Trouble Ahead, Trouble Behind

Monday, August 19, 2013

Good morning everyone. The news out of Egypt is awful today.

Remember Hosni Mubarak, the former tyrannical president of Egypt who was forced to resign following weeks of massive public protests during the Arab Spring demonstrations over 2 years ago? Well, he is back in the news today. An Egyptian court ordered his release from prison because Egypt has a rule that prohibits incarcerating a defendant for more than 2 years unless a final verdict has been entered.

Mubarak was jailed in April 2011. He was convicted in June, 2011 and sentenced to life in prison for his role in the deaths of 900 civilian protesters. However, his conviction and sentence was overturned on appeal and he is incarcerated at the Tora prison awaiting a retrial. Apparently, one of two pending corruption cases has been dismissed and the other one is going to be dismissed this week.

The Egyptian military arrested President Morsi on July 3rd after weeks of demonstrations protesting his policies. The military has refused to announce where they are detaining him. Senior officials of the Muslim Brotherhood, the ruling political party whose candidate, Mohamed Morsi, won the national election after Mubarak was deposed are also locked up at the Tora prison.

Meanwhile, approximately 1,000 people were killed last week as the military cleared the streets of protesters. Members of the Muslim Brotherhood ambushed and killed 25 police officers this weekend.

Demonstrators have also attacked and burned Christian (Coptic) churches.

Reports of Mubarak’s possible release later this week probably will produce an effect rather like what happens when gas is added to a raging fire.

The military crackdown is incompatible with democracy and civilian rule. No government can long survive without the consent of the governed. A military government that declares martial law and murders its own citizens ultimately undermines its legitimacy.

Unfortunately, many more people are likely to die before this situation sorts itself out.

In another ugly story reported by The Guardian, David Michael Miranda, who is Glen Greenwald’s domestic partner, was detained and interrogated by police officials for 9 hours at Heathrow Airport near London yesterday interrupting his return trip to Rio de Janeiro where he and Glenn reside. David is a Brazilian citizen.

Glenn has been publishing information that he has received from Edward Snowden, the NSA whistleblower who has been granted asylum by Russia. David has been helping Glenn and the two men also have been communicating with the documentary filmaker Laura Poitras, who also has been disseminating information received from Snowden.

David was detained at Heathrow while returning to Rio after spending a week visiting Poitras in Berlin. The Guardian paid for his roundtrip ticket to meet with Poitras, so the trip obviously had a journalistic purpose.

Interrogating David as a potential suspect engaging in terrorist activity because he may have shared information with Poitras that he obtained from Snowden is a violation of the public’s right to know what its government and the NSA are doing and it’s also a violation of a journalist’s duty to inform the public.

Reporting the truth is not engaging in terrorist activity.

Harassing David for nine hours is pure intimidation with no legitimate purpose.

51 Responses to Trouble Ahead, Trouble Behind

  1. groans says:

    From Boston:

    Governor Deval Patrick’s administration said today it believes that the criminal cases of 40,323 people may have been tainted by the actions of alleged rogue drug lab chemist Annie Dookhan and the management failures at the now-closed Department of Public Health lab where she worked.

    At a State House news conference this afternoon, Boston defense attorney David Meier, who was hired by the state to determine the scope of the scandal, summarized the research he has overseen since last year when Dookhan’s alleged mishandling of drug evidence was discovered by State Police.

    The administration’s final tally was nearly 3,000 more than previous estimates offered by Meier. But it was dramatically lower than estimates by the Committee on Public Counsel Services and the ACLU.


    Apparently, Dookhan’s trial is scheduled for January 6, 2014.

    • Woow! says:

      Woow, I just read a few articles on this tool. Why haven’t they charged her? So many people have lost thier jobs, homes kids, families, respect and so much more because of this woman.

  2. ay2z says:

    “You gave Mubarak 30 years. Give us some time.”

    Saad Eddin Ibrahim

    ( sociologist and courageous human rights advocate who was once jailed for speaking out against Mubarak.)

    Remember what Wolfe said, the Founding Fathers of the US, wrote the Bill of Rights, the Consitition, the Declaration of Independence, in fear because they knew how easily a despot, a tyrant, could rise to power before a democracy could become stable.

  3. Girlp says:

    I did not realize Mubaruk was being released. Hopefully things will stabilize and the Egyptians will have the type government they want. I did read where a Coptic church was destroyed. This is not good.

