SWAT Team executes 107-year-old man in Arkansas just because they can

Sunday, September 8, 2013

Good morning:

A police SWAT team shot and killed Monroe Isadore, a 107-year-old man in Pine Bluff, Arkansas last night after he fired shots at them through a bedroom door and refused to surrender.

Police responded to a 911 call reporting that Mr. Isadore had pointed a gun at the two residents during a domestic argument. When they arrived, the residents told them that Mr. Isadore was hiding in the bedroom. After escorting the residents to a safe location outside the residence, the police attempted to contact him.

Russia Today has the rest of the story:

When the officers approached the bedroom where he was hiding, Isadore shot through the door. No one was hit, however. Police retreated and called for additional help, namely SWAT officers who then engaged in negotiations with the 107-year-old suspect.

They placed a camera into the room where Isadore had taken refuge to verify that he was indeed armed with a handgun.

Having failed to reach an agreement with the old man, officers fed gas into his room through a bedroom window, assuming Isadore would be left with no choice but to surrender.

The die-hard old-timer began firing rounds at the SWAT officers instead.

The officers broke down the door to the bedroom and threw in a distraction device.

Despite this, Isadore shot at the entry team, whereupon officers returned fire, shooting him dead.

Let’s see. You have a crazy old man hiding in a bedroom surrounded by a SWAT Team and you decide to kill him instead of waiting him out because . . .

This sounds like an unnecessary execution to me.

What do you think?

FYI: Here is a list of all the people killed by police in the US this year together with a brief description of the circumstances. It’s a long list.

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66 Responses to SWAT Team executes 107-year-old man in Arkansas just because they can

  1. James Alta says:

    SWATS have no interaction with the community they are employed by. Only unless they are called by their Superiors to “neutralize” a community member.
    After the fact, an investigation is carried out by the Superiors and the neutralizer is exonerated. Never any names or identities, they are simply put back to “work”. Repeat this process over and over. What you have is domestic America today.
    Question; what does evil smell like?

  2. James Alta says:

    SWAT teams : Americas State Sanctioned Executioners. Guaranteed anonymity. Hell, we’ll even throw in a full face mask.
    Signed: The State

  3. ks says:

    Girlp,

    Here you go! From the AP story at Yahoo:

    “ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — George Zimmerman’s wife has called police to her father’s house, saying the former neighborhood watch volunteer who was acquitted of murder threatened her with a gun.

    Lake Mary Police Chief Steve Bracknell says Shellie Zimmerman called police shortly after 2 p.m. Monday.”

    Bracknell says Zimmerman hasn’t been arrested and officers are at the house trying to determine what happened.

    Shellie Zimmerman filed for divorce last week.

    In the divorce petition, Shellie Zimmerman says she and her husband separated a month after Zimmerman was acquitted of any crime for fatally shooting Trayvon Martin last July.

    Zimmerman’s acquittal led to protests nationwide.”

    ..

  4. ks says:

    This story to me is an example of the absurd militarization of local police forces all around the country. I mean, a SWAT team to deal with a 107 year old dude with a gun in his own home? Really? C’mon now…

  5. Girlp says:

    The report on George Zimmerman is on Click Orlando I cannot get the link right now but will get it when I get home unless someone else post it first.

  6. Girlp says:

    George Zimmerman taken into custody after an altercation involving a gun…Twitter …Michael Skolnik….I’m looking for more information.

  7. Boyd says:

    What’s the rush? DuPont barricaded himself in his house for TWO DAYS. But he had money. Most of you don’t remember this guy. He was a nut driving a real tank around, and well known around the area at the time.

    ERSET, Pa. — John E. du Pont, the eccentric Delaware County millionaire who was convicted of killing Olympic gold medal-winning wrestler at his palatial Newtown Square estate, has died in prison. State prisons spokeswoman Susan McNaughton says John du Pont, heir to the chemical company fortune, was found unresponsive in his cell Thursday morning at the state prison at Laurel Highlands in Somerset County. He was pronounced dead a short time later at Somerset Community Hospital. Du Pont was 72. Du Pont fancied himself a patron to wrestlers and built a world-class training facility at his estate in Newtown Square. In 1996 he shot and killed wrestler David Schultz and then barricaded himself in his home for two days. Du Pont was found guilty but mentally ill and was sentenced to 13 to 30 years in jail. His longtime lawyer, Taras M Wochok, said du Pont had been gravely ill in recent weeks. Wochok talked about du Pont shortly after word was received of his death….Wochok said du Pont was denied parole twice and had another hearing scheduled for March….

