Mark O’Mara will be billing the State of Florida $200, 000 to $300,000 for costs in Zimmerman case

Tuesday, August 27, 2013

Good morning:

The Orlando Sentinel reported late yesterday:

George Zimmerman, the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who killed Trayvon Martin, plans to ask the state of Florida to cover $200,000 to $300,000 of his legal expenses, his attorney told the Orlando Sentinel Monday evening.

Because Zimmerman was acquitted, state law requires Florida to pay all his legal costs, minus the biggest one: the fee that goes to his lawyers.

That includes the cost of expert witnesses, travel, depositions, photocopies, even that animated 3-D video that defense attorneys showed jurors during closing argument that depicts Trayvon punching Zimmerman.

Florida Statute 939.06 provides:

Acquitted defendant not liable for costs.–No defendant in a criminal prosecution who is acquitted or discharged shall be liable for any costs or fees of the court or any ministerial office, or for any charge of subsistence while detained in custody. If the defendant shall have paid any taxable costs in the case, the clerk or judge shall give him or her a certificate of the payment of such costs, with the items thereof, which, when audited and approved according to law, shall be refunded to the defendant.

(emphasis supplied)

The Orlando Sentinel is correct. The statute does not authorize reimbursement for attorneys fees.

I do not doubt that the costs are substantial, but the statute limits them to “costs or fees of the court or any ministerial office.”

O’Mara will have to submit a cost bill itemizing the costs and fees that he has paid or owes to others and the Judicial Administrative Commission will decide how much it will pay.

In most states the cost bill is submitted to the trial judge for approval and then presented to a state judicial commission that decides how much it will pay.

I imagine that the JAC has well established rules and guidelines regarding what it will pay and how much it will pay.

196 Responses to Mark O’Mara will be billing the State of Florida $200, 000 to $300,000 for costs in Zimmerman case

  1. colin black says:

    Shellies probation will be as lax an innefecient as trunkmoms.

    Half hr monthly visits at an undisclosed location.

    They will claim special treatment as Shellie is at risk an could also lead the path to foggage.

    Security don’t you know cant have here mingleing with the peasants an Bhlack folk in the waiting room.

    Every mnth the probation office will file a meaningless list of BS

    Subject is not consumeing alchhol nor drugs subject is meeting all requirements blah blah blah.

    ….

    • colin black says:

      One subject of her probation should prohibit her from owning a firearm or being in a residence were firearms are acsessable..

      She would be banished to an out house while foggage snuggles up with his guns.

  2. JJ says:

    It’s amazing how Fogen looks on his tour of the gun factory that manufactured the gun used to kill Trayvon. Fogen doesn’t look fat & unable to hurt a flea. Wonder if they used makeup, clothes to make fogen look weak at the trial.
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/scarborough-warns-gopers-after-zimmerman-gun-factory-visit-dont-embrace-him-as-a-hero/

    • Xena says:

      That photo was Photoshopped. The head is from the photo taken in the hospital with Junior. It’s too big for the body they put it on and it’s also a different color from the neck and hands.

      • roderick2012 says:

        I don’t doubt your conclusion that the photo as fake but what would be the purpose of the photo op and who would go through the trouble of photo-shopping a picture which caused O’Mara heartburn?

        We all know that Piglet is a loose cannon but do you think he’s attempting to severe his ties with O’Mara by being passive aggressive in that he wants O’Mara to dump him as a client now that he’s been acquitted? Before he comes into possibly big money if O’Mara’s motion to be reimbursed is granted?
        If Piglet drops O’Mara at this stage then that would mean some reconfiguring of the civil lawsuit against NBC.

        Who will defend Piglet if the Martins decide to file a civil lawsuit? Wouldn’t Piglet want someone as slimy like O’Mara who seems to enjoy smearing Trayvon as his lawyer where everything is fair game.

        Remember O’Mara’s spokesperson stated something to the effect that the photo op was ‘not part of their public relations plan’ which revealed more than they intended—O’Mara still fear that bad publicity could adversely affect a civil trial or that the Feds may still indict Piglet.

        • Xena says:

          @roderick2012. Actually, I think Kel-Tec was trying to get some publicity and free advertising. By using a Kel-Tec to kill an unarmed 17 yr old, GZ gave them a bad rep.

          As far as O’Mara’s PR plan, there is nothing — absolutely nothing that can paint GZ into being a great guy.

    • Girlp says:

      $50 a month plus a one time payment of $263.00 by Jan 2014. Other requirements typical of what I’ve seen of probation, if she violates probation she could go to jail. No glasses of wine, no can of beer, no MJ, can’t leave the county without permission from probation and Community service

  3. ay2z says:

    Misdemeanor ivs felony. So how honest will her husband and his lawyer be about the money in their JAC claim, makes you wonder.

  4. Good morning, everyone. I just read a tweet from the Orlando Sentinel that Shellie is to plead guilty today to misdemeanor perjury in exchange for 1 yr probation.

  5. Soulcatcher says:

    And this is what I think Omara and his team should recieve.

  6. Susan says:

    So, I suppose O’Mara will argue that “of the court or any ministerial office” should be construed as inoperative, superfluous, void or insignificant statutory language? Good luck with that! (Not)

  7. Soulcatcher says:

    I’ll bet most if not all would say they have no regrets, and would do it again, after all it was all part of Gods Plan.

    In fact 2 comments I read are: The state should buy George 5 guns so he can get rid of all the crime. And: The reimbursent should come from Obama, Holder, Corey, Sharpton, Jackson, and Oprah. No white person should pay.

    • Xena says:

      @Soulcatcher. Just goes to show their ignorance. The people they mentioned could probably spend $300K in one day without it hurting them financially. OTOH, GZ could not pay $35K in debts without using other people’s money.

      • Soulcatcher says:

        You know I had to ask on OS, and here the reply so far to my question if anyone wants to be reimbursed.

        none Cash4Trash , thats why I sent him my money so he could live on with his life. Wassa matter no one ever gave you anything so you are upset he got something?

        And my answer

        In fact, I have been given more than you can dream about ever recieving. I didn’t kill to recieve it is the difference.

        • Xena says:

          @Soulcatcher. GZ has no class and is bad handling money. He’s the type of person who could win a million dollar lottery today, and be broke and in debt next year.

        • Two sides to a story says:

          I’m sure they’ll all yell about Shellie being railroaded into probation. She told the truth, ya know! :/

  8. ladystclaire says:

    His peter pan account that he set up by scamming RACIST IDIOTS out of money, was set up under the guise of paying for a defense, when he hadn’t even been charged with anything.

    O’Dirty even set up a beg site for him as well so, he should have used that money for his defense instead of paying off his debts. I wonder how do those who gave him money feel about this little tid bit.

    • Rob_UK says:

      They are fine with it imo. The right-wing racists that sent Zimmerman money probably don’t care that he spent their money on living lavishly and paying off his debts. They probably wouldn’t care if he spent their money on coke, prostitutes and gambling in Vegas. All they cared about, was helping him to get away with murdering a black kid. Now that he has gotten away with it scot free, they are probably unconcerned with what he has done with the rest of the money. They are probably happy for him to spend it on treating himself for a “job well done”.

