Monday, July 1, 2013
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A few comments ;
When Angela Corey made her announcement that Z was being charged she ended it by thanking the Sanford Police Dept for thier “tremendous help” to her office.
How can Serino say he believes Z yet wanted him charged with manslaughter ?
Last night on Anderson Cooper 360 several lawyers said they believed the detectives who took the stand were “paying back” the prosecution for taking over their case ..
I was appauled hearing that. Are these “so called” professionals that childish ? Don’t grown ups work together to work for justice ?
I would like to smack the grin off Mark Geragoes face .
He acts like this is
Humph. New name for Fogen supporters, Treestump or otherwise, courtesy of Word.A.Day:
with Anu Garg
The French writer and philosopher Albert Camus once said, “Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal.” Can you recognize people like that around you? This week’s words will help you describe them.
1. A view stubbornly held in spite of clear evidence that it’s wrong.
2. A person who holds such a view.
According to an old story, a priest used the nonsense word mumpsimus (instead of Latin sumpsimus) in the Mass. Even when told it was incorrect, he insisted that he had been saying it for 40 years and wouldn’t change it. The expression is “quod in ore sumpsimus” (‘which we have taken into the mouth’). Earliest documented use: 1530.
“She knows the boss’s behavior is wrong but mumpsimus has set in.”
Mary Lou Dobbs; Repotting Yourself; O Books; 2010.
“Do not be a mumpsimus about networking. … Resist the popular notion that networking is all fake sincerity and pushy behavior.”
Dean Lindsay; Cracking the Networking Code; World Gumbo; 2005
Two Sides- excellent word! More than just treepers fall into that category. Mumpsimus.
FROM THE CLUTTERED DESK OF Cielo62
yes indeedy, i got that email this morning 🙂
My prediction is that the jury will convict Zimmerman on a manslaughter charge. It’s unfortunate but at least they’ll get him on something. The state simply is not being aggressive enough. I really think that their comfortable with a lesser charge.
Patricia, I posted a question for you up thread. Exactly what did you do, step by step, to get a seat. I am back in Florida near Sanford for the week and would love to attend one day before I leave. Where do I park? That’s where I got lost today.
diary — I believe Seminole Supervisor of Elections office is handling ducats for public seating.
There are 24 seats available for each day court is in session.
Those interested in entering must submit name and phone number at the Elections office, one day prior to the court date they wish to attend. Those selected will be notified by phone and given instructions for picking up their visitor pass at the courthouse the following morning. Photo ID will be required.
The office at 1500 E. Airport Blvd. in Sanford will be open for the lottery Monday through Friday, from 2 p.m. to 4 p.m.
For more info, go to the Eighteenth Judicial Circuit website at http://www.flcourts18.org.
Thank you for the address, TO.
Is it me? Or have all headlines turned into Zimmerman Prosecution has problems… Ugh
That’s why the jury is sequestered.
We should take all the media yak with a grain of salt too.
I believe the question of “if you take pathological lying off the table, isn’t it true that what’s left is telling the truth?” is just nuts, but the fact that there was no objection to it allowed it to become an issue in this “search for the truth.” It’s gotta be a classic. If you take MURDER off the table, what’s left? Self-defense. If you take FAULT off the table, what’s left? NO FAULT. In any other kind of case it would work just as well. If you take RAPE off the table, what’s left? Consensual sex. If you take GUILTY off the table, what’s left? NOT GUILTY. It’s ridiculous.
Look at it, though. Singleton and Serino both knew that Fogen was lying. They were not allowed to say so; it could not be more clear or more obvious. Serino says, about “going in the same direction,” “THAT’S FOLLOWING.” He says, about “fucking punks,” “NOT A PUNK.” He knew what the deal was when he did the interviews and Singleton did too. But they had both been illegally TOLD that they could not charge Fogen with a crime.
So they caved. They did not join the demonstrations. They hid. They saved their asses and they saved their jobs and they saved their families from financial hardships. And then what? THe case that was supposed to go away did not go away. It got bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and it got so big it became obvious it would NEVER go away.
BDLR is part of a deal. I believe the deal was brokered by Baez and that it consists of prosecuting Fogen (and this will succeed) while protecting SPD (and this will succeed). So wherever there is a choice of making a point while sacrificing someone in SPD, the choice is “skip that point and move on.” But when there is no conflict involved (as in forensics, etc.), the prosecution will be tip-top-can’t be beat.
We are seeing modern life in action. It is a big lie, really. In this case, because the people of this country arose in indignation that a self-righteous racist criminal was being permitted to walk away fro the deliberate murder of an innocent child, we have achieved a prosecution that we would otherwise have never seen. AND some racist punks who would otherwise go out and delightedly score against some AA teen-ager in the future are on notice that it could be detrimental to their financial health and maybe even their freedom. None of them really wants a year and a half of what Fogen has gone through, even to this point. But really, is this country willing to blame a whole police department for causing a situation in which any immoral bastard felt free to kill a kid? No. No. We really are not ready to assign blame to authorities who operate corrupt organizations.
I believe a RICO case should be brought against SPD. But it will not happen. And I believe a test case for the life interest should be brought against SPD. Perhaps that will happen, but unlikely.
Meanwhile, here’s what I believe we will achieve: conviction.
And then the SPD will get a blessing and will walk away resentful and morally filthy but essentially unbowed.
But what did MOM do???
He rang the bell of “pathological liar”.
I think you’re right and hope that at the very least, the conviction comes out of all this.
What a mighty lot of people ole Fogen has affected.
Malisha you nailed again in your first paragraph.
Wasn’t it the weirdest thing when Omara wanted Serino to agree
that(in short) that when someones statements were exactly the same each and everytime an investigator took them it would
indicate lying. Inconsistencies however…bla bla.
Serino said well … in some cases..,perhaps..or.but finally said there were no inconcistencies in the first two by Fogen that he
could point to at that time.
No inconsistencies=liar right?
Ok. I have a question. I’ve been following this blog for a while. There is a pic being used by both sides. It’s the back of GZ’s head. It shows a couple of scratches and blood flowing. It also shows a huge bald spot. GZ has a lot of problems but far as I can see, a bald spot is not ne of them. Is it a camera angle or a fake pic?
I think it is just too poor quality of a black and white image to tell much of anything. It was one of the things the defense didn’t like about media coverage was that the color photo of GZ’s minor injuries wasn’t out for a long time. The bald spot shown is just because of the black and white copy of the original photo. More than likely it was a photo copy or a print off on a black and white printer.
Herman — sometimes in the courtroom it looks like Fogen’s a little light in the back. Not bald by any means. But on his way, if thinning out is any indication.
So how long do you think it will be after Zimmerman is convicted that he will implicate Osterman,Taafe, Shellie, and others? I don’t think Zimmerman will want to go down alone. He will start running that mouth in hopes that he can get something out of it. He was not acting alone. We shall see.
We must remember it is a process. It is a lengthy process that requires dotting all the I’s, crossing all the T’s, and touching all the bases. It cannot be done in one day. The opposition went to law school also so it may not be a breeze; however, if you are going for the truth, you have to be patient and methodical.
“Genius is eternal patience.”
Why did they redact a lot that was on those tapes? I’m trying to stay positive because, this guy needs to pay for his crime. there is no way between here and hell, that I would ever step foot in the state of Florida again. as a matter of fact, my son’s father was murdered in Florida and, it seems to me that, Florida is the murder capital of the country.
I pray that Trayvon and his family will get justice and, if not by the state doing the right thing by this kid and his family, then let the feds have a go at his ass. those in LE on the stand today, should hang their heads in shame because, they both know that this murder wasn’t committed in self defense. I also pray that this will not be another Casey Anthony.
When are we going to see the most incriminating evidence, that the prosecution held back until trial? hopefully the defense won’t be able to turn the ME and, what ever doctors that may be lined up to testify for the defense.
A child is gone too soon at the hands of this defendant and, here we have people who know more than what they are telling, as well as LE want him to get away with his crime.
BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT: That is what this is all about: the wrong charge has set many a perpetrator free.
GZ’s phone calls to the police were certainly reasonable. given the recent history of break-in in the complex, but about every other action he took had no thought as to consequences (or didn’t take, such as identifying himself as a neighborhood watch volunteer) .
GZ brought a gun into a darkened area; surely should have occurred to him that someone could leap out of the darkness, overcome him, find and grab his weapon, and then shoot not only him, but any witnesses. His thoughtless actions certainly must have caused Trayvon real concern, and Trayvon would have had every right to punch GZ when GZ went into his pocket for his cell phone: Trayvon wasn’t a mind-reader; he came from an area where weapon-carrying was commonplace- what was he to think? There had to have been racial concerns in Trayvon’s mind- aft3er all, he had done absolutely nothing wrong.
GZ had had taken some classes re crime prevention; is actions contradicted common sense: the charge should reflect this: would have an excellent chance of bringing in a guilty verdict.
Chris- murder two is very provable. GZ had the indifference and a depraved mindset. This was actually under charged, as testimony will show that GZ had no reason and more than enough time to NOT pull the trigger. Murder 1 is actually what we have here. But murder two is just as good. As long as he’s gone for a very very long time.
Another Qoute from the Hitch hikers Guide To The Universe can sum up progress for foggagge today.
NOTHING CONTINUED TO HAPPEN.
Same as conditions inside the foggagge one brain?
Remember. Serino is still on the stand. Let’s just hope that BDLR has something up his sleeve. Mind you, he barely questioned Serino. I am hoping it is a calculated strategy. Let’s see what he does tomorrow. Again, the examination of Serino is not done and he seems to want to drop the hammer on Zimmerman based on some of his answers to MOM.
I guess we are being “pessimistic” watching the Titan sink before our very eyes because the Captain and his crew are playing fiddles on the ship, instead of sounding the alarm. Perhaps. I guess we try to be optimistic if we are given something to be optimistic about but so far the prosecution has been terribly mum to the point we are hearing nothing OMara and his twisted line of questioning.
But I suppose we should be more optimistic for the victims family and the victim. But the prosecution is giving us no cause for celebration because they aren’t fighting back or perhaps they arent sure what they should be doing.
An I thought I was pessimistic
Get a grip b4 I get my SPECIAL GAL RACHEL TO SLAP YOU UPSIDE HE HEAD WIV A WET KIPPER/FISH.
New post up:
Sixth day of trial ends in Zimmerman case
I have to believe that all of this sets a stage. The discussion with Serino and Singleton were damning to GZ. The things that MOM is trying to emphasize is being allowed and okay because the state have not brought in their medical, ballistics, and forensic experts to show that the statement given to police, and the Serino’s impression of that is not valid because the physical evidence does not support it.
Sidewalk story = impossible (injuries, no blood on sidewalk/trayvon, no witnesses)
Chasing (in car and foot) = established
Trayvon on the phone until 120 seconds before death = established
Trayvon “beating his ass” = Impossible (no DNA evidence to support)
GZ was on the bottom of the fight = impossible (Ballistics, eye witnesses)
Out of everything, honestly, I have always thought the most powerful evidence which precludes self defense is the trajectory, bullet location, and holes in shirt. Showing it is near impossible for GZ to have been on bottom when the shot fired is the key to eliminate justifiable homicide.
They haven’t really got to that.
I’m sure hoping the jury really considers what Serino and Singleton were getting at in the audio/videos taped interviews and not so much what they’re saying on MOMs cross.
Its a damn.shame they have to figure.that out on.theier own. Anyone sitting here saying BDLR did the best job with theae two witnesses are DELUSIONAL. He absolutely could have closed the door on MOMs cross by getting.them to be consistent with what they said in their interviews.
I think once the ME, DNA, ballistics, evidence is presented and they don’t match up…it becomes a at matter of common sense, if they examine all evidence in context… Weed out all the illogical mess…they’ll come back with a conviction.
My concern with MOM is that he’s been on both sides of the process…so I get the feeling he is looking at the evidence and is strategizing not only from defense perspective but also how he would try the case from prosecution point of view. In doing so, he’s able to gain the upper hand and end up having even the strongest prosecution witness, look like one for the defense.
We also have to be mindful that even though he’s flashing those pics of GZs baby boo-boos, that Serino, EMT, and PA consider minor…the presence, severity, or lack thereof, isn’t needed for him to have had reasonable fear under the law. Now we all know that’s a bunch of crap. But again, MOM was able to plant that seed of reasonable doubt.