  8. Boyd says:

    Funny, I do not recall Police/SWAT coming out to get crazy John Dupont when he was driving that tank around scaring the crap out of his neighbors.

    only a 3 hour wait, He had to be a poor old guy

  9. Boyd says:

    If I were the Swat guys, Id’ jump back in the car and head home. There’s no way in hell I’m playing Navy seal comando on a 107 year old!

    There has to be a Public investigation. I have to know what assault damage the 107 year old did to the residents, and much much more about the relationship. Prior crimimal record. I’ve seen elderly people take verbal abuse, it would not surprise me that he got sick of it.

    The Police can do anything they want.

  10. Girlp says:

    I’m betting he either was developing dementia or had dementia, I have a 99 year old great uncle and his mind has been good until lately. He thinks everybody is stealing from him because he can’t remember where he put anything, he sprinkles broax all over everything even though he does not have roaches and unfortunatley he has a gun. The one thing he has that needs to be taken away he still has.

    • Trained Observer says:

      Dementia or not, this was no way for law enforcement to handle the situation.

      Situation: Beaddled old geeze holes up in his own bedroom with a gun, presumably his own, after tangling with two people in the house, and he ends up feeling as if he’s being assaulted by other unknown intruders all tricked out in warrior costumes.

      This pitiful scenario required some finesse or at least basic smarts from law enforcement.

      Whether someone “that age” should possess a gun is not the point … Whether he was having war-time flashbacks is irrelevant … whether he was a cantankeous coot who needed to be hauled off to an old folks’ home … are all separate issues.

      SWAT cops need to be held accountable for such showboating stupidity.

  11. Boyd says:

    This is a joke. I’ll have to check this out on the net.

  12. Trained Observer says:

    At least the cops he shot at had the presence of mind not to shoot him. It was the SWAT bozos who couldn’t keep their fingers off their triggers. Maybe Fogen can apply for a job with that outfit … he’d fit right in.

  13. The Shadow says:

    I may be wrong, but I don’t think it’s a good idea to shoot at a police officer. They ain’t gonna like it no matter how old or young you are.

  14. Tzar says:

    dude….he’s 107…you get a mulligan if you are 107, even after taking a couple of shots at the police

    • bettykath says:

      Right. Kind of makes me want to give up on the getting old thing. But even apart from his age, 3hours isn’t a very long time to wait out anyone, regardless of age. The priority should be to take him out alive. As long as he was in his bedroom, no one else was in danger.

  15. J4TMinATL says:

    Just sad. Ridiculous.

  16. Trained Observer says:

    Pine Bluff Arkansas, where the old man was blown away, already
    had a reputation for murder and mayhem. Perfect place for Fogen. .

    http://www.inquisitr.com/532225/pine-bluff-arkansas-americas-most-dangerous-little-town/

  17. colin black says:

    Im so happy.

  18. bettykath says:

    3 hours is not a very long time to wait it out. No indication that they tried to contact people who knew him. If the two people who called 911 were social workers trying to remove him from his home and he didn’t want to go is a possibility. Of course they would know what best for him (sarcasm). SWAT teams with lots of fancy equipment seem to like to use it. How many of them are on steroids? We don’t know enough about this to draw conclusions beyond, imo, it stinks.

  19. colin black says:

    It seems possible this elderly gentleman got the outcome he wanted .
    He sounds like a bit of a fire craker whom wasn’t demented at all except maybe by the life he had to endure living in a instituition with people he couldn’t stand,
    His last nerve reached his pain an suffering to much to bear .

    He didn’t have a spitefull bone in his body he never went postal on the auld eejjits whom probably made his life a living hell or shoot any of the carerers whom prolly patronised the heck out of him.