      Hunting down, interrogating, instigating a physical altercation with and then shooting a young black male dead after he screamed and begged for his life, is their ultimate fantasy, that they themselves would dearly love to live out, but didn’t dare to, because they were afraid of being sent to prison for it. They get vicarious pleasure from Zimmerman actually living out their fantasy, so they want Zimmerman to profit from the murder and be rewarded with a happy and prosperous life. They also want him to live well because they know how much that will upset and sicken all Trayvon Martin supporters, especially black people.

  9. ay2z says:

    Tomorrow, up ‘n at em’. Hurry up and apologize already for charing the poor woman, she was just helping her poor innocent man. 😉

    08/22/2013 NOTC NOTICE OF COURT PROCEEDING 8/28/13 9AM 5C

  10. colin black says:

    Well our PM Camerons up for it.

    Say we cammot stand by idly whilst Syria breaks a 100 year pact not to use chemical weapons.

    Mmm didn’t the world stand idly by when Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons agains the Kurds living in Iraq.

    Yes we sure did we say pictures film vt of entire Kurdish Towns decimated by chemical attacks up to 25 thousand Kurds dies due to chemical weapons an the true numbers more like a hundred thousand.

    Only thing that the world would not stand back for was when Saddam Ivaded Kuwait an its oil fields now money that’s something we don’t stand back for.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10269876/Syria-We-must-act-now-against-Assad-says-Cameron.html

  11. colin black says:

    OT But it looks as if military strikes an decleration of perhaps a no fly zones in Syriya is a certainty Parliments been recalled

    Me thinks they will hit all Syryias air fields an try an put them out of commission an as many aircraft an helicopters ect on the ground.

    Even if they know were Syrias chemical weapons stocks are located though bombing them is not so simple as they could end up dispersing tons of dangerous toxins into the atmosphere.

    Using the massive Naval pressance UK an the U S A an other UN Countrys have available in the Med an Crete region well within range to hit targets in Syria..

    The verification of chemical attacks an even attacks by Goverment forces to deter U N Moniters from viewing the evidence has seemed to have tipped the balance into yet another war in the Middle East .

    Or policeing action as the Yanks like to call it or limited intervention or some such tosh

  12. J4TMinATL says:

    Fk Omara

    That is all. I’ve missed you guys!

    Kisses to you all.

    Kisses to Trayvon Benjamin Martin who is in Heaven.

  13. colin black says:

    Reply

    Woow! says:

    August 27, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    I have no faith in the justice system. I want to wring the neck of the prosecutor in my son’s case.

    She wants him to take a plea for defending himself for a drugged out white boy (no offense intended). I feel sorry for this kid because he is deep in his addiction and his parents are a racist a-holes. If you could see and hear his family, straight out of the 1800s without a pot to piss and calling the kettle black.

    This young man wrote a notarized statement that he was high and tried to rob my son at gun point and that he was thankful that my son shot him in the leg and not the head. He also said that the ADA was made he gave the statement. His parents are mad he gave the statement.

    A white boy could have a straw up his nose, needle in his arm, and pipe in his mouth while carry a gun in one hand and a knife in the other charging a black man. According to the law of white privilege, the black man better stand there and take it because if he protect himself it is attempted murder. If the black man is lucky, massa will give him 30 years for being a good sport and taking those bullets and stabs like a good little man-child

    So how is this different from your Son Standing His ground?
    He was not the aggressor and the person whom was the aggressor has admitted to this?

    Why is he even faceing criminal proseadings ?

    Theoretically he could have shot an killed this Person an still not be arrested.
    He only incapacitated him by maiming his leg.
    How was youer Son to know if the drug craced youth would pull the trigger at any time an he would never have seen you again or you him.

    This is why American Juctice sucks each state each frigging county it seems is a law an a legal sytem unto them selfs.

    Why is it that your son is being railroaded an what is happening to the person shot in the leg that attacked your son a gun point threatened him for money?

    Don’t tell me he isn’t faceing ant chardges

    Im I right?

    Im gutted your having to face this injusctice an for whatever its worth I will keep you an your sons plight in my thoughts.

  14. colin black says:

    Xena said

    Sure, there were times I wished the State had been more assertive and connected more of the dots, but they lost the case when that jury was seated…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………
    @

    We all know this to be true now in 20 20 hindsight that particular coven of 6 were never going to convict .
    Trayvon could have filmed the entire chase beatdown an his execution on his cell phone.

    An the jurours having viewed it would still have let the murderer walk.

    The state an the defence though were not to know how much they would luck out with a raceist perverse jury sat.

    But yes with hindsight again they did a piss poor job in connecting the dots at times

    An vital imformation was left out witnesses that should have been called were not

    An the lack of objections to blatant misstruths by the defence was inexcusable.

    However they were still head an shoulders above the defence no matter how bad the State performed an remember at times Guy was memeriseingly brilliant

    The defence of foggage was the most woefull inept performance Ive ever seen period.

    Yes the State didn’t dot all the I or cross all the T s

    They still wipped the floor with the defences sorry excuse for a defence an it was the blatant raceist jury that set him free.

    Oh an one whom knew he was guilty but has decided that god will punish him as the world moves in circles.

    An as for skellator am O Maniac they can ask costs for whatever.

    They better not ask for costs for there court time as O Maniac said they were working this case pro bono a charitable act so whats to re emburse charirtys done for free.

    Besides they were so abysmal what they done certainly wasn’t lawering.

    Loitering with intent to cause G B H to my eardrums is what they did.

    The three amegios may be smileing now something tells me theres something comeing round the u bend gonna flush all there smiles away.

    A civil suite that will be anything but civil an possably from an unexpected source .

      • colin black says:

        No Karma can be swift like the woman whom threw gasoline over a snake in her back garden an set it alight.

        It slithered into a woodpile next to her house in agony an set it alight
        It went up in an instant an set the house burning and everything she owned down to the ground.

    • Xena says:

      @colin black.

      We all know this to be true now in 20 20 hindsight that particular coven of 6 were never going to convict .

      Three were, but Juror B37 read the law to them. It was part of O’Mara’s instructions to her during voir dire after he identified her as his stealth.

      So, they asked for clarification on manslaughter. They were instructed to be more specific, but someone read the law to Maddy to say that unless intent was proven, they couldn’t convict. That was followed with B37 on AC360 saying that George’s intentions were good.

      To hell with the evidence! To hell with DNA! To hell with it all. As her literary agent said, she found GZ not guilty due to the way he was charged. Reporters who were in the courtroom everyday observing the jurors said that B37 was the most disinterested. She took no notes during closing arguments.

      That’s what makes their decision so unjust. B37 and B29 did not say the evidence was not there to convict. In fact, they said the opposite.

      Trayvon could have filmed the entire chase beatdown an his execution on his cell phone.

      Well of course. B37 would have made it unlawful for Trayvon to be outside after dark and by convincing Maddy, that would remove her several Brown sons from the streets after dark to advance the WSA; White Supremacists Agenda.

      How wonder how the State of Florida feels having a conceal carry law that its citizens admit to not understanding?

  15. UPDATE:

    FOX News is reporting tonight that standby counsel for Major Hasan have asked the judge to permit them to take over the defense.

    They say he isn’t presenting evidence that could convince jurors to sentence him to life in prison, such as good behavior in jail and his offer to plead guilty before trial.

