interview in sillohete think it was with peers moron.

          She talks of Robert an George thus verbatim
          …………………………………………………………………………………………………………

          Those boys are family just like my own…..

          Now thats what she said an to me it immplies there adopted.

          The most logical an beleivible Ive heard .,Is that they are both full brothers of Gladices Sister adopted at an age Junior was a toddler an fogagge a bairn in arms.

          As the zimmerclan had no males onlt females.

          They transplanted two from Peru thatl do.

          So Gladice is there Aunt an Senior there mAN FROM u.n.c.l.e.

          aN THATS WAY ABOVE c i a.

        • Two sides to a story says:

          Aussie, I think you may be right. Aja or whatever her handle was, was barking up the wrong tree with the wrong family. I think that family removed their history. I don’t think the Fogen family had much online to be traced to begin with. I think the family has more luck than clout, but that’s just my two cents. He may have more friends and connections than we think, but even those may grow thin with repeated violations – Fogen’s in the news again this morning on a domestic violence charge against his girlfriend..

  39. Shadow says:

    You mean Zimmerman is still out, roaming, looking, hunting for INNOCENT, UNARMED, YOUNG BLACK BOYS??
    What a f*cked up world we live in.

  40. The theory supported by most scientists is that a planet must have a magnetic field to prevent the solar winds from destroying its atmosphere.

    Mars lost its atmosphere and oceans after it lost its magnetic field.

    Unlike Earth, Mars is too small to have maintained its molten core. It lost its magnetic field when the core solidified.

    To test that theory, Maven that will be launched from Cape Canaveral tomorrow. After travelling to Mars, it will go into an elliptical orbit sampling its upper atmosphere.

    • gblock says:

      That’s interesting. Seems like when I was a kid, the reason commonly given in books is that Mars had lost most of its atmosphere due to low gravity. It’s interesting that the actual explanation may be something else. Of course, both the low gravity and the core solidifying are related to the planet’s small size, but they are still fundamentally different explanations.

      As for water, I seem to remember that is still has some, though not necessarily in liquid form.

  41. CarolMaeWY says:

    Stay safe, don’t take chances. Saw the weather pattern on my iPad yesterday. We have a beautiful sweater day in Eastern Wyoming. Have no idea about Mars, only noticed an article but didn’t take time to read. Why doesn’t everybody who retweeted what Spike did get sued? How can they single out just him? Can you single someone out like that in a civil suit and what state? I don’t know what it was so I don’t even have an opinion. I try hard not to think about Georgie, big baby. Forgot the other.

    Hope you have emergency stuff and access to Internet so you don’t go stir crazy. Take care.

  42. commenting says:

    i thought a house address is public information

  43. CarolMaeWY says:

    My main question is how is Crane? 🙂

    • She is feeling much better today. She’s restless and wants to go outside, but the weather is too menacing.

      • Malisha says:

        Over on the Morgellons thread I posted some information my son got from a doctor who treats this and who does “chelating” to clear a person’s system.

      • lady2soothe says:

        Hope all is well with your weather now, you’re both safe and Crane is getting better… Wanted to do an up-date on GZ

        This just in:

        BREAKING: Orlando’s WESH-Channel 2 is reporting, and the Seminole County sheriff’s office has confirmed, that George Zimmerman has just been arrested for domestic violence against his new girlfriend. Since his acquittal for killing Trayvon Martin in July, Zimmerman has had a string of run-ins with law enforcement, including a September 911 call from estranged wife Shellie after Zimmerman allegedly threatened Shellie and her father with a gun.

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