47 Responses to Frog Gravy: The Hole, The Chair and The Holding Cell

  1. Trained Observer says:

    If only this were fabulous fiction and not beyond harsh reality. We all need to become better informed. Keep writing. .

  2. EveryoneIsEntitledToTheirOpinion says:

    The trial was over upon the selection of that jury. The media can claim anything they want those jurors are deep-southerns and their mind-set is really slave days.

    • I am actually beginning to theorize that the trial may have been over before it started. There is a lot missing. Huge chunks. And lots of weirdness from the get-go, starting with Judge Lester, who 1) did not really have harsh words, considering that he had been boldly lied to and 2) he did grant bail.

  3. degraveegmailcom says:

    yas thet is!lol.

  4. Woow! says:

    Why is MOM so confident the DOJ won’t pursue charges against CAC?

    • Boyd says:

      I don’t see a way. Don’t listen to MOM. He makes me so so mad and I do not need more blood pressure issues. Tired of the Press being nice to all those creeps allowing them to tarnish the kid’s name for over 1 year. That British guy kissing Zimmerman Jr. butt for 9 months, yuck!

      Along with a boycott and a DOJ threat, stop watching the cable TV news outlets that allow this demonizing of the victim. It’s sick, I’ve seen no media types slam it, they just sit there and listen.

      I refer to it as bathing in the kid’s blood.

      I’m not saying you are doing that.

  5. degraveegmailcom says:

    I have no prove but thet is a bogus story.The is no prove in the story as to it’s veracity either.

  6. Boyd says:

    I was surprised by this story, did some research and holy cow plenty of people complain about some dude named Sled.

    I thought they stopped this crap back in the 70’s.

  7. Woow! says:

    I just ran across this article. I am not familiar with the website therefore I do not know if this is a legitimate but here goes:

    http://pocho.com/they-maid-me-do-it-says-latina-juror-in-zimmerman-case/

    They maid me do it,’ says Latina juror in Zimmerman case
    by VICTOR PAYAN on JULY 17, 2013 in EL NOW, POCHO ÑEWS SERVICE

    • Boyd says:

      Not legitimate, but funny, what are her rates for housecleaning.

      • Woow! says:

        I thought she was a nurses aid….

        I do hope she tell someone what happened to make 3 jurors change their stories.

        • Boyd says:

          what happened was stupidity. Say he’s a lair and stick to your guns.

          anyway, the article was a spoof, none of it true.

    • Trained Observer says:

      Hilarious satire, prime for a Saturday Night Live rip-off. These female jurors deserve to be butts of jokes for a long, long time … while the world awaits federal charges for Fogen.

  8. EveryoneIsEntitledToTheirOpinion says:

    Professor I was pointing out that you and everyone falsely accused me of being the original poster. All of you falsely accused me. I did not post it originally and you should have allowed me to point that out. That was biased.

    It was MY FOREHEAD THO who posted the photo. it was conveniently overlooked.. With all do respect, clarification to the original poster of the photo was needed.

  9. abbyj1 says:

    Crane-Station, Brutal and raw, infused with a harshness and fear that few will ever know, unless they’ve witnessed or experienced it themselves. Congrats to you.

  10. SearchingMind says:

    I have always been bewildered as to why the elite-left hate and despise Guantanamo Bay so much, while ignoring the primitive, morally deplorable and IMO criminal treatment and abuse of prisoners in United States prisons. In 1948, three years after WWII, the United States played a key role in drafting the text of- and bring about the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 5 of which reads as follows: “No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment”. Real torture and severe mental/emotional abuse take place on a daily basis in jails and other total institutions (e.g. psychiatric institutions, etc.) around the country. Also, as we speak tens of thousands of survivors of torture, asylum seekers, victims of trafficking, families with small children, the elderly, individuals with serious medical and mental health conditions are locked up in prisons around the country facing deportation. Incrassation as such is not the main issue for many prisoners but rather the systemic and systematic cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment that come with it. It is hat degrading treatment, that mental- and emotional abuse that takes away the humanity in- and from a person, reduces him to an animal and literarily destroys him inside-out. A lady from Afghanistan, a client of a colleague, committed suicide after she was stripped naked and searched including deep down her private part. The shame and humiliation she felt was such that she could not bear to live anymore. Abusing prisoners and watching them suffer seems immanent in our culture and acceptable to ordinary folks. I have seen a lot of suffering that I want to quit and return to the farm in a small town America where I grew up without having to see, for example, toddlers and children not older than 12yrs locked up with their mothers in detention facilities.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      ” I have always been bewildered as to why the elite-left hate and despise Guantanamo Bay so much, while ignoring the primitive, morally deplorable and IMO criminal treatment and abuse of prisoners in United States prisons. ”