    But the judge, Col. Tara Osborn, denied their request. She says that while ill-advised, Hasan has the constitutional right to represent himself.

  16. boyd says:

    I don’t get it. if the court approves all or some of the bill then who gets this money? MOM or Fogen.

    And will the Fogen team reimburse their crazy supporters?

    • bettykath says:

      The attorneys take their cut first.

      • Xena says:

        @bettykath. That statute does not provide for payment of attorney fees. Like to professor wrote;

        The Orlando Sentinel is correct. The statute does not authorize reimbursement for attorneys fees.

    • No, most of the money would or should go to the creditors, most of whom have not been paid. If some have been paid and reimbursement is ordered, the reimbursement would go to whomever paid the creditor.

      The process of determining who gets paid and how much they get paid probably is pretty well established since others have blazed this trail before.

      Nevertheless, one cannot overestimate the possibility of corruption gulping down chunks of taxpayer money.

      I can only tell people how it should work.

      • bettykath says:

        I should have raised the cynic flag in my comment.

      • colin black says:

        Whats the ten 4 re foggages sueing ABC? or whatever media station for editing a version of the non emergency call to make him appear to sound racist.??

        The one were his council presented an edited tape to back up his claim.

        They edited out the fnkhoons comment,
        Is he stupid enough to persue or can he drop it?

        An does ABC have a counter claim?

        If so will they drop theres if he does???

        • NBC. But they’d probably like to go after ABC as well.

          • roderick2012 says:

            TSTS, on what grounds would Piglet and O’Mara have to go after ABC?

            I read NBC’s response to the lawsuit and although I am no legal expert their logic seemed sound that there is no way to single out NBC as being the source of Piglet’s being perceived as a racist.

            Unfortunately if NBC can’t get a change of venue and a Seminole County jury is allowed to decide the case Piglet will win again.

      • roderick2012 says:

        I can’t believe anyone would allow O’Mara to have over $300K of goods or services on credit after he was sued by the security company for $27K.

        It boggles the mind.

    • colin black says:

      No they paid of his credit card debts paid for new smart phones an a Beachfront house with 4 bed rooms an restraunts ect oh an a stonking big cop killer gun.

      None of there money was actually used for defence costs.

      It was a gift to there man of the year so he could live the way he thought he should for murdering a child.

  17. O’Mara. What a hole.

  18. Girlp says:

    So I guess O’Mara could not bleed any more money out of the bigots of America so he’s looking to the state. Zimmerman will never pay O’Mara, interesting to see how this works out.

  19. Woow! says:

    Every person that contributed to CAC going free from the judge, prosecution, defense team, donaters, and SPD should have the same thing happen to a member of their family with the same outcome.

    Eye for an eye. They could not handle a taste of their own medicine.

    All of those people will burn in hell for their part in that child’s murder and cover up.

    We need to practice patience because CAC will kill again, let us hope it won’t be another innocent black child.

  20. Woow! says:

    What happened to the money donated for CAC legal defense? Wasn’t MOM all over the news and internet begging for more money for experts and depos?

    That man was given over $500k or more according to the treehouse. He and Shelly lived off less than $40k a year with CAC daddy paying his rent (unbelievable). So why did it cost $60k to live for six months after the money started rolling in?

    I believe CAC controlled they money. Remember there were some who were funneling money directly so that the court would not be aware of how much was being donated. The whole CAC family have made a come up off the murder of an innocent child.

    The only light at the end of this tunnel is that CAC does not know how to manage money and will be right back where he started.

    This man will have a hard time finding and holding a job. Not because of the trail but because that has always been the case. What skills does he have or Shelly. CNA, please, who would want her to change their bed pans after this.

  21. Xena says:

    The Florida Supreme Court has spoken on the issue of reimbursement for investigative costs.

    We hold that investigative costs are not taxable costs under the plain language of the statute.

    BOARD OF COUNTY COMM’RS v. Sawyer, 620 So. 2d 757 – Fla: Supreme Court 1993

    • Well, that’s a civil case and we’re dealing with a criminal case.

      • Xena says:

        @Professor. It became a civil suit against the county to pay, but the reason for the request for reimbursement was because of the criminal proceeding.

        Looks like Florida’s rules on challenging an order not to pay reimbursement is considered challenge of an administrative order. After reading some other case decisions, the appellate courts grant or deny writs under mandamus on that matter.

        Now, I’d like to know more about Florida’s legislatures.

    • groans says:

      The Pinella County v. Sawyer case actually was a criminal case, applying and interpreting Section 939.06 of the Florida Statutes. The Florida Supreme Court relied on it in a later criminal case, too, though there was one partial dissent:

      Wolf v. Volusia County (1997):
      http://caselaw.findlaw.com/fl-supreme-court/1459258.html

      The statute has been modified a couple of times since those cases, but not in any way that should affect the Sawyer and Wolf decisions, IMO.

  22. kllypyn says:

    The prosecution was not interested in a conviction. Even while they assured the martins they would do what ever is required to convict. they lied and were more concerned with protecting a corrupt police department than the fact that an innocent 17 year old boy was killed for nothing despite his desperate cries for his life. they always say don’t take the law into your own hands let the system work.well in this case maybe the ,martin’s should have hunted Zimmerman down and took care of him themselves. because the system didn’t give a @#$ about their loved being killed. despite have heard his last screams numerous times during and even prior to the trial. They in my opinion willingly failed to do their jobs. they heard Trayvon’s last words as he literally cried for his life and they just brushed it off. THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO SPEAK FOR THE VICTIM IN THIS TRAYVON BENJAMIN MARTIN. A KID WHO JUST WENT TO THE STORE ONE NIGHT AND DIDN’T MAKE IT HOME. I GUESS THAT ONLY APPLIES IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ISN’T IN TROUBLE. When murderman kills again they will share some of the blame

  23. kllypyn says:

    The prosecution was not interested in a conviction. even while they asured the martin w=thjey nwould what ever is required to convict. they lied and were more concerned with protecting a corrupt police department than the fact that an innocent 17 year old boy was killed for nothing despite his desperate cries for his life. they alway say don’t take the law into your own hands let the system work.well in this case maybe the ,martin’s should have hunt zimmerman down and took care of him themselves. because the system didn’t give a @#$ about their loved being killed. despite have heard his last screams numerous times during and even prior to the trial. They in my opinion willingly failed to do their jobs. they heard Trayvon’s last words as he literally cried for his life and they just brushed it off. THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO SPEAK FOR THE VICTIM IN THIS TRAYVON BENJAMIN MARTIN. A KID WHO JUST WENT TO THE STORE ONE NIGHT AND DIDN’T MAKE IT HOME. I GUESS THAT ONLY APPLIES IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ISN’T IN TROUBLE. When murderman kills again they will share some of the blame.

    • boyd says:

      I can’t see prosecutors intentionally losing, They like having a high batting average. But the criminal justice system? The Judge tied the Juries hand (according to the jury). I think that was intentional and sneaky.

      • Well, the jurors also misread an instruction as requiring proof of intent to kill to convict GZ of murder 2 when the instruction explicitly stated that intent to kill did not need to be proven. The State only had to prove that the defendant intended to do the acts that resulted in Trayvon’s death (i.e., intended to shoot the gun at him).

        I suspect B37 is responsible for persuading the jurors that the prosecution had to prove intent to kill.