KittySP- agreed except for the reasonable fear part. Based on those MINOR injuries, GZ had ZERO basis for a reasonable person to fear for his life. The standard is “a reasonable person” NOT a paranoid racist stalking black males for months. That is not reasonable.
That clearly came out today. Guy said Fogen would tell us why he killed Martin and he did. He thought Trayvon was a source of the crime in his neighborhood. Every statement started with ” there had been some crimes in the area.” –
There saveing therebest for rebuttal.
Wait until the Martin Family take the stand to identify TRAYVONS SCREAMS
All your concerns will melt away Im telling you this is in the bag trust me Im not a lawer or even play one on tv.
Yay Colin!!! Ditto to all of that.
If I were a juror, Trayvon’s parents saying it was him screaming wouldn’t do it for me. What would, is that the screams stop at the exact moment of the gunshot.
Let’s talk a little Conspiracy Theory:
Q: If you’re Rick Scott, what’s the LAST thing you want to come out of this trial? The thing you want most of all to AVOID?
A: a DOJ investigation of the SPD.
Q: How do you keep that from happening?
A: Make Zimmerman the one and only fall guy.
If GZ gets convicted, all the shit will die down. If GZ gets off, it won’t. Just think about how all the posts on this blog focus on ‘Fogen.’ There will be great cheers here if he gets convicted. The vast majority of us will take a breather from our Martin/Zimmerman exhaustion and go back to our everyday lives. There will be no significant pressure on the DOJ, and the Obama Administration has enough hot button issues to deal with they’ll let this one drop. If GZ gets off, a lot of us will still be here, hanging on Ben Crump’s next move. Al Sharpton will be back on the air. The pressure will be on the DOJ…
Conclusion: I don’t think Bernie’s tanking it.
So the question becomes, does he have more up his sleeve, or is he just not the badass prosecutor he’s cracked up to be?
Honestly, I don’t know. But here’s a thought:
This investigation was taken away from the SPD and handed to the FDLE. If BDLR needs cops to testify to the inconsistencies between GZ’s statements and the known facts he doesn’t have to rely on Singleton and Serino. He’s got the FDLE investigators who took up the case to query on the stand if he wants to: Batchelor, Gilbreath, O’Steen… They may (or may not) tell a different story.
Remember, the Martin family and their supporters just wanted a trial. I think they would have been satisfied with a manslaughter charge going forward. But the State brought Murder 2. I doubt Angela Corey is the type to pull a Murder 2 charge out of her butt. She’s a political creature, and I doubt she would make a charge in a high profile case unless she thought she could make it stick. Plus, she has to have been aware of the possibilities of losing due to the Casey Anthony verdict. And Corey and BDLR are big 2nd Amendment supporters: I doubt they show up at a gunfight without the necessary ammo…
Just my 2¢.
You bring up valid points. And I hope you are right. I pray that you are right about BDLR having something up his sleeve.
whonoze –your analysis is worth far more than 2 cents.
I would underscore two additional key points: Fogen made himself the fall guy the moment he did what he did, putting a bullet through Trayvon Martin’s heart. Not because he had to, as John Guy so effectively pointed out, but because he wanted to.
Rick Scott’s odds of re-election are minimal. But they drop to zilch if Fogen gets off. and state tourism plummets because of unwarranted fears. Angela Corey brought out the M2 because she has the goods, of which I don’t think we’ve even begun to see. .
THANK YOU! It’s stunning that people who’ve followed the case don’t see the SPD vs FDLE angle. SThe case was taken from the SPD and handled by FDLE. The prosecution play is for Singleton and Serino to come in and lay the groundwork for GZ’s officials statements and then have the folks who did the investigation of them (FDLE) that lead to the Murder 2 change to come in and point out the obvious lies.
So of cures Singleton and Serino are going to hedge though Serino had a a nice thing going with the “not at this time..” line. and then the FDLE investigators will come in and close the door.
Kudos ks for laying out the prosecutions strategy so nicely!
Nice! Once I came to the realization (late today) that SPD witnesses can’t be the ones to highlight all the INCONSISTENCIES in fogen’s stories (since those very SPD players DIDN’T PROSECUTE those inconsistencies) — I was hoping for some 3rd party (outside of SPD) to testify about the INCONSISTENCIES in fogen’s recorded interviews that we saw today. Hallelujah! Thank you for bringing FDLE to my attention — THEY can testify about the mass of INCONSISTENCIES in these recorded interviews. (Word for tomorrow: INCONSISTENCIES. Every question that the Prosecution asks should contain the word “INCONSISTENCIES”!)
You made my day! (Actually REVIVED dashed idealism).
Thank you, whonoze.
There are folks now talking about a direct verdict after the prosecution rests its case. Based on the poor performance of the prosecution today, I am questioning whether this is not out of the realm of possibility.
What do you think?
The defense always asks for that. It’s malpractice to not ask for it. They won’t get it.
My question is, will they get it?
Only if JN decides that no reasonable jury could find him guilty. Which is a very high standard.
I hope you are right.
I am checking out for a while because I can’t stand how wishy washy sone of you are being in your posts. The trial is not over. You are not on the jury so everything that we are doing is speculating based on the evidence.
Anyone who is not ready to throw in the towel can reply to this thread. Any pessimists, as a matter of fact, I have nothing else to say to you.
That is all.
I’ll lift my rock up just a little bit and throw out a white flag! Please forgive me for expressing my frustration with the day in anger! ;-(
I could never be mad at you crazy1946!
If only we had the courage that Trayvons parents have shown during this trial! Now that I have had three pots of coffee, probably won’t sleep for the next month, I have my positive outlook back in place. I could give the excuse that my day was not good, but that would not actually excuse my poor judgment in venting my frustrations with todays events… Thanks for just being there to push me back in the right direction!
i don’t know what trial everyone else is looking at, i’m getting the sense that the jury was more compelled with the audio of the interrogation. we’ve seen the map that clearly details that he followed. i don’t think serino hurt the prosecution’s case at all since he testified that it was Zimmerman in the interrogation audio. he also said the he didn’t think Zimmermans injuries were life threatening. some important details came out imo
hitch hicker guide to the univers DONT PANIC.
The defence do not know what or how to explain away the
No matter how they try nothing they do or say will remotely resemble anything coherent about the TEA.
They can try an fail as no where no how has anything they or there client foggagge said made the slightest bit of sence of ocurrance at the
So it may be brown it may be liquid it may even be hot it may be diohrea
BUT IT IS DEFINATLY NOTHING LIKE TEA.
An anu afficandos of the hitch hikers guide to the UNIVERSE.
I THANK YOU.
Thank you Colin! I’m wondering about all of the dispair.
Never read poetry to a Fogen
And remember the pot of petunias? It had no idea it was falling and would soon be smashed to smitherines.
It seems as though OMar was pretty confident that he was going to get “yes” as the answer to fogen “telling the truth?” or he wouldn’t have asked the question.
I think the Defense is not only getting Z-CAC off, but the racist SPD as well in this case!
If they testify that Zimmerman SHOULD HAVE BEEN PROSECUTED given the evidence they had, the LE witnesses in this case are the ones who would essentially be testifying AGAINST THEMSELVES in how they mishandled this case initially (before it got kicked up to the State Attorneys Office).
The fix is in — and it smells like self-preservation.
That smells the same as “No Equal Protection Under The Law” for Trayvon and other innocents. All to protect one man, Wolfinger.
Wolfinger is the mystery behind the enigma that is Chris Serino.
An elected official, Wolfinger quietly announced he was no longer running for office in the wake of the state appointing a special prosecutor.
If anyone owes the people an answer as to what the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth is about HIS behavior, it’s norm wolfinger. But we are NOT going to hear it.
He refused an interview from the PULITZER PRIZE WINNING reporter from the New York Times who was charged with writing THE major article on the whole case. If he did no wrong, what does he have to hide?
professor. Is THIS what you’re talking about when you warned us about “ebbing a flowing”?! PLEASE say yes! I ‘m trembling in fear!!!
No. This was a disaster.
lol, if he was honest up that point then why did they call him back for 3 different times?
because they couldnt find a witness to the start of the fight and so needed to keep giving this guy enough rope to hang himself, which they did and he did.
Then the world learned about Dee Dee/Rachel J after Serino was no longer in charge of the case.
I am not clear on whether GZ actually ever admitted to asking Trayvon what he was doing there, I had seen on a blog that he supposedly contradicted himself compared to what we heard today- that the first words were from Trayvon ( What’s your problem.”. I haven’t been able recently to find the recordings; don’t know they’ve been removed from the Net.
This should have been BDLR’s finest hour. He blew it . And wilth the guy who recommended that Z be charged with second degree murder. I truly worry about this Prosecution team. Tell me Im crazy. I want to be crazy
You aren’t crazy. Cause I have the same concerns. Why isn’t he fired up and debunking and questioning. He’s too subdued and where are his partners? What are they doing. Ok. Those are thoughts in my head but like others have said perhaps we are being a bit premature. When they start wrapping it up then maybe we should be concerned if the prosecution team is shrugging their shoulders.
Question. They will never hear about the perjury during the bail hearing will they?
I am very curious as to what Guy and the other prosecuting attorney are doing over there. Tweeting? FAcebooking? They just seem really quiet.
I meant ever.
I think they can prove his is a pathological liar. George lied about school,mentoring kids, his wife schooling, He lied about stuff they had no bearing on his case to make himself look better.
I agree. he’s a sociopath probably. He lies when he doesn’t even need to.
They can only prove his lies if they challenge them. The lies that needed challenged were the ones material to the pursuit and shooting of Trayvon Martin.
I doubt lies that have no bearing on this case will be addressed and we still don’t know if he lied about mentoring, his wife’s schooling etc.
MOM going on and on and on to get the witness to agree with what he says is what is confusing me. He pretended that he was going to let Serino tell his procedure and then once he got to the part that I do not think MOM wanted to hear, MOM took over again.
thats what lawyers do. get used to it. They will never ask a questuoin they dont already know the answer to.
if fogen was so credible,why is he seated at the doc? anyone Beuller?
Because the evil Negro people wanted him there. Haven’t you followed along with.this theme before and now during the trial? Threats of riots during voir dire? Hello?
Maybe they are not going to get this from Serino, what does it matter what a cop’s opinion is? I thought opinion was for experts and that LE’s testimony was to be given no more weight than any other witness, civilian or not.
Isn’t it better to get gz on the stand? And can they do this more easily by not making Serino the center of controversy using his ‘opinion’?
It is better to close.all.the doors before the defense opens them with your witness. Im sick of BDLR and his.sloppy direct and cross.examinations.
isnt that re-direct instead of cross? but yes it seems he is attempting to simplify things a lot where he could match the defense with not-picking and doesnt. Maybe thats a choice….
Material differences on the map/timeline isn’t “opinion”. Material difference between where fogen told Singleton he was dropped from the first punch and the actual crime scene is not “opinion”.
These are facts. Material facts and they should have been testified to by the “lead detective” who was represented to the jury as having been over the entire investigation and had access to “ALL” the evidence.
Fogen won;t take the stand, now. He doesn’t need to. Singleton and Serino have authenticated his statements to the jury, and told them there are *no inconsistencies to be concerned about* and that he’s telling the “truth”, respectively. To counter their testimony means impeaching their own witnesses.
OK, going for my cup of tea now. Be back after I calm down. I’m so fucking furious right now, my hands are shaking!
Getting Z on the stand is completely up to him and his attys….their choice.
If fogen is convicted, will he have the ability to sue SPD for letting him go and then arresting him after public pressure on appeal, because he seems like the type of scum to do that? Is that why they are being careful with the testimony and making agreements on what these officers are allowed to say or be asked during testimony?
The SPD didn’t arrest him on their dime. He was arrested after being charged by the special prosecutor.
Yes. I understand that. My question is why they are fielding questions on the stand the way they are now. It is apparent they did not believe him on tape. Now they are conceding that that disbelieve could have been wrong? Just wondering that if they admit that they didn’t believe him and fogen is convicted, if he can turn around and sue SPD for letting him go when they didn’t believe him or at least claim that his trial was unfair because they missed crucial evidence that could have exonerated him if these two investigators had gone followed through on their disbelief.