      Because people are either woefully uninformed or misinformed. So many don’t like to look at what needs to be fixed in this country and would rather wave flags and boast about the greatest country in the world, or they’d rather save the polar bear, etc. Lots of people are uncomfortable with prison issues and there’s certainly a lot of superficial brainwashing directed toward the public by those who profit from incarcerating the poor and defenseless.

    • We are playing fast and loose with the 8th Amendment in this country, turning county jails into prisons and caging America. Because it’s profitable. My goal is to shine some light of day onto this secret society of our jails and prisons. We incarcerate more people than Stalin’s gulags:

      http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/atlarge/2012/01/30/120130crat_atlarge_gopnik

  11. Judy A Vallejos says:

    what happens with zimmerass now ?

    we all wait for word on federal charges/investigation and in the mean time….does he get to leave the country?

    is he still under any kind of rule?

    can he leave if he is not already gone?

    I am still reeling from this unjust verdict…

    No Justice No Peace

    This will not go away….

  12. Boyd says:

    really?

  13. Johnnie says:

    You should write a book. Initially, I thought about not reading it. After I begin reading it, I hated to see it end. Sorry you had to go through this but perhaps it bought something to light that you never even contemplated……becoming an author. You write very well.

    • SearchingMind says:

      X2. You should write a book, Crane. I think you have the talent to do that. One of the first things I learnt in my first semester as a student – and was a shocker to me then – is the existence of different “truths” and the difference between those “truths”. The law has its own method of establishing what it considers the “truth”. ‘Legal truth” more often than not has nothing to do with what actual- and/or abstract- and/or objective truth. In many cases, legal truth is devoid of truth itself. The criminal justice system does not define you – if you don’t let it to. You define yourself and put things in context and perspective. A book is one of the ways of doing that. A book is also one of the best ways to fight back (if there is a need to do so).

    • I have written the incarceration portion of the book already. Three chapters are published in an anthology. I will add the legal case, and submit it for publication. This is my plan. There are 86 Frog Gravy essays so far, I think, something like that, and they are all pretty much of a wake-up call. Maybe I’ll publish another here today, then publish one a day, but my goal is to get Frog Gravy in print.

      The legal case is about as egregious as it gets, but first I’ll put the incarceration portion here.

      So anyway, for today, I will put one more chapter, to give readers a feel.

      Bring Pepto Bismol.

      • Trained Observer says:

        If only this were fabulous fiction and not beyond harsh reality. We all need to become better informed. Keep writing.

        • The only type of fiction I have ever tried/done is satire. or dark humor. Something like this is impossible to make up. It is lifted directly from my notes, written with a no-shank pen, and then mailed to my family.

          True story: I actually wrote myself out of this jail. I mean, I wrote constantly, nonstop, about the reality of jail conditions, to Frankfort, to Washington, DC, to every official I could think of, until one day, the jail received a surprise visit from the folks in Frankfort. That was after the pregnancy disaster that I ran in to Frankfort word for excruciating word. Anyway, I got shipped to the hellhole ‘Ricky’s World,’ a dungeon, but at least a workable one. That is also in Frog Gravy.

          • Vickis Smith says:

            @Trane-Station-

            Please let me know if you’d like any advice re getting material published or whatever; I will give this to my husband; he’s a free-lance writer and author.

            IMO, you have material for a best-seller.

            Wish you could change the title to “Tofu Gravy”, though- I’m a vegetarian :o)

            BTW, my husband wrote on N Ireland for years- and is quite familiar the atrocities done to Irish Catholics. He would be quite empathetic to your experiences, believe me.

          • Yes yes yes I need advice! So far, I have done the Anne Lamont advice and written, then put away the incarceration experience, so I have have another look at the first draft, which pretty much always sucks according to Lamont.

            It needs some grammatical tweeks but not much major altering, in terms of the dialogue, which is literally as if I recorded conversations.