        Of course, Judge Nelson didn’t help matters by refusing to instruct that an aggressor cannot claim self-defense.

        The trial was a disgraceful farce.

        • MDH says:

          It is also a data point I will use against those racist whites I encounter who like to claim black people are gullible and stupid.

          I mean proof of intent to kill before the act is completed is pre-meditated murder.

          How can one not understand that?

          It seems to me that lying to justify a reprehensible act was not limited to George.

          Judge Nelson’s clear misreading of the case law presented by the defense to support not adding instructions that an aggressor cannot claim self defense is troubling.

          IMO, as the sharp guy in that video posted above noted, the shining light of truth was Rachael. As the guy noted, she told it as she saw it when she had every reason to embellish.

          It really sucks that many people attacked her.

          I just use common sense.

          If I was followed by a dude at night, my first words to that guy would be “why are you following me?”

          IOW, her testimony made sense.

          Instead the white people in the USA who don’t have black friends, yet are experts on blacks because they watch TV, bought into that load of crap line “you got a problem homie?”

          That is a tell about a person being a liar right there.

          I think this trial shows how money, power and privilege makes men feel so self important that they believe their own bullshit.

          The farce of a trail verifies that.

      • roderick2012 says:

        @ boyd, don’t you recall that after Piglet waived his self-defense immunity hearing that he would be arguing immnunity during the trial and Judge Nelson included the SYG clause in the jury instructions?

        WTF?

      • Malisha says:

        The prosecution didn’t just throw the case; they threw it hard, with a high-octane rocket-powered grand piano tied onto its foot.

  24. OT: FOX News is reporting:

    Army Maj. Nidal Hasan rested the sentencing phase of his case Tuesday without speaking in his own defense after his victims’ loved ones spent the morning telling of the grief he caused in the 2009 Fort Hood shooting rampage.

    Not much doubt what the sentence will be.

  25. Keepemhonest says:

    Mr. Leatherman,

    When I, a non-lawyer, reads the Statute, it sounds like Zimmerman can only ask for “Fees OF the Court” … are expert witnesses considered “Fees OF the Court?”

  26. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    How were all of those motions worked out that Judge Nelson was going to hear AFTER the trial?

  27. Xena says:

    @Professor. Couple of things. First, does court costs include expert witnesses and depositions?

    Second, does O’Mara have an actual basis for such a motion when the money paid for the defense was donated to GZ and earmarked for that purpose?

    Thank you in advance.

  28. Tzar says:

    give him the money
    it really does not matter
    the state can’t give justice
    the people must take it

    • Kate says:

      This is why our justice system is a failure. There are flaws, even in democratic institutions of justice; however, this case was cut and dry. Evidence coming out the wazoo and yet the state assisted in the murderers escape. The state, our justice system, was involved in the cover up. Our democratic system of justice did not do all they could and helped a murderer walk free at the expense of a child. That is the injustice.

      • a2nite says:

        There is no democratic system of justice in America. Justice is for evil rich people and some connected white people.

        • pat deadder says:

          Why aren’t Trayvon’s parents suing.
          O’mara is rubbing salt in the wounds of those of us who know the truth.I wish I could understand what really happened here.What did fogen or omara have over the participants in this charade.
          I guess we will never know.

          • I believe they may be waiting for the DOJ to decide whether to prosecute GZ for a hate crime.

          • bettykath says:

            It wasn’t MOM or fogen. They were just puppets in the charade. I believe that the fix was an example of institutional racism. Sharpton, Jackson and others, mostly Black, protested for the arrest of fogen against the decision of the white, racist SPD and power structure of the state. The “agitators” needed to be taught a lesson, to be put in their place. So the governor gave them an arrest and a trial. To put them in their place fogen was acquitted by, imo, at least 2 or 3 decisions by the judge and a deliberate throwing of the case by the prosecution. The jury members were also puppets of the charade based on their selection. All they needed was b37 and the prosecution didn’t object.

          • I agree with your theory, Bettykath. I think the verdict was a big pushback and had little to do with truth or justice.

          • You all have thoughtful comments says:

            The SPD should be investigated by the DOJ.

            The problems at the SPD are more than just this:

          • Soulcatcher says:

            And of course there are people out there throwing out the fact if Trayvon’s parents loose, the will be liable for all the costs as well, and they probably won’t want to hear all of Trayvons past out, and it should be GZ that should sue them. Oh and George should sue them for all his injuries, ect.

            These are all the same people that made such a big deal when Trayvon was referred to as a minor, teen, kid, child. They’d say he was an adult, old enough, bigger, ect., angry that he was thought as anything other. But now that Zippy do dah has been aquitted, now he was a minor, and GZ should sue his parents for his injuries, ect, because they are responsible for their sons actions, because he was still a minor.

            I remember when MOM was doing an accounting of the fund, what GZ and wifey spent in one month for living expenses, my husband and I could live on that for a year.

      • I don’t think the system is total faillure but it is broken and flawed.

        • pat deadder says:

          Or maybe AC and the judge knew the people who elect them are a bunch of racists so they knew where their bread was buttered.
          I’m going back to watch Moral Mondays in NC it gives me hope racism is diminishing.

        • Malisha says:

          Perhaps it’s not a total failure; by the inevitability of “nothing is perfect,” also “nothing is a total failure.” But the justice system is considerably worse than the odds would be if we just tossed a coin and “heads you win tails you lose” without any appeal at all.

          When it’s so bad it’s worse than merit-free-chance-alone, I say stop spending money on it and go without. As it is we would have more justice in our society without the judicial branch of government, PERIOD. They only prevent people from having the right of self-defense.

          The Trayvon Martin murder case was not a case of a murderer going free; it was a case of a victim’s right to defend himself being officially ruled FORBIDDEN.

      • Woow! says:

        I have no faith in the justice system. I want to wring the neck of the prosecutor in my son’s case.

        She wants him to take a plea for defending himself for a drugged out white boy (no offense intended). I feel sorry for this kid because he is deep in his addiction and his parents are a racist a-holes. If you could see and hear his family, straight out of the 1800s without a pot to piss and calling the kettle black.

        This young man wrote a notarized statement that he was high and tried to rob my son at gun point and that he was thankful that my son shot him in the leg and not the head. He also said that the ADA was made he gave the statement. His parents are mad he gave the statement.

        A white boy could have a straw up his nose, needle in his arm, and pipe in his mouth while carry a gun in one hand and a knife in the other charging a black man. According to the law of white privilege, the black man better stand there and take it because if he protect himself it is attempted murder. If the black man is lucky, massa will give him 30 years for being a good sport and taking those bullets and stabs like a good little man-child.

        • I hear your frustration. It’s not at all fair and your son clearly tried to defend himself without killing the guy. That the state you live in isn’t taking that into consideration is unthinkable and unforgivable.

        • Disgusting. Very sorry to hear this, makes me want to start screaming:(

        • I sympathize with how you feel. You and your son have every right to be outraged.

          Seems like the prosecution would not have a case, if the white boy testifies to the same set of facts in the note. If he doesn’t, he can be impeached with the note.

          Unfortunately, the criminal justice system has been so corrupted in most places by racism, privilege and money that one cannot count on just results.

