Welcome to liveblogging day 12 Zimmerman trial (morning session)

Wednesday, July 10, 2013

Good morning:

I apologize for not producing a post yesterday reviewing what happened during the morning and afternoon sessions. I have a good excuse. however. Court was still in session after 9 pm EDT when I retired for the evening.


In a nutshell, the computer animation that the defense wants to present to the jury is a restatement of the same false narrative that Mark O’Mara has been pushing for the past year. It is based on many disputed facts, including some facts in witness statements by people who have not testified during the trial.

As if that were not bad enough, the defense did not provide the computer guy or Dr. Di Maio with a complete set of the defendant’s statements.

Court is going to resume in a few minutes at 9 am EDT.

Judge Nelson is determined to resolve the pending defense motions without burning up any more jury time.

Here’s the link to the livestream coverage.


See you in court.

UPDATE: Judge Nelson rescheduled the starting time today to 9 am

She issued two orders from the bench:

(1) The defense cannot introduce the computer animation as substantive evidence, but may use it for illustrative purposes (i.e., can be used to explain or illustrate evidence that has been admitted. This means that the jury cannot consider it as evidence in the case and it will not go back into the jury room during jury deliberations.

(2) The defense request to mention and introduce evidence obtained from Trayvon Martin’s phone is denied.

UPDATE 2: Judge Nelson told the defendant that he has a right to testify or not testify and she recommended he discuss those rights with his lawyers. She told him that later on she will be asking him if he is going to testify.

Presumably that will occur late this morning or during the afternoon session.


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2,450 Responses to Welcome to liveblogging day 12 Zimmerman trial (morning session)

  1. Deborah says:

    I wonder if the defense has played a trick on the court. Did they intentionally bring up Trayvon’s phone records etc and ask for them to be entered to force Judge Nelson to give them something else they wanted i.e the animation. I mean it seems strange to me that they would ask for those to be entered considering that it had been decided at the start of the trial that those records were in limine. I thought once something like that had been decided, there would be no changing the judge’s order. I know she has been bending over backwards to seem fair to both sides so maybe that was their tactic? Being in the public eye has made this even harder for her, as the trial is being watched around the world. I think the defense is taking advantage of that and behaving badly to get what they want.
    I also wonder about the prosecution’s lack of preparedness on the matter of rebuttal witnesses. Up to now they really don’t seem to have laid out a coherent theory regarding what they think happened that night. What about the witnesses who saw Zimmerman on top of the boy. Isn’t it possible different people were on top at different times during the struggle.
    Also when O’Mara demonstrated with the dummy, why did the prosecution not point out that it would have been very difficult for a skinny boy to lift a 204 pound man and bang him on the ground in that ridiculous way? Or did he??? I find it hard to believe that they could have missed that opportunity but they have missed so many others I suppose I should not be surprised.

  2. Dee says:

    I cant find the article that Mr. Pollock was arrested for batter, Hitting a woman at his gym. How can he testify in court with a charge on him?. I seen in on this site on yesterday.

  3. Dee says:

    Why did the state show that Mr. Pollock was charged in beating a woman? I don’t get it.

  4. Ty Flair says:

    Watching CNN about this case,I might as well just turn to Fox news about this case.

    • Dee says:

      These people on HLN cannot be that dumb that they truly think that Zim could be possible make up all of that. However, they assume a 17-year-old can. Remember they said that Trayvon must have known MMA when these grown up have to go year to class to learn this. What they thought Trayvon was learning all of these at 10 yrs old.

  5. smokeegyrl says:

    i knew that was coming with Mr Pollock

    • Dee says:

      And he is also a woman beater, that was charged for battery as well. We all know now that Zimmerman was not a fighter, he is a KILLER.

  6. gldgirl63 says:

    ok guys help me out here….why the trainer again……

  7. Dee says:

    Z daddy lied on stand . Look at this lips answers both questions. He licked the inside of his gums both time. Ask a body expert of the little tell tale signs of lying.

  8. “Expert” on channel 9 says JN shouldn’t allow this.

    • Woow! says:

      Why shouldn’t she, he violated sequestration. News people are too biased and should stop commenting. People will start to belive what they say and screw themselves up if they ever had to before a judge.

  9. PerfectlyImperfect says:

    I hope they bring perjury charges against this witness if he doesn’t testify to promoting the trial and his gym via the trial on his website for his gym.

  10. Dee says:

    I think they are reading this blog. 🙂

  11. colin black says:

    Kill a Kid only a quid

    I will show you what foggagge did


  12. Woow! says:

    Oh boy, the prosecution has been doing their homework.

  13. MrSykes says:

    Niiiiiiiiiiice. Got his ass on the “Zimmerman training” stunt. Niiiiiiice.

  14. fauxmccoy says:

    ha!!! marketing the zimmerman ‘brand’ on his website!

  15. Dee says:

    Hope they ask about beating this woman.

  16. J4TMinATL says:

    Former neighbor says Zimmerman was 'sweet' | News – Home http://t.co/7XKFDYzt— Olivia bertalan (@OliviaGrace18) March 29, 2012

  17. Beverly says:

    Can OMara….be any ruder to this Judge? He has no respect for her, then he shows that slippery grin.

  18. chills101 says:

    I knew he wouldn’t….. Scary ashhhh… he’s no dummy well not as dumb as i thought.

  19. ChrisNY~Laurie says:

    Fogen doesn’t look so well right now.

  20. willisnewton says:

    what were those names of the state’s witnesses? David is all i heard

  21. Marsha says:

    After he’s convicted, I am sure that Zimmerman will appeal and say that he really, really, really wanted to testify and that his lawyer wouldn’t let him.

  22. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    Next page — new Posting page

  23. Tzar says:

    “overstretching it even more than Mr. Root did”

    He’s officially my favorite attorney on the team 😆

    • fauxmccoy says:

      watching him defend the state’s position on the ‘animated testimony’ was fabulous. i like bernie, i like guy — mantei however would be a fabulous judge someday. there is just something about his ability to reason, articulate, and argue on his feet is impressive. nelson knows it too.

      • Tzar says:

        “and argue on his feet”

        this is what impresses me the most

        • fauxmccoy says:

          yeah. i was a college debate team nerd and would argue anything, just for the hell of it. obviously not a lawyer, but formal argument and debate is art to me. mantei is above the rest here, outside of nelson and they both know it.

  24. Sabrina B. says:

    Why does MOM think his witnesses are stronger than the states regarding the calls.

  25. sparger says:

    Shockaroo. George will always be a soft and useless. He can’t even defend himself in court or out of court.

  26. willisnewton says:

    MOM asks for a dismissal

  27. ambernjcr1 says:

    Unbelievable, but I figured he would not do it.

  28. MrSykes says:

    To borrow Fogen’s phrase: Fucking punk. Stand up and testify like a man! You punked out fool.

  29. Sabrina B. says:

    I knew his punk azz was not going to do it. That would have entailed being a man, which he is clearly not.

  30. trina cosbie says:

    Damn he’s not testifying…

  31. Unabogie says:

    Fucking punk.

  32. J4TMinATL says:

    Nice try O’mara. You are trying to get RJ’s testimony on CD for juries to listen to.

    The jury is not getting it. We have to watch him, he’s going to try to get her interview to the jurors

  33. tonya B says:

    why are they putting words in Rachel’s mouth she said I coulda known that was trayvon ….. she didn’t lie

  34. Sabrina B. says:

    Ha! Can’t get anything over on JN!

  35. Jasmine says:

    Oh my goodness. So the point of her testimony is to say that young black males should be shot because of that burglary? Oh so we should kill all white males ages 50-60 since those are the characteristics of the man who murdered Cherish Perrywinkle? Oh and all Adam Lanza type young white males? Oh and all males whose last name is Castro seeing as that is the last name of the man who held 3 women for 10 years in Cleveland, Ohio??? Profiling at its best.

  36. Sabrina B. says:

    Prolonging. Stalling.

  37. Deborah Moore says:

    He was proud of his “kill”.
    He boasted on Hannity.
    He smiled and was proud at the video viewing.
    He will be disappointed, cheated if he doesn’t get his chance in the Box.
    That’s what I think, at this moment.

  38. groans says:

    BDLR asked Papa Z a single question:

    Bernie: “You listened to that tape six times, correct?”
    Papa Z: “No.”

    Papa tried to be oh-so cagey and clever!! But it turned out he had listened to it MORE than six times. Which, of course, means that he HAD, in fact, listened to it six times. So he LIED by denying that he had listened to it six times.


    I can’t imagine that escaped the jury’s notice, either.

    The apple does not fall far from the tree!!

  39. Woow! says:

    I missed PapaZ did anything good come out of his testimony?

  40. ChrisNY~Laurie says:

    I really really would l o v e to know what the defense thought Guy knew about or was going to bring up about Fogens conversations with Olivia. Fogen looked nervous.

    I remember a certain someone on here a while back that brought Burgess up…I bet you are pleased to know that yo and Guy are on the same page. 🙂

    I don’t know about anybody else, but I honestly think that Fogen wants to testify and is scared shitless right now. i LOVE IT.

    • MedicineBear says:

      If he’s scared, want to hear him scream and beg for his life — then let’s compare his voice with the screams on the recording.

  41. Nef05 says:

    Ummmmm, what just happened? I went to get some juice from the fridge, and it was over? Is there a proffer for the cross, or an objection on hand?

    I was gone, like, 30 seconds!

  42. Dee says:

    I really think that Zimmerman in his mind think that he can changed these woman minds with his soft talk and a mouth full of lies.

  43. My Forehead Tho says:

    Hasn’t tweeted since last year:

  44. Dee says:

    HIs daddy showed that he was lying on both question he licked the inside of his gums. Oh the little tell sign of when people are lying.

  45. looks like zimmy boy didn’t like the Judge pressuring him and questioning him! he like smirked and stood there squinting his little beady eyes talking to himself pointing at his watch! seems like he was saying wait don’t tell me what i’m gonna do lady, I’ve got things to do places to go and kids to dehumanize and murder!
    wait!! I thought I had till the end of the day??!! help me look at mee!! i’m being victimized by the court!! west say something you idiot!!

    • gwynne says:

      And of course mom and skeletor don’t give a rats patootie about the inconvenience of a sequestered jury. They would love to drag out the answer from their star client.
      On the other hand, JN is very respectful of their time and sacrifice.

  46. T j jaxon says:

    I’m a visitor and just wanted to comment on F’s father’s testimony.
    He was shaking his head ‘no’ while saying he was sure it was F’s voice but when asked if he was sure he nodded his head when he said ‘certainly’. Body language doesn’t lie.


  47. Two sides to a story says:

    Gonna post this again since the threads are moving so fast

    Notice how Fogen Sr rolled his tongue around his mouth after his answers? Could be duper’s delight.


    – Inside the mouth

    “With mouth closed and tongue inside the mouth, you can still sometimes see what it is doing, although this is a hidden action and often the person themself does not realize they are doing this.

    Pressed against the cheek it can indicate thinking and uncertainty. This can also indicate contempt and a form of duper’s delight, especially when done briefly.

    Pushed in front of the teeth, pushing out the lips, can also indicate uncertainty.”

    Two sides to a story says:
    July 10, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    Sounds like if the tongue movement shows uncertainty, it could be extrapolated that this shows lying – saying one thing but showing the world you really thought the opposite.

  48. ic2fools says:

    15 minutes fogen 15 minutes

    GET IN THE BOX!!!!!

  49. Boyd says:

    hold it did he say “for this hearing”….. West and JN said for the trial!

    Please I hope the prosecution brings in rebuttal witnesses to show he’s no Pillsbury dough boy.

  50. groans says:

    CAC is kinda freaked. He didn’t seem to know his trial is getting close to the finish line.

  51. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    Will you or will you not testify, gz?

  52. willisnewton says:

    they left him alone at the table. Probably going to go wash thier hands.

  53. BB says:

    What do you want to bet they refuse to decide in fifteen minutes. JN will have to give them overnight, I think.

  54. ambernjcr1 says:

    He must not be ready to answer, he asked his attorney for the time several times.

  55. Ty Flair says:

    fogan scare a$$ hell.I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!