The short answer is someone can sue someone else for most anything; that does not mean it will be successful.
Yeah, guess so. Just seemed off to me and was wondering why.
xxx Prof please weigh in.
OK… now we worry… because I thought that Serino would bring it home with this interview… but he didn’t… something is not right here… The only thing I seen… is when Serino mentioned that his hits didn’t match the 25-30 blow that Fogen said… that Fogen mention he helped Afro American children why not help Trayvon… instead of shooting him… I thought I heard Serino said he didn’t believe him. … i need to listen to it again.. but I am at loss for word.s
He says on the stand he is telling the truth and yet in his interrogation it is obvious he had doubts, it is obvious the other detective had doubts. Now, unequivocally the guy is a saint of some sort? He says one thing on the stand but sounds very skeptical on the tapes. No wonder he was put on desk duty or wherever they sent him.
Serino said it was a mild challenge interview – he had GZ making statements and he kept getting them all into the record. That was where he felt the investigation was at that point. Until he had something strong to challenge with he didnt try. This is what he is saying, anyway.
Thank you, SouthernGirl!
The condemnations and panic are premature. Wait until the prosecution settles. If BDLR hasn’t brought it by the closing argument, THEN you can panic.
As for Serino. He’s not done testifying….
He might as well be. Whats the state gonna do impeach their coworker?
They don’t have to impeach him. On redirect, they simply have to go back to Serino’s earlier answer which was “not at this/that time”. He already answered a version of MOM’s question several times before he rephrased it.
Also, I’ve always thought that this case will be won by the prosecution with Fogen’s own words. All the witnesses will say whatever their truth is, but it’s Fogen’s words that will stick with the jury and he’s not looking too good and he damn well knows it.
I am not panicking but I am condemning
This guy is a liar and lied on the dead, lied on the person he killed, he needs to be revealed as such
nil nisi bonum
I think the jury will see this from Fogen’s interviews.
Really? Without the state showing the biggest lie is where he started chasing Trayvon? What kind of super jury is going to figure this out?
A super jury that gets to take all the evidence with them into deliberations. No need to prematurely go nuts on this. It’s a marathon not a race and the state is doing exactly what they should be doing.
Yeah, and there’s that little matter of FORENSICS. Was there any consensus as to the accuracy of GPS and if it will come in? I’m thinking that a stretch of back-and-forth texts would ping the cell tower more often and provide more data, but I don’t know too much about those things. You might.
If locations and movements of GZ and TM can be demonstrated, then THAT will establish that GZ’s “consistent” accounts were all lies.
Yes, wait until the end. Hopefully they will summarize and highlight all key points Mr. Guy so passionately put on in his opening statements. I just have to close my eyes in the mean time.
I can’t watch any more. This is one of the most depressing days yet in this trial. I listen to MOM spin and witnesses agree with him, even contradict their prior testimony. This has been 1 ugly trial and I can’t help but wonder if it is fixed to lose. After Mr. Guy’s open, I was sure prosecution would win but now ……………….
Key points should be the kid was not committing a criminal act or doing anything that would warrant any kind of suspicious activity, walking along the sidewalk is not suspicious. Next, Trayvon was making his way away from a perceived threat, someone following him in the dark. Next key point should be this man got out of his vehicle with a loaded weapon to head towards a “perceived threat” instead of allow the authorities, he called, to determine if the threat was actual or perceived. He could have simply gotten an address off any number of homes by his truck on the major street. Key points on various inconsistent statements and superficial, non life threatening injuries. Key point that Rachel Jeantel heard the actual confrontation initiated by the defendant and she is the only true witness has to what had transpired that led to the altercation.
Reading some of the comments make me panic. I think the tapes speak for themselves until MOM get up there running his trap and getting people to agree with him and that is sickening to watch.
Thanks for pulling me back in!
VERY premature. We all just listened to almost an entire day of GZ lying his ass off and the jury seems particularly interested in what he actually said as opposed to GZ’s team’s spin. The last question to Serino was a “media moment” for MOM but will fall by the wayside soon.
I understand that Whonoze, BUT, not only did Bernie not ask Serino about the two drafts and actual capias request establishing that Serino never believed him from jump; BDLR didn’t even MENTION the difference from the “altercation at the T” and the difference to the crime scene where Trayvon lay.
He didn’t ask the tech who took the pictures and that was okay because she didn’t know fogen’s story. But, Serino had been AT the crime scene and he KNEW that fogen’s statement was undisputably, materially changed from what he told Singleton about being dropped by a single punch at the T, and his walk through. Who else do you get to make that point, except the lead investigator? Even Gilbreath said the evidence was the body, the shell casings and his statements. BDLR didn’t question Serino on any of it. Nor, any of the material inconsistencies some of the very smart people who post here, pointed out in the map/timeline.
BDLR should have gone through those inconsistencies one by one. Who else can testify to them? Gilbreath, instead of the detective who did the questioning in the moment? It just doesn’t make sense.
It takes ALOT for me to condemn BDLR, but I’m seriously furious right now. SERIOUSLY FURIOUS.
Maybe a cup of tea and some mundane tasks will calm me down.
BDLR is not finished with Serino yet. Remenber how earlier in the day when folks were on Singleton’s case then the interview tapes came out with Serino? Also, most of Serino’s cross was good for the prosecution? Let’s not fall into the spin zone.
What’s was telling to me was the reported interest the Jury had in listening to GZ’s lies.
BDLR is finished with his DIRECT examination of Serino. He cannot bring up any information that was not in O’Mara’s cross. That’s what direct examination was for.
Earlier in the day, we knew we had Serino, the lead detective, coming up after Singleton. There is no further fall back detective who was “in the moment”, with access to ALL the evidence. Singleton and Serino were it.
Anyone else should have been brought on to support Serino’s conclusions, based on evidence Serino collected as lead investigator. Anyone else’s conclusions are second hand, at best.
(Not finish testifying.)
I don’t understand all the ney-saying in the afternoons.
Keep the faith until you know something for fact.
I think that jurors are more concerned with audio of the interrogation now. o’mara is trying to smear it, but he hadn’t got to why Serino filed manslaughter charges. He really wasn’t concerning his questioning with the interrogation. serino had no choice but to say he felt the defendant was honest at the point because otherwise there would have been an arrest and manslaughter charges placed.
2 officers say he was consistant wtf??
consistant even his lieing was inconsistan ?
time line inconsistent wtf?
OMG what is happening here, Serino seemed to fold on the stand and Omara got him just where he wanted. He covered all the rumors that plagued this case and completely made Serino look meek. Im having a change of perspective based on this trial turning into what a lot of crimes against AA, where they have a trial so that they can at the very least say:”well he did have a trial”so that keeps AA from feeling completely at a loss when he gets off. This starts off well and then it seems BDLR throws in the towel so to speak…..Im in need of some clarity really bad…..
Yep. Wtf is the purpose of the state calling witness es and not explaining why they are being called, letting them off the stand without asking basic questions and letting the defense run out the clock? I told y’all early on I was mad as phuck and that hasn’t changed.
theve heard him lie over an over again.
What just happened
The State just put foggagge on the stand b proxy.
An the JURY LIKE US WILL SEE THE SHIT HE IS FULL OFF.
The state just lost this case, that’s what happened.
Yep! I’m still waiting for the state to go on the offensive. Eight days in and nothing. The last year has been a waste. The state should have just Zimmerman go. This is beyond pathetic.
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
if there are only two choices and you take one off obviously there is only one left ..ok so take he was telling the truth off the table…
pathological liar left…
I have two coins in my hand and neither one is a nickel. Do I have a nickel in my hand?
———————————-TM MURDER TRIAL — DAY 6 — July 1, 2013 — NOTES ON PROCEEDINGS————
MONDAY July 1, 2013 AFTERNOON SESSION
July 1, 2013 at 1:30 pm EDT
Officer Singleton’s Testimony resumes
State Exhibit 47 — picture of Zimmerman face
July 1, 2013 at 2:31 pm
“I never expected this hostility from her, I am about to pass out.”
July 1, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Frederick Leatherman says:
“Her hostility surprised me too.”
July 1, 2013 at 2:31 pm
“I suspect this testimony illustrates why Serino was bumped down and she wasn’t. Interesting how all these “didn’t think it was suspicious” when clearly in the later
interrogation she, herself, caught fogen in a bunch of lies.
Serino is not in uniform.”
July 1, 2013 at 2:30 pm EDT
Officer Christopher Serino to the witness stand
July 1, 2013 at 2:34 pm
State’s Exhibit 179 — 02/27/13 12:05 am Audio Interview — Det. Serino w/Zimmerman
Begin playing audio interview w/questioning of Det. Serino
Showing pictures of Zimmerman’s face
July 1, 2013 at 2:46 pm
Frederick Leatherman says:
“Serino believed the defendant’s injuries were ‘minor.’”
July 1, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Playing Video “Re-Enactment”
July 1, 2013 at 3:10 pm
State’s Exhibit 180 — 45min. Audio/Video Interview Weds 02/29/12 — Det. Serino and Singleton w/Zimmerman
Begin playing audio/video interview w/questioning of Det. Serino
July 1, 2013 at 3:27 pm
“Notice how HUGE GZ looks compared to Serino in the video view — but NOT in the mirror behind them.
LIKE THE 7-ELEVEN VIDEO VIEW of TM and the store clerk!
Serino: ‘Trayvon was tall and skinny’”
July 1, 2013 at 3:27 pm
“[Serino:] ‘Has it gotten through to you that if you had let him know you are neighborhood watch you might not be here now?’”
July 1, 2013 at 3:38 pm
“I sure hope the jury notices how Singleton handles this interview versus how she testified in court today.
July 1, 2013 at 3:39 pm
“They will notice.”
July 1, 2013 at 3:46 pm
“Singleton: Instead of talking to him and identifying yourself as NW, you instead rolled up your window? This guy knew you were following him ‘Don’t you think that you
might have seemed CREEPY to him?’
Singleton characterizes his actions as CREEPY before she knows that’s exactly how Trayvon was describing him to DD!”
July 1, 2013 at 3:55 pm
“[Singleton:] You didn’t tell me that you said, ‘Oh shit he’s running and got out of the car to go in the same direction as him’”
July 1, 2013 at 3:57 pm
“Serino confronts him with the wacky timeframe when Zim says he was headed back to the truck.”
July 1, 2013 at 3:58 pm
“@rhugheswftv says three jurors have hands over mouth while this is playing”
July 1, 2013 at 4:00 pm
“This fat pig is TOAST!!!! And all the pro-Fogan media can kiss my ass! They’ve lied for a year!! These cops are saying what the crypt keepers have managed to
July 1, 2013 at 4:14 pm
“I especially like when Serino tells him he did not say punk! It has always sounded like coon to me.”
July 1, 2013 at 4:01 pm
“Oh shit he is running, sounds like you are following him. You want us to believe you needed a flash light to go where you just ran? haha”
July 1, 2013 at 4:02 pm
“It’s hard to believe his arrest was put off for 44 days!”
July 1, 2013 at 4:06 pm
“Remember Dale Gilbeath at the capias hearing? ‘We have the body; we have the shell casing, and we have the defendant’s statements.’”
July 1, 2013 at 4:07 pm
“Very persuasive interview. Again–how could he have smothered you and there is no ceasing of the yells.
Also the confrontation–that doesn’t even sound like me.”
July 1, 2013 at 4:08 pm
Court in recess for 15 minutes
July 1, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Court back in session — Det. Serino still on the stand
July 1, 2013 at 4:32 pm
“Fogen ‘…and when he came over to my car he put his hand in his waistband….’
Serino ‘…yeah, he had his hand on his ice tea’
Fogen ‘(blank expression)'”
I wonder how many of these officers will be allowed to simply retire for the SPD shortly after this trial with a pension? I have been in denial about a fix being in, but this testimony today (what I have heard) stinks! The opinions given by Sereno simply do not match what the recording are showing… I suppose justice does depend on money in Florida…. Or perhaps I should say justice is for sale to the highest bidder…. Wasn’t their a petition from Florida requesting to be allowed to drop out of the union of the United States? Is it too late for me to sign it yes to allow them to leave?
Let’s let Texas and most of AZ go with ’em.