    He decided 107 was good enough for him an used siuiside by cop to achieve his end.

    God rest his soul in peace.

    • Romaine says:

      I thought about that too Colin..really the SWAT team could have waited until he was out of ammo, or tried to contact a family member to talk with him; yet I agree, maybe he just wanted to die.
      Why because how much time can be given to man who has lived for 107 yrs…May he rest in Peace and be forgiven for his last day of Living; he may have used his pistol but he never took a life.

      • Boyd says:

        Count the bullets, that only happens in the movies.

        What the the rush to take him, no one was in the house and he’s not too mobile.

        I cannot imagine the terrible physical damage he exacted on his victims.

        next up a 5 year old or paraplegic for SWAT to take out

    • colin black says:

      Fred it may have been a house but at that age it was most likely what we in the UK refer to as an assisted living complex.

      Elderly people may have there own flats or shared homes but there warden an health care assisted.

      Not quitte old persons home but not a stones throw away from being one.

      • Trained Observer says:

        Colin, it looks like a regular single family dwelling to me. Could be he had roommates. But it’s no complex. Doesn’t even look like so-called public housing

        • colin black says:

          I know but in America I believe they have regular houses called rooming houses.

          That board the elderly and special needs.

          Like the place that werdo R Durst shot an killed another eccentric old coot F Black chopped him up an threw him in the sea.

          Another old dear ran one of thease romming homes for the elderly an vulnerable bumped them off an buried them stacked three an four deep in her garden in amongst her pertunias .
          An carried on cashing there benefits an pensions.

          I just jumped to conclussions but now if its true he lived alone independent at age 107

          An was possably being forceably removed from his home to some home or such.

          Its no longer just my opinion Id bet my bottom dollor he chose to die by suiside by cop than be forced into what to him would constitute the loss of his liberty rights an dignity as a man an he would be right if this indeed was the scenario.

          A man living an copeing for himself at 107 deservises to be cherished an praised not treated like an infant…..Unable to fend for him self .He was fending for himself before any off us were twinkles in our parents come to bed eyes.

        • lurker says:

          TO–there has been something of a movement to house people needing assistance in regular communities. Not always easy–neighbors tend to think that any person with disabilities is a potential criminal, and also fear any atypical family situations. So, a family-type residence could easily be home to several adults receiving assisted living services.

  20. Lynn says:

    Outwit. Outplay. Outlast. This slogan from Survivor the TV show should have crossed the SWAT teams mind. The mental capacity, stamina, and endurance of a SWAT member could take a 107 year old any day. Why couldn’t they have waited until his naptime or nightime, waited until his bloodsugar dropped and his thought process might have given them the upperhand? You use to hear about standoffs lasting days. Nope. Ain’t got time for that.
    Poll a hundred pregnant women today and you will find few that aren’t induced before 40 wks. What’s the hurry people?

    • James Alta says:

      Maybe it’s because Swats have an 8 hour workday and no paid overtime. Seems as if there is a universal 4 hour stand off time limit before they use their state sanctioned deadly force. I’ve seen this scenario play out many times here in the region where I live in the last few years, right in step with the build up of the local paramilitary wings of the police forces. (every county has one of these things.) It is sickening.

  21. kllypyn says:

    What the hell is wrong the the police in this country? WTF. how much of a threat could a 107 year old be to a swat team?

    • colin black says:

      He was goading them to shoot him its obvious.He had his wits an was compis mentis I M O

      He wasn’t trying to kill anyone he wanted them to kill him.
      But although he was fireing most likely intentionaly to miss the officers .

      They wouldn’t know an besides a bullet fired into a roof or pieces of buckshot could hit pipes joists an richochete any where.
      He could have shot through a gas mains an the proceeding gunfire could have resulted in an explosion that killed scores.

      Not a big fan of cops but in this case they didn’t have any wait it out options as this dude wasn’t going to give them any.

      He plannnnnnnnnnned the entire event I m o.

      • kllypyn says:

        Oh i see one of those suicide by cop incidents

      • tblue says:

        But he apparently was not firing all the time–only when the cops approached him. They could have used the camera to wait for him to fall asleep, as he eventually would have.