  56. Sophia33 says:

    How long is the recess. Also if Fogen feels that his team put on such a good case then why can’t he just say that he doesn’t want to testify when asked earlier?

  57. Rachael says:

    Oh shoot – I just got off work, saw there’s a recess and well – wow. I don’t know why I’m feeling so stressed.

  58. gwynne says:

    skeletor is muttering to foggen, foggen’s big moment coming up after recess! hope he decides it’s time for the big man on campus to step up and show mom and skeletor who’s boss!

  59. GrannyStandingforTruth says:

    No comment.

  60. groans says:

    Loved that Papa Z joke testimony! Bernie didn’t even dignify him by asking any questions!

  61. Tzar says:

    ha ha ha ha
    I actually get what the state is doing by not crossing him
    they don’t want make him a martyr or sympathetic punching bag

    • roderick2012 says:

      The only think that Bernie should have done was played Papa Zimmerman’s testimony in regards to the screaming on the 911 call and his response that it sounded like George…when he was a teenager.

      Then Bernie should have asked if he still hears a teenager screaming. LOL

      • groans says:

        Oooooooooo. Good point.

        But Bernie probably figured the dude is what the dude is – the killer’s dad. So what if dude says it’s his son’s voice? What else would anyone expect him to say?

        And why risk that defense would have concocted some slick response about the “teenager” issue. It could just get bogged down into back-and-forth about nothing. And why give any credence to what he says, anyway.

        I loved that Bernie basically dis’d him like he was a nothin’ and a nobody!

  62. Two sides to a story says:

    Notice how Fogen Sr rolled his tongue around his mouth after his answers? Could be duper’s delight.


    – Inside the mouth

    “With mouth closed and tongue inside the mouth, you can still sometimes see what it is doing, although this is a hidden action and often the person themself does not realize they are doing this.

    Pressed against the cheek it can indicate thinking and uncertainty. This can also indicate contempt and a form of duper’s delight, especially when done briefly.

    Pushed in front of the teeth, pushing out the lips, can also indicate uncertainty.”

    • Two sides to a story says:

      Sounds like if the tongue movement shows uncertainty, it could be extrapolated that this shows lying – saying one thing but showing the world you really thought the opposite.

  63. colin black says:

    First time for ever thing thanx o manac..

    foggagge is baffled she means you?

    Are you takeing the stand



  64. KittySP says:

    Scream! Me too!!! See if all those crib notes he’s been taking pay off.

  65. Sleuth says:

    That’s right, keep on re-call, and out of the courtroom.

  66. disappointed says:

    oh God he is playing stupid.

  67. Sabrina B. says:

    WTF? Where has he been? Does he know where he is?

  68. BB says:

    welll it’s the recess after the witnesses…. c’mon Georgie it floats down here!

  69. Beverly says:

    Ommm still calls the Court Sir….

  70. My Forehead Tho says:

    Fogen testifying ?!?!?

  71. chi1224 says:

    The jury is thinking WE DON’T WANT A BREAK GET THIS OVER WITH

  72. tonya B says:

    ??????? the f***

  73. MrSykes says:

    By George I think Fogen’s gonna do it!!

  74. disappointed says:

    whip out deposition and he starts singing like a bird.

  75. colin black says:

    foggage was in his element

    Free rent plus papa stay away pay.

    His wifes assisten grant for student at home studies / doing nails cosmoligst work
    Selling avon products cash in hand

    foggagge had full time employment decen wage

    An yet he wanted to live a champagene life style with champage money

    An couldn’t even manage that.

    Should have been minutes but was in debt chronic debt.

    His Pa Pa trying to act all old an frail an poor oldmanish…

  76. Sabrina B. says:

    To counter in case Donnelly’s testimony is struck?

  77. trina cosbie says:

    Sighing heavily……so I guess the so called relevance of this witness is to show that she didn’t know the guy who broke into her home had been arrested & apparently neither did Mr. NW wanna be cop & Trayvon fit the profile of that character & he was nice to her in the process??……smmfh

  78. Unabogie says:

    Man, he really is a cracker.

  79. Tzar says:

    MOM: “You know George Zimmerman as your son I presume?”
    RZSr: Yes

    fucking riveting

  80. Sleuth says:

    Oh, how I wish they would ask him about that racist book he wrote.

  81. MichelleO says:

    Stop the bullshit. Detective Serino got fogen to admit that he knew that Burgess was identified as the burglar and in jail for it. BUSTED.

  82. Deborah Moore says:

    Cross should be interesting here.
    Sir, if you were sitting at the bench and an attorney argued with you over and over about your “decisions”, would you feel that they were being disrespectful?

  83. tonya B says:

    ok now fogen wants to get emotional……. ohhhh now their gonna play the tape the one where he heard fogen screamin like that when he was teenager

  84. hip hip hooray!! hip hip hooray!!
    the grand PoopPA of idiocy and bigotry is now in the house!!

    state will impeach him by reminding him that he said he remembers zimmy boy screaming when he was a mere boy!! LOLOL

    • mrsdoubtfire says:

      Im hoping te Prosecution have an exemplar of Trayvon’s voice. BDLR seemed very confident when he was questioning witness #18 about the dominant voice she described.

      • don’t we still have rebuttal? so BDLR will be calling other witnesses.. I hope it’s the FDLE that’s for sure.

      • Lonnie Starr says:

        During closing I realized why Bernie didn’t want to go into timelines and maps. That could have given the defense something to work with. But the jurors will have enough materials in the jury room to work things out for themselves if they care to try, which is why Bernie put special emphasis on “circled my car”, if the jurors start working with the maps and times, they’ll quickly realize that the NEN calls and gz’s claims, not only do not line up, but that they are totally bogus.

        Omar is probably going to harp on gz being confused about where the fight happened, unfortunately for any such view, the “confusion” magically keeps disappearing from view as the story unfolds. Then Bernie will come back on his final close and finish off anything Omar lays down. gz is toast if I read Angela Corey’s face right.

        The pundits/aka/ talking heads are saying that one juror was “refusing to look at the prosecutor”, I’m pretty sure that idiot doesn’t realize that you have to lower your head to write notes. Because if what that pundit was saying were true, Omar and West as well as gz, would not have had such long faces.

        Did you catch the part of the closing where Bernie went skipping across the court room? The faces at the defense table would have stopped clocks.

  85. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    Aren’t you going to use the voice and tone of a magistrate?

  86. mrsdoubtfire says:

    I cant watch Magistrate Poppa Zim…Need to go floss

  87. willisnewton says:

    the defense is calling ANYONE at this point just to run out the clock to the end of the day where they can browbeat GZ into not demandig to take the stand I suspect.

    This is a STUPID Idea, calling the dad. he’s a racist thru and thru

  88. EveryoneIsEntitledToTheirOpinion says:

    This whole Zimmerman clan is a racist bunch… All blacks are criminals….

  89. Dave says:

    I guess she didn’t recognize the Voice.of thescreamer.

  90. BB says:

    Oh this cross will be good.

  91. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:

    oooo goodie racist Daddy… all the black people wrongly accused my son… ahh hemm…. Mr. Zimm Sr. there were 2million plus protestors and many of them were white, mexican, and latino/hispanic

  92. Tzar says:

    Robert Zimmerman Senior
    is up
    and I still want to know where is Jeremy

  93. I think she hurt the defense’s case by showing WHY Fogen profiled, surveilled, chased, caught, confronted, attacked, and killed Trayvon.

    • Marsha says:

      I agree! I’m glad they called her. It’s one thing to talk to your neighbor about a break-in but to talk to someone about it twenty times indicates obsession.

    • Nef05 says:

      Doesn’t matter “why”. It only matters that he “did” and it’s illegal. The action and the reason for it are two different questions, and the reason is because the justification for it can be wrong and people can get killed, which is murder (or at least manslaughter)….

      She definitively proved the first portion of Corey’s Charging Information.

  94. amsterdam1234 says:

    RZ sr. Is Guy going to ask him about his book?

  95. MOM sounds like he got punched in the stomach…

  96. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    Book signing?

  97. tonya B says:

    oh shit RZ sr

  98. Yorazigo says:

    Papa Z

  99. Nef05 says:


    • Nef05 says:

      Surprised the courtroom didn’t get struck by lightning for blasphemy when he took the oath – lying ass!

  100. breelee says:

    Woot! Papa liar and racist.

  101. fauxmccoy says:

    still have yer kids?

    daddy to the rescue!!!!!!

  102. BB says:

    She didn’t shoot her dog, LOL.

  103. Sabrina B. says:

    Racist dad.

  104. ada4750 says:

    Why Guy did not ask all the questions he made without the jury?

    The idea that GZ might thought could be the young man released is interesting, I don’t think he asked it in front of the jury. Or did i miss it?

    Why the cross are always so short This is killing me.

  105. Tc says:

    I think the defense witnesses today made the case m2 instead of manslaughter!!!!

  106. please be nasty and arrogant and dismissive to this young female WHITE witness omar!

    • fauxmccoy says:

      oh nooooo! she is the symbol of precious white southern womanhood — is that even legal???


  107. tonya B says:

    http://www.dc.state.fl.us/InmatePhotos/E/E38705.jpg Emmanuel burgess …… he is in prison now

  108. Nef05 says:

    I see what he did there. She was totally pro-fogen and STILL testified to benefit the prosecution.

    Smooth, Guy…….Very SMOOTH.

  109. My Forehead Tho says:

    So she’s a character witness?

  110. fauxmccoy says:

    i want to vomit.

  111. Sleuth says:

    Ooooo,…Oooooo…She’s been watching, tweeting….Oooooo oooo!
    And been on Nancy Grace.

  112. chi1224 says:

    This is actually a really good witness for the state IMO…. Fogen’s “ill will” was because he thought he had a home invasion person who victimized the neighbor he had a crush on.

  113. fauxmccoy says:

    oooooof! this might get good

  114. MrSykes says:

    Twitter strikes again!!!

  115. colin black says:

    oh no anoth boo boo a defence wittnes not following the rules


  116. ada4750 says:

    20 times … Shellie knew it?

  117. Sabrina B. says:

    Ill will, malice, spite. He was mad that the kid was let go.

  118. Sleuth says:

    Dang! There so busy lying, and trying to make the jury believe Trayvon was some big, strong linebacker, I wonder if the jury notices how much bigger the confessed murderer is than his lawyers.

  119. willisnewton says:

    GZ still talking to West. Come on George, TAKE THE STAND. You know you want to.

  120. Fat Fuck always stands up when they ask witnesses to identify him/ What an idiot.

  121. Boyd says:

    Dag. Everyone left RVC

  122. tonya B says:

    this is the guy that was arrested ………….. looks like fogen thought trayvon was this guy…………..http://www.dc.state.fl.us/InmatePhotos/E/E38705.jpg

    • Boyd says:

      Guy nailed him. I think your right. He thought that was the guy.

      • tonya B says:

        yes his name is Emmanuel burgess

      • Malisha says:

        I disagree. He was mad that someone ELSE got Burgess arrested; he wanted to be the hero and get the notch on HIS gun so he pretended the next Black kid he caught alone was “real suspicious.” If he hadn’t killed Trayvon, he’d be having Shellie testify that she saw HIM burglarize the neighbor’s house.

        • MedicineBear says:

          I concur.

          SPITE for the stucco guys being heroes (“stealing” HIS glory).
          ILL WILL for “these assholes [who] always get away” [from HIM].
          DEPRAVED MIND for pursuing a kid running from him in fear.
          DISREGARD for life by killing a kid when he didn’t have to.

    • cielo62 says:

      Tonya~ yep, that guy was sentenced to 5 years. NO WAY was he around whne gz tried his little stunt.


    • Malisha says:

      He was bigger and heavier than Trayvon Martin. He doesn’t look him at all. And he had already been arrested and everybody had heard about it. Ridiculous. It’s just an excuse for racial profiling. Remember Fogenpop saying that if Asians had robbed homes, his son would be profiling THEM instead of Blacks? These folks are so stupid they don’t know when they’re admitting their own stupidity!

  123. disappointed says:

    fogen is giving attorneys advice today.

  124. chi1224 says:

    Fogen thought Trayvon was the home invasion person, that’s why he was so desperate to detain him, he thought he was running to the back where that home invasion guy lived!