        • aussie says:

          Your son somehow needs this young guy to come and give evidence for him. If he is called by the prosecution he could be asked on cross-examination, too, if he was a threat that warranted self defence.

          Your son absolutely must defend himself; taking a plea will get him convicted.

        • roderick2012 says:

          Woow, I am not if you want the media exposure but have you considered contacting Rev. Al(National Action Network), the local media, or at least the local chapter of the NAACP

          I am not a big fan of either but it sounds as if your son’s case is so outragous that it cries out to be exposed to the light of day.

          What type of legal representation does your son have?

          I hope it’s more than a public defender.

        • Malisha says:

          Woow, is it possible to get some well-connected organization to start publicizing your son’s case? I know it’s presumptuous of me to say that someone ELSE should go get publicity, inasmuch as I’m not in much of a position to do so, but if you wanted to get a “precis” of the case written I would offer to do it for free and I can write a pretty good one, I think. I can also offer the free services of a forensic psychiatrist to evaluate your son (if you can pay travel costs for the appointment) and prove that his motivation was self-defense and that he feared for his life. Write to me at:
          Leatherheadsgather4August24@hushmail.com
          if you’d like that. Perhaps somebody would file an amicus of sorts — something. Your son should not get a criminal record for self-defense. It’s part of the disarming of victims that we’re seeing right now throughout our fraudulent government.

          • Woow! says:

            Thank you all. We have a good lawyer that I had to take out a loan against some land I have to pay for his services.

            The young man that tried to rob my son went to the DA’s office with us and told them that he tried to rob my son. The police lied in their report which is what the ADA is using as well as the fact she is from a family known as racists in the area. The police report said the robber was walking away and my son turned and shot him after an argument. There was never an argument and my son was in his car when Justin ran up to it. It is on camera.

            He is not pleading and our lawyer do not think he will do any jail time. I was told the DA is pissed at the ADA for pursuing this case because that alleged victim has a history of strong arming folks and assaulting police officers. This young man’s family is a piece of work and are pushing for a conviction.

            It is unfortunate that we got into an argument outside of the court house because his sister said something ugly and I was about to beat that tail but my boys caught me before I connected with her head. The cops did nothing but one of them did say they are tired of that racist bunch. I am not over exaggerating when I say this family is unbelievable.

            The ADA is caught between a rock and a hard spot and she better check herself. I have written to the AG to monitor this case. It is a small town (population about 2000 or a little less) and they act like its the 1940.

            Justin gave a video statement as well as an affidavit and said he would testify in court if the trial ever happen. Also, the store clerk and two people that were at the gas pumps told what happened. They went to the police on their own. Two was white one black.

            I still can not believe they charged him with Second Degree Attempted Murder.

      • Malisha says:

        Our justice system is a failure because it is run by judges, their lackeys and their handlers who are a gang of thieves, frauds liars, punks, molesters, exploiters, rapists, punks, cowards idiots and wannabe murderers their-damn-selves.

        Other than that, it’s all good.

    • Boyd says:

      don’t give him squat. He jumped out the car to go hunting

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      Tzar,

      You have the eagle’s view of our whitely structured society with its power being grabbed even more now by the rabid racists.

      Here is something I just wrote over at 3chicspolitico as we were discussing the movie THE BUTLER:
      ………………

      Here is something Ametia wrote here that caught my eye:

      The Butler showed that BLACK FOLKS are not a MONOLITH. So the interests and experiences were varied during this era. Each one no less or more valuable to our collective struggles.

      See, you speak of your Black COLLECTIVE struggles, and yet we whites do not speak of our COLLECTIVE violence, terrorism and horrific actions against the African Americans. I want to recognize and own this COLLECTIVE evil. If I do not, I cannot begin to repair the damage I have done as being part of the white “collective”……in fact, it is this “owning” of it that morally MANDATES me to begin to repair the damage……This is NOT a matter of choice. It is not optional. It is an OWED requirement to be paid IN FULL.

    • groans says:

      give him the money
      it really does not matter
      the state can’t give justice
      the people must take it

      Yes – in a way, it would serve the Gunshine State right to have to give a half million of their hard-earned tax dollars to the lazy likes of CAC!! 😆

      Actually, it’s kind of a slap in the face to the NRA-beholden powers-that-be in Florida, who went to some extremes (I believe it’s fair to say) to “give the People a trial” with no intention of thoroughly, aggressively, or even competently demanding justice at the trial. And Florida taxpayers just might start thinking that 💡 they deserve more competent prosecutors 💡 than what O’Mara will soon be describing.

      It could get REALLY interesting, too, when the state, the counties, and the state attorneys start squabbling about whose budget CAC’s windfall will be taken from!

      • Xena says:

        @groans. I was reading some Florida case decisions on the issue of reimbursing defendants who are acquitted or charges dismissed by the State. Seems as though the money comes from fines and fees paid to the court in criminal cases by defendants.

        IOWs, the more the county has to pay out to folks like GZ, the more Florida citizens can expect to be stopped for traffic violations, and there will be more charges reduced to hefty fines.

        There’s a certain intersection where I live that is called “debt relief” because toward the end of the month, the cops sit and wait for people going 1 mile over the speed limit.

      • Tzar says:

        having trouble posting
        duno why

  29. bonnies says:

    Anyone know the cost of that animation the defense used at trial?
    The judge ruled it was an illustration and was not allowed in the jury room as evidence when they were deliberating.
    That animation only showed the defendants version of what happened . There were no witnesses that saw the same thing.
    So will they eliminate that ?

    What about the gym owner who said the defendant was a softie?
    How much he was paid to say that.
    Wouldn’t a DR be more of an expect to say if gz was a weakling?

  30. a2nite says:

    Why aren’t GZ’s evil benefactors paying for his defense? Or isn’t he making money on the white supremacist/KKK/NRA circuit. Why can’t he pay his bills like other Americans?

  31. bettykath says:

    Such a statute is fair. The only unfairness is that a murderer was acquitted.

  32. Keepemhonest says:

    Mr. Leatherman, Thank you for your post today on this topic. I was planning on sending you an email regarding this as it looked to nonLawyer me, that the Statute says “fees OF the Court” not “Fees OF Lawyers”

    Also, didn’t Omara and West take this case on a pro-bono basis?

    • Yes, you focused in the same limiting language that I did.

      Pro bono means not charging a fee for time spent working on the case. It does not mean paying the costs of the litigation out of your own pocket. The client is still responsible for paying the costs.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Could you tell us what court fees are? It’s my understanding that these don’t amount to much in reality.

        • Court costs are usually limited to the filing fee (cost of filing the lawsuit which an acquitted defendant never has to pay) and the costs to copy documents in the legal file. They rarely exceed $500. EDIT: Here’s a link to the Florida statute regarding court costs.

          Deposition transcripts, expert witness fees, investigation fees, consultation fees, fees for security, travel and lodging fees, mileage and parking fees, copy costs and service of process fees are not court costs and normally must be paid by the client. They usually come off the top of a settlement or judgment in a civil case, with the lawyer and client splitting the balance, according to the terms of the fee agreement.

          This latter category of costs is what O’Mara hopes to recover in full from the JAC. His client is responsible for them, but O’Mara may end up on the hook for them, if GZ doesn’t pay. He obviously wants to avoid paying any portion of the costs.

          I don’t believe he will recover 100% of those costs.