This is the experience that many black people have the American judicial system. Hence the reason that there were so many negative comments last week, many of which I think came from African Americans. I wrote a long post about it yesterday.
It’s not that we were trying to demoralized this blog. It had nothing to do with members of this blog or a lack of support for Trayvon Martin and his family. We support Trayvon Martin and his family. It’s that we have already been demoralized long before this trial even happened. Because being black in American can be demoralizing.
A large number of us do not approach the judicial system, the police or the government with the expectation of getting justice. That is demoralization.
Sophia33, now that I have had a full pot of coffee (and burns all the way to my toe nails) and time to calm down and reflect, I accept that I allowed my anger with the performance of the SPD and their personal, I can only conclude that perhaps I spoke in haste! BDLR and AC have done a pretty good job thru this whole disgraceful episode in our history, and it is not fair to them at this time to just throw in the towel! What all of us here on this blog and I think it extends to well outside the confines of this blog want is justice for a murdered child. I not only want justice for Trayvon, I demand that justice be served! I allowed my anger to over load my common sense and lost sight of that objective, and for that I apologize, it was uncalled for! I keep hoping for a better place in this nation for all people, not just white or black because I think that race has no place in a persons worth or value.. Ok, I’ll now go back under my rock and be quiet!
That is why you are a good person crazy1946. I have never met you, but I know as sure as I am sitting here that you are a good person. And your optimism is what is needed.
I was just trying to explain to you how a segment of people viewed the case. That’s all.
Sophia33, I really think you would be surprised how many white (if there is such a color) are disgusted with the way our fellow American Citizens are and have been treated! Let’s not lose sight of our need for Justice for a 17 year old “child” who was murdered…
I agree with you crazy1946. I know that you are one of those people who are disgusted. I know many others like you. It still doesn’t change how those who have been treated poorly may perceive things differently. I was just trying to present that.
But I agree with you on putting positive energy out there that the killer of a 17 year-old child gets put in jail where he belongs.
Well it looks like the only justice Trayvon and his family will get will be through the civil courts, if that. I hope Mr. Crump sues them to hell and back!
You might be premature in saying that. We haven’t heard all of Serino’s story yet.
Every time the state has a crappy day were advised to wait. LOL I’m not an idiot. They had a year to get this case together. He is a private citizen who followed a kid and killed him. He is a wanna be cop, what is going on here with the state of FL? LOL. We were punked.
“Every time the state has a crappy day were advised to wait. LOL I’m not an idiot.”
Wait for what? A videotape to incriminate GZ?
I did not watch today, I am getting that sentiment from reading comments here and on twitter. I also tried to stay updated with tweets from the news media.
What am I waiting for? Absolutely nothing. I already know he is guilty, in fact I think he is guilty of First degree murder. There are 6 women who are going to decide guilty/not guilty and I want no room for waffling. I remember Casey Anthony jurors saying they knew she was guilty but they felt there was reasonable doubt. Now what is reasonable doubt? I don’t know what kind of bar these women have so I want NO room for ANY doubt at all.
Again, if my comments are demoralizing I will self censor.
I certainly hope so. I need to calm down, there’s lot’s more evidence to come in. This case may hang on the forensics because the witnesses and SPD are damn sure not stepping up and doing the right thing.
Um. I missed most of the day but sounds like it was a wash? Where is racer the Republican? mechanic who comments here. I have a bone to pick with you, you said you had some bombshells about the phone records of Zimmerman. It looks like maybe one call at 10 to 7 from his wife.
I know trials are not about smoking guns but I sure would like something. I don’t know the jury and what they will need. Could be a few Zidiots among those 6 women.
Where was CAC at 10 to 7 that Mrs. CAC had to call him? I thought he was home WITH the little woman (before he left to go grocery shopping and all)!
I’m confused and angry. WTF just happened?
BDLR allowed this to happen. It’s no ones fault but his. Period.
Tashatexas — you think this is the 50-yard-dash. It’s not. It’s a marathon, and Bernie is a champion runner with a track record to prove it.
In my opinion, you’re way too critical. Calm down some, look at things from the big pic. I’ve been wanting to say this to you for days.
thanks to you, too trained observer
I just want to clarify, i’m being critical of tasha texas. we’re all on the same side. don’t take this the wrong way, please.
I stand by my original statement. Clearly O’Frankenstein has realized that BDLR purposely leaves things out in his direct exam so he can force MOM to come at the witness from certain angles so what MOM does is spin the witness so that things BDLR didn’t mention become MOM,’s nail in the coffin moment. The only witness this strategy was ineffective against was Rachel. Why? BDLR covered all the bases and that left the defense with no option but to try to bully Rachel into saying something different. Now granted Rachel was firmly the states witness but an approach similiar to what he took with her would have worked with Serino. Because BDLR failed miserably at getting Serino to talk about his view of Zimmerman’s story during the different phases of the investigation he allowed MOM to focus solely on the first interview and he got Serino to say Zimmerman had told the truth. This smoke and mirror act was handed to MOM by BDLR who failed miserably yesterday. Period.
Tasha- who have no clue what you are saying. Trials are NOT win in one day. (Unless its traffic court). Bernie is NOT done with Serino, not by a long shot. Do you realize that BDLR will be receiving a prestigious award for his legal prowess later this month? An attorney doesn’t win that if they are in the habit if throwing cases or making stupid moves. You show a decidedly annoying lack of patience with the proceedings. MOM got the final word on one day. So what?
Serino and Singleton just caved in to a cold blooded murder! And don’t think for one second this bastard won’t do it again if he gets away with it.
*murderer… too upset typing too fast
Well Serino says he was telling the truth. All of these people have it out for the victim. This guy, Serino, sounded very doubtful in some of the interviews and even went on to lead the defendant in some cases. This is probably why he got tossed off detective duties and now all of a sudden he had no questions about the veracity of Zimmerman’s statements. This is why I don’t like watching this. What is the going rate for murder these days. Time served, a pat on the hand…..saddens me.
When I say lead, I mean leading him as far as what to say and what happened. Instead of allowing him to speak for himself.
i feel its more complex than that. Serino answered truthfully what he was asked – taking pathalogical liar off the table, was he telling the truth in your opinion? WHat can one say to that?
Serino was tricked by MOM and maybe a juror was tricked too which is MOM’s intent. Serino could have said the question made no sense and perhaps BDLR could have objected to how the question was phrased. Neither happened and the last thing jurors heard was Serino said GZ was telling the truth.
This is the time to start to worry,it really don’t look good for us.
Litigation never “looks good” to anyone as it’s going on. It probably doesn’t look so good to the defense right now, either.
I’m afraid that it come down to the final, closing arguments (a/k/a summation), which will pull it all together – and the State gets to have the last words. That’s a lot of pressure on closing argument, but hopefully the State has it plotted out ahead and is tweaking it along the way. The State did a great opening, so we can probably expect the same at closing.
Contrary to an apparent defense strategy, I don’t believe there’s any support for the notion that “the one who talks the most” wins!
It’s OK to feel worried – that goes with the litigation territory. But, hang in. There are lots of “hairy” days ahead.
Well, Ty … Sorry for my optimistic reply, above. Just when I jumped on the cheery-side bandwagon, the professor seems to be in agreement with you. It’s a roller-coaster, for sure.
colin black says:
July 1, 2013 at 4:32 pm
July 1, 2013 at 4:28 pm
that is just foul, whatever it is
Sorry cant resist
WEST Is litterlery using the CHEWBACCA DEFENCE
i agree. google it. The chewbacca defense is in play here. Short version is just to confound and confuse the jury with massive amounts of bullshit so the “reasonable doubt” is about whether they even understand what the hell the defense is talking about, then claim that means the case is unclear and the jury must acquit. It’s a “red herring argument”
Thanks. I thought the chewbacca defense is what West was doing early on with a wad in his mouth.
Why wouldn’t Serino want to point out GZ’s inconsistencies, I do not understand, please help me understand
I’m not certain that Serino ever fully saw all Fogen’s inconsistencies.
He didn’t have months like we did. But he should have caught a few serious things like the “doubling back to circle the vehicle” being GZ’s story although impossible to reconcile wiht the timing of the NEN call recording ( he seems to “get” that something was wrong but not exactly what yet, so he went for the timing of the returning towards the truck bit instead) and the fact that GZ ALWAYS left out the running away.
It’s also important to note however that his goal was mainly to keep GZ giving statements as long as possible and to keep cooperating with out a lawyer present. SO he was always “mild” (his words) with George.
I’m actually more upset that BDLR didn’t go through those inconsistencies, one by one, on direct examination. He’s running the show, this is HIS case in chief. There is no excuse for this, as far as I can see.
from his own mouth during one of the pre-trial hearings :
“The issue in this case is whether the Defendant had the right to target, follow, shoot and kill an unarmed seventeen year-old child, to then recite a litany of demonstrably false and internally inconsistent versions of the events, and to now shamelessly attempt to co-opt the mantle of victimhood for himself.”
so it is time to put up or shut up
the time to put up or shut up will go on for another four to ten days I predict. BDLR is “putting up” every witness the defense might call FIRST and getting the jury to see the BASIC outlines of the case, and SOMETIMES drawing the picture for them. I suspect he wants to NAIL the defense on rebuttal on several points as a means to keep up the pressure. And he’s holding off drawing the WHOLE picture until closing arguments.
But time will tell. GZ will NOT take the stand it seems clear. So it’s up to BDLR to ensure that his many lies are made plain – this means he had to allow GZ’s false narrative to come out in the form of statements to SPD, but he has many ways to show still to come that the statements dont match the testimoy and evidence.
Is he up to the task? I’d be hard pressed to know how to prosecute this case DIFFERENTLY much less better. He’s getting it all out in the open at least.
I’d be hard pressed to know how to prosecute this case DIFFERENTLY much less better.
True enough – especially when your prosecution investigators don’t even want to testify!
In the interview of Feb 29. 2012 (3 days after the murder) it is clear that Serino and Singleton had identified many of the lies and inconsistencies in fogen’s version(s) because the two officers were asking the same questions WE justice bunnies have been asking for over a year!
Now, think back — given that we know they KNEW about overwhelming incriminating holes in ZCAC’s story back on 2/29/12 (since we saw and heard the recorded interviews today) the ONLY explanation that this case did not get prosecuted is that someone(s) higher up in the chain of command pulled strings to sweep this case into nonexistence and let the unarmed-kid-killing CAC walk free.
Now Serino (and all the LE witnesses involved) are in the position of saying that SPD criminally mishandled this case (and how many others?) — which would jeopardize their livelihood, pension, and employment OR they can play along with the corrupt Defense and act like “Meh, it’s not that bad — he only killed one kid, and otherwise he’s nice and polite.”
That’s why. We aren’t going to see anyone give up their career to do the right thing. I hope Bernie can find some 3rd party to actually mine and explore the information from those interviews in front of the jury. It CAN’T be someone involved with the SPD, because the jury might dismiss incriminating data just because a LE “authority figure” didn’t make a big deal about it (minimized it like OMar has built his whole case on).
MOM is trying to unring the bell of the jury having seen GZ fold like a cheap suit under the challenges from Singleton and Serino. That seemed pretty transparent to me. They’re going to watch and listen to that interview again.
… Including all the strategically placed, “[sigh] I don’t remember.”
i don’t think the jury is buying it, the interview speaks for itself and Serino and Singleton are going to cover their own butts. The very good news is that the jury requested to know when they are going to hear that interview again.
Thank you! BDLR will redirect. I have a feeling the jury has zoned out on the defense’s histrionics though it may play well with some in the media. MOM is like a bad magician trying to disappear the elephant in the room.
tell me more about the jury requesting to hear that again. – what is your source for that info? I may have missed it and I’m also glad if that is true.
During the trial today (maybe right after the jury came in from a 15-minute break arouind 4:28PM EDT?) one of the jury members asked the judge if they could hear the tapes again (or something) because they hadn’t been able to hear them very well. The judge said they’d be provided copies and a device with which to play in deliberation phase.