    • colin black says:

      He knew that Burgess was locked up in Juvey..

    • Boyd says:

      That’s why he got out of the car , and did not drive to the back gate.

      He knew the home invasion person lived in RVC, no need to go to the gate. it’s all making sense now.

      I’d like to know exactly where the home invasion guy lived

      • chi1224 says:

        O’Mara was an idiot to call that girl. We (and the jury) now know the real reason Fogen had no problem putting a bullet in Trayvon and why he had “ill will”, and thought it would be 100% justified, he would kill a “bad guy”.

        Oh yeah, that was a great witness for the STATE

        • MedicineBear says:

          Exactly! They must think they’re playing to a 1950’s jury hoping the jury sees a porcelain-skinned belle batting her big blue eyes and fanning herself with lily-white hands as she swoons at the memory of glistening black bucks RINGING HER DOORBELL {bat, bat, swoon} . . . the FRONT doorbell {dramatic wrist to forehead}! {bat, bat, swoon, smelling salts}

      • Malisha says:

        I’ll get that info for you — he lived nearby but he had been arrested on 2/7/2012 and was not out of jail then, or even now. He pled guilty to all three real home invasion burglaries that took place (none of them violent and not armed) and got five years.

  125. colin black says:

    foggagge just pretended to wipe a tear upwards with his casual sleeve rub

    As if the memory of his shelie tenderness witnessing this event fills him with woe.

    The Murder of a Child

    That’s a NO.

    • colin black says:


      Watch to see if he breaksdown in floods in front of Jury

      His chances to emote are disappearing rapido!

  126. disappointed says:

    OMG Wow! He chased Trayvon because of where he was staying.

  127. chi1224 says:

    Guy is pure genius… bring in Fogen’s jacked up profiling.

  128. lurker says:

    Georgie musta looooooved talkin’ to the hottie about her break-in. Over 20 times.

  129. Sleuth says:

    Too bad the State didn’t have the white woman testify about the the black man who came to her house several times a day and night, knocking on her door.

    The confessed murderer called the police on him and said the man was trying to break in her house.

    As it turns out, the man was someone she had befriended (maybe homeless) and she had been giving him meals.

  130. BB says:

    Whoa- she stoked GZ’s hero complex!! He killed Trayvon in her honor. Guess she owes him one now.

  131. disappointed says:

    WOW! Stalk much Fogen.

  132. Sabrina B. says:

    Successfully keeping away from the jury that fogen was not confrontational and on the hunt for blacks.

  133. colin black says:

    foggagge concerned about someone being forced into the closet.

    He wants to come out of the closet as a raceist big ott

    piece of shyte

    proffer at bench??

    No we proffer the proper way says J Nelson

  134. trina cosbie says:

    Who is this witness?? Why is her home invasion relevant to Zimmerman following & killing an unarmed teen? This is flippin ridiculous!!!

  135. chi1224 says:

    What the hell????

  136. Sabrina B. says:

    What doesn’t mom want in there now?

  137. BB says:

    Ask id Shellie witnesssed it. Or was GZ lying again.

  138. willisnewton says:

    wow here come some more prosecution exhibits, big posters that may have been timelines!!!

  139. Nef05 says:

    By the stucco guys, NOT fogen!!!

  140. sparger says:

    Was Trayvon the boy that broke into your house?

  141. fauxmccoy says:

    ok lady — so ultimately, you just lost some ‘stuff’ not to minimize your experience, but seriously, someone else here lost their life.

  142. Woow! says:

    Oh how many white women on this blog would automatically get scared because two black boys/men ring your door bell?

    White men ring my door bell all the time and I don’t get scared.

    • cielo62 says:

      Woow!~ ANY men ring my doorbell and I get cynical and/or suspicious. They either want to sell me insurance or a home security system OR they are religious nuts trying to sell me Jesus. Scared? Not so much.


  143. BB says:

    Is this the oft mentioned the “home invasion” – GZ lied to police and said Shellie witnessed it. they didn;t get in?

  144. MichelleO says:

    Watch her start crying.

  145. chi1224 says:

    I hope the state just skips cross…. what would be the point?

  146. Judy75201 says:

    Has Judge Nelson asked fogen if he is going to testify yet? Sorry, at work and can’t keep up. Thanks.

  147. Boyd says:

    what’s this have to do with trayvon martin?

  148. MrSykes says:

    Soooooooo, what do two black burglars have to do with Trayvon? Ahhh, thought so. This shit is getting downright racist now.

  149. degraveegmailcom says:

    What is the relevance of this racist giggly B…?

  150. ChrisNY~Laurie says:

    oh the lady whose house was burglarized wile she was home…wonder what the hell she can offer since she has nothing to do with anything at all other than to show she was scared and that there was a burglary near Fogen to make him want to be wanna be cop. ;0

  151. colin black says:

    ChrisNY~Laurie says:

    July 10, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    Who is this lady??
    @ house invasion lady the incident shellie allegedly wittnessd?

  152. What does this lady being robbed have to do with the price of tea in China?

  153. trina cosbie says:

    Go Rogue Georgie & Get in the BOX!!!! I have never seen defense attorney’s standing so close to their client when a judge asks their client questions. They don’t trust Zimmerman to utter a damn word without being fed first. That tells me Zimmerman wants to get in the box, but they don’t want him too….

  154. BB says:

    oh lord- because some white girl is scared, w can shoot innocent teens.

  155. My Forehead Tho says:

    Oh so they’re admitting that Fogen RACIALLY PROFILED Trayvon.

    This is ridiculous

  156. fauxmccoy says:

    this witness is bullshit

  157. chi1224 says:

    the lady who had the home invasion….. you’ve got to be kidding
    what the FUCK does this have to do with Trayvon’s murder???

  158. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:

    woman who had the home robbery or something to that effect

  159. Unabogie says:

    So they have no witnesses who were actually there. What is this happy horseshit now? What does this woman have to do with Trayvon Martin, who was NOT guilty of anything?

  160. Beverly says:

    No talk about MMA, wanting to be Police Officer, etc.

  161. colin black says:

    He pulled the trigger the mechanism in the weapon struck the hollow point bullet

    Srike one

    The hollow point Stuck Trayvon dead centre struck his heart.


    He then sstruck a POSE an complained about his NOSE.


    Get back up yer Tree.

  162. chi1224 says:

    who is this?

  163. breelee says:

    lmbo, Waste didn’t want him subject to recall…a bigger bill for the defense, I mean the donors.

  164. BB says:

    who is this woman?

  165. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:

    GZ’s aggressiveness had better come in…. I can’t believe they didn’t get into Trayvons perceptions since they were on the f’n subject!

  166. Yorazigo says:

    What did Guy say and what door did he open?

  167. ChrisNY~Laurie says:

    Who is this lady??

  168. Woow! says:

    Ethical criminal lawyers will avoid this man. He may have hurt his business with his BS testimony.

    • Malisha says:

      Woow, in Florida, that will cut his field down by seven tenths of one percent (ethical lawyers). The rest will be happy to hire him.

  169. disappointed says:

    Oh shit, subject to recall

  170. gwynne says:

    mom doesn’t want his boy recalled, too bad.

  171. mrsdoubtfire says:

    So Z was a fat wabba who couldn’t fight his way out of a paper bag therefore he just had to use his gun. As opposed to wannabe hero emboldnened by is ready to fire semi automatic wanted to hold TM for the cops ………..who were on their way.

  172. Sabrina B. says:

    Don’t want him to recall him/

  173. Unabogie says:

    Oh, he wanted to use this guy to make a new cartoon.

  174. MOM = NOOO!!!! Not recall

  175. My Forehead Tho says:

    This guy: “[Fogen] was not confrontational”

    Fogen: “These assholes always get away”…”Oh shit, he’s running” *runs after him* “he ran”

  176. disappointed says:

    I think the past is coming in. The prosecutor let this guy say a whole lot of shit about fogen being soft.

  177. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:

    GUY had him on the ropes… I’m pissed he didn’t finish him…

  178. EveryoneIsEntitledToTheirOpinion says:

    Complete racist!

  179. mom is not happy…???

  180. Cercando Luce says:

    Wish they’d ask if Z ever grappled with someone 50 lbs lighter.

  181. MrSykes says:

    Opened the door to personality and reputation.

  182. Unabogie says:

    So tell me this doesn’t open the door to his past scraps? I mean come on!

  183. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    I would say a crazed mindset out of control

  184. chi1224 says:

    At least Guy knows when it’s time to just get the douche off the stand! NEXT

  185. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:

    fuck me man….. guy fumbled that one

  186. Yorazigo says:

    Such a two-faced double talker.

  187. Tzar says:

    I am all about totality today

  188. mari says:

    Oh my God he is lying

  189. colin black says:

    Are all the defences witness going to be complete fools an tools?


    I know the answers affirmative.

  190. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:

    Ask why couldn’t TM be scared… are black kids not allowed to be scared? Fuck guy c’mon you can get this guy with his lame as Treestump answeres!

    • Malisha says:

      Black kids are not allowed to be scared because all’s they need to do is submit to authority and answer respectfully.

  191. Tzar says:

    So he was feeling a threat that went away then why do you follow the threat?
    these people are nuts

  192. Sabrina B. says:

    OMG! Straight from the zimmyfenders! This man is giving testimony.

    • Sleuth says:

      Most of the duh-fenses poor strategy has been harvested treepers.

      I’m sure he has had “The Robert Plant Girls/Guy” lurking here, and interacting with resident bloggers.

  193. disappointed says:

    here we go with the shit Trayvon should have ran home.

  194. Sleuth says:

    Yes, he said the confessed murderer’s perception of the threat was diminished when Trayvon ran, so why did he run after him. Should have kept his azz in his vehicle.

  195. fauxmccoy says:

    yes, mr ‘expert’, you did say the threat was gone when trayvon ran

  196. Sabrina B. says:

    Yes. Get it! Guy!

  197. Takes conscious thought…anything is possible…

  198. disappointed says:

    fogen held his gangster. Oh snap my man is on his back!

  199. colin black says:

    When we going to see the grey maneekin dude dressed in A Tshirt An Grey HOODIE.?

  200. EveryoneIsEntitledToTheirOpinion says:

    Blacks are warriors and Cubans are not?

  201. disappointed says:

    keep it to yes and no…. I have got to know today if fogen is getting in the box

  202. gwynne says:

    I hope the witness keeps implying that foggen is a fat wuss…might just get him to testify.

  203. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:

    c’mon guy you can totally get this guy on TM’s perception of what was happening to him that night… go back down that alley

  204. colin black says:

    its pronounced


    Curriculum Vitie as in flights of fancy

    Trayvon had Zuloo instinct

    Raceist much?

  205. chi1224 says:

    Just get this douche off the stand, his opinion is worthless.

  206. Tzar says:

    warrior mindset…wow

  207. EveryoneIsEntitledToTheirOpinion says:

    Oh my God!!! This racist!!!!

  208. Sleuth says:

    It ain’t so obvious that the confessed murderer was punched in the nose. He might have rhinoplasty surgery long before he ever crossed Trayvon’s path.

    Recoil broke his darn nose.

    • Malisha says:

      NOTHING broke his nose. Two little poopops half an inch apart seem to have broken the SKIN at the TIP of his nose. Now that Pinocchio’s nose is so much bigger, though, it is more vulnerable!

  209. MrSykes says:

    The warrior mindset? Internal fire? Bahahahahahaha!!!! Cheesy.

  210. Unabogie says:

    recoil indeed

  211. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    Ask about recoil

  212. Tzar says:

    this guy is such a bullshit artist

  213. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:


  214. disappointed says:

    Punched repeatedly?

  215. chi1224 says:

    It’s official, this Root guy is an epic asshole and liar and I am now convinced the jurors are also seeing the very things I am, it’s clear what this guy is about… crystal fucking clear.

  216. BB says:

    Ooops, GZ is not the first criminal who hired him.

  217. Nef05 says:

    Trayvon’s consideration is “small”. You know fighting for his life and all….

  218. Judy A Vallejos says:

    oh goodness…im so disappointed

    I have to shower and go to town
    I must I must cook dinner for my husband tonight

    I was hoping for the end of this dribble from o ima dumb ass and westerweird and their liar client

    no end in sight
    hope I don’t miss the closing arguments with prosecution

    will catch up later….

