Time, Entangled Minds and the Lycurgus Cup

Sunday, August 25, 2013

Good morning.

As most of you know, I am interested in many different subjects. Science, human consciousness and the ancient world are three of those subjects. Today I discovered a fascinating article in Smithsonian about a 1,600-year-old Roman glass goblet, called the Lycurgus Cup, that looks jade green when you shine a light on it from a position in front of the goblet and red if you shine a light from behind it.

For many years, no one could figure out why the glass changed color.

The mystery wasn’t solved until 1990, when researchers in England scrutinized broken fragments under a microscope and discovered that the Roman artisans were nanotechnology pioneers: They’d impregnated the glass with particles of silver and gold, ground down until they were as small as 50 nanometers in diameter, less than one-thousandth the size of a grain of table salt. The exact mixture of the precious metals suggests the Romans knew what they were doing—“an amazing feat,” says one of the researchers, archaeologist Ian Freestone of University College London.

The ancient nanotech works something like this: When hit with light, electrons belonging to the metal flecks vibrate in ways that alter the color depending on the observer’s position. Gang Logan Liu, an engineer at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, who has long focused on using nanotechnology to diagnose disease, and his colleagues realized that this effect offered untapped potential. “The Romans knew how to make and use nanoparticles for beautiful art,” Liu says. “We wanted to see if this could have scientific applications.”

Liu and his colleagues imprinted billions of tiny wells imprinted billions of tiny wells onto a plastic plate about the size of a postage stamp and sprayed the wells with gold or silver nanoparticles, essentially creating an array with billions of ultra-miniature Lycurgus Cups. When water, oil, sugar solutions and salt solutions were poured into the wells, they displayed a range of easy-to-distinguish colors—light green for water and red for oil, for example. The proto­type was 100 times more sensitive to altered levels of salt in solution than current commercial sensors using similar techniques. It may one day make its way into handheld devices for detecting pathogens in samples of saliva or urine, or for thwarting terrorists trying to carry dangerous liquids onto airplanes.

I always wonder when I read an article like this how the discovery was made?

Around 400 AD, why and how would someone grind down precious metals of gold and silver into particles smaller than one-thousandth the size of a grain of table salt?

Where do innovative ideas come from?

Carl Jung, a psychiatrist and psychotherapist who founded analytical psychology, proposed the idea that all humans are connected to and can communicate with each other via what he called the collective unconscious.

Dean Radin is a contemporary scientist who has spent most of his professional life researching a phenomena, which he calls psi, by which humans can communicate at a distance instantaneously without using a telephone or any other apparent means of communication. Although he has demonstrated that humans can communicate at a distance via thought at a rate that consistently exceeds chance, they cannot do it all of the time.

Despite his experimental results, Radin cannot explain how communication happens other than to say that human minds are entangled. Until he or someone else does, mainstream scientists are unlikely to accept his experimental results.

Some people believe that time does not exist.

Do you believe in Radin’s entangled minds or Jung’s collective unconscious?

Do you believe people can communicate with each other via entanglement or the collective unconscious in the past and the future as well as the present?

Might this explain why an artisan in 400 AD created the Lycurgus Cup?

27 Responses to Time, Entangled Minds and the Lycurgus Cup

  1. fauxmccoy says:

    very interesting, fred. the anthropologist in me loves it 🙂

    as far as other worldly communication with others, i have had 3 people in my life who i loved dearly where we were able to accomplish this. one, is my brother who is 18 months younger than me — no matter where either of us lived, we had an eerie ability to call the other and start singing the same song that just happened to be on both of our minds at the same time. we no longer speak, because of his issues with alcohol, rage and the way he behaved as the executor of my father’s estate; the pain is unbearable.

    two other very dear friends of mine when i was a single, club hopping chick in san francisco did not have phones. when i wanted or needed to speak with them, i would climb to the top of whatever hill i lived closest to and just spread the word to the city below “david …. call me!’. it never failed that i would walk home and 15 minutes later, my phone was ringing with whoever i had ‘called’. they had gotten the ‘message’ and went to the nearest pay phone to call me back.

    all three of these people are no longer in my life, i miss that connection and no one else has taken their place. i am not convinced that cell phones have helped with this process either.