We’ll see if the jury isn’t buying it. After all they live in Florida too and Stanford does not have a good race relations record.
well, there is something hinky down at sanford PD
Serino has to go to work there every day if he wants his pension. He’s also seemingly washed his hands of the whole matter in some regard, or wishes he could. Put yourself in his shoes. I think he KNOWS GZ can lie about a murder that happened in the dark and it will be VERY hard to prove he is lying. he’s right.
i agree. i think the state attorney office also realized that serino and singleton were decent folks caught in a suck situation and are doing their best to protect them.
i expect to see FDLE and corey’s investigators take the stand for the rough stuff.
just the way i think it’s going to pan out. guy stressed in his opening statements that the lies would be exposed, unless corey is deliberately throwing the case (a conspiracy theory i will not yet buy), they have proof of such.
strange day in court though.
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Guest you cant shoot someone center mass and think you missed
Court is in recess until tomorrow at 9 am EDT.
LOL thats better than monday, got my days mixed up! 🙂
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Correct me if I’m wrong but all of the witnesses testimony didn’t go along with GZ’. In face Sernio changed witnesses statements, am I wrong?
No your correct foggagges version matches no eye witness accounts nor even location of caseing an TRAYVON
His self serveing statements ie lies match nothing not even reality phycics.
He told people the person who survived was yelling – ?
GZ mistakenly seems to have told Jayne, W18 that the screams were for certain coming from GZ. Serino didn’t have any information to the contrary at that time, but he was trying to comfort the distraught woman and so he let that out when he should not have.
HOWEVER, he also spoke with Austin’s mother and let slip out that he felt GZ was lying and the case was “about race” but that you needed to read between the lines.
Serino is a complex guy. We are seeing the tip of an iceberg and a person who has retained Baez as a lawyer to protect himself from what, we don’t know.
I agree totally Willis.
What’s so “complex” about him? Seriously.
My guess (set forth above) is that Serino’s testimony is part of a deal. I call it a FIX. I still think Fogen will be convicted but the FIX is to exonerate the SPD.
I agree, Willis. I still think he is going to be made into a sacrificial lamb during the civil trial, even though the whole department colluded. He is the one recorded telling witnesses they didn’t hear what they thought they heard & he is also the one who smelled a rat even though he was smiling in gz’s face. He looks like a wreck. He is afraid of omara, showing hesitancy to agree but agreeing anyway. Its sad.
In serino’s mind there were no decent eye witnesses at all because the important part was HOW DID IT START. No one seems to have seen that. Plenty of people saw SOME or heard some but even then not in good light and not very reliably. This was a fight in the proverbial dark alley where the loser was the only other witness who saw the start and he’s dead.
Later the STATE learned that Dee Dee/ Racheal J/ W8 was on the phone w trayvon. She is the star witness Serino wishes he had. But Serino never had her as part of his investigation. By that time the family, who found her, wanted to deal with only the feds and so they kept Dee Dee/W8? RJ from the SPD.
So, you think Rachel is the “star” witness? As if, no case without her? I think she was icing on the cake. Serino had grossly inconsistent, self-serving statements by GZ and knew it, had done some very slack (or worse) witness interviews, and then publicly agreed with Lee (and, thus, Wolfinger) that there was no case against GZ.
I don’t call that complex. I call it doing what you’re told. And it looks like he’s still doing that.
Privately, he apparently held a different view. And let’s suppose, as MOM suggests, that his superiors were rushing him to conclude his investigation. Does he have the guts and integrity to say that? We’ll have to see, but it didn’t look like it today.
So, OK, he’s no hero. He doesn’t want to risk his livelihood by talking. But that just makes him ordinary, to me, not complex.
Take pathological liar off the table, did you think he was telling the truth?
That makes no sense to me.
Looks like Serino is in on the fix.
I’ve never seen anything like this in my life. This feels like Kabuki theater and if I were the Martin family I’d go ballistic at this display.
BDLR will correct that on redirect. How can Serino say he thought CAC was telling the truth?
you are very optimistic
and he needs to correct a whole lot more than that
I hope it allows the State to bring in witness #9 and the car salesman witness,
that was a humdinger of a question that BDLR let go by.
“If the answer is either yes or no and it’s not yes, is it no?”
well, let;s see…. the answer is no!
I could not believe what I was hearing
don’t mean to be dramatic but when this passes for rhetoric, we are in a democratic decline
O: Imagine it be impossible to be guilty of murder, would zimmerman be then innocent?
Again, Serino is testifying to what he thought AT THE TIME. He obviously did come to the conclusion that Z-CAC was lying at some point, since he thought charges ought to be filed.
10 bucks says we never hear of his 1st 3 capiases
and his assertions of Zimmerman’s angelic honesty go unchallenged tomorrow
full disclosure: I so hope to lose this fake bet, but I don’t think I will.
yeah, that’s part of his job to asess everything and THEN come up with the conclusion. he didn’t say what he felt about the actual interview when his all of the inconsistencies came out. o’mara didn’t ask him that, he settled with truth at the time. it’s still crazy that serino said, “yes”. they had dug up some thorough evidence by Zimmerman’s own admission and I think that the jury is seriously going to pay attention to it.
The 3/29/12 interview reflects that Serino at that point in time considered parts of GZ’s story very suspect – i.e. a lie. But he seems afraid of / averse to saying or agreeing with the word, “lie.”
that just blew my mind Prof! its nonsensical. But I still think Serino WANTS to tell the truth. Apparently this skirts too close to the political fix? (Which i think is separate)… So maybe it will all become clear on Monday, once certain parties complete the hammering out.
Serino wants his pension more than the Truth in one measly case. Same for Singleton and every LEO testifying.
Unless he thinks gz is a pathological liar.
Even worse — the jury was having trouble hearing the recorded interviews that had such damning information in them! NOW, having sat thru OMars “No biggy, nothing to see here” hypnmotic drone, the jury has been pre-INOCULATED against the very damning fogen lies exposed in those interviews when they DO get to hear them!
Lady Justice is blind, but I think she just got shanked!
The good thing about their inability to hear well is that they will listen again on their own. Judge Nelson reminded the jury that they could do just that.
Serino has to say he believed him!
Else he knowingly set free a cold blooded killer!
That’s just plain not true. Serino knew that Fogen was lying. Otherwise why did he write those first two drafts with the request for charges of Murder-2? And he knew Fogen was lying about 25-30 punches and head slams. And he knew Fogen was lying about drawing his gun out of his pocket while he was on his back with the Black Behemoth still mounted on him! And he even told Tracy he didn’t believe Fogen about him “circling the car” in the rain. F*I*X
NOW I know what Baez’s job was. Check and we will see who PAID Baez. His job was to negotiate a settlement among the prosecution, the defense, the SPD and the feds, so that the investigation would come out saying, “We have investigated and we found that nothing was done wrong.” An elaborate charade.
“NOW I know what Baez’s job was. Check and we will see who PAID Baez. His job was to negotiate a settlement among the prosecution, the defense, the SPD and the feds, so that the investigation would come out saying, “We have investigated and we found that nothing was done wrong.” An elaborate charade.”
Looks like the whole thing is a huge fix at this point. I have always wondered why Jose Baez was necessary in this case. His statement today was a huge give away as to what is happening.
Ok, I had dismissed the notion as nothing more than conspiracy theory, but I’m beginning to wonder if indeed it’s true that the state is just going through the motions of a trial to placate the population.
There have been just too many unforced errors.
wow serino….. way to save your own ass.
Pathological LIAR. MOM got the last word in & it sucked, “he was telling the truth”, “yes” sickening!
Sanford Police Dept. has to be one of the worst in the country. When a grown man shoots a teen dead and they start protecting the shooter it is time to clean house.
The family of Trayvon martin sent a letter asking the DoJ to do that. They never got an answer.
I thought the DOJ was investingating SPD and the FBI was investigation whether or not it was a hate crime?
If the FBI say they cannot find 1 person that can tell them CAC is not a racist then I’m a monkey’s aunt as my grandpa would say. All they would have to do is look at the family and friends what they’ve put out in the media.
I’ll take pathological liar for $ 1000, Alex!
Serino took truth.
At least he’s not saying he believes him. I’ll give Serino that much.
WHAT?? The truth??
Either he was telling the truth or he was complete pathological liar!
Although, I suspect that the third possibility is that George has thoroughly talked himself into believing his own tale–mark of denial.
that is the definition of a pathological liar,they believe their lies
What did “I hope someone did videotape”?
My answer: GZ was bluffing to!
This is making me ill.
Either he was telling the truth or he was a complete pathological liar.
And nothing in between….
I would say patheological liar!!
Look at his family — it’s genetic.
telling truth or COMPLETE PATHOLOGICAL LIAR
Hi fauxmccoy left a comment on last blog, I’m in seminole co visiting trying to get a seat in the courtroom ,got my call I’m in for tomorrow gotta be there at 8:15am. I have your email if I could communicate with someone during breaks. Happy I get to see serino finish. Also I met the AA fellow behind Sabrina today. No one in Sanford /Lake Mary calls me Patricia, go by boat name. Paddywagon. You can confirm my email with professor.
Get to see the “Creepy ass cracker” up front and in court.
fabulous! look forward to hearing from you! do you want me to forward your live reports to the blog? that would be pretty cool — live blogging with live reporting!
What did you do,and where did you go, Patricia. I am here now and want to sit one day this week. I wish we could get together and chat this week.
What is the address and the actual place within the location I should report?
Pathological liar. Yes, he is.
Now how could Trayvon Martin’s phone been video tapping while Trayvon Martin was fighting for his life.
GZ knew that there were no video cameras because he was NHW.
I go with option 2..pathological liar
GZ wasn’t stupid. He knew there wasn’t enough light!
He knew that they didn’t have video cameras. He was neighborhood watch.
So a bluff always works, ergo Zimmerman was not lying
He had a straight flush when he folded, so therefor he gets the pot of money! same logic
Serino pressed GZ on the time to return to his car.
What he didn’t confront on, was the time it took to travel from clubhouse vicinity to cut thru area. Singleton hit him on this but neither went all the way.
(re flashlight: Jesus serino, review the tapes before you show up in court. )
Exactly. Like I said, hes the perfect witness to go ovee the timeline with but BDLR failed. So pissed.
So Fogen won’t be getting in the box since O’Mara has spent all afternoon testifying for him. This is sickening!
This is typical: wait till you see a rape trial…. the same thing happens where the victim ends up on trial seemingly while the rapist sits there like a potted plant.
It’s just how out system works.
It’s still so sad though 😦
Serino is dodging MOM fairly well. Got that “bad mentor” thing in there.
Is O’Mara running the clock here or what??
Definitely — doesn’t want to end yet another day with Bernie exposing huge bombs.
The mentoring small bhlaack children is too much. Despicable MOM
he had made reference to mentoring (AA) children (and didnt seem uncomfortable speaking w them) so why didn’t GZ speak to trayvon?
Good one Serino… He worked with African American Children he would have worked with Trayvon instead of the end of result of Death.. lol
The interview of Serino is more about hiding the truth then revealing
this will give the people no relief
Nice try, O’Mara. but your client said on national T.V. he had no regrets. wouldn’t change a thing….God’s Plan
Mentoring black children. But won’t just tell Trayvon his concerns.
“the way i’d view them, as a major crime investigator, i didn’t consider them life threatening.”
Serino is sitting on the fence here. He never “challenged” George on his injuries in any strong way.
no. GZ says it is God’s plan. Can’t change the outcome
GZ’s mentoring snuck in there as good character.
BDLR already has him on the ropes for character references, if he remembers…
I am getting depressed and bored with MOM and Serino.
M’OM wanted to end the day at 5 something because he thought he was ending on a high note. I don’t think he’s going to end on that same perceived high note.
O’Mara had to recite again the list of injuries. Serino says he saw abnormalities.
Do you think the jury realized the cops are being hostile?
Who knows? They sat there like dummies, unable.to hear the tapes and said nothing until it was over.
Serino just said his injuries, from his experience seeing injuries, is that Zimmerman’s injuries were not or did not appear to be life threatening.
Here is instructing the jury again via asking a question.
I heard that, regarding not “needing ANY injuries” (emphasis by O’Mara).
He does it each time he is up. Both he and West and they get away with because they are relentless. If there is an objection they come back with it later or re-worded. It’s driving me nuts.
I saw imperfections. You mean a couple of scrapes.
Lumpy lump head CAC harassing, stalking, chasing down and then killing a kid as he begged for his life.
Vitals are normal and school the next evening – sicko.
You do not have to have life threatening injuries?