          • Boyd says:

            Fogen’s history is he’s not paying. He had credit card problems.

          • Xena says:

            @Professor. It reads as though those are costs of fines entered in criminal convictions. For example, a fine of $2,000 would get divided into the depts. for mandatory costs.

          • Yes, I should have clarified that those additional costs are charged to convicted defendants. I added the edit so people could read the list of costs.

            To be clear, none of those costs were charged to GZ and he did not pay any of them. Therefore, there is nothing to pay and nothing to reimburse in court costs.

            O’Mara wants to recover the costs incurred in defending GZ that I referenced more specifically as follows:

            Deposition transcripts, expert witness fees, investigation fees, consultation fees, fees for security, travel and lodging fees, mileage and parking fees, copy costs and service of process fees are not court costs and normally must be paid by the client.

          • Xena says:

            @Professor. Let me see if I can get this straight. People can actually abandon their home, quit their job, beg for money for a legal defense before they are even charged with a crime. They use the money for their living expenses and legal defense, but now want the State to reimburse them???!!!!

          • You have to be a right wing wacko to understand the way they think.

          • Thank you so much for your answer. THat’s exactly what I thought, only I thought perhaps there was a little more money involved, maybe a few grand.

            Wow! 😀

            I don’t believe, based on Fogen’s past history with the attorney that he stiffed, that he really gives a fig about paying OM, after all, OM now has the fame factor that he sought. Fogen would likely be quite happy to have his supporters rally round to couge up OM’s fees and it seems reasonable to suspect that if OM can’t get but a few hundred bucks that supporters may once again open those tired, sad wallets.

            Ah, by the way, there are Fogen supporters who think the court has to cover his lost bail money too, LOL! : D

          • Woow! says:

            OM is a prime example of why attorneys have a bad rep.

          • Malisha says:

            Woow, 99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name.

          • Xena says:

            Lawyers give other lawyers a bad reputation. Think about it. What impression did O’Mara give of defense attorneys? That they misrepresent facts, play dirty tricks, and give juries the right to use their personal biases in deciding cases.

            Even in court, clients seldom see the other party as the bad guy. They see the legal representative as the bad guy used as a conduit to deprive fair and impartial justice.

            Actually, I think that most Americans lose reality when it comes to judges and lawyers. They are such because of their legal education, but they are still people subject to all the frailties of human beings. Many see them like doctors expecting for judges to esteem us as individuals bringing our individual problems before them to resolve, when their real work is applying facts to the law. Parties before them, other than attorneys, are mostly faceless.

      • ay2z says:

        But didn’t money from somewhere, the first 130+ thousand or subsequent ‘donations’, pay for an impressive what, 20 or was it 40 thousand in computer/software for the office of MOM?

        Back to that Hannity/fo video of the duping delight GZ showed when he answered Hannity’s question, did we agree to pay for your interview question.

        Sneaky. Payment up front incashola, no. Payment possibly to be agreed upon at a future date or to be forethcoming ‘under the table’ or ‘in kind’? Sure, GZ doesn’t do what he does for no gain.

  33. Kate says:

    I have never seen this video until today. This is now proof that the murder of Trayvon Martin was premeditated!! I am focusing on marks 5:00-5:30. This is also more proof the prosecution threw the case because Jeremy was never called to testify and this evidence was never presented in court. THey had this evidence at their disposal and they purposely excluding presenting it to help Zimmerman cover up the crime. The prosecution and the state are just as guilty of the murder of Trayvon Martin by dereliction of duty.

    • Kate says:

      BTW I hate to say this but the state will likely give him his award money for this murder. The state helped the killer get off so they will likely give him anything he is asking for. How about an island and beach front property? I wouldn’t doubt it. Despite what the supporters of Trayvon Martin think the state of Florida sides with the killer so any thoughts we have on the situation they do the complete opposite, hence he will what he is asking for.

      • Big money seemed to show-up the weekend after the prosecution rested its case, so one way or another I think the costs will be paid, if not by the State, then by the big money.

        • Two sides to a story says:

          What’s the big money?

          Is my perception wrong? The court costs that are actually incurred and the stuff that OM is talking about are actually two very different things. In fact, it would appear that “court costs” really don’t cover much because there aren’t that many. Could you give us a list of what these items actually are?

          I feel as if this is more high theatre from OM because he is asking for things he can’t get and that won’t be paid, so the figures he is talking about are hugely inflated. Unless, of course, that Seminole County gov’t is corrupt and bends to OM’s will for a political agenda.

          • looneydoone says:

            I have no doubt the State of FL will “reimburse”
            $100k paid to bondsman
            $ XX phone calls he made from jail, plus commissary purchases
            $$$ spent on rental cars , hotel accommodations, housing
            $$$ executive level security
            $$$ clothing (disguises and bullet proof vests)

            After all, those expenditures were made necessary by his having been arrested in the first place….no ?
            Buncha grifters. ALL costs related to his defense and living expenses have been paid by his supporters…they are just angling to fill their pockets.

          • Xena says:

            @looneydoone. Don’t know about commissary purchases since they were voluntary. Hotels, security, disguises — he was unemployed, homeless, paranoid and in hiding before his arrest. He is unemployed, homeless, paranoid and in hiding since the verdict. Clothing is personal and not a taxable court cost.

            Does anyone know whether Jose Baez filed a motion for reimbursement in the Casey Anthony case?

          • LooneyDoone – Nah, they’ll never recover bail costs or security costs. OM isn’t even asking for any of that. I suppose Fogen could try suing the state.

          • From what I’ve read in the past. Jose Baez did file and did get reimbursed for some things but not others. Sorry, this was in the past and so no link.

    • Impressive video with some good arguments.

      Unfortunately, he’s wrong about double jeopardy. The Double Jeopardy Clause does bar a new prosecution by the State of Florida against GZ for the first degree murder of Trayvon Martin.

      However, it does not bar the Department of Justice from prosecuting GZ for a hate crime and, although this guy did not mention it, he probably knows that GZ said “fucking coons” and not “fucking punks” during the NEN call.

      I hope they do prosecute him.

      I have to admit that I did not hear what he claims to have heard regarding some other comments, but my hearing ain’t what it used to be.

      Some impressive audiologists listened but did not state they heard what this guy heard.

      That said, I believe Jeremy witnessed the shooting and knows GZ did not kill in self-defense. That he did not testify with no explanation provided by the prosecution for not calling him, troubles me a lot.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        Very troubling. At the very least, Jeremy saw Fogen and Trayvon just seconds before the shot. Why no calling the witness to the stand?

      • Xena says:

        @Professor. Jeremy, Mary Cutcher, Dale Gilbreath. Do you think maybe they didn’t testify in the State’s case because the feds held them out just in case?

        • Trained Observer says:

          @Xena — We can hope … there’s always hope for a miracle.

        • No, I don’t believe that’s likely. I’ve never seen the feds tie a state prosecutor’s hands by making certain important witnesses unavailable, particularly civilian witnesses.

          BDLR decided not to call Cutcher and Jeremy and I was shocked that he didn’t call Gilbreath as his wind-up witness.

          I also believe Jenna may have lied when she denied following Taffee on twitter. If she did, he should have confronted her about it.

          • Xena says:

            @Professor.