  219. disappointed says:

    this is yes or no questions.

  220. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:

    BOOM >… GUY NEEDS TO GET INTO TM’s perception… being followed by a creepy guy!

  221. chi1224 says:

    This asshole just discredited himself. STFU!! You have no fucking clue what Trayvon was doing!! What an evil man!

  222. J4TMinATL says:

    I’m getting a little “t(westy) here in Atlanta. I’m disappointed we haven’t had Professor & Crane here, the blog is slow, we need new threads….sorry y’all.

  223. fauxmccoy says:

    holy shit — dude claims to ‘know’ what trayvon was doing at the time of the shot. that looks ridiculous.

  224. gwynne says:

    Wow! expert witness KNOWS what Travon Martin was doing.

  225. Tzar says:

    Guy should ask him how old his step son is? and would running be good?

  226. Sabrina B. says:

    Wow! Are they admitting that Fogen may have pushed trayvon and trayvon should have used verbal commands? Are they serious with this?

  227. Boyd says:

    Now that I’ve heard the Defense witnesses, they all seem to be big proponents of SYG, CCW gun stuff. Forget the chasing, if the kid tried to protect himself he’s in the wrong! They want George to get off.

    This trial is scary, if they get their way. The Jurors have to send a serious message to the gun nuts

  228. Oh even when she overrules prosecution she sounds pissed at defense.

  229. My Forehead Tho says:

    Here we go with the truth.

    First West attempted the “Even if I hit you first, your response cannot be unreasonable” hypothetical and now O’Mara is..

    RJ said Fogen pushed/bumped/grabbed Trayvon first.

    • My Forehead Tho says:

      Now he’s trying to imply that Trayvon punching Fogen in response to getting hit first was unreasonable. I hope the jurors caught on to that.

  230. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    and when you consider that gz is lying

  231. Tzar says:

    so someone should walk away huh? what about running away?

  232. Deborah Moore says:

    Did you buy something cool?

  233. disappointed says:

    This is ridiculous. I hope these ladies see what is going on. MOM is asking if it’s okay to shoot someone dead.

  234. You all have thoughtful comments says:

  235. Lucy T says:

    okay, never mind, sorry — but refreshing does not work well at all.

  236. Unabogie says:

    Good lord, this testimony is total bullshit.

    “Mr. Root, would agree that helping people as a police officer is a really noble thing?”

    • MedicineBear says:

      Mr. Root would you agree that helping people [get away with the cold-blooded murders of blah-ack people] as a police officer is a really noble thing?

  237. J4TMinATL says:

    As y’all have mentioned above this is to manipulate the timing. MOM said before the iPad witness (Elouise Dilligard) was questioned, that he would rest.

    The concern seems to be the NAACP convention which is being held in Orlando from Saturday, July 13- Wednesday July 17th.

    The longer we go, the more West will break down. : )

  238. bellesouth says:

    Prosecution (Guy) ought to ask if he would recommend the doughboy for law enforcement. Doesn’t sound like he could handle it based on what he just said.

    • gwynne says:

      and after asking that, Guy should ask if he would have recommended Trayvon Martin to consider a career in law enforcement. I would love to hear the witness hesitate, consider how he should answer this…..

  239. Dee says:

    So they are trying to say that a 17 year old knew all of these things that he is speaking about when it took him years to learn. So when did Trayvon learn all of this stuff, at the age of 10.

    • Boyd says:

      a 17 year old 158yr old with no training. drop a 200lb with his weak hand , one punch. Next they’ll call him a future Muhammed Ali.

      While “Pillsbury dough boy’ Fogen hands are stationary thorough the whole beat down.

      I hope these ladies look at it from a guy’s perspective. recall they did not want the Karate guys on the jury.

      • Malisha says:

        Unfortunately not FUTURE Mohammed Ali.
        What they want is to prevent there from being future Mohammed Ali’s.

  240. fauxmccoy says:

    did he say he reccommends a LE career to people who LIKE confrontation? how does that help wannabe cop who can’t cut it?

  241. Stormwatch says:

    The guy who was president of the Florida senate judiciary committee who wrote SYG also wrote a piece for the Orlando Sentinel saying that SYG does not apply to Zimmerman.

  242. Sophia33 says:

    Sexist. STEP son = be a cop. Daughter = no

  243. colin black says:

    Noble = S P D = No balls

  244. Sophia33 says:

    I went out and came back and this fool is still on the stand. And this is just redirect?

  245. Lucy T says:

    The comments are more than an hour behind real time, even on refresh. This blog is not working for me.

  246. Nef05 says:

    He’s hedging and lying. Blood flows from the nostrils and does NOT flow up and he’s trying to avoid (head) saying that.

  247. Thrace says:

    I don’t see how any questions to his guy about fighting is relevant. Trayvon wasn’t a competitive semi-pro fighter.

  248. BB says:

    He is a sociopath- gives himself a lot of credit for getting over on people with his BS his whole life. Forgets all those people were family or total morons.

  249. chi1224 says:

    I need to mute again…. I can’t deal with this egotistical POS on the stand who knows NOTHING but fogen’s version, which is a flat out lie and he knows it!!

  250. fogen knows this guy is killing “his” case…he’s gonna testify…

  251. Sabrina B. says:

    Got the question that was objected to in. Re: small key chain flashlight indicating where fight started.

  252. Tzar says:

    MOM: I want to presume for a moment, that Mr. Zimmerman is innocent, given that presumption is Mr. Zimmerman innocent?

    Root: Yes

    MOM: your honor I move for an immediate acquittal

  253. Yorazigo says:

    This guy is really into SYG

  254. disappointed says:

    so for those 2 minutes its cool fogen went looking for Trayvon? okay these people should make sure their children are careful at night, because it sounds like they are giving the go ahead to chase teens down. Teens must submit to the adult.

    • breelee says:

      But they’ll think only parents of black children will have to worry, and they think they’re all thugs anyway. Sad.

  255. Woow! says:

    The crazies have a new conspiracy theory

    “Newly Released Documents Detail the Department of Justice’s Role in Organizing Trayvon Martin Protests”

    Also, this is why this case is so important to white crazy folks (I did not say all white people so do not jump on me I mean no disrespect)
    From the comment section of crazytreeville:

    IAmGeorgeZimmerman says:
    July 10, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    This trial is a danger to all men of white skin, and even those who are not brown enough for the left.


    St. Benedict’s Thistle says:
    July 10, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    It is indeed a danger to all law-abiding citizens who use a firearm to defend themselves, their families, and their property.

    We are all George Zimmerman now.


    • Two sides to a story says:

      Sad that anyone would identify with a feckless neighborhood watch person who profiled, followed, and killed a minor. Treestump stuff, fer sure.

    • Malisha says:

      Well then y’all can go buy your diapers in advance. Because there were numerically more “We are Trayvon Martin” than there are “We are George Zimmerman.”

  256. chi1224 says:

    This guy’s opinion doesn’t mean SHIT, only the jurors opinions matter RAT FACE, Get this farce off the stand!! He doesn’t know what happened out there, this guy is a JOKE SIT DOWN

  257. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    Option was to kill Trayvon so that he couldn’t counter any of gz’s lies of self defense

  258. BB says:

    Their whole case is the same since day 1- everyone is a voice expert and a medical expert on his injuries. Even random neighbors, LOL. The are sunk if they think putting everyone BUT GZ up there helps them.

    • Malisha says:

      Even neighbors who didn’t see anything. Even strangers who have never heard him scream. Even bozos who just say a bunch of stuff because that’s all they think they need to do to get this guy off for murder, since the cops were ready to give him a free stroll.

  259. willisnewton says:

    IMO this defendant is INSANE if he chooses to take the stand.

  260. Based on the information in the article below, here is my theory as to what we are witnessing from the prosecution.

    They have been working their way up the list to M2…not working their way down from M2…

    That mannequin was bait…they knew the Defense would have to jump on it…they also knew what doors it would open…what we got from that was…fogen “somehow” got to his weapon…they also let mom show the gun in the front when we know that fogen reaches to his back on the re-enactment video (check pic) In that case he would be laying on it…completely out of sight…at night…in the dark…beyond a reasonable doubt that TM could have seen it…and beyond a reasonable doubt that “soft” fogen could have gotten to it, given the information that is in evidence…Any thoughts?

    Article: http://www.mediaite.com/online/even-if-george-zimmerman-is-found-not-guilty-of-murder-and-manslaughter-he-could-still-serve-25-years/

  261. Rachael says:

    Little small flashlight. LOL

  262. Elizabeth says:


    I just read this inaccurate article because it was linked where I was
    watching the trial livestream.On the right they have this poll on
    who was screaming for help which is trick question of course but I voted Trayvon because it is clear they mean the death shriek.
    63% voted Zimmerman can you believe it?About 400 voted until

    • amsterdam1234 says:

      Those polls don’t mean anything. That side of the political isle is very good in organizing to have those polls flooded.

  263. willisnewton says:

    on WESH they characterized his mumble d answer as either, depends on when the WITNESSES finish or, depends on when the RECESSES finish. Is that what he said?

    Also can we get an afternoon thread? tia

  264. chi1224 says:

    FU Root…. you are an obvious fraud and liar.

  265. Two sides to a story says:

    Of course it was effing dangerous to discharge a weapon around all those houses. What a liar.

  266. willisnewton says:

    drat I missed GZ’s answer. What happened ???

    • Deborah Moore says:

      West wouldn’t let him answer, objected to the judge’s question.
      Basically, he needs more time to decide.
      She’ll ask him again later after recess.

      • Rachael says:

        It was great. He tried to object like 3 times and JN got angry with him. LOL

        • Deborah Moore says:

          I think it’s extraordinary that she keeps her cool as much as she does, but West just keeps pushing it, doesn’t he?

        • Sophia33 says:

          I hate I missed it!

          • Deborah Moore says:

            She’ll have more opportunities to smack him down.
            (I wonder if she’s a mother. I find her extraordinarily patient.)

          • elle says:

            I bet she is a mother and has more than one daughter, close in age, who are through their teen years. And, I am a woman. My sister and I would have pissed off God himself. My mother reminds me of JN, very much.

  267. gldgirl63 says:

    i have never seen that before…….why did the defense att openly object to the judge asking g.z. if he will testify??????

  268. BB says:

    GZ promised a decison for the end of the day. He looks scared to death, good to finally see that after his smirks this morning.

  269. ada4750 says:

    Somebody ever calculated the time possession of the ball? I watch on and off now (mostly off) but it seems that O’Mara and West spent much more time questioning than the prosecution. It was like this in the previous weeks.

    • Trial-is-underwaybaby says:

      True.. but I believe a lot of it was irrelevant fluff…. IMO a trial more about quality rather quantity….

  270. When did calling a person an a-hole become a nice things?

  271. ay2z says:

    Back to the ROOT of the matter. As of the jury coming back in for afternoon session, no decision by the defendant as to whether he will testify, they are springing for time it seems.

    And a shocking revelation, Mr. WEst thinks he is Mr. Zimmerman, client defendant!! JN set him straight.

    Someone should have kept West busy with a tall swirly cone.

    • amsterdam1234 says:

      They did this before, when JN wanted to question GZ if he agreed not to have the immunity hearing.

  272. Tzar says:

    George’s real problem is that even if he were to be acquitted it would be through no action of his own (remember this is the guy who chased down an unarmed child to get some props). he has had to watch every shill in seminole county and some outside , come and sit on the grand stage an get all this attention that he created. He is dying to bask in the glory of the attention that he created by killing this insignificant child.

  273. Woow! says:

    Mama, daddy, Shelly,and the sister will be living good off CAC KKK money. If I recall money was being deposited into the sister and her husband’s bank account for CAC according to his jail house tapes.

    It is a shame this family has benefited from the murder of an innocent child.

    • BB says:

      MOM said he was diverting it to a trust and would pay GZ’s expenses while monitoring them – and then started shill on TV day and night, asking for more money. The week before, he was pro-bono, LOL.

    • cielo62 says:

      Woow!~ No, that wasn’t in the tapes. That was part of the moving money around BEFORE it was discovered. Once discovered, it was all rounded up and put into one defense fund under the control of MOM.