Having reason to believe that they would be the result, I believe, is sufficient.
serino corrects MOM who says 20-30 times to the correct 25-30 times.
Yes! Serino. They weren’t life threatening.
Injuries not sufficient for being hit 25-30 times.
Well that’s one point for the state. Too bad BDLR didnt bring it out of him.
O’Mara wanted Serino to say he had done a knock-down challenge interview and yet nothing came of it. Glad Serino didn’t fall for it.
I missed a good bit of the day, and have yet to be able to read all the posts, did they do anything about West and his evil spawn? Or did it simply get ignored and allowed to go away?
Serino mentions OMISSIONS
MOM bought in racial profiling. Thought that was not to be mentioned.
Only in opening statements.
the state isnt charging racial profiling happned. The defense throws in “racial profiling” as a term hoping ot hear witnesses say it wasn’t racial profiling. It’s a trick.
CRIMINAL profiling happened.
This is a farce
Tell me about it. 100% pure and unadulterated b.s. Im not watching, just reading here and sulking.
Same with me. I said, No fire to win. Its devastating.
MOM there is nothing you can do about how bad that taped interview made your cold, hateful client look.
Seems as though the defense has had Don West take a day off.
yes. he is there but not particpating. not even going to the bench when the lawyers approach. maybe he is off the case because of his stupidity and is only presence so the jury doesn’t hold it against footinmouth
On the scale of challenge interviews it was… mild
Serino kept GZ calling him and making friendly chats up until THE DAY he was arrested.
It was “mild”.
I was gentle…
it was good cop/ good cop as long as GZ kept talking. The were giving him enough rope.
Serino just testified that he hadn’t gotten to a challenge interview. He wasn’t READY for it, yet. And now MOM got him to agree to “let’s call [something] a challenge interview, OK?”
Finally, clearing that up, it seems.
They didn’t exaggerate inconsistencies. Fogen offered the inconsistencies all on his own.
MOM talks way too much. If he is talking so much that he hardly lets the witness speak.
He needs to say things like Zimmerman HAD TO shoot Trayvon.
he has been testifying the whole damn trial
It is sickening! The jury is suppose to listen to the witnesses testimony in which to base their verdict, right?
Nothing lawyers say is evidence, remember that
I lost NBC. Who else is livestreaming?
Hit refresh it comes back up.
NBC just went down, wild about trial is here
Has NBC feed dropped or is it me ?
Just refresh the page. It happened to me too.
Thanks, done it and I have it back.
What pressure from the outside? this is the very next day? He did tell many different things.
He outright lied and made omissions and if BDLR doesn’t ask if Martin being on the phone would have caused him to doubt Fogen I’ll scream.
They just told the Martins that day, right? What pressure?
he may ask serino’s opinion on that last interview… he’s tripping over some traps here..
Command voice. Where is he going with this? Fogen was not a cop. They are arguing for and against him? Hoping one or the other will stick. Nice soft, NW guy and commanding protector of the neighborhood. This is where BDLR should play fogen asking Singleton about her command voice.
Those cops are trying to protect themselves. Its so sad that the superiors got involved so a proper investigation wasn’t done.
I completely agree. It is sickening.
And all for a kid killer. I will never be able to understand.
Blaming the external pressures for having to move forward with a “challenge interview.”
lack of streets in his neighborhood. External pressure? What pressure the next day?
Quicker? They had 44 days!!!!
“Just didn’t add up”
Yes, tell it Serino. It didn’t add up.
Yamiche Alcindor @Yamiche
O’Mara says he won’t finish anytime soon. Jury says they can go until 6.
Yamiche Alcindor @Yamiche
O’Mara says he won’t finish anytime soon. Jury says they can go until 6.
I think that this may have been where the fix came in, but then omara went beyond the agreed..?
The state has introduced Fogens statements why the hell wont they piece together what they are trying to show? This is wack. I feel for the Martin family.
i think they did. We just saw it, the highlight of this trial (unless fogen gets in the box himself).
i saw a few of those last week. remember the previous 911s, the medical records, and Jeantel’s depo.
The crypt keepers strategy seems to be to blather on as long as possible so the jury forgets the powerful testimony just given for the prosecution.
yep. the slime.
BDLR will have another go at pulling it forward.
That’s what I think, too. (At least, part of their strategy.)
Yes that along with the “Big Lie” technique. The problem for them is that they can’t wash away GZ’s interviews or staements and that’s what the jury will use and not MOM’s blather.
Yep. Protecting SPD.
I don’t get why JN often gives the defense “just this one question” after State objection. Is it indecisiveness?
way too much politics around what should be a very clear social message, don’t fucking follow unarmed and business minding citizens
they are trying to sink the Martins civil case but risking justice to do it
but most importantly they are lying
Has anyone else noted that any time MOM gets his nuts in a wringer he suddenly is concerned about giving the jury a break? What an a**!
Hope the jury stays til 6…
Oh, how nice of MOM to suggest to jN that it’s “her call” on when to call it a day.
Fogen needs his pampers.
He needs his laxative suppositories.
west lobs something brown and gross into his gaping maw
it’s his pride…..
July 1, 2013 at 4:28 pm
WEST Is litterlery using the CHEWBACCA DEFENCE.!
Nice closeup shot.
oh yeah, baby.
I saw that while jaw jawing it with GZ and the jury was coming in. No respect for the jury at that point.
Oh good, we heard that one !
if jury goes to 6 definite convict I predict.
Prof its a Proffer.
Did I hear Serino ask, “do you think it’s possible he saw the gun when you were standing, before you punched him?”
“when will BDLR let loose the dogs of war”
If he’s smart, about 1/2 to 2/3 the way through the State’s case. Let the jury think, for now, that GZ might be a sympathetic guy who had consistent statements, blah, blah, blah. Then pull that rug out from under them. If you can get an impartial audience to that moment of “Oh, NOW I see!” It’s more powerful and convincing than a frontal assault type presentation. (I used to teach this strategy in classes dealing with persuasion.)
Yes. You use a similar technique in fiction.
The smart married couples use that too. 🙂
Yep. You can use it on your kids too!
The dog, yes. But, the cat won’t buy it.
I understand how effective it will be to destroy their credibility but cops still are authority figures and letting them say that GZ had no inconsistencies could be hard to un-ring
At this point it seems that the state is essentially throwing away the video evidence of his lies
Yes, I can think of a lot of challenges.
to me this is a disaster
they had George dead to rights lying on tape and they let the two detectives patch it up and clean up his lies
I mean O’Mara practically said that his inconsistencies were a sign of his honesties and Serino agreed, WTF?!!!
I’m tired of giving BDLR the benefit of the doubt. Serino is the perfect person to discuss the timeline and BDLR doesnt do it. Then he allows Omara to run out the clock on his witness.
I have to agree, in all honesty. I don’t see the strategy here. I hope they prove me wrong.
If they admit to small differences in wording being “normal”, they save Rachel Jeantel’s testimony as to Trayvon’s last words. They can still argue degree and importance of inconsistencies in the remainder of z’s testimony.
b shyster thinks this is foggaggges hailmary pass an he wont take the stand now??????
Beam him up SCOTTY FFS.
traumatic EVENTS ARE BURNED INTO YOUR SOUL.#EVERY FRIGGIN SECOND OF DETAIL.
hmmm…how come dumb West isn’t approaching the bench anymore?
John Goode. Lord he is hanging his defense on a recanted statement.
First they hung their defense on a fictional statement,
then they hung their defense on a recanted statement,
pretty soon they’ll have to just hang the defense.
wow. Come on, dude.
Keeps going to John Goode, it is already said that he did not see head banging.
ugggg, calls witness by first name – RUDE!
He’s the defense witness like all of those sorry ass cops
omara the chalange
A member off E had the audacity to chalange foggagge events
No it didn’t contradict his story
It contradicts the laws of physcics an REALITY.
SERRINO SAID PERHAPS ?????????WTF
What? No moving things around? He added a whole new portion of stumbling, fumbling and swatting flies. That wasn’t clarification of a fact, it materially changed his story, from the T, to another point further south and he STILL didn’t get there!!!
What the HELL is going on?
And he didn’t stumble all the way to where the body actually was. He was still in front of the first house,and Trayvon was found by the third.
Sounds like Rachel is the only witness who’s required to be a “robot” and 100% consistent all the time, right down to crossing all the” T’s” and dotting all the “I’s.” SMDH
Sorry, probably a bit dumb, but what is SMDH ? (Please only give details if it is not the expletive I think it may be!)
Shaking my damn head
Thanks cielo, and what a relief! There is another one I could think of that fits but I wouldn’t like to see it in print here !
Shake my damn head.
Thanks Nef, Cielo reported too… glad it wasn’t something worse I thought it could be !
I hope the jury remembers Rachel’s testimony, while listening to O’Mara explaining that it is to be expected statements may change from one interview to the next.
Isn’t that disgusting how he thinks it is okay for a 28 year old fogen but not a freshly 18 year old young lady?
Yes it is. I just hope the jury notices it too.
MOM calls it the “challenge interview” lol
Serino “..hear that voice in the background ?”
Scream “…I’m begging youuuuu!!!!!”
Fogen “(..blink, blink shift eyes left….shift eyes right)”
Swallow hard Fogen….this is reality.
“spidey sense” I just felt a mass treehouse orgasm… must be far away from me but I can feel it, then all of a sudden silence.
Get the Lysol!
Oh, I see. They are focusing on the first interview. Not the one where Singleton and Serino challenged him
I wonder if O’Mara’s ugly face could have a prejudicial effect on the jury? I’m being serious, the man is butt ugly!
Not to mention the wonderful, charming personality of West.
It does on me; Im checking out. I really cannot listen to his smug, whiney voice…..like a spoiled kid.
damn o’mara, you gotta hardon for spidey sense
Serino is a facscinating guy. There;s nothing easy about what he’s doing here.
I can see an entire program or movie based on him.
Omigod, OM said spidey-sense. Fell right out of the Treehouse.
out of the treehouse and knee deep in the outhouse
Nothing that I can articulate.
not shocked that MOM brought up “job security.”
Did y’all see that look Serino gave regarding the defendant’s claim that one punch knocked him down.
Yes, he clearly didn’t believe GZ’s story.
Did Rene Stutzman see Serino’s look?
somebody with MMA training would have blocked the punch imo
Clearly, anybody who has watched television for even one hour per month since Y2K knows what you do when a thug punches you in the nose. You double up leaning forward and then kick him hard in the nuts. End of fight. Roll the credits.
“at that poinT”
Ah, but this is a ballet, where it behooves cops to recreate a scenario for no arrest or charge until they reached a point in the program where … yes, by georgie, there was a reason to act upon newly surfacing concerns. 😉
Serino is telling the truth, as he knew it at the time.
Haha! Go Serino! That’s retarded,sir. In that shrug.
That is still my favorite moment!
“Why would he do that, Sir? You don’t know him.
That is retarded, Sir!”
Serino didn’t buy the one-punch fall down plan.
He fell as soon as he was hit once.
WTF No lies come to mind? Wow.
Geez, have these guys switched roles? O’Mara wants discrepancies listed? WTH?
ahhhh — ‘i was more focused on identifying the deceased’
There was no conflict between what Zimmerman said in that first interview and what the witnesses had described, was there?
Not at that point, no.
Serino left the door open for Bernie.
He did. I hope Bernie walks through.
I always thought “Murder on the Orient Express” was the dumbest plot– all these by-standers in cahoots, but look at this tragedy, and there they testify one by one, by-standers in cahoots.
Punched me in nose fell down.
its his Dose
As in he is a Dozy k h u n t.
The note foggagge wrote read
Tell him he is a poopiehead an that BLAHCK NIJA was killing me with side walk /dog path /lethal weapon
And I was so scared I nealy shat my pants an I wasn’t wearing diepers yet.
Resolved because Fogen thought SPD was buying his BS.
Det. Serino you wanted Fogen arrested. THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO BRING JUSTICE TO THE MARTIN FAMILY.
So now O’Mara only wants to discuss early evidence
Serino repeats “not at that time”
this is a fucking farce
when will BDLR let loose the dogs of war
Thou thought to dwell,
Till crash! the cruel coulter past
It says he is a poopie head tell him was shitting my pants an nearly needed DIEPERS.