        I think of the 95-pound schizophrenic teenager who was *already subdued and held between two police officers* when a third one arrived and almost immediately shot him to death (putting the other cops in danger of being shot, too, I might add!). The cop who shot said, “We don’t have time for this” just before shooting the kid.

        It seems that many cops are both *itching* to shoot someone and terribly impatient. Three hours might seem like a long time, but it is not long when weighed against the value of a life.

        Another point, though: if we had humane assisted suicide laws, then people who really want to die would not need to use cops to do it, which all too often puts innocent peoplee at risk of injury or death.

  22. Trained Observer says:

    Besides amall town cops in tricked out SWAT gear taking down an old man, here’s a sickening story about another old man. (I get junk mail for seminars advising on how I, too, can learn how to profit from the tax lein/tax deed –leins or deeds depending on the state — game of land grabbing.) Disgusting.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2013/09/08/left-with-nothing/?hpid=z1

  23. ay2z says:

    This sounds like an unnecessary execution to me.

    What do you think?

    Danmed Right! Is what I think.

    People don’t get it, they would rather kill or arrest someone than preserve life, the SWAT team itches to use their stuff. Like K9’s, they want their bite, but unlike a well-trained police dog, they want the real thing, where the dog wiill have a good play tug substitute.

    Recently we had an elderly dementia (Alz’ situation) kill another elderly man in a carehome. These homes are regulated, and violence can easily happen,.

    But the Mounties got their man, arrested him (no guns are allowed, so that wasn’t an issue), the crown decided to consider murder , and sent him to jail for evaluation.

    The care home staff would know, the man’s physician ‘should’ have known, the nursing staff surely knew..

    The gun, the ability of this man, the rights to stand his ground or whatever the politicians will say, was the problem, the gun in the hands of someone who was unable to think clearly, or couldn’t think as the person he was in the past.

    More guns, need more guns, give little girls pink human shaped targets to entice the frilly crowd into firing ranges to equate pretty pink with shooting at a human form with a bullseye. It’s all about targeting human beings. (story recently about a gun range in Miami offering free lessons for girls, with the pretty pink human shape targets. (why use a human shape if you are learning to target shoot? I did lessons when I was about the age of the girl in the story photo, never shot at human nor animal shape, it was not the point. Kill other humans is the message.))

  24. Here is a list of all the people killed by police this year in the US together with a brief description of the circumstances.

    It’s a long list.

  25. Two sides to a story says:

    I’m all for apprehending people alive even when they’re armed and I believe PDs go overboard almost 100% of the time.

    Medasausi is right – once police were called, the guy didn’t stand a chance.

    On the other hand, live by the sword, die by the sword. Karma sometimes trumps all. Fair? I dunno. If we could look back into previous lives, maybe we’d see things that allow the present to make more sense. Or not. Life is full of absurdities and paradox. Like killing someone who survived to be 107!

  26. aussie says:

    You are 107. Or 67. Or 37. The cops show up when you are hiding in your own bedroom. They throw in gas to make you sick. They make all sorts of threats to you. You don’t really believe they will not harm you if you come out, considering what they’ve already done so far.

    Should you feel you are in danger from them?

    Of course you should.

    Makes no difference they were cops, he was standing his ground against a large contingent of people who had already harmed him and who therefore he had no reason to trust to not harm him if he came out.

    • Important information is missing in this story. I’m wondering about the identities of the two people who called 911, why they were there and whether police attempted to contact someone who knew the old man to act as an intermediary.

      I’m assuming it was the old man’s place.

      • lurker says:

        Seeing the use of the term ‘residents,’ I took it that this was a boarding house or care facility.

        Still gotta ask–was this someone who should have access to a gun?

      • colin black says:

        Shoot am reading comments from the bottom I thought he was in assited care 107 is kindda old to be on your own?

        What was the argument?

        Me thinks.
        Your moveing out your to old .

        Reletives wanting to have him commmmited to state care an plunder his treasues .

        Who knows like you say lot of info missing but I think he wanted to die either that or shoot the fuckers screwing him over.