  274. KA says:

    Did GZ call her “Sir” again?

  275. BB says:

    West tried to object the judge directly asking Fogen if he wanted to testify. she said OVERRRULED!

  276. My Forehead Tho says:

    Since we know the judge will expect Fogen’s answer at the end of the day after these “short” witness have taken the stand, who else thinks these “short” witnesses will end up lasting all day and all morning tomorrow?

  277. KA says:

    Who objects the judges questions?

  278. anita says:

    I think fogen might feel a little putrid.

  279. Ty Flair says:

    Take the stand fogan I’m sure the State will offer you your special chair you use at work for you back problem we only need about 20min. of your time.

  280. So Fogen is thinking about testi-lying?

  281. KA says:

    West has issues….wow…

  282. Can a lawyer object a judge’s question?

  283. disappointed says:

    Surely fogen can not be stupid enough to get on the stand.

    will the prosecutors rock paper scissors who gets to tear fogen new ass?

  284. flcarroll says:

    When West whispered to GZ, I could have sworn I overheard him say she’s an ass! Am I the only one who caught that??

  285. Two sides to a story says:

    An app called “Angry Trayvon” has been pulled from Google Play. See what the company had to say about it: http://on.wesh.com/13Mwthr

    • gwynne says:

      i guess they needed to corner the racist game player market?

    • fauxmccoy says:

      two sides says

      An app called “Angry Trayvon” has been pulled from Google Play. See what the company had to say about it:

      good to know. i tweeted that to nat jackson when it was brought up here 2 days ago. i would like to think i helped somehow, even if i was one of many.

    • cielo62 says:

      Two Sides~ WTF is WRONG with people! Again, the only color they see is GREEN! So what if they make money off the back of a murdered teen? Such scum.


  286. chi1224 says:

    Fogen sweating, I love it, HAHAHHAHAHA
    You’re days are numbered Fogen, DEAL WITH IT!!

  287. Sabrina B. says:

    WTF is he objecting to the judge about?

    • ay2z says:

      oooooo he wants to…. he’s probably itching to demo his voice lessons given by Rich Little!!

      Maybe he’ll entertain us with a yodel while he’s at it….. ‘yo- ddle-ley-hee-hoo!

  288. Tzar says:

    Here is the best part
    they have had over a fucking year to strategize and here on the 11th hour of their case presentation they have not ironed out with their client whether or not he wants to testify
    you can’t make this shit up

  289. Sleuth says:

    He want to testify so, so, so bad.

    “I swear to tell the truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me, Me”.

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      Okay, you may be seated. (Be sure to speak into the microphone.)

      • Sleuth says:

        Then when they ask him, “Did you molest your cousin for over a 10 year period”.

        Just say, “I don’t remember having a cousin”.

        • Sleuth says:

          Wiping sweat from head with hanky, “Mr. West, it’s getting really hot in here, can you bring me some water to the witness stand. I asked the State but they wouldn’t help me”.

    • Sleuth says:

      Then get on the stand and keep saying, “I really don’t remember that”.

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        What is it that you don’t you remember?

        • Sleuth says:

          Mr. Guy: “What caused you to throw a woman across the room, causing her to break her ankle the night you worked at an illegal adult party”?

          Defendant: “Oh that. I thought she was a man, sir”.

          • You all have thoughtful comments says:

            Mr. Guy: What about that violence against your ex-financee?

            Defendent: I only remember her as an “ex-ho”

    • disappointed says:

      LOL! so help me, Me!

      • Sleuth says:

        He’s the one that said it was god’s plan. Apparently he thinks he’s “god”…….so help me, ME.

    • gwynne says:

      bet that was one contentious lunch between foggen, mom and skeletor. they may have been so busy arguing that they didn’t leave time to enjoy dessert!

  290. chi1224 says:

    I seriously wonder if West is trying to cause a mistrial, something is seriously wrong with that man!

    • Dave says:

      Everything points to it. did you see Mr. Don’s epic meltdown last night? As soon as the judge had stormed out of the courtroom, West, MOM, and the killer were all laughing and slapping each other on the back.

      • chi1224 says:

        Yep… I saw it. If he is trying for a mistrial as we suspect, I don’t think it will work. Judge Nelson is on to him, and she is not going to let him control her court any longer. She is PISSED.

      • bellesouth says:

        That is so retarded!! She’s giving Zimmerman a fair trial and it is unfair to make the judge mad when she is just doing her job!

      • cielo62 says:

        Dave~ They didn’t look jovial at all. They all looked mega-pissed, and grabbing their papers. Of camera, there was a near altercation between the attorneys that the bailiff had to break up before it started.


  291. disappointed says:

    seriously wtf? did west just object to JN? Who does that? Should he do that?

    • Nef05 says:

      Disappointed, he objected THREE rimes, in a row, to the same question. He’ll be lucky if he doesn’t make the ESPN Legalcenter. Who does that? I thought she was going to cite him for contempt for MINUTE.

  292. Cynthia, TX says:

    It looks like to me GZ wants to testify

  293. My Forehead Tho says:

    I think it’s clear that Fogen wants to testify, but West and O’Mara are trying to talk him out of it.

    I think he would have said “Yes” if it wasn’t for West

  294. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:

    Zimmbo is scared as shit! Did you all catch the snappiness with JN to Soft serve! LOVED IT

  295. Tzar says:

    This West guy is worth the price of admission

  296. jn…is not to be played with right about now!

  297. HLN had David Otuna on. For those who don’t know, David Otunga is a lawyer and a professional wrestler. Same guy. There was even reference to his legal career on wrestling TV shows.

  298. omg I need a lawyer to explain that to me! either GZ wants to testify or not!

  299. Woow! says:

    JN is not playing today 🙂 CAC did not know what to say.

  300. chi1224 says:


  301. Puck says:


  302. Rachael says:

    West is arguing again!!!! OMG – GZ has the right to make this own decision. West is UNREAL!

    • breelee says:

      Dayum, what was that? Does that guy argue just to hear himself? Imo, they want that answer to remain secret, but we all know he aint got the dingle balls to go up.

  303. J4TMinATL says:

    Where is Professor? GZ being coached by West. He can’t even answere if he will testify. Boom JN.

  304. Sabrina B. says:

    He is a louse.

  305. Nef05 says:

    Oooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh, PISSED!!!

  306. My Forehead Tho says:

    West STFU

  307. chi1224 says:

    WTF is West doing now???? Put up or shut up FOGEN!!

  308. Beverly says:

    What is the best live link?

  309. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:

    Oh shit I think Zimm is going to testify

  310. Sabrina B. says:

    Is he going to testify?

  311. deetruth says:

    So after spending a year chasing Ben Crump, are they going to call him to testify?

  312. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:

    I’m sorry to admit this… but that AA intern on GZ’s defense team is beautiful…

    • Sabrina B. says:

      She is very pretty. Speaking as a woman.

      • Trial-is-underwaybaby says:

        She reminds me a lot of my wife…. lol but enough of this convo, I could never date her because something tells me that I can’t find it in my heart to associate with anyone who defends Zimbo’s actions, but at the same time, it is a really good career opportunity for her so I won’t judge her or any of his other defenders at the table besides West and Mom too harshly..

        • MedicineBear says:

          I’m not evolved enough to NOT judge someone who puts $ over ethics. She IS beautiful, but I’m Judgy McJudgington about her complicity in being a token presence at a racist table.

    • elle says:

      Very beautiful. As are a lot of those interns. They appear able to sleep at night, which baffles me, but attractive people.

  313. Sabrina B. says:

    We’re back.

  314. vickie s. votaw says:

    What time does it start back?

  315. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    I speculate that gz shot to kill that tragic night. He did NOT HAVE TO aim for Trayvon’s heart.

    That cry for help was a cry of forlorn desperation! It was a cry from someone looking death in its face!

    I truly believe that cry was Trayvon’s. It was a pitiful cry from Trayvon as gz aimed at him.

    Trayvon resisted and tried to escape the creepy pursuer that tried to confront and detain him. gz never identified himself to Trayvon.

    I believe that Trayvon not recognizing gz’s wanna-be-cop authority was TOO MUCH for the wannabe cop….the man who just never seemed to be successful at anything…..the man who desperately wanted to prove himself after failing at so many ventures………. from insurance (unable to pass the test to obtain a license)………. to police cadet (not accepted)……..to D’s in criminal justice courses …………….to rejection of his application for an associates degree at Seminole College……to failed relationships……. to not even being able to pay his rent that month.

    Yes, gz, who was “at the end of his rope” due to so many failures, let his RAGE take over because Trayvon’s attempt to get away from gz ruined this attempt of gz to shine as a hero……..a hero watch patroller.

    Yes, gz decided that Trayvon was going to PAY for the “put down” that gz had just endured. ! I truly believed that gz decided that he would make Trayvon pay for it with his LIFE!

    In this cold act, George revealed that his mind was truly DEPRAVED!

    • KittySP says:

      @yahtc- ” to rejection of his application for an associates degree at Seminole College”…I’m glad you mentioned this. I couldn’t recall when the witness testified about him applying for the cert. for what degree it was. Now the same night of the shooting in his interview with Serino he asks GZ his level of education. GZ responds “Associates”, and that he was currently pursuing his Batchelors. Can anyone confirm if he’d earned Associates?

      • You all have thoughtful comments says:

        No, his application for the Associates program was denied in the Fall of 2011.

        • Marsha says:

          He failed a course and did not earn an associate’s degree. This of course did not prevent him from telling family and friends that he did and allowing a friend to throw a graduation party for him.

          • KittySP says:

            Right. That’s what I thought was the case. But I’m telling you, replay the initial Serino interview and he say flat out that he’s pursuing a Batchelors Degree.

      • MedicineBear says:

        “Pursuing” a Bachelors degree — or just going in the same direction of?

    • BB says:

      I think the long period of screams was GZ realizing how much trouble he’d be in if this teenager lived. Penalties are very harsh for pulling again, and GZ was very familiar with that. Better he didn;t leave a witness.

    • Malisha says:

      AND if he just left the kid alone, the kid would go home, tell somebody, and the next time there was a complaint to HOA, Fogen would be kicked out of his faked-up position on his stupid a55. He was gonna get fired from his make-believe job.

  316. Stormwatch says:

    No way Fogan would testify. And if he decided to, I think the judge would play it safe and ask him if he’s only any prescriptions. If he is, depending on the drug, she may or may not allow him to testify while under the influence of that drug. We have a circuit judge down here in Broward, and that is his first question when anyone takes the stand. He wants to know if they are under the influence of anything before he allows them to testify.

  317. Stormwatch says:

    Their job is to sensationalize and get viewers to tune in and stay tuned in. When I say viewers, I mean their target demo. Adults 25-54. Preferably men. They say and do the things that they think will attract the target demo. Truth be damned.

  318. My Forehead Tho says:

    “UPDATE 2: Judge Nelson told the defendant that he has a right to testify or not testify and she recommended he discuss those rights with his lawyers. She told him that later on she will be asking him if he is going to testify.”

    Did he already decide?
    If not, who thinks he’ll testify?
    I say No…

    • Nope he’s gonna sit his fat butt right there looking smug in his chair.

    • chi1224 says:

      I don’t think he will testify, and I will be shocked if he does. At the same time on some level fogen has to know the jury will take note of this, and despite the judges instruction they will hold it against him imo, they just won’t tell anyone they did. I mean think about it, this guy is claiming SELF DEFENSE, the other person is DEAD and can’t talk…. and his coward ass can’t get up there and say what happened?? WHY NOT?? Mark my words they will wonder why and none will imagine it’s for a GOOD reason.

    • type1juve says:

      No way is he going to testify. The state would tear him a new one and he knows it. That’s why all the liars and con men have been paraded before the jury to testify for the sick sob by proxy.

    • cielo62 says:

      My Forehead~ I say yes. 🙂


  319. SOS to Professor where are you? We need a new thread please oh please.

  320. disappointed says:

    I will check back in a bit and see if new post has been put up for afternoon session. it is slowing my computer to a halt.

  321. Woow! says:

    I loved it when John Guy called out that guy for trying to boost his business by advertising he would be an expert witness for CAC.