Out thro’ thy cell
OMG with the John Goode.
another thought,why did fogen confront TM,should he not waited for the child to commit a crime? he as the opening Atty said,BECAUSE HE WANTED TO KILL HIM
YAWN I gotta catch some zzzz Boys let me know how you get on finding out who that Dead CHILD isyayn is that the time already
Hey Guy Theres been a lot of brealins in my area
I sqauwt at rent free
An I gotta get up for work
Can I go already?
GZ has no soul which is why he was flat!
stone cold killer
He’s still flat.
stopping the defense from giving their own notes again…
But, he wasn’t flat. He was very animated when he thought his lies were being believed.
Yes he was. He was all super-happy in his reenactment when he thought he had a captive audience.
He also thought he was getting away with it.
Ha! he just said animated
Hand gestures, enthusiasm, bounding up the stairs at SPD– as if he were thinking,”They love me! They really love me!”
Flat affect after having had to shoot somebody–insert that into the discussion.
I don’t don’t think all this emphasis on flat affect is going to go well for Zimmerman. Either he doesn’t care or he is in denial of what just happened. Neither one shows a lack of animosity as a motivator for what he did.
Again, someone explain to me how he saw a photo that had been taken by Waggener when it allegedly had not been found at that time? Remember this was only 4 3/4 hours after the murder! Or is my memory wrong as to when this photo was supposedly found on Waggner’s phone?
You are correct. My impression is they are speaking of later. O’Mara did state that Serino did not see the injuries “live” and fogen had been cleaned by the time he saw him.
No the line of questioning at this point of testimony was what he knew at the time of his first interview with the Fogdoit, not what he learned at a later time…. Something does not jive with his comment, did they actually have access to the photo much earlier than we have been told and does that explain why it might have changed?
Uncaring about the deceased. Got to work, school blah blah blah.
The state should object. Neither Serino nor O’Mara are psychologists.
I didn’t hear Zimmerman ask anything about Trayvon Martin. He didn’t ask his age. Who his parents were. Nothing.
OM is trying to excuse Fogen’s sociopathic behavior as traumatization. Where’s Malisha!!?
even pulse…throw that out the window
honest ansewer he didn’t know him.
No he is not a CAVALEIR he is a ROUNDHEAD
YOU MORON OMARA.
He can skip class for skipping dead CHILD.
It does seem ODD!
Yay! Serino is not falling into the trap.
He didn’t show the slightest concern for Trayvon Martin. That was cavalier.
Flat affect despite the fear that he had supposedly experienced–don’t think this is going as well as O’Mara would have liked.
Does O’Mara think he is going to change the outcome of this trial if he keeps using that pic over and over?? Serino already called his injuries “minor”
Now Serino is a psychologist
and PA Folgate is a nuero-trauma surgeon!
and georgie wants to be a police officer when he grows up
B SHYSTER thinks this is all gravy for the defence.
Cant believe I used to respect this guy opinion dureing CAYLEES MURDER……
Ahahaha he can’t show the pic for the jury.
oh goody! another chance to show o’mara’s favorite pictures!
Fogen didn’t “have to shoot” anybody.
BDLR already knows these rent a cops want to keep their jobs and asked them very few questions. But really BDLR, the cop said one of the reasons he showed Zimmerman Martin’s pic is to show how skinny Martin was WHAT WAS THE OTHER REASON???
Here’s O’Mara parading around the fake photo with no blood coming out of the nose again.
So sick of those 2 lonely pictures.
O’Mara misses a chance to make himself look like a fool with that fake ass photoshopped pic.
Nightmares aside (which I doubt), may Fogen suffer sleep deprivation the rest of his miserable life as he looks over his shoulder fearing trouble.
I hear, in prison, one must grow eyes in the back of their heads and never, ever, drop the soap.
Channel 9 guy says
that the state screwed up by allowing the cops to say they “Didn’t note any inconsistencies.”
how had he seen the picture that Waggener had taken? I thought it was not discovered at that point? Problem?
One more time–let’s show the bloody picture. Even though Serino says he’d seen. Don’t need to wave it around yet again.
Damn. I have to go back to work.
As the defense, why would you ask an investigator if GZ was looking cagey or trying to dogde your questions when he could possibly say yes. M’OM must’ve asked that question knowing full well Serino would say no ahead of time.
fellow officers? he is not a cop.
Not Cagey straight forward but an alternate universe type of straight forward .
He showed a ull affect because he is always flat an emotionless no bigggie
Just offed a Blahch CHILD.!
A disposable thug, he figured.
He appeared to be lacking. Yes he is lacking, common sense, decency and humanity.
@YAHTC…..I saw my mountainside zimbot at the post office this morning….didn’t discus the case…..Talked about the fires……
I was informed that the fires were started by “terrorists”…….
“You know they said they plan to destroy this country….this is one of the ways they’re doing it”
Typical zidiot mentality……
Sounds like Fox News. Kill off all the firemen then they won’t have any to respond to the bombs, that’s the plan.
Hmm, the terrorists have a terrible lightning machine?
We did have an arsonist running around last summer……The “Springer” fire (4,500 acres)…about 8 mile south of me was started by assholes shooting at a propane tank…..I don’t think they were terrorists…..just assholes with guns……….Maybe friends of fogen?
ha ha ha
this would be totally funny if it was not so scary
If man hadn’t mastered fire MPAT pall we would all still be at the zimmnitz level without technology an not comunicateing THUS
Over the pond on a COMPUTER
On the bright side we wouldn’t have guns but khuntz like foggagge can always find a weapon to inflict hate hurt an selfimposed superiority.
Wow — wasn’t the fire started by the pBa-lack Mob?
We can hear in the interview that Zimmerman was not being honest.
He had no evidence that it did not match up? What about blood on his hands?
This defense is a puff of smoke!
“I had none AT THAT TIME.” Stepped in it.
The transcript to the grilling they gave him about the NEN call is on Huff Po. I can’t believe he wasn’t arrested after this. I think he’s screwed after this interrogation.
SIDE BAR FOFFAGGE WISHES THE HAD SIDE BOT THE SIDEBARS SO HE COULD SNACK WHILST LAWERS YACKED.
o’mara tripping into the trap…
silly but,i go back to the fact,that TM had NO flashlight,could not go looking for fatass,or open windows garages etc…He could only go back home,as he KNEW the way home. sad he never got there
Some puppy love between the two kids behind Sybrina and Tracy. Cute.
ha ha I noticed it too
i think the tape speak for itself.. o’mara trying to get into police tactics.. i think that those tapes exposed zimmerman
Georgie Porky looks scared.
Why does OM keep pushing John Goode into the dialogue?
Well, he’s the best that they have.
BDLR caught O’Mara earlier trying to insert the claim that Goode saw head slamming (he specifically denied having seen this)–objected and O’Mara had to reword the question.
MOM trying to unring the bell of “i was going in the same direction.” Don’t think it will work.
Does anyone in CAC family work? Robbie was in front of the cameras everyday right up to the trial and now the sister is sitting in court each day.
No, they’re all in danger and can’t show their faces. LOL. Er, no one wants to hire them.
All these pigs are slopping at the trough of defense fund donations. They are likely living higher on the hog than their donors.
Omara is wandering aimlessly it seems
Not to me. He is getting them to describe their techniques and dropping in little suggestions as he goes along. He is slicker than ice in March.
in without substance
he looks like a ficking car salesman up there
and I am trying to be unbiased
who the fuck cares whether Zimmerman was polite at the police station
don’t we all know the sheep will be nice in the lion’s den?
come the fuck on
he is insulting the jury
FYI the link my sister uses to watch the trial she uses Google Chrome but the link should work on any browser http://www.cbsnews.com/2718-201_162-1950/cbs-news-live-video/?tag=custom . Just incase your reg feed goes out.
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Pristine witnesses. One was standing inside the crime scene.
O’Mara is pushing two things forward–Zim cooperated and Zim exhibited no anger or animosity towards Trayvon.
Pushing back on the state’s case that Zim was angry and profiled Trayvon, but also makes me wonder if they are worried about relying on the forensics and how they compare to Zim’s narrative.
How can CAC show animosity toward a dead person?
Exactly, and someone he didn’t know but killed anyway.
Oh, reduce the sentence please my client was tyring to be nice?
He was so NICE and cooperative and cooperative and cpmpliant . . . except for that one little incident of chasing down and murdering the unarmed kid . . . but, y’know ALL the OTHER time he was so NICE!
I wish the prosecution would have asked the NEN dispatch person what prompted him to ask Zimmerman if he was following the kid. I’m guessing as soon as the guy heard the car door open and then Zimmerman huffing and puffing he had a pretty good premonition that Zimmerman was pursing the kid.
I think they did ask that question. The dispatcher recalled the heavy breathing and wind or am I making something up?
I think on the call you can hear the [ding, ding, ding] of the truck door opening (meaning either the lights are on or the truck is shut off with the keys in ignition).
I thought he asked right after that.
So what he wanted to answer questions?! He thought he was talking to his colleagues. He thought people were going to cover for him.
Yes. he is a legend in his own mind
So what he cooperated. What does it matter, he thought he could get away with it, by just saying self defense.
AAHHHG. this upsets me. I can’t stand when the defense tries to use the nen call operator saying, “what’s he doing now” as a direction to follow. George said he could see Trayvon; it’s reasonable to then ask, what’s he doing?
The operator was asking because George could already see Trayvon.
How does that translate to, “George, go follow”?
you know if Fogen is that stupid, mentally challenged that he thinks what is the address you are calling from means goes chase the guy then he should NOT be able to carry a firearm.
Exactly. He thinks we are stupid and will buy his b.s.
sorry….didn’t mean to mention his name.
It doesn’t. Even if Sean had told Fogen to follow, that would not absolve Fogen of responsibility for killing Trayvon Martin; it would simply make Sean another defendant in the civil suit that followed the criminal proceeding! But it didn’t happen.
Serino is playing as low key as he can. Not sure why, but he’s truying to be less important than he is, it seems to me.
Willis , coming off like a hot shot (or a hot shit) does not necessarily play well with jurors, especially women.
As he should be.
They still trying to put in instructions to the jury.
I can only assume that they are giving the defense rope
LOL – OM just said Singleton didn’t have all Serino’s info, and Serino agreed, effectively showing why Singleton might not find Fogen’s story suspicious.
I don’t think it was her job to determine what was suspicious–just to gather the statement.
she had virtually no information. when asked about comparing consistencies at that time, all she could compare was gz’s oral statement to her and his written one.
And, she had never seen his written statement before reading it in court today.
MOM had better be careful here. He’s in dangerous water.
very dangerous. and MOM many not really know it at all.
I think BDLR is giving him rope
I have a feeling he will take it
Why didn’t BDLR ask about the position of Trayvon’s arms and the circling discrepancy? Or did I miss something?
Maybe he’s saving it for fogen.
guy stated in his opening that they would prove that to be impossible – serino is not the proof, likely they have it from another source.
One more question Professor:
O’Mara mentioned the methodology of the case. Serino acknowledged that he hadn’t given testimony regarding the methodology. Where was MOM going with that?
O’Mara said “various interviews” LOL
John Goode, oh Lord. Dragging in lies.
Why so quick to let bernie off of direct?
this is disturbing to my spider sense.
He’s not relying on the cops themselves to put all the pieces together. Can’t see the overall shape of his plan yet. Maybe it all comes down to the closing. (???)
But he didn’t get into the missing 2-4 minutes, and he didn’t go over the missing 84 seconds on that tape. I would prefer to see him really digging in here and making sure the jury sees what he wants them to see. O’Mara seems good at this. BDLR, not so much.
Maybe he has no plan and the prosecutors office is just “pacifying” the angry mob. Im very disappointed.
Bernie didn’t ask him about the capias drafts and request? To establish that he didn’t find fogen’s story credible?
Why do you think the prosecution didn’t ask many questions of Serino?
I know you didn’t ask me but my guess is they are waiting to hear what the defense asks and will address those on cross. The tapes work in the state’s favor…no need to add to that. Let the defense ask what they think is important and then redirect.
I see. That was my suspicion, but I was wondering if I was missing something.
keeping in mind serino has to go back to work at that same shoddy department, he may not be eager to cooperate w state.
could be some inter-deapartmental rivalry too.