            The title Frog Gravy comes from a conversation I overheard in prison, where inmates were discussing, believe it or not…Frog Legs in Frog Gravy. When I heard “Frog Gravy,” I thought, “That’s it. That is the title.” Of all of the weird conversations I overheard, it may have been:

            “I don’t really go for all that sucking the brains out stuff, but I do eat the tails.”

            The road kill recipe conversation degenerated to Frog Gravy.

            Yup. But anyway, I need all the help I can get! Advice welcome!

          • Yes yes yes I need advice! So far, I have done the Anne Lamont advice and written, then put away the incarceration experience, so I have have another look at the first draft, which pretty much always sucks according to Lamont.

            It needs some grammatical tweeks but not much major altering, in terms of the dialogue, which is literally as if I recorded conversations.

            The title Frog Gravy comes from a conversation I overheard in prison, where inmates were discussing, believe it or not…Frog Legs in Frog Gravy. When I heard “Frog Gravy,” I thought, “That’s it. That is the title.” Of all of the weird conversations I overheard, it may have been:

            “I don’t really go for all that sucking the brains out stuff, but I do eat the tails.”

            The road kill recipe conversation degenerated to Frog Gravy.

            Yup. But anyway, I need all the help I can get! Advice welcome!

          • PS I am a McCourt fan: Frank, Malachy and Angela. My limited familiarity with that history comes from Frank McCourt, and I am aware that some have criticized him for historical accuracy. At the same time, he is a great writer, and the topic is gut-wrenching but fascinating.

            I would be interested in seeing your husband’s writing as well.

      • Two sides to a story says:

        I can hardly wait until publication!

        Jaded Ibis is a small press noted for their ground-breaking, award-winning books, and they do memoirs and love unusual, gritty ones like yours – submit prose work in September only.

        It’s so unfortunate you had to go through what you did, but you were chosen as Trayvon and his family were chosen to make a difference in the world, I suspect.

        Write or die!

        • Thank you so much for the information. September is just around the corner. I can submit the incarceration portion for sure, because it is completed. Fred will need to help with legal analysis.

        • Thank you so much for the information. September is just around the corner. I can submit the incarceration portion for sure, because it is completed. Fred will need to help with legal analysis.

  14. degraveegmailcom says:

    I hate this happened to you but I love your style! And am spellbound by the narrative.
    Sincerely from
    Elizabeth

  15. KateW says:

    😦 This is exactly where Trayvon Martin’s killer should be. Is this democracy? People with lesser crimes get the shaft while killers go free to roam and kill again.

    • I often joked, but it’s actually true, that I should have killed someone. But then again, had I killed someone and walked, the account Frog Gravy would not exist, and I think it is a story that needs to be told.

      I recently read an odd article that said if one wishes to be a writer, to somehow find a way to do prison time.; It’s a strange thing to say, but true.

      PS This story gets worse, and within the past month, a 21-year-old man died in the McCracken County jail. He is not the first inmate to die in there.

      • dianetrotter says:

        So this happened to you??? I was going to read a couple of paragraphs because I don’t usually read long articles. I couldn’t stop reading. Wow!

        • Yes. Frog Gravy is my nonfiction incarceration account. To keep from going completely insane (which happened anyway) I wrote down everything I observed, around the clock. Events. Direct quotes. Everything. Every few days, I mailed the notes to my parents in Seattle, for safe keeping, because I knew that staff would confiscate them.

          Wait till you read about the pregnancy disaster in jail. You won’t even believe your eyeballs. I ran that little gem, along with other stuff, in to Frankfort, to the governor, and I became the first inmate ever to actually write myself out of a jail.

          McCracken County Jail got a surprise visit, and I got transferred to Ricky’s World for that one. McCracken County Jail be hating on me hard: ours is not a happy marriage.

          One quite literally cannot make this stuff up.

          • parrot says:

            I’d be interested in reading from the beginning.

            I read a little about what motivated the case against you on your blog, but got so depressed that I stopped reading.

            I would be willing to finish it this time.

            I’m so sorry this happened to you and the professor.

          • When I pressed my Frankfort attorney for the ‘why,’ she theorized that it likely did have to do with his blowing the whistle on a corrupt start-up law school in town.

            Even though I would not have taken a plea, their ‘plea’ offer was coincidentally eight years, the exact same as what the jury, who apparently felt free to gossip about my case in church, gave me.

          • Sorry for the double/triple comments: It is my computer, the actual machine, and not me or WordPress. Fred will delete accordingly.

  16. EveryoneIsEntitledToTheirOpinion says:

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