    I would not put that on my CV. Why would a sane person want to tell the world that he participated to try and free a child killer.

    • breelee says:

      I’ve got one better than that: Why would a gym owner say a man he’s worked with for years, is still soft as pudding? THAT cannot be good for his business. I know the guy is a goon like fogen, but shouldn’t he have put the gym 1st? Does color mean more to him than money?

  322. deetruth says:

    I wish all of the analysts, commentators, talking heads and lawyers and Frank Taffee on all of the stations would just put out a blanket statement that they support George Zimmerman and the defense is winning, no matter what any one testifies to, then shut up for the duration and let the rest of us view the trial.

  323. chi1224 says:

    Are the lawyers due back before the jurors?? Anyone know?

  324. gldgirl63 says:

    i am really starting to believe that some of the news media talking heads are pro defendant……everything that comes out their mouth praises the defense for putting on a great case….b.s. saying that the prosecution is blowing their case…….soooooooooooooooooooo frustrating……i just wish someone on tv could be objective……. and not biased…..

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      They report what they are TOLD to report by the owner of the media site.

    • Trial-is-underwaybaby says:

      Agreed… funny how when they give those stupid opinions they leave out actual facts presented in court… bolster defense witness who are inconsistent and hammer prosecution witnesses for any type of small inconsistency…

      • gldgirl63 says:

        also i think west will get a huge contempt of court……on that little exchange….. surprised he wasn’t thrown out of the court for that one….

      • Malisha says:

        It’s actually funny when you consider that witnesses FOR the defense were witnesses who basically were put on there to say: “I’m on his side.” They couldn’t say much other than that. It was to show that not EVERYBODY believes Fogen is a murderer!

    • God is there says:

      Just getting here: @gldgirl63: Remember the past election of President Obama? How they kept saying he was losing and Rove’s meltdown? Well, its kinda the same thing here – DENIAL!

  325. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    What is defense planning for this afternoon?

  326. Based on the information in the article below, here is my theory as to what we are witnessing from the prosecution.

    They have been working their way up the list to M2…not working their way down from M2…

    That mannequin was bait…they knew the Defense would have to jump on it…they also knew what doors it would open…what we got from that was…fogen “somehow” got to his weapon…they also let mom show the gun in the front when we know that fogen reaches to his back on the re-enactment video (check pic) In that case he would be laying on it…completely out of sight…at night…in the dark…beyond a reasonable doubt that TM could have seen it…and beyond a reasonable doubt that “soft” fogen could have gotten to it, given the information that is in evidence…Any thoughts?

    Article: http://www.mediaite.com/online/even-if-george-zimmerman-is-found-not-guilty-of-murder-and-manslaughter-he-could-still-serve-25-years/

    Picture: http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/38904/large/gz_gun_location.jpg?1372802243

  327. Stormwatch says:

    West and O’Mara are very frustrated that they can’t tell this judge how to do her job and she is a lot smarter than either of them want to acknowledge. You can see it plain as day in the video posted above. She knows her rules of evidence, and it pisses West off.

    • Sleuth says:

      And so disrespectful towards her. Despite the untoward manner in which she was treated by the duh-fense, she apparently thought about what The Wiester said about working so many long hours, and decided to hold court at 9:00 a.m. instead of 8:30 a.m. as she originally stated. I guess they all needed a little extra time.

      Seems to me, the duh-fense have not used their time wisely. The time they’ve spent on Ice cream cone selfies and press conferences could have been better spent doing whatever it is they keep claiming they don’t have time to do.

  328. LeaNder says:

    If I hear one more time whatever “expert” repeat John’s nonsense about the expectation of an echo if the guy screaming since was on top. I will really get mad. I wish that either de la Rionda, Mantei or Guy would finally put an end to that nonsense.

    This type of nonsense really makes me rather angry. Physics Echo

    I cannot see a difference in sound in that scenario. What is supposed to reflect the sound of Trayvon’s voice? Fogen’s body?

    • breelee says:

      LeaNder, I’m so glad you said that, just what I yell at my puter every time they bring it up. Total hogwash. There is no way Mr. NO-Good could have “heard” a difference either way. Wish someone would get this to the state, as they don’t seem to notice it, but I could be wrong.

      • LeaNder says:

        Something else. Why isn’t prosecution finally calling Jonathan Mead, the guy Fogen met on 02/02/2012 after having followed “the suspect” to Taaffe’s house and called back to police with a new address?

        That would challenge that Fogen is not confrontational, and show that he had the tendency to start following his suspects.

  329. Sleuth says:

    The duh-fense is bringing in these so-called experts in to “falsely” testify about the confessed murderer’s “easy going, non-violent” character. They’re banking on the false notion that the jurors are ignorant to their clients pass violent actions, and the fact it can’t factored into the deliberations.

    And as far as his friends who gave character testimony, I’m guessing they were not aware of some of his past actions, such owing approximately $18,000 to the lawyer who represented him in a worker’s compensation claim, in addition to his pending court case with his former security company for monies not paid.

    In addition to all of this, I’m sure hoping the State finds a way to bring up his poor treatment of animals.

    • Dave says:

      Do you know what kind of “work” he was doing in which he suffered a work-related injury? It’s hard to picture the guy doing anything productive, let alone dangerous.

      • Sleuth says:

        LOL! I still trying to figure that one out. Might have been a scam. I’m still trying to locate the uncle with the millions dollar business (Real Estate/Mortgage) in Sanford that he was suppose to work for when he first left Virginia.

      • Malisha says:

        I don’t think it was a worker’s comp case; it was for unpaid overtime and there were probably other employees suing the same employer. His lawyer accepted the loss of his $6,000 without making much of a fuss; perhaps he was afraid of being shot through the heart.

      • pat deadder says:

        Dave says Do you know what kind of work he was doing and suffered an injury.Is that why he sued I thought it was because he was not paid overtime and to ask another question Whycan’t they just bring up that he was a bouncer.

    • Marsha says:

      This might not bother anyone else as much as it does me but as someone who worked hard to complete her degrees, I take seriously Zimmerman pretending to have completed his associate degree when he had actually failed a course and wasn’t going to graduate. I read an interview some months ago with the friend who threw him a the graduation party and he said that he had been surprised to learn from the media that Zimmerman had not graduated. More grandiosity from Zimmerman.

  330. Two sides to a story says:

    You can help put an end to media that dehumanizes young Black men like Trayvon and enables a culture in which Black lives are seen as less valuable. Color of Change –


  331. disappointed says:

    the non expert talked about fogen’s non training. is it time to roll out the bouncer job? is it time to roll out the assault on the officer? fuck it bring the assaulted officer into court and let him town how fogen put his hands on him! DONE.

    • Judy A Vallejos says:

      that would be awesome to hear from that officer

    • Sabrina B. says:

      Yes! Hos propensity towards aggression should be included in here.

    • gwynne says:

      i so hope it comes in. after the defense has portrayed z as just sort of diabled, (and Trayvon as a football player) the jury needs to hear the truth. I think it would be awful for them to not know he was a bouncer and assaulted an officer. This is critical information.

  332. Woow! says:

    No negative Nellys today. Yesterday everyone was going crazy with that God awful animation producer and whether or not JN would let it in.

    We all should be able to see now that JN is playing it straight and strictly by the rules. She will give the defense every opportunity (no matter how stupid) to put forth their efforts for their client then hand the slap down based on the law and rules of court.

    After the defense first successful appeal JN does not want to give them any chance of succeeding on a second. She scares the bejeezus out of me sometimes but she always come through.

    I firmly believe that W acts the way that he does because

    1. He has a reputation to uphold for getting people acquitted (based on the write up on his background when joining the defense team)

    2. He is now in the state court and feel he is above JN. W would never try the things that he does before a federal judge

    3. He is upset that CAC was charged and there was enough evidence to continue to trial

    4. He has an issue with a female judge

    5. It is personal for him b/c the prosecution team laughs at him and MOM in open court

    6. W is a bigoted racist. If you can not see it you must be blind.

    7. I think the old coot actually things CAC should not be on trial for killing a black child.

    Did I mention his reputation is at stake.

    Finally, he is pissed that the prosecution filed that motion regarding his daughter Molly.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      Plus he seems to have a temperament that reaches boiling point when he’s had a long day and has been rebuffed by JN. He doesn’t respond well to long-term frustration.

    • HeresLookingatYOU says:

      All Good WooW!

    • Beverly says:

      He was a Federal atty? Yikes….Im sure you are right about his not liking a woman judge…Both he and Ommm have been rude and mouthy, but yes, West = the worst. And he is certainly of the generation when there would have been 0 women judges and not many women attys. Too bad he didn’t try to change his views.

    • cielo62 says:

      Woow!~ West’s reputation was more along the lines of getting plea deals for his clients, not so much acquittals. The prosecution has zero reason to offer a plea deal. It’s gotten personal for them, too.


  333. Judy A Vallejos says:

    zimmerass not taking down any notes today with this mr root testimony today I notice

    and Mr Guy using a red pen to check off things in his notes at least a red pen on the outside cant say red ink….

    • Sleuth says:

      I noticed that too, and mentioned somewhere here, where he’s just sitting there like “a potted plant” starring at Mr. Root, as if he’s in some type of daze, or as if this guy is talking about anybody but him.

    • Sabrina B. says:

      What is he going to write? “They said I couldn’t fight. Called me soft..”

  334. Mary Davis says:

    IMO the prosecutor just showed how impossible fogen’s story is. I really believe that fogen had his gun out when he approached Trayvon and said something like I am gonna hold you here until the police come. Trayvon said something like you are crazy and they tussled over the gun, and fogen shot Trayvon. This is just my opinion, but we know it did not happen like fogen said it happend.

    IN OTHER WORDS Trayvon was not on top of fogen.

    • Judy A Vallejos says:


      gun out

      and with that being said

      he thought he was/is the authority

      as in cop wanna be

      because he had a gun….

      nothing else to back that mind set up

    • Dee says:

      Differently had his gun out. No one is going to act as though he is a cop and go into a dark area un holstered. He had his gun out after he was banging on the flash light, and it wasn’t working of course he had his gun out. When he said he was looking for a phone for what? He already called the cop so who else he was calling his wife. Trayvon seen Zim gun and tackled him to the gun. Then he got away from him screaming and hallowing for his life. I truly believe that Zim caught him by his shirt swinging him down to the ground to his knees. This is how he got grass stains on his knees. Then Zim got on top of Trayvon and while Zim was holding his in the same grip that he pulled Trayvon down, he shot him. This is why Trayvon shirt was pulled away from his body, because Zim was still holding it in his hand. Then Trayvon said, “you shot me? ” not you got me. I said question mark because Trayvon was saying you shot me, as to why what did I do. Trayvon then grabbed his chest in pain and turn onto his stomach. Which may his hand under his body. I have been saying this from the beginning.

      • cielo62 says:

        Dee~ Good theory except that Dee Dee said the altercation BEGAN while he was still talking to her, so Trayvon did NOT tackle gz. Also, with his heart and lungs blown to mush, Trayvon did NOT say anything.


  335. jodiwankanobi says:

    can someone clarify something for me please…..i have read a few times about the “jury of six women”….isn’t a jury always 12 in a criminal case? im confuzzled.

  336. BB says:

    Does anyone think Goode or Donnelly will have their testimony stricken?
    Also, do you know when court is back from lunch? TIA!!

  337. chi1224 says:

    Hey guys- I was checking facebook- fogen has at the MOST maybe 12,000 people liking pages concerning him… Trayvon has 280,000!!! Yay!

    • MedicineBear says:

      Oh bless you for this post — I was feeling very disheartened about humanity and this really raised my spirit.

  338. lady2soothe says:

    Did anyone else notice this from yesterday?

    Day 11 Part 4

    26:56… Eloise Delaguard “I heard *THE BOY* screaming in the background and the 2 that we are discussing ____ Trayvon & George I only heard George talk” “Based on the fact that I’ve only heard Georges voice, a lite male voice, I would say that it was his, GZ”

    Eloise Delaguard had seen Trayvon earlier at the complex. 36:48

  339. Mary Davis says:

    BAMB. You weren’t there, I wasn’t there. The only testimony we have is from Mr. Zimmerman. After letting him talk so much, the prosecutor got him to say what he wanted him to say.