    • Dean Radin does his research at the Institute of Noetic Sciences in the Bay Area.

      • fauxmccoy says:

        interesting — maybe it’s all his fault.

        these three people, my brother (still close by, still love him, but toxic relationship), one girlfriend (lost by too many address changes on both of our parts) and the former love of my life, david, who took his own life ten tears after he broke up with me to date me — all deep psychic connections that i have never experienced with anyone else, not even my own husband or children. i think the magic of san francisco’s hills were involved as well, the ability left me when i left the city.

        • fauxmccoy says:

          to date men, that is (heartbreaking loss the first time around) the suicide was devastating. ironically, i gave birth to my second daughter 9 months to the day of his passing. i feel there’s still a part of him with me and take comfort in that.

  2. Soulcatcher says:

    Wow, interesting…..Humm, I really haven’t had time to reflect on this, but back in high school I had time to reflect, but that was about 40 years ago, so my relections have faded somewhat, I’ll get back with you.

  3. Xena says:

    Do you believe in Radin’s entangled minds or Jung’s collective unconscious?

    Both. It’s a long explanation based on Biblical symbolism. Man is a living soul (mind) but one in spirit.

  4. Endless Summer says:

    I really enjoyed reading this post. I do believe that there is an inherent connectivity, not just among humans, but among all things. At our essence, we are more alike than different. Everything on our planet is made of billion year old carbons.

    Regarding glass and sand, this article has remarkable micro-photos of sand that y’all might enjoy: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2011471/Pictures-sand-Close-photographs-reveal-incredible-beauty.html

  5. colin black says:

    Im sure fire was taken from the sky as a gift from the Gods some brave soul figured out a burnmakeing branch from a lightning strike could light a fire.
    That would keep him warm an scare away predeters.

    Sitting round a fire eating cooked meat It wouldn’t take to much thought to ripping of a finger nail with a wee nible an using said nail as a tooth pick to obtain an dislodge bits of food.

    Farming was more than likely a random discovery being a fruit eating species its inevitable our ancestors ingested an deficated seeds that grew.

    Some one put the number twos together sprouting plants an had a ureaka moment.

    An from a shit farming animal husbandry an civilisation sprung.

  6. OT: Here’s a very disturbing BBC update from a few days ago regarding leaking radioactivity at Fukushima.

    The situation is much more serious than previously reported.

  7. Tzar says:

    oh, also really enjoyed reading the article

  8. Tzar says:

    Rupert’s Sheldrake’s work may be of interest to the prof and peanut gallery
    http://www.sheldrake.org/homepage.html

    He seems to be an honest to goodness scientist
    his famous publications and research focus on human and animal telepathy

  9. ay2z says:

    Lycurgus Cup. Amazing.

  10. looneydoone says:

    I believe in the collective unconscious (Jung)
    Individuation is a process in which transformation and growth are achieved through tapping into the limitless unconscious psyche where the archtypes-inborn from the earliest times-reside.

    Related images from the Tarot, alchemy and astrology offer perspectives that can restore harmony and lead us to the road we were meant to travel.

    For instance, focusing on the major arcana of the Tarot, the first ten trumps represent the descent of the Spirit into matter (recalling the Cabalistic Flash of Lightning) The following eleven trumps describe the difficult journey back (the cabalistic Path of the Serpent) to merge with the source. The last card, the Fool, sets in motion “formation, transformation, the eternal Mind’s eternal recreation”. The major arcana of the Tarot are perennially imaginative descriptions of ancient and eternal designs that lie dormant in the collective unconscious, and as such can be helpful guides in our journey towards individuation.

    Then again, I’ve been reading and rereading some writings for 40+ years and still have not absorbed all their wisdom. Primary among them are “The Secret Doctrine” and “Isis Unveiled”…two epic works
    by Helena Blavatsky/Theosophical Society

  11. ay2z says:

    It’s really so simple, isn’t it? Not nnotachnology, or taking a piece of gold metal and beating it so thin it fractures and then taking it down to nanoparticle size.