            I also believe Jenna may have lied when she denied following Taffee on twitter. If she did, he should have confronted her about it.

            It was Junior she was following and yes, she lied about it while O’Mara laughed his butt off standing behind Bernie.

          • Thanks for correcting me on that. I don’t know what possessed me to write Taaffe

          • Xena says:

            @Professor. Because Taaffe is the Twitter whore????

          • Jenna didn’t “maybe lie.” She was observed via the web by other vigilant Trayvon supporters deleting her account around the time she testified. There are probably people who have taken screen shots before it was gone and hopefully these folks have sent info to DOJ, etc.

            I have definitely seen her name connected to RZjr Twitter account and can’t prove it because I haven’t taken screen shots, etc. But I’ve scrolled many times through many prominent GZ supporters’ Twitter followers and who they follow, etc, to see who was connected to who.

            Though it’s been a very long time ago since Francis Taafee’s account was open to be able to see followers – when GZLC decided he was a bit too racist for the mainstream, he suddenly made his Twitter account private last sprint. Prior to that time, he had a motley assortment of followers, not a lot then, but I looked more than once. I have no doubt that since Jenna’s name was linked to RZjr that she’s probably part of the Taafee inner circle as well, if not way back, then recently.

            If anyone is up for wader and goggle action, check out the spats and meltdowns at annettekblog.wordpress.com. Annette Elaine Kelly (Nettles18) is a Canadian GZ supporter who was banned from the Treestump for not agreeing with Sundance Cracker about his distrust of OM. SD (Mark I. Bradman) has been posting on the two most recent threads there over a period of days (if it disappears, well, who knows, Sundance is sensitive about his ID while he outs others), so there’s been quite a huff going on between the two factions of supporters that’s probably even interesting to the DOJ.

            If you recall, Sundance Cracker outed Fogen’s cousin (W9) at the Treestump after she called SPD and was labeled as W9 and he says he did so because Gladys asked him to. The Fogens are claiming that the cousin W9, not Fogen, is the sexually or romantically inappropriate one, something that’s possible but doesn’t ring true. According to the twisted tale, W9 reported to SPD that the family is racist and that she was molested by him as revenge because she was rejected by him years ago. The Nettles followers think that it’s impossible that Gladys would tell SD to do this because the Fogen clan is just so nice and upright . . . who knows which delusional party is closer to the truth. Supposedly she is the narcissist and he’s the squeaky clean American hero. I’m seriously doubting it.

            Heh–Elaine even thinks she’s outed me by posting my name in a recent thread, because I sometimes remark there but my replies are always in moderation. I’ve never hidden who I am, just chose to use a handle and gravatar for WordPress sites when I registered, but it’s a simple matter to figure it out. I have another handle that’s connected to my work (and part of my website name, Twitter and Facebook) that I’ve used for years, and with my own photo, but these were never made to hide behind. I chose my gravatar to go with the two sides handle eventually because the image plays with the two sides metaphor. I nearly stuck one of my own pix on it the day I finally got rid of the stock avatar. I post comments at news sites and at Facebook with my own name and these are all clearly connected online. I’ve never used a sock puppet account that had a dead end in a search. So, have fun with that, Fogenites.

          • Xena says:

            @Two sides. (Gulp) Nettles and some others may want to know that some Zidiot cyber-stalkers, cyber-harrassers and doxers impersonate her, Viki Pate, Diwataman, Piercy, and others when submitting the most vile, threatening and hateful comments to blogs. They even use semblances of their real email addresses. I know this because I checked one for Nettles against an email address on her blog site.

            Someone is even slick enough to send comments to blogs saying that the DOJ is yanking chains, using the DOJ’s email address for Sanford, FL. Their IP address however, tracks to California.

            So, putting on my blog police cap, let this be an alert to everyone who receives comments whether via blog or social media. The person’s “handle” or name may be an impersonator to mislead the person to believe they are being viciously attacked and threatned by blog administrators who support GZ.

            A good way of knowing this is to track the IP address.

          • boyd says:

            Nettles18 is a dingbat. How do you have a trial and leave key witnesses out , then have MOM bring out all these ‘witnesses’ WHO WERE NOT THERE , OR DID NOT HEAR ANYTHING?

          • From what I’ve seen of the work of David Piercy (isn’t that LongSchlongSilver on Annette’s blog?), he’s done stuff like that in the past and I wouldn’t put it past him to mess with people he rubs elbows with just for fun. And he’s in Fresno, Cali.

          • *CaptainLongSchlongSilver* – David Piercy.

          • Xena says:

            @Two sides.

            *CaptainLongSchlongSilver* – David Piercy.

            Ahhh. The one who is so hatefully ignorant that even other Zidiots don’t want to be associated with him? LOL!!

          • Soulcatcher says:

            Xena,

            I thought I had read after she testified someone had found she had been twitter friends with Taffee since sometime in 2012?

          • Xena says:

            @Soulcatcher.

            I thought I had read after she testified someone had found she had been twitter friends with Taffee since sometime in 2012?

            Could be. Bernie asked her in court however, about following Junior on Twitter. I do remember something about Jenna and Taffee being FB friends and I think she said it’s because of their activity in the HOA.

        • Kate says:

          Xena why would the feds do that? They weren’t held out, they just weren’t called like Jeremy wasn’t called because the state was had a vested interest in not seeing this case go anywhere. They had a reason to protect whatever it was they were protecting or trying to sweep under the rug. But I could hear it clearly he said “He told me he would shoot him”. Some of the other stuff was hard to hear, but if this young man could enhance his audio just a bit to get it a little clearer, imagine what audio specialist with advanced equipment could do!

          • Xena says:

            @Kate.

            Xena why would the feds do that?

            Saving the best for last?

            They weren’t held out, they just weren’t called like Jeremy wasn’t called because the state was had a vested interest in not seeing this case go anywhere.

            I’m not so sure of that. After studying Juror B37 from her voir dire to her AC360 interview, she voted not guilty because she didn’t like the way GZ was arrested and felt his intent was good. Enter Juror B29 who then says that the law was read to her, and unless there was proof that GZ intended to kill Trayvon, that they could not convict him.

            Sure, there were times I wished the State had been more assertive and connected more of the dots, but they lost the case when that jury was seated.

            Some of the other stuff was hard to hear, but if this young man could enhance his audio just a bit to get it a little clearer, imagine what audio specialist with advanced equipment could do!

            I have the same software that Ocwen (sp?) used and have asked for help using the EQ. Thus far, no offers. I stopped playing around with it when the trial started.

        • roderick2012 says:

          Xena, I had the same thought long before the trial that the State and Feds had made a deal.

          The State would put on a show trial resulting in an acquittal allowing the Feds to step in and do the dirty work of convicting Piglet.

          Now I am not sure if the Feds will do anything period.

          • Xena says:

            @roderick2012.

            The State would put on a show trial resulting in an acquittal allowing the Feds to step in and do the dirty work of convicting Piglet.

            Also, it’s not unlike the feds to keep watch on people if they expect they know more and just need to wait, listen and watch. Keep in mind that Cutcher complained that the SPD did not want to interview her. If they are or will investigate the SPD, the feds would want Cutcher’s testimony before a federal grand jury rather than at GZ’s trial.

            Now I am not sure if the Feds will do anything period.

            We can hope.