    This man is a piece of shit.

  340. Nef05 says:

    Ummmm, did anyone else see an afternoon session (live blog) or am I just seriously low on blood sugar, since it’s really hard to eat…

    • Deborah Moore says:

      I don’t see one either…yet.
      You must eat. Soup? Make an egg and milk shake?
      You need your strength to endure this. 🙂

  341. Deborah Moore says:

    I don’t think the State has given up on their theory. And, part of their theory includes that Trayvon was on the bottom or they were standing up when GZ murdered him.
    It’s not over. Many more opportunities to hammer the facts.

  342. SearchingMind says:

    Ya Gotta Be Kidding Me!

    PLs, correct me anyone, if I am mistaken. It seems to me that Prosecutors have accepted as fact- at least settled with the notion that Trayvon was on top of GZ when the fatal shot was fired. This, IMO, is a very bad tactical error and might become a huge problem – a game changer – in the minds of ordinary men and women. LLMPapa could have done a lot better! I feel ill right now.

    • HeresLookingatYOU says:

      The bigger picture is .. the way the killer says it happened, is impossible

      • BB says:

        And the jury has to wonder if he was “reasonable” when he had to lie about the details of the physical conflict.

      • jodiwankanobi says:

        i wish the could introduce what movies he hired over the weekend before he shot Trayvon, just so we could see where he got some of his lame ass quotes from

    • jodiwankanobi says:

      i think they are just putting holes in GZ’s version of events….it could not have happened the way he said it did….he couldn’t have seen the gun, especially if he scooched down like they testified…..the whole thing is a lie, it think that is their angle.

    • dianetrotter says:

      1. If Trayvon indeed saw the gun would there not be a struggle for the gun. How can weakling easily hold Trayvon’s right arm between his right arm and body.
      2. If they are both struggling for the gun, why doesn’t Trayvon win if he is so strong?
      3. If Trayvon was a street thug, does it make sense that he would pause and announce “You’re gonna die tonight!” rather than immediately grab the gun. Possession was critical here.
      4. Root should be asked the advertisement value of his testimony.

      • deetruth says:

        If Trayvon have been a thug, he and his boys probably would have taken care of George in some way or other back near Taffee’s house.

        • deetruth says:

          * had

        • YQ says:

          The strength of the wolf is the packt , I’ve been saying that for a long time. It’s a huge difference between one guy walking towards a specific direction, and a guy with a group of guys garnishing influence from each other. Some may call it gang activity.

      • Woow! says:

        If TM was a street thug he would have just commenced to putting a beat down on CAC

    • He had a right to defend himself from a child molester,,, with a gun.

    • YQ says:

      I respectfully disagree. The young tart had the right to stand his ground and that is also written in the law. I think the important part that State had to prove was how the altercation began and the fact that Fogen continued go pursue. I hope that the jury is able to understand that a kid with a bag of snacks is not going to circle back and steal on Fogen, while holding those bag of snacks and still on the phone. Nor would he have kept the iced tea in the front pocket of the hoodie.

    • Trial-is-underwaybaby says:

      You could be right… but, let’s wait on the rebuttal case to see… either way, the evidence at a minimum proves manslaughter which is a lesser included charge in FLA. I see where you get that impression, but I don’t think the State has accepted that as fact, I think they are relaying to the Jury that what ever you believe as to who was on top, the evidence proves GZ story is false and the evidence supports Trayvon pulling away from him… they have touched on the misalignment of the sweat shirts with the wound entry, so I think they will close with GZ was pulling in trayvon in some form or fashion to get off a shot, not because he had to, but because he wanted too….

    • amsterdam1234 says:

      I agree,
      I think it is because they have missed the misallignment of the bullet holes. Do you know if that normally would be something that would be on the ME report. They screwed up with the clothing, could they have missed it?

  343. To many people, there is no middle ground: George Zimmerman will either be convicted of Second Degree Murder or he will be found Not Guilty. Even If George Zimmerman Found Not Guilty Of Murder And Manslaughter, He Could Still Get 25 Years http://www.mediaite.com/online/even-if-george-zimmerman-is-found-not-guilty-of-murder-and-manslaughter-he-could-still-serve-25-years/

  344. Tc says:

    Ask Root if Zim could have made contact with edge of cement while he was shimming and trying to unholster his gun . Would that be consistent with the injuries?

  345. mrsdoubtfire says:

    Sorry but. I feel the State are conceding that TM was on top on Z for the duration as opposed to this being (per the witness’s own testimony a fluid event. John Good states he saw them for 10 seconds only. Per Rachel’s account and the phone records the physical struggle couldnt have lasted more than 90 seconds. Plenty time for Z to scrape /bang his bonce on the kerb while trying to hold onto Martin…..for the cavalry to arrive.

    I wish Guy had explored this one handed wrist lock head would explode, had blood in his eyes and was struggling to breathe.

  346. HeresLookingatYOU says:

    Thank you defense, your witness put the ultimate heat on the killer since he is the best to fill in the gaps and tell the story, and thank you prosecution for having Mr.Guy’s fine self do the cross…I’m still smilin

  347. J4TM says:

    Blog is extremly slow today.

  348. fauxmccoy says:

    i hope o’mara looked as crazed and desperate to the jury as he did to me. that was hard to watch :/

  349. KittySP says:

    My favorite part of his testimony was when he didn’t equate being killed with “use of deadly force”!

  350. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    Mr. Guy in court fighting for justice:

  351. Stormwatch says:

    DavidHungerford.. you have nailed it! I am disappointed that the state has not shown how gun recoil caused Zimmerman’s facial injuries.

    • Trial-is-underwaybaby says:

      I feel like they will bring that up… let’s hope they do so in the rebuttal case.. man how I wish we could have a direct link to one of the prosecutors…lol

    • Judy A Vallejos says:

      those that have gun recoil pictures of their faces should send them in

      I remember goose hunting with my dad as a young girl and man oh man the bruise I got below the shoulder from not holding my shotgun right

      and daddy told me hold it right like this but man oh man I messed up

    • Dee says:

      Alternatively, hitting himself across his own head with the butt of his own gun. However, they didn’t take a DNA on the clip from the gun or the bottom of his gun. I guarantee they would have found Zimmerman DNA and blood.

    • Sophia33 says:

      I have met Russell Simmons. I know him to be into Hindu philosophy. He has read’s Patanjali daily. He was talking on a spiritual level that this conservative nut could never understand.

    • cielo62 says:

      smokeegyrl~ Those sick bastard only hear what they want to hear, and will continue to hate because it’s the only thing that gives them meaning. Truly sick bastards.


      • Two sides to a story says:

        I don’t want to read it – I’m getting weary of the conservative mindset, but it sounds as if they deny karmic law and try to make Simmons look like a thug.

  352. Trial-is-underwaybaby says:

    Anyone hear anything about Donnalley yet?

    • BB says:

      I think that hearing was delayed- lawyers were supposed to be in court at 8 AM and managed to get it postponed. MOM breezed in at 9:15. Wonder if he did a morning talk show.
      Did you see West’s blow up last night?

      • Trial-is-underwaybaby says:

        Yes I did, hilarious to say the least! JN walked out while he was still whining

        • cielo62 says:

          Trial is Underway~ That was my favorite part, too, with MOM starting to whine along with him. Sounded like 2 kids wanting to open their presents the day befere christmas, and mother saying NO!


    • fauxmccoy says:

      it was delayed, but will be dealt with – i’d guess after the jury leaves this evening/afternoon

    • willisnewton says:

      I didn’t see everything but I assume the judge is still interested in pushing the trial forward and not wasting the jury’s time. The matters of the morning included a postponement in the start time, and her judgements on pending motions regarding text messages and photos from TM’s phone and the animated fictional narrative. I think that took up all the time until the jury arrived and then some, so the judge will deal with the sequestration issues later.

      The animions she riled on. The jury can see it once but cannot bring it to the jury room for review as it is NOT going to be allowed as an exhibit on grounds as evidence but more as opinion. I’m sorry I dont know the terminology.

      • KittySP says:

        Willis- think term you’re looking for is ‘demonstrative’

        • willisnewton says:

          thanks. bottom line is that the judge ruled it as speculation. As in total fiction that may or may not coincide with reality.

          The defense wanted to say it was what happened. Clearly, the sucker punch is based solely on the word of the defendant.

          The animation has no segment showing how the two traveled the 40 feet from the alleged meeting by the T to Johns backyard.

          And, in the portion dealing with TM mounted atop the GZ figure, the person on bottom has their hands folded on their tummy calmly doing nothing.

          I think the animation might be a boost for the prosecution, it’s so filled with holes and obvious questions. .

  353. Judy A Vallejos says:

    a shout out to llmpapa (spelling?)

    can you do one of those TV detective things with the picture of zimmerass and a photo of the gun and “lay” them over each other to show the line up of the gun to the face?

  354. J4TMinATL says:

    And you once were afraid of Big Boi. Now you will meet many big boi’s in prison.


  355. BB says:

    Welcome Marsha! You are in the best company here. :hi:

  356. Marsha says:

    Just wanted to say hello since I am new to this blog. Ever since I first heard about this case and learned the details I have been appalled about the murder, grieving for Trayvon’s family, and sickened by the Zimmerman defenders. I have been looking for a site where I can feel comfortable interacting as the trial goes on and I am praying for a guilty verdict. I followed Malisha here from the Turley blog and I am glad I did!

  357. Woow! says:

    Will he take the stand? I hope he does.

    They should give Tracey 2 minutes alone with him in a locked room. But I think Sybrina would have no problem taking him.

  358. Sabrina B. says:

    If they don’t win it will be because they let the defense paint this scary mindset of Trayvon and did not emphasize the mind set of someone running away, showing their intent was not to be confrontational. They should be repeating that over and over and over again. Instead they are trying to explain away the fight and in essence corroborating Fogen’s story, while leaving out the totality of the the whole event that did not just take place at the fight.

    • Trial-is-underwaybaby says:

      Yes.. you are correct… they need to hammer that type of thing home… we can all agree a fight happened but the surrounding circumstances need to be highlighted some more… I have more faith that they will get there in the right time because for a while I thought I’d never see that manikin!

      • Sabrina B. says:

        Yes, the mannequin was a nice surprise. Until MOM.

        • Trial-is-underwaybaby says:

          LOL right, I see the ladies getting all hot and bothered about Guy, and rightfully so, I’m not blind, I know a guy who women are into when I see one…haha

  359. I have been surprised that the prosecution has not presented a better picture of the cause of GZ’s facial injuries, which I agree are superficial. First, two observations: The blood from GZ’s nose is not coming from the nostrils, as can be easily observed from the photograph and supported by the exam by the physician’s assistant the following day. Instead, he is bleeding from the tip of his nose from two tiny scratches or punctures, which can also be seen in the photographs taken that night after he was cleaned up. This is odd. Also, notice the mark on the bridge of his nose after it was cleaned up. Very small and narrow scrape or laceration, with a very localized swelling which subsided rapidly, judging from the photos. No facial bruising. What exactly made these marks? These are not injuries that are made with a fist, those would be much more spread out with more contusions, with no tiny cuts. Also, how could TM cause the cut to the bridge of GZ’s nose without also marking his own hands?

    To my eye both of those injuries would be made by having GZ’s pistol slammed into his face, the RIGHT side of his face, the side he was holding the gun, with the edge of the barrel making the mark on the bridge off his nose, and the gun’s rear sights scraping the end of his nose, making the two tiny cuts. Take a look at pictures of the gun, and look at the rear sights, the spacing of which could have easily made those two marks on the tip of his nose. This would indicate that GZ had already drawn his weapon while standing and there was a struggle for it, causing the small scrape on TM’s left finger, possibly causing GZ to be pushed backwards into the nearby tree, making the two tiny cuts on the back and TOP of his head. GZ was knocked down backwards with TM on top, which was when GZ was able to free the gun and shoot TM. There were no other blows or injuries to either person. There were no dozens of punches to the face, no pounding any head against cement.

    Trayvon Martin was trying to defend himself from a stranger who pulled a gun on him.