    • Boyd says:

      They had a chance to write a better constitution then what we have, one tailored to the modern 21st Century. Instead they wanted to go back to chopping heads off for something like Blasphemy. Just sit back and watch them figure it out, it may take be 10-20 years, and send no money to their military.

      Most people say they want democracy but too many are selfish and twist democracy to their own version, hence problems.

      • ay2z says:

        Boyd, but can you set up a democracy and say you have a democracy from this moment onwards? Domocracy isn’t that easy in a society that has not had a history of this system.

        Here’s an article that discusses that idea. (I should probably try to find it posted on a US site to make it perhaps more palatable, but Canadian journalism, investigation journalism, has not taken the same lower road as has happened in the US, tit still is allowed to exist here on our public national system.

        Title and source info:

        How the West failed Egypt’s democracy: Jeremy Kinsman
        Egyptian army crackdown could set democracy back a generation

        By Jeremy Kinsman, special to CBC News Posted: Aug 16, 2013 5:13 AM ET Last Updated: Aug 17, 2013 3:07 PM ET

        The death toll in Egypt’s summer of anger makes you wonder how dumping Hosni Mubarak two years ago could possibly have been worth such a cost.

        International surveys repeatedly show that in times of crisis and disruption most people choose peace and security over justice.

        Egyptians turfed out Mubarak in a quest for justice. In the process, they lost security. What went wrong? And what now?

        Getting rid of a dictator is relatively easy compared to the work of constructing democracy from the ground up.

        Democracy is not a short-term process that can be downloaded from outside. It has to rely on behaviour that is built up over time, and where the building blocks are civil society and its habits of give and take.

        Egyptians, under successive dictators, had no opportunity to build these vital capacities, and the result of that is what we have been witnessing these past weeks.

        The sociologist Saad Eddin Ibrahim is a courageous human rights advocate who was once jailed for speaking out against Mubarak. Looking now at the way in which the revolution he sought has turned into a battle between his fellow countrymen, he asks for patience. “You gave Mubarak 30 years. Give us some time.”

        Ibrahim had long criticized the U.S. for coddling Mubarak, part of a frequent tendency of the West to prefer the apparent stability of a useful dictator over basic democratic values.

        And now the U.S., whose influence in Egypt is at its lowest ebb ever, is struggling to decide exactly where to throw its considerable support.

        • Boyd says:

          I have two Coptic Egyptian friends and 1 Israeli friend. I’ve heard their arguments, all 3 were upset Mubrarek was overthrown, I was not.

          I have no problem with your statement, I simply believe the UN should be doing the job instead of the US.

  4. acemayo says:

    Police reportedly say teen shot Australian student in Oklahoma for the ‘fun of it’

    Here again we try to give reason why we should hates blacks and them treats badly
    whites sometimes think their race does not do wrong
    By the many Comments read from many diff new sources

    And here we go again…no names, no information on the suspects, the MURDERERS of a young man..not blaming DM it’s American UNjustice.
    – Sunnyinfla , usa, 20/8/2013 05:21

    Read more:
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
    No doubt they were inner city kids.- Sean , Detroit, United States, 19/8/2013 18:27 This is a TERRIBLE tragedy but Duncan doesn’t even have an inner city, it’s a suburban town and has an extremely low crime rate. So, NO they weren’t, they are just little psychos! Not all of us live in places live in Detroit. I hope they are punished to the fullest extent of the law but you can’t always assume it’s one type of person. RIP Chris, you were taken way too soon! I’ll keep his family and lovely girlfriend in my thoughts.
    – xoxo_KE901 , Tri-Cities, United Kingdom, 20/8/2013 03:01

    Read more:
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
    Aug. 19, 2013 at 7:50pm
    There is no doubt my people account for the vast majority of inner city violence. However, white people make up the vast majority of serial killers and rapists. The question is, what good is being done by making these types of comments? I and many like me are trying to combat violence in our cities, and the comments expressed here do absolutely nothing to help the cause.
    Is there anyone here who is remotely rational that agrees with me?

    8/19/2013 11:29 PM CDT
    ‘Murica !


    In one year, guns murdered
    17 people in Finland,
    35 in Australia,
    39 in England and Wales,
    60 in Spain,
    194 in Germany,
    200 in Canada, and
    9,484 in the United States

    • Boyd says:

      They shot him because they wanted too. I’ve heard that before somewhere.