        But 107 not a bad innings .

        And lets be honest when your aged 107 your not dieing by inches your dieing at the speed of light.

        An in the end the only person dead was himself an he chose his time an method an his choice of death by swat.

        Bit off a Fly Auld Guy suiside by swat.

        • I think you’re right. He probably decided that the only way anyone was going to get him out of his house was in a box.

          Unusual time, however, for family to attempt to take him to an old folks home.

          Next question is whether he accurately perceived the situation.

  27. Good afternoon, everyone. Poor guy didn’t stand a chance once the police were called. I agree with what everyone else has said: they tried to negotiate with him (which is rare these days) before taking him out.

    But more importantly, what caught my eye, is that Pine Bluff police (a city with a population of only about 49,000) has buffed up neo-tech urban warfare equipment. I don’t know how to post the picture from the article here, but what I gather from it is that they spent a lot of moolah to equip their SWAT team with all the latest gear. I’m sure that a MRAP (mine-resistant ambush protected) vehicle was probably somewhere in the vicinity.

  28. racerrodig says:

    I see 2 issues here.

    1) He’s 107 BUT did they know that fact. Assume they did know he was old (at that age I’d probably have enough energy for 2 pulls of the trigger) they have to take a logical approach and wait him out. How long would he stay awake at that age ?? How much ammo does he have, an arsenal or one gun load?? Could they have fed a sleeping agent into the room ?

    2) I doubt they broke any laws as he fired on civilians and the police. If you fire or even point a gun at an officer, they have the legal right to open fire. This is a tough one for anyone in this situation.

    If you read the article it looks like the police did everything they could to end this without shooting him, he didn’t want to comply. They used a camera, talked to him, used a gas to get him less deadly and tried to enter the room. One can assume this was over a time span more than mere minutes, so there is a waiting him out period. HE opened fire 1st……

    • lurker says:

      Sounds like suicide by cop to me.

      Probably could have made different choices, but I don’t know if the ultimate outcome would have been different.

      How’d he happen to have access to a gun, anyway?

      • roderick2012 says:

        lurker: Sounds like suicide by cop to me.

        Probably. The guy was just tired of living and many of the important people in his life (spouse, friends, children, maybe even grandchildren) were dead and no one visited him any more.

    • Rachael says:

      I agree

  29. dianetrotter says:

    I wonder ho long it took from the arrival of the first officers through the execution. Could they have possibly tried to reach family or medical experts for advice. If the guy had some form of dementia that would make it hard to reason with him.

    • Trained Observer says:

      The Christian Science Monitor indicated about three hours passed from when the fracas started and regular cops were called and when the dufus SWATers took down their 107-year-old quarry.

      That was after they gassed him. Apparently they were inept at that, as well.

  30. Judy75201 says:

    If they had “waited him out” and he nevertheless continued to shoot blindly through the walls & door, that would have been reckless and irresponsible. I don’t think his age matters. His actions did.

    • I believe he fired at the cops when they attempted to enter the bedroom.

      No one would have been in danger, if they withdrew to a safe perimeter and waited.

      • roderick2012 says:

        FL: No one would have been in danger,

        He pointed a gun at two residents then he barricaded himself in his bedroom.

        Why didn’t he just drop his weapon and leave with the police officers.

        The old coot was having some WWI flashbacks and he wanted to die.

    • Trained Observer says:

      Age does matter at 107.

      Sooner or later the old man would have run out of ammo and/or steam. Worst case risk would be that he turned the gun on himself or set the house on fire

      It costs little (compared to the tab for the forthcoming inquiry) to wait out an aging dementia victim’s endurance.

      Clear the area, and come up with something other than a knee-jerk shoot ’em now plan.

      The team “leader” who orchestrated this fiasco needs demotion to a desk job if not getting his/her ass canned first.

  31. Trained Observer says:

    Sounds like uniformed gun nuts in action to me.

    On a vaguely related note, maybe Fogen can get licensed as a lobbyist to help Florida’s governor out on this initiative:

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/09/07/3611683_p2/fred-grimm-another-loser-challenge.html

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