    It’s a theory, but it fits the evidence better than GZ’s story by far. I can see no other explanation for why GZ’s injuries look exactly the way they do. The marks to GZ’s face were caused by something, and they must be reasonably explained to create a plausible picture of what happened, and any scenario that does not account for them must be discarded as not being what happened.

  360. Unabogie says:

    Funny stuff. So Zimmerman would never confront anyone. Yet he assaulted a cop. And he’s not a physical guy, yet he sought a job as both a bouncer and a cop. And we can see how scared he’d be, based on his inability to even get in a competitive fight, yet he bounded out of the car, with “shit, he’s running”. What a strange guy he is to bolt into action even when he’s softer than Charmin.

    While Martin, who ran away from the guy, was the “aggressor”.

    And people buy this BS?

  361. Sleuth says:

    He’s just sitting there like “a potted plant” starring at Mr. Root as if he doesn’t recognize any part of “his story” coming from Mr. Root’s mouth. Wonder if the meds have got him seeing things a little more clearer.

  362. vickie s. votaw says:

    Something is bugging me about DeMaio, when he was on the stand and put that pen on the ledge facing the jury, he then gave the pen to West when he left the stand. As JN said anything about the Donnelly guy?

  363. esentrick says:

    If there is absence of any injury and DNA on Trayvon it is more reasonable that there was no fight! and the only reasonable explanation of the killer’s injury particular the face is that injury was AFTER the shooting! This guy is biased and is only on the stand to support that lying SOB!

  364. chi1224 says:

    did o’mara finish re-direct?

  365. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    Your tricks and hopes based on your lies will fail, gz.

    Bye Bye.

    • You all have thoughtful comments says:

      Hang down your head, geezee.
      Hang down your head and wail.
      Hang down your head, geezee.
      Oh boy, you’re goin’ to jail.

  366. colin black says:

    BB says:

    July 10, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Zim said he grabbed his head- not shoulders. Not pushed
    Yup grabbed his buzz cut shaven head slippy with 60 percent blood an slammed it down non top for a minute.

    Never touched his ears wich is the oly was that could be accomplished

    An foggage just lay there an shymieeie an thought of MERICA.

    An hot dam he suddenly remembered a weapon he took every where even to the toilet .

    Suddenly recalled
    an pulled it out shot one time an was slapped with recoil from weapon

    An then struck with revolt an recoil from the masses when we heard this

    Creepyassed crakerniggarapeistdude recall

    How he made the non emergency call

    With no though at all

    Except lies to tell that Black people Smell an they flee as well
    As they know there assholes up to good threating my hood

    I will end this Kids life for good as I know I could an fee l I should
    a Think it feeks good.

    Boy am I ready for some food.

    r I p tray


    • colin black says:

      feeks =typo =feels

      But maybe fruadian slip

      As to feek is travels talk for steal but like many travel lingo has double entendre .

      Depending what context its used in as to feek is to steal

      But also to feek is to covet or steel another persons partner

      Or in some cases to be obsessed with a person to the extent of stalking them is known as feeking.

      Honest Im not making this up Im fluent in /Gypsy /
      Traveller talk I grew up with Irish travelling childrens Decendants In Edinburgh

      An I mangg the gan gadgie.=I speak the talk brother.

      Or Mort=Woman =To all you my Sisters.

      BB says:

      July 10, 2013 at 11:01 am

      Zim said he grabbed his head- not shoulders. Not pushed

    • Jose Padilla says:

      Zimmerman’s head would have been slippery from the beginning because it would’ve been wet from the rain, right? It’s difficult to see how Martin could get a secure grip to pound Zimmerman’s head once, let alone multiple times.

  367. degraveegmailcom says:

    We don’t know about nary a blow because he got to wash his paws
    real soon afterwards and the hole in the chest was the blow deadly at that.

  368. Soulsistawoo says:

    Why did the prosecution allow the defense to get away with asking the withness and then the witness confirmed that Trayvon has be better ability or was stronger or the better athlete.

    That is BS! how does MOM or this witness know that?

    They do not and the prosecution should object. This feeds into the crazed big black buck theory.

  369. Lola says:

    Bouncer evidence needs to come in with all of this BS about Z not being “physically able” to fight back.

  370. willisnewton says:

    long liunch – means the sequester issues are going to be dealt with next i bet

  371. MrSykes says:

    I know I was going somewhere. Second time a defense witness gets lost in his own web of bull shit, hahahahahaha. This is too good!

  372. amsterdam1234 says:

    GZ is not confrontational. Is that a door opening?

    • willisnewton says:

      BDLR was whispering to Guy around that time. I saw a couple of things that flew by where they state could hammer the witness about. Can’t recall all of them. The witness is such an easy target.

  373. Sabrina B. says:

    He’s running he wasn’t a threat.

    • Cynthia, TX says:

      I caught that

    • MrSykes says:

      Yep. Witness realized that and it threw him off in a very big way, which is why he was reduced to a bumbling mess right before lunch recess.

      • Sabrina B. says:

        Yes. Interesting to see how he is going to try to clean that up and if guy picks it up and runs with it. Not a threat because he is running right? Now why does a guy who doesn’t know how to fight chase someone into the darkness if they weren’t aware that if anything should happen they have their gun? Can you explain that mindset?”

  374. My Forehead Tho says:

    They don’t know Trayvon’s physical abilities. So how do they know Fogen wasn’t as capable as him? This is BS

    • Nef05 says:

      Of course they do. Trayvon was Superthug Black Majik Slimm Dynamite, with Xray vision and 8 arms, defiler of pure white women and property.

      Didn’t you get the memo?

      • Trial-is-underwaybaby says:

        I believe the prosecution is letting them slowly push open the door to GZ’s known aggressiveness … at least I hope so, because that totally should have been an objection trying to assess the abilities of a kid they don’t know by his appearance and little league football! First of all GZ was almost 50pounds heavier and 5’11 158 is a skinny as kid… but I think the Jury wont buy it because that is clearly visible… only thing I worry about is people feeding into that stereo type that you guys mentioned.. let’s hope the jury ladies are aware of what the jury is pulling and remembering back to when their kids were skinny freshly turning 17 year olds…

  375. Tzar says:

    “mr. Martin is not confrontational”
    HA HA HA

  376. groans says:

    Oh, it’s not athleticism. Did I say athleticism? No, no. It’s all about MINDSET! (And this was a black kid, if ya know what I mean… heh, heh.)

  377. Cynthia, TX says:

    There’s no treat and he took off running!!!!

  378. Nef05 says:

    He’s lying. Trayvon didn’t move down by the defendants version. Only the defendant did.

    By saying the defendent (trayvon) “moved down” and past his hip bones to access his gun. It’s sneaky, and plays on the racial beliefs of white women and black men on top of them – violently.

    This is very, very, wrong.

  379. Tzar says:


  380. jodiwankanobi says:

    that makes no sense…fucktards

  381. bellesouth says:

    They’re making Zimmerman into the Pillsbury Dough Boy — belly buttons and all!

  382. Cynthia, TX says:

    I’m screaming for help and I’ve got a loaded 9mm gun somehow I just don’t believe that!

  383. amsterdam1234 says:

    I think the fact that Trayvon didn’t have any injuries, shows that GZ never was trying to get out of the altercation.

  384. Tc says:

    On recross please,please ask given his experience as a police officer, how many times a youth who is going to attack someone would do so with restrictive clothing and weighted objects limiting their movements

  385. You all have thoughtful comments says:

    There was NO grass debris on the heels of gz’s shoes= gz was NOT on bottom.

    The blood on the back of gz’s head was NOT smeared = gz was NOT on the bottom

    • Soulsistawoo says:

      Blood dripping on the back of GZ’s jacket is a clear indication he was NOT on his back on the bottom, compounded by the blood running to the face confirming it all.

      Blood on back of jacket + eye witnesses seeing defendant on top immediatly after shot + debris on heels of shoes + the absence of grass stains + head wounds running blood towards face = GZ was in a dominant position either on top or leaning over Trayvon when he shot him.

    • vickie s. votaw says:

      I hope I just tweeted this to Crump

  386. jodiwankanobi says:

    because he is a soft pussy

  387. Judy A Vallejos says:

    and now may we please have the real dummy get in the box and on the floor?

  388. Sabrina B. says:

    They are locked into the fight and not enough wight on the fact that an aggressive person doesn’t run away.

    • KittySP says:

      Especially when a witness yells they are gonna call the cops…yeah , I’m gonna hang around finish beating you till the cops come and get an assault charge! Real retarded!

    • groans says:

      Yes. The State needs to emphasize, at every chance it gets, that the “event” started LONG before they came face to face!

      I’m not sure that’s so obvious to the jury yet (but it WILL be!).

      They’re sort of letting the defense “define” (as they say in politics) the event as “very fast – it all happened so fast.”

      But, no. It wasn’t all that “fast” – even if you don’t count the 2-minute gap that I LOVED HEARING Guy stun the timeline non-expert with!!

  389. smokeegyrl says:

    I have a funny feeling O’Mara is going to take the dummy home with him… he is getting anxiety attacks… I just re-opened browser… and he is still a riding… uggh.. *vomit*

  390. Romaine says:

    why do they keep forgetting the grabbing of the arm.

  391. Cynthia, TX says:

    If all that thrashing is going on and there is blood on GZ from all the blows then where is the dang blood Mr. BadAss?? the rain did not wash that away from his face and head!

  392. jodiwankanobi says:

    oh fuck i am not sure why i am watching this shit….omara brought his blow up girlfriend along for the ride

  393. Judy A Vallejos says:

    hmmmm….did zimmerass have any documentation of bruise on the neck?

    and in his shock im sure when he was getting his ass handed to him (and I firmly believe Trayvon was only trying to keep zimmerass contained as he yelled and yelled for help (Trayvon yelled for help) that zimmerass caused most if not all of his own injuries)

    I don’t believe for one hot second in hell Trayvon intended any harm to zimmerass at all

  394. When you are in a hole…you should stop digging…This is crazy

  395. Sleuth says:

    What evidence does the duh-fense or Mr. Root have that Trayvon had the fruit drink in his pocket during the alleged scuffle?

  396. Leslie says:

    omg!! o’ scara looks as dumber than the dummie..Du’mara, lmao

  397. gwynne says:

    really, jury, it’s not about the gunshot, it’s about how a magic tea can works.

  398. bellesouth says:

    The defense is retarded!!

  399. Romaine says:

    this is bs…

  400. Elizabeth says:

    Here comes the portable sidewalk again.

    plus the diagnosis from grany pictures.

  401. Sabrina B. says:

    Became aware.

  402. jodiwankanobi says:

    it’s not a possibility because gz was holding travons hand under his arm…how could he do that while holding trayvons arm?

  403. smokeegyrl says:

    I closed the browser… I feared for the safety of my eyesight…

  404. Rachael says:

    And if Trayvon was backing away – WHY DID HE SHOOT HIM?!!!!

    • amsterdam1234 says:

      Do you get the impression too, that the State is missing the misalignments of the holes.

      • Trial-is-underwaybaby says:

        I think they are saving it for rebuttal, I heard it mentioned during the cross of the Dr. yesterday… in any event, it’s out there in someones notes… but I think the state will hammer it home during rebuttal and closing…

  405. sparger says:

    MOM has defiled that dummy.

  406. Cynthia, TX says:

    If all of that is happening then where is the blood on TM’s hands, arms, clothes the rain did not wash it away!

    If it did not wash away the blood off GZ’s face

  407. Judy75201 says:

    oh lord

  408. chi1224 says:

    “combat event”…. oh please, stop with the dramatics

  409. Sabrina B. says:

    Get up MOM. Nobody wants to see you.

  410. disappointed says:

    Fogen could have hit his own head

  411. jodiwankanobi says:

    omara has it around the throat…..nowhere did zim mention hands around the throat

  412. MrSykes says:

    Hahahaha, left side right side. Man the defense is desperate.

  413. groans says:

    “All the … for lack of a better word … injuries….”

  414. chi1224 says:

    Is this guy a medical expert now too? WTF

  415. BB says:

    Zim said he grabbed his head- not shoulders. Not pushed.

  416. chi1224 says:

    I think I’m going to have to mute again

  417. Rachael says:

    I think they did it!!! They turned this into basically a prosecution witness. Shoot. Time for work. Grrrrrrr