    • Woow! says:

      Look at the source of the story, The Daily Mail, Fox News…. if you Google that story you will find it on more right leaning sites and you know that is all those fools need to get riled up.

  5. ay2z says:

    OT, you all see this?

    • ay2z says:

      That’s teh Stop Gun Violence website with the video. Vid also linked on Youtube here

        • Lynn says:

          I was just coming to post this. Chilling, isn’t it?

          • J4TMinATL says:

            Yes chilling. Has Jeremy on couch…smh

            I’ll post this via social media. Thanks for sharing!

        • crazy1946 says:

          ay2z, Thanks for posting this chilling video! This is but one of the problems that we suffer from in this nation today! This is one of the main reasons I am having a difficult time focusing on problems in other nations over the problems we face in our own nation… Fix our country first, how can we fix other countries when we can’t even protect our own children from violent death or injury?

          • ay2z says:

            Yes, addressing problems at home is important, but being aware, understanding the problems afar, is critical because we do not live in isolation.

            So what happens in other countries, it’s like watching from 20 thousand feet. The US did not enter WW2 until it was forced in by Japan. There were US citizens who signed up independently, but the country stayed out, not their business, plus the strong ties pre-war to Hitler’s Germany. Then of course, Hollywood turns the war into a victory for the US.

            Canada had it’s own back turning moments, with a Prime Minister who used his crystal ball (literally) as a consultant, dear old MacKenzie King, who, btw, turned away a ship of refugees, white but Jewish, from the ports of Canada, turned them back to Europe.

            We can’t just say we have our own problems to deal with, we live in a global society, and democracy is fragile. What on earth would the assassination of some little leader named Tito in Europe have to do with stability of the world? Just spared a little conflict that came to be known as WW1.

            Canadians may be far more aware of what is going on in the US for good reason, not the least of which is the long domination of US media in our country.

            When Pierre Elliot Trudeau announced the invocation of the War Measures Act (posted the speech on another thread), the actions did not weaken democracy and the distastful invocation was over quickly. We were not left with a blackwater or para-military, we were not left with a constant hyping of threats by national color-coded alerts, we were not able to have our mail opened, our bank account funds disappeared, our children’s letters from summer camp, disappeared, our journalists put on watchlists. We did not have threats hyped, and fake threats used by our leader, the US

            But the US has.

          • ay2z says:

            And, if you listen to the whole lecture by Naomi Wolfe, we do not have people in brown shirts uniforms (of another colour), outside our polling booths, as happened in Florida dudring the Bush era. If someone in a lecture hall at a Canadian university, they probably won’t be hauled out for asking a political leader in the party in power, a hard question. That apparently happened at a Florida u. — sown somewhere on youtube.

          • crazy1946 says:

            ay2z, I do understand your position, however IMO if we can not put our own house in order how can we put some one else’s in order? By expending enormous sums of money on other countries problems yet not wanting to spend anything to resolve the problems that our own citizens suffer from actually weakens our nation much more than cutting off aid to other nations would. The middle east has been at war from practically the beginning of recorded history, yet we want to deplete our resources in a futile effort to change their way of life? Would not that be much like my getting in the middle of a fight between you and your wife? Sorry, but we can not as a nation continue to be the worlds sugar daddy… Time to feed and care for our own people until we stabilize our own country, then and only then extend help to other nations… Again this is simply my opinion, and our government will not ask me what to do, and will continue down the path to destruction….

  6. ay2z says:

    Prof wrote:

    Reporting the truth is not engaging in terrorist activity.

    Naomi Wolfe had the same experience, put on ‘the list’ for speaking to a terrorist, well hello (paraphrasing Naomi), it”s what we do, we are journalists, we can’t do our job without talking to those who we are writing about.

    • ay2z says:

      (should say, a terrorist source– will try to find the section of her lecture that dealt with this point)

    • colin black says:

      One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter Nelson Mandella quoteing Che Guvarra from imprisonment on Robins Island .

      • ay2z says:

        If the government decides that they can name common civilians as terrorists, that MAKES the ordinary civilian, a terrorist. And the definition of ‘terrorist’ becomes ever widened to encompass more and more people.

  7. colin black says:

    An since the Gaurdian were paying for his tickets an hotels then the guardian would be aware of his schedule his ittinniary

    Connecting flights an when he would be on british soil an the police were there conveinantly to arrest an detain an forign national.

    An if he was as I suspect arrested in a transit lounge not even legaly on british soil.