          • roderick2012 says:

            Xena: If they are or will investigate the SPD, the feds would want Cutcher’s testimony before a federal grand jury rather than at GZ’s trial.

            Why not both?

            Xena: Also, it’s not unlike the feds to keep watch on people if they expect they know more and just need to wait, listen and watch.

            Just like Pollack fell into that trap when he went on the Dr. Drew show and explained how he saved George’s life because he taught him how to ‘shrimp’.

          • Xena says:

            @roderick2012.

            Why not both?

            Can’t answer for sure other than to say that having a witness testify during a televised trial might not be good for the impartiality of the federal grand jury.

            Just like Pollack fell into that trap when he went on the Dr. Drew show …

            Yes. At trial when Adam started saying what GZ told him, the state objected based on hearsay and Judge Nelson sustained. It was the same for Adam’s description of GZ. He started out by saying that he had talked with a trainer the day before and there was a hearsay objection. By what he said on Dr. Drew’s show, Adam’s testimony of GZ being “soft” was based on what a trainer told him and was not his own description, which was “un-athletic”

      • Kate says:

        Yes, Prof. he did a good job. I never heard the Jeremy statements until I heard this video. I remember we talked about the Double Jeopardy so yes, sadly I know he was wrong about that. If this was in evidence it would have been proof that Murder in the 1st would have been justified but sadly the prosecution…….*sigh* what can I even say that hasn’t already been said. They did not do their due diligence because it was not in their interest to do so. 😦

      • Kate says:

        Prof. I feel the same way. I find the prosecution not calling him, as you put it, very troubling.

      • roderick2012 says:

        Professor Leatherman sez: That said, I believe Jeremy witnessed the shooting and knows GZ did not kill in self-defense.

        But how would they get Jeremy to flip on Piglet?

        If Jeremy does then it opens a whole can of worms that would implicate a conspiracy at least among John Good, Jenna, Jeremy, Piglet and Taaffe, because we know that from the beginning Taaffe told the entire world that ‘if Trayvon had just answered Piglet’s question he would be alive today’. That means that either Taaffe was present or one of those present told him what occurred, but I don’t believe that Piglet told Taaffe that specific detail of that night because it sounds like conjecture ( Jeremy’s lame attempt to blame Trayvon to assuage his own guilt for not helping Trayvon) and Piglet already told us the reason that he shot Trayvon was because he was running out of time because the police were on their way and he was afraid that they would have shot him because he was holding a gun.

        Of course the Feds could give him and Jenna immunity and place them in the Witness Protection program but Piglet’s fans would track them down until they found them.

        Furthermore I believe that someone maybe Bill Lee or Papa Zimmerman got to Jeremy, Jenna and John and manipulated them by telling them that if they told the truth about what they saw that night they would be co-conspirators and were just as guilty as Piglet because they didn’t help Trayvon. Also since Jenna was on the HOA she had heard about the complaints against Piglet she would be under extreme financial pressure to go along with a conspiracy to have Piglet found not guilty.

        I believe that maybe that was the purpose of Bill Lee attending the March 1, 2012 HOA meeting. Remember that the meeting was strictly for the pro-Piglet residents because the resident who was upset that no one listened to his complaints about Piglet carrying while he was on NW duty was ejected.

        I wish that we knew what was discussed at the HOA meeting and maybe the DOJ does.
        Also I remember last year at the height of the case a person (silhouette and voice distorted) was interviewed. This witness stated that he/she told the police that there were two fight scenes, but the police told the witness there was only one.

        This would mean that the most likely scenario is that somehow George and Trayvon came into contact around the T. Trayvon punched Piglet in his snout. Piglet fell backwards and hit his head, and Trayvon ran home. Jeremy was already outside because they had heard the arguing (until that video I assumed John had detained Trayvon as he was running past the condos). Jeremy caught and detained Trayvon as he was running toward home assuming that Trayvon was some thug.

        Piglet caught up with Trayvon and Jeremy then Piglet told Jeremy that he would handle things, but Jeremy stayed and watched and sometime thereafter John witnessed some of the incident, but he saw more than the ten seconds before the gunshot that he claims.

        That’s when Trayvon started began for help, he even begged Jeremy to help because he knew that Piglet was going to pull the trigger.

    • Girlp says:

      I did no hear some of the things he said he heard but I agree with him George was in communication with someone other than NEN and Jeremy and his wife know more than they are saying. He could have been communicating with John, Jeremy and Taffee.

    • ladystclaire says:

      @KATE, the prosecution in this case, should hang their heads in shame. Everybody who took part in that trial, needs to be investigated and, that goes for Angela Corey and her team especially.

      They were just as complicit in helping this murderer elude justice, just as much as anybody else. How could this woman lie to this child’s family, with a straight face, as well as pray with them knowing what her real mission was going to be?

      This is a very sad thing, to know that these people could all be so heartless.the guy in the above video, is really on to something. Why is it that Jeremy wasn’t called to testify, could it be that he may have broke down crying on the stand, because he knew the truth? This needs to be put out there in order to reel everybody involved in this murder in.

      I’m going to do my part in helping to get this out.

      • Malisha says:

        You’re right.

        Furthermore, when Serino was FIRST (within days of the murder) interviewing Fogen HE mentioned BDLR. By name. Why? BDLR was not the prosecutor then!

        It turns out that the fraud was much larger than any of us did or even could imagine. There were others who conspired to murder Trayvon Martin. Jeremy certainly; Taaffee almost certainly; Osterman certainly. HOA was in on it, in fact. It was an action planned to get the Blacks out of RTL.

        The bad part is that DOJ is in on the cover-up and was from the beginning as well, or at least, was by April 2012 when Corey charged Fogen.

        Fogen is free.

        The others could easily be charged with conspiracy to murder but they won’t be. THAT is why Jeremy was kept off the stand; he might have slipped up and said something that could be used. Another thing: NO EXCUSE for Mary Cutcher being kept off the stand; Taaffe was in ten times more media shots than she was and it doesn’t matter at ALL if she spoke at every rally and used up more film than O’Mara. She should have been on the stand. At least in rebuttal.

        I trusted BDLR was going to do the rebuttal and seal the case.

        He is a liar and a fraud and a criminal. He is a dirty prosecutor. I don’t trust his convictions (probably all Black males) more than I trust this acquittal. He’s sewer filth.

  34. Trained Observer says:

    It won’t happen, but I say let the all-knowing Seminole County power structure orchestrating Fogen’s release foot the bill for this inevitable development.

  35. ay2z says:

    And will the JAC consider the disputed items, the cost of security, for example? Payment by the JAC may result in tha disputed amount being paid. Does the JAC also delve into payments direct or in kind (ie great national advertising via handshake photo with manufacturer of the murder/killing weapon used on Trayvon) that became profit now or future for the defendant as a result of his actions?

    This case seems to be paying off well for the killer and his business parterns, Kokopelli’s, Kel-Tec, and maybe later, handshaking ads will show up sporting personal safety vests, bling GZ signat;ure sunglasses, his own hoodie line, his own Nike NW signature red jacket, his own NW sgnature cell phone shoulder clip. The tip of the GZ marketing machine.

  36. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    Thanks for your excellent article, Professor.

    I know have a much better legal understanding of the matter.

  37. Rachael says:

    he’s a snake

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