One wonders if the state treated serino how he should have been treated, with respeet for what he accomplished. If they “high-hatted” him they may be sorry. Personal honor is at stake here.
Bernie keeps it simple and gets to the point.
Where is he going with this?
There is nothing crypto can do to un-do the damage of those tapes! The jury is finally seeing the real truth
IDK, but I don’t like it. Those who have followed the case have had a over a year to analyse the tapes and find and comment, and re-comment, every single discrepancy. Will the jury be able to or want to or have the time to do the same?
also seems as if state attorney office has a deal to not ask much of serino
wait, that’s it?
what is the state doing? what do they have up their sleeve?
MOM going to try and get Serino to put blame elsewhere.
Oh, thank heavens! Not Skeletor!
O’Mara’s pissed, it seems…
Oh, I wish I would have caught that.
O’Mara probably is arguing that the State is overemphasizing the importance of evidence the jury has already heard by summarizing and repeating it.
I think it is about showing a picture of Trayvon from a year or two ago that Serino show gz.
I am incorrect.
He lost the argument.
I initially had concerns about Bernie’s competence too, wondering if he had enough fight. But now I see his style is to lay the foundation until a blind person could see, and then BAM let the evidence speak for itself. I wonder if we even NEED any more of this trial now!
He’s spooning it out bit by bit.
He’s being honored in D.C. on July 24 for his overall body of excellence in his work. This is not his first trial.
Fogen “…and when he came over to my car he put his hand in his waistband….”
Serino “…yeah, he had his hand on his ice tea”
Fogen “(blank expression)”
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Juror E6 speaks up again in court. Says interviews are hard to understand.
Juror E6 speaks up again in court. Says interviews are hard to understand.
Judge says jury will be able to take recordings to deliberations.
I sure hope the prosecution has something up their sleeve and is going somewhere playing all of the statements, because, IMBW, but BDLR doesn’t look like he got much out of Singleton while MOM seemed to not do to badly, and with Serino doesn’t look like he’s going into it much in depth either.
She will be back though. She left with the instruction she will be recalled
He let Singleton’s questions in the interview do the talking.
Just read your comment about “good” cop, bad “cop” above and I think I get you. But won’t they have to call back Singleton for the third tape, otherwise relying just on the jury listening to it and for them to put two and two together is a big risk, or not ? And are tapes not heard in court still given to the jury ?
i doubt that any more tapes, interviews, defendant statements will be entered. the state won’t want to and the defense cannot.
Then I am not sure I understand what whonoze meant, if they don’t play the third interview with Singleton where she turns “bad cop”, and the jury don’t get a copy of it to listen to it either. Bit lost here!
The tapes and interviews are self-explanatory.
Oh, I missed it, what’s the sidebar about, an objection to a question or objection to evidence?
What is he objecting to?
Intentionally or not, Doris Singleton just good-cop/bad-copped the jury.
Go back to her testimony today. BDLR ONLY asked her about GZ’s first two statements. BERNIE elicited that she was sympathetic to GZ at that time with the Cross thing. MOM’s cross could only bring out that she found no inconsitencies BETWEEN THOSE FIRST TWO STATEMENTS. Bernie DIDN’T ask her about inconsistencies between the statements and the NEN call, or between the statements and Lauer’s 911 call.
Now, if the jury is paying attention, they will realize that DORIS (the Good Cop) later listened to the police calls and developed some BIG concerns about GZ’s veracity, and turned into the Bad Cop, challenging GZ on some of his most obvious BS: so you wanted to get an address AFTER you said ‘Shit, he’s running!’?
She’s still under subpoena and I think the state will bring her back. They’re feeding the jury in chronological teaspoons.
Unfortunately as is often the case, the good guys have little power in the things of most importance..
Fogen is disgusting. I can not stand to see his face.
same here. I try not to watch, just listen.
The S & S cop team knew fogen was lying, made sure to capture ALL his bullshit on record, & were the good guys from the start.
Back in session
George Zimmerman murdered an unarmed kid & Bill Lee & SPD tried to feed the public some bs story. Then here comes Don West with Trayvon Martin armed with the freaking sidewalk. Just damn!
has a recording of the interrogation if you missed it…
Right in front of 1460? BINGO! Serino proves that the address was front and center, and easily read from the street.
Is that the “extended play” version that we heard today?
Catch the tone of “He stopped [voice goes up in alarm] and he … he like looked around”
As if he’s king of thuggifying his own voice when he says the three syllables “looked around” — doing a kind of impersonation of a thug. As if the “looking around” offended him.
Yup, it used to be that a pBa-lack man looking at a white woman was a crime. Now a pBa-lack kid looking AROUND in a neighborhood is a crime. Yup.
Oops! Did GZ see the tarp of Trayvon’s body?
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Idiot Bill S. thinks the prosecution was dumb to play the videos.
Because he’s not smart enough to get the significance. He’s the one that made the comment that footinmouth doesn’t have to take the stand now. He never had to take the stand. He has the right, but not the ability, to remain silent.
In my opinion, he HAS to take the stand now in an attempt to explain his many versions.
He can remain silent.
After all when [he claims] Trayvon asked him, “What’s your fuckin’ problem Homie,” he could have said, “I’m with the NW and I wonder why you’re walking too slowly and looking to be up to no good,” but he didn’t
He “didn’t want to confront him.”
So now maybe he doesn’t want to “confront” the jury with his version of the events. See? Yeah, that works, sure.
Just how crucial was the interrogation recording here?
VERY. it establishes GZ is lying to police, a crime in and of itself. THis is cornerstone stuff.
textbook detective work too.
It only clinched the states case with a nice big bow!
I think it was very crucial. The detective, when asked, didn’t think that the perp’s “injuries” were major. He’s following this
“criminal” into the dark anyway, but want’s us to believe that he didn’t have his firearm drawn. He doesn’t recognize his own so-called screams on the tape.
Please don’t let Don cross examine!
oh my, I don’t think i want to hear either of them…mom’s clipped ok.’s..or w’s pause, pause, water slurp…
lol. they are annoying. But I’d rather have O’Mara than West. I’m surprised footinmouth hasn’t tried to represent himself. He’s that smart you know…..(sarcasm)
they need to get someone Zimmerman’s size at the time and Trayvon’s size and have the Trayvon model on top of the Zimmerman model. This will allow the jury to see that there was no way Trayvon could have seen the man’s firearm holstered on his hip. The kid would have had to be straddling the perps knee caps in order to see his weapon.
Sorry I am not watching. I just get upset so I am staying abreast of the action on the blog.
I turn the sound down when it comes to that poor boy pleading and begging for his life. To date, I have only heard the very beginning and that is all.
I’m thinking he’s not in his uniform to either hide the fact that he’s no longer a detective, or he just simply plans on telling the truth with the expected end result of losing his job. I suspect the former is true because my faith in anyone in the SPD is suspect.
they can’t fire him for telling the truth. But they can invent a reason, that’s for sure. His best protection is to tell the WHOLE truth and nothing but, and let people know what happened in the investigation.
But the state won’t ask him about insitutional bias and open corruption in the police department. He’s on his own and has to make up his own mind as to what matters most.
I hope he is a good man. I think he is.
I get the feeling that he is too. He’s not coming off at all like Singleton.
Well, America has finally heard audio #3 2/29/13!
the JURY has heard it. that’s what counts. “America” has it’s collective head up it’s rear end usually and can’t make heads or tails of all the facts, nor should they be charged with that task. That is what a jury does, assuming the case ever makes it to trial like this one (barely) did.
I know. Sometimes I forget that just because I’ve heard it (many time) that everyone else has too. I figure since I’ve been following this every day for over a year, everyone else has too.
well – i would contend that if the state is going so far as to enter all of this hearsay evidence that they did not have to, they must have pretty serious proof that refutes all of it.
No talking head YET I’ve seen points out that George left out the running away every time he told the tale.
Well, at least Tony Pipitone is noticing and tweeting some of the inconsistencies! 🙂
fortunatley this case is tried by a jury and a judge and not some twits.
Right. I’m not paying attention to them at all. I’m paying attention to the evidence and the testimony.
I just looked at them. He’s actually doing a good job.
Awesome job. I retweeted quite a few.
And here I thought that was an encouraging development! Mostly I look to see if Pipitone writes any tweets about juror activity, since we can’t see them. But I don’t see any of those type tweets yet today.
Fogen’s a liar. How are you going to follow someone in the dark that you stated acted like he was reaching for something in his waistband? You say that you followed someone who you thought was a criminal into the dark without your weapon drawn? I think you are a liar.
I agree and how did he know he was reaching in his waistband since it was so dark outside?
Charles Blow tweets that talking heads are saying today’s testimony looks good for the defense, then Mr. Blow says he “wonders if they are looking at the same trial”….I agree exactly what are they looking at.
I am wondering the same thing.
that was earlier. tweets are stupid. period.
I still think they are just making sure their corporations aren’t sued like nbc. They are all being very, very careful. They don’t make much sense, but I guess that’s not a big deal to them.
They have been saying that shit since the trial started. They could see Fogen murder Trayvon on video and they would still rationalize it. F**k the media, we know he killed that child in cold blood and soon the world will know it too!
It will help spread the rumor that Fogen did not get a fair trial and that he was railroaded and that the jury convicted because the six white women were afraid of the pBa-lack Mob.
If we didn’t have racist media we wouldn’t have a racist nation.
They are spinning the whole – fogen gets to lay out his story in a narrative style without taking the stand thing. They are totally disregarding the CONTENT of the statements.
It’s one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever seen! I’m so glad the jury is sequestered.
Within the month gz will not have to worry about where the rent money will come from.
But Shellie’s gonna have to get a job–or move back in with mom and dad.
Depending on outcome of her perjury trial, SheLie may get some free room and board, too.
She can stay with Taafe.
Not for the next few decades …
Recess until 4:25 pm EDT
Loving how Bernie is using the time outs/recesses… making sure the jury is thinking about the state’s case and the evidence presented to them/jury while they are out… instead of having hours of the defenses “circular logic” they/defense engraved in their brains.. its almost seems like brain washing to me.. just saying..
I love when Bernie looks at the Jury lik “uh huh”, “y’all believe this shit”
it cracks me up
he doesn’t seem to particularly like coercing people
Bernie just took a look at the jury after the “doesn’t even sound like me” quote from Fogen.
just commented on that
he is not particularly cryptic with that
‘Tis one fine afternoon …
Bernie does that a lot, I’ve noticed. He shoots glances at the jury after eliciting certain facts from witnesses.
Zimmerman’s looking like how much longer before this day ends.
He’ll have to get over it. Serino’s going to be up there for a while, dealing wiht all the inconsistencies. I wonder who’s going to do cross examination. I don’t see him folding, and I don’t think Serino will “lean” fogen’s way, given his answer of to the “minor injuries” issue.
I want to see how all these pro-fogen announcers spin this.
Could be wrong but I’m betting it’s MOM
Tick . . . tock.
damn I need a recess too! BRB
Lets hope Serino backs up everything he’s saying here. Like singlton, he has to go to work every day at the SPD< a place rife with insitutionalized intolerance where the CHEIF OF POLICE wanted to let this liar go free.
I dont envy his position here, but if he tells the truth and the whole truth and nothing but the truth he can at least hold his head up high.
And he knows he stands talk and strong for Travon, and for justice.
Is that why he was demoted. I missed the whole thing with the chief and Serino getting demoted. Again, out of the country.
long story. Cheif was fired. Serino claims he requested patrol duty, Unknown and no federal investigation happened.
I thought that the FBI investigation was ongoing. I thought that this was the reason that O’Mara could not get from them everything that he wanted them to give him.
ongoing — yet may be merely cosmetic, an orchestrated fake-out
Serino had recommended charges – first murder 2, later manslaughter. But the SPD hire-ups and the DA’s office weren’t going to have anything to do with charges. Serino ticked them off when he put his recommendation in the file (I believe that one was manslaughter).
Eventually, the local DA “recused himself” and the Governor appointed the DA from Jacksonville to take over the case.
I think there is a lot of resentment in Seminole County about an “outside” DA trying this case.
And I sense that Bernie’s been getting some “home cooking” dished out to him down in Seminole County. It’s not uncommon for that to happen when lawyers handle cases outside of their usual locations … at least I’ve seen it in NC.
Wow! I see. Thanks for the summary