    The guardian trys to potry its self as a centre nutral libral agenda politics wise

    But its as establishment as you can get.

    The british press breaks the law with impunity because it works hand in glove with law enforcement

    Just like the express grassed on Ronnie Biggs the great train robber an escapee.

    Living in Brazil the express got the scoopof a life time an then handed him over to the law.

    Although Biggs foiled them an escaped again as he had impregnated a local woman an had a Brazilian Child an therefore nationality by proxy

    An Brazil had no extradition treaty with Brittian except for murder.

    So he walked but the express expected him arrested .Two storeys in one

    Interveiw an arrest an capture they got 3 interview arrest capture an then release…

    It infuriated a British Muti millionaire businessman so mach he paid mercenaries hundreds of thousands to but a yaught an sail out to Brazil captutre Biggs kidnap him drug him take him on the boat an sail him to the British Bahamahas wich all transpired an happened an yet again Giggsy escaped the claws of british Justice an was set free to return to Brazil.

    Fucking british Murdoch press is corrupt an rotten to the core with most of the top brass of Scotland yard on there chrismas card list dinner party list an brown paper envelope pay role.

    They illegaly tap phones an txts an feed info to the police.

    An for this the police let them tap the royals Diana mostl an Prince Charles but even the queen Mothere voice mails were hacked

    Murdered missing at the time Mill Downlings phonw were hacked her voice mail hacked by the news of the world an when her voice mail became full.

    They erased the messeges so more could be spyd on.

    This led her Parents to believe she was alive an clearing her messages.

    The Gaurdians just as corrupt they were all at it Peirs Moron even bragged about hacking Elton johns an other celebs when he was editor of the daily mail….

    The only hope for Eygypt is for the soldiers whom have familys brothers an sisters as civilians

    Unless the common grunts on the ground refuse to fire upon there own people an turn against the twenty or so corrupt generliimos that realy run the country then democracy can have a chance but this seems unlik.ey as they have shown them selfs more than willing to kill there own.

    Only other option is a forign intervention takes the army out much like Isreal did to the eygyption airforce an artillery in the 6 day war.

    I f a no fly zone were possible and or no air force or tanks then the army wouldn’t have the power to inflict there agenda onto the populace.

    I suspect many common soldiers would defect if thre power hold was broken.

    The army keeps using scape goat powerless puppets as head of state .

    Isreal isn’t going to get involved as they know the genarals haven’t the balls to attack them an have a guaranteed peace traty as long as the army runs the show an kills an imprisons mebers of the muslim brotherhood its all gravy to them.

    Ditto reason why U S A wont get involved UK does what America tells us so we wont get involved so it looks as if the citizens of Eygypt an ecpecialy the facebook revolutionist youngsters that kicked of the first upriseing almost two years ago are faceing genoside at the hands of the millatary along with the Muslims exteamists whom don’t have to be etreme just labelled as such.

    An we in the West an East an all points North an South will jst sit back an watch it unfold aghast as each new atrocity reaches us

    Secure in the knowlage if there reporting a thousand dead then the numbers realy ten fold an on an on it goes until some new crisis in Syria or Lybia

    Take Eygypt of the front page its almost a repeat of the fall of the Iron Curtain remember?

    After years of Communisim Dictatorship an repressed media propa gander dureing the cold war.

    The Thaw in the cold war happened over night within a year

    The Berlin wall fell Gorbachev an communism was over thrown.

    An the entire eastern Europe went to War the former Yugaslavia splintered an the Balkans fought civil wars Serbia an Kosovo had concentration camps

    United Nations were bombing thousands of civilians by mistake

    All sorts of countrys an regions stable for fifty years erupted with the end of communism

    If nothing can fill the vacuum left behind in power

    Then chaos is inevitable

    So with the fall of so many dictaorships in the arab spring again into the void rushes mayhem an chaos

    Regions stable for fifty years at each others throats over night

  8. Woow! says:

    So which is worse for Egypt, the MBH or the military? They both equally kill and keep the country in turmoil.