    But what came first? The proverbial chicken or the egg?

    The word ‘gold’ brings to mind the bright yellow metallic colour but most people don’t realize that the colour of gold is not what we see, it is green.

    So when I read Prof’s opening, first thought was ‘gold’ was included in the glass. But how is the real mystery.

    Why doesn’t the glass look like kids glitter flakes are included, shine and all? A much easier goal for low tech to accomplish, a simple answer would be that this was not the design goal, and would not give bang for the goal budget buck. Flakes would be waste product, unless they could be gathered and put back into usable form.

    Here’s a thought. Sand makes glass, the gold fragments may have been in the sand gathered that contained waste gold bits. They do have lots of sand in Egypt. Was mother nature the great nano-technologist? Accidental use of powder sized grains of gold, ground so finely, that some accidental creation of glass with a greenish cast to it, would be noticed? Ways to make coloured glass would be an attractive idea for their wealthy class.

    This could simply have been sand from an area of gold sourcing. But, seems unlikely to have that much colour uniformly in a large amount of desert sand, but maybe provided a Eureka moment to early glass technology. (somewhere, not necessarily Egypt, but maybe a trading partner, or artisans and craftspeople from other countries where the link has not survived, or been found yet).

    Nothing happens in isolation. Someone somewhere, could have swept up the gold working artisan’s shop and noticed something that led to something else. Nano-divided gold in with the waste gold bits and a simple method of separating the valuable sized bits using water. The liquid could have such finely divided gold dust, that the dust would not sink, but be suspended, especially if something else, like honey or a plant gum maybe, to help suspend the particles.

    Simply pour off onto a fine cloth as a filter, and re-collect the water and repeat until the particles are the finest possible.

    Glass is a liquid, and will obviously suspend the particles to create the colour. .

    • ay2z says:

      The science not the philosophy, but interesting link for some future ideas for bonding nano-gold to other things for use in everyday industries.

      http://www.ethlife.ethz.ch/archive_articles/130618_goldfolie_per/index_EN

    • Two sides to a story says:

      Wow, I’m I impressed at your thoughtful analysis, Fred and ay2z.

      I have a BA in Anthropology and had not heard of this cup or the phenomena behind it before.

      I do believe that previous cultures who were not as distracted by man-made trivia (“glittering world”) or as invested in hard science as we are today probably developed better their “psi” powers, though this was probably somewhat controlled by a priestly caste in the more organized civilizations – Rome, Egypt, etc. and probably more loosely and commonly used in hunting / gathering indigenous tribal types of societies. I think psi is naturally better developed in some people than in others and some people have to work harder at it.

      I suspect that we Earth dwellers have also received some advanced technology or technology relating to and using mental powers through ET sources throughout our recorded history as well.

      Actually, that process of reducing gold to nanoparticles also reminds me of homeopathic medicine, which probably has a much longer history than we give it credit for.

      People who didn’t stare at television and other modern distractions investigated the natural world and their minds instead.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      PS – I love how sand contains gold and precious gems. We used to sift through sand and look for bits of gold and sand rubies and other stuff for fun.

      • ay2z says:

        Amazing isn’t it, that Gutenberg gets the credit for the first movable type press, making mass production of books and information widely available henceforth. But there was another printer in the race that no one hears about.

      • ay2z says:

        simple act of endless wonder, filtering a fine beach sand through fingers, watching the pattern of the flow, the point of disappearance, the strange feeling. Small wonders.

    • Malisha says:

      Ay2z, the egg came first.

      Before there was a creature that fit the biological description of a “chicken,” before that last fateful (for chickens and for Chinese cuisine) mutation, there was an egg-laying creature that fit the description of bird (of some sort) that laid an egg. From that egg hatched the first (mutated) chicken.

      But I’m not so sure about other big questions. Just wanted to clear that one up.

      Anybody have a theory on why dogs eat shit? I do. Ask me about it… :mrgreen:

  12. crazy1946 says:

    Very interesting…..

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