    • crazy1946 says:

      Darn, I guess this is going to cause a shortage of camel’s! I suppose the price of camel dung is going to go sky high. Y’all better stock up on camel dung quickly before the price increase…(sark)

    • looneydoone says:

      Don’t know, but one thing’s certain
      Israel benefits by there being a us puppet strongman in power.
      There’s been a coup in Egypt, and I suspect it was engineered to serve USrael and Saudi *interests*

    • crazy1946 says:

      Perhaps some people might find my comment (very) callous.. Maybe it could be, however with the current state of affairs in this country, it is difficult for me to divert the energy to truly concentrate on problems that have no immediate impact on the huge problems that we as a people face on a daily basis in this nation.. I do hate it that people are losing their lives and freedoms in other nations, but are those problem encouraged by our political leadership here in an effort to take our eyes off the need for reform in our own nation? Face it guys, we are but one small (baby) step from being the next Egypt… Look around you, can you not see the signs of civil discord brewing? Do you not see that we have problems that our attention is being distracted from by less important things? Ok, time to run for to my rock and craw under while awaiting the incoming bombs and bullets! Who is that knocking on my cave’s door, the NSA?

  9. Woow! says:

    There is a black female 23 in Houston that shot and killed a white male 22 after a minor fender bender. He allegedly got out of his car and started beating on her window and she stood her ground and shot him.

    I mentioned this because the Treepers and other KKK sites are in an uproar because a black women stood her ground she could have drove off yada yada yada. Then they compare this situation to TM and GZ with obviouse explanation that GZ had his head bashed and this woman didn’t.

    This guy had no business getting out of his car if he was not going to exchange insurance info.

    Stand Your Ground was not meant for people of color only white people. This woman has been indicted even though TX stand your ground is not defined….. you do not have to retreat in TX.

    • crazy1946 says:

      Woow, You are correct the NRA (Normally Racist Ass) does not consider her covered under the stand your ground laws, for several reasons, first she is a woman (and to the cons women have no rights), second she is black (can’t give black folks equal rights, that is not normal) and finally it is because she is a black female and that means she must be a welfare queen and deserves no rights…..

    • Two sides to a story says:

      Just one more reason SYG gives too much leeway to kill, in my opinion. We’ll probably have 99,000 such killings before people get tired of the Wild West tactics.

    • Tzar says:

      that story has no “legitimate” source
      you got a link?

  10. Woow! says:

    The people who run the middle east has a lot in common with our GOTP……they are the party of Hate and Stupidity and once in a position of authority those jokers are drunk on power. They are like drug addicts, once they get that first bill full of craziness passed, they continue put forth more stupid intrusive bills. God help us all.

  11. Deborah Moore says:

    Fred –
    And, you know that notion, just crossed my mind.

  12. crazy1946 says:

    Has anyone heard any rumors about what the outcome is going to be from the hearing scheduled for Wed. of this week for the perjury charge against Shel-lie? Is this going to be another triumph over the justice system for the criminal Fogdoit family? Are they immune from justice?

    How about the Dunn, trial, any new information on it? I have not heard anything for a while, since the last mention on this site…

  13. Two sides to a story says:

    I thought Mubarak was dreadfully ill – or was that a ruse? He appeared in court in a hospital bed at one point.

    So was the journalist harassed by British officials or did our Yankee brethren chime in too?

  14. crazy1946 says:

    How long did Snowden work for the NSA? Was he a long time employee?

    • Two sides to a story says:

      If my memory serves me well *coff*, I believe he was employed just a few months.

      • crazy1946 says:

        Silly me, but to me that would raise a red flag! Perhaps a plant for political purposes? I would how ever fail to see him as a whistle blower or a patriot. If he had been a long time employee perhaps I could lend a little credibility to him and his alleged claims… Of course that is just my simple opinion…. One might consider who had what to gain by his actions… In some ways he seems to be another Lee H. Oswald, or Timothy McVeigh, set up as a patsy by some unknown power…

        • Deborah Moore says:

          Crazy is as crazy does.
          I think I’m smelling the same crazy rat shit that you are.

          • Woow! says:

            Deborah Snowden did initially say he got a job with the contractor just to get information to make public. He had an motive from the beginning. How in the hell could he get that job without a GED or college degree is beyond me. I have friends with Masters degrees and squeeky clean background that Boz would not hire.

            Crazy isn’t too crazy.

          • Woow! says:

            Woow I do not need to post when sleepy. My bad Deborah, I smell the same crazy rat bobo too.

        • Two sides to a story says:

          I wondered about that too. Seems like it could be a big manufactured tempest in a teapot.

  15. Drew says:

    Would you expect anything less from the US?

    I’m sure that’s one of the reasons why GG and David chose not to dwell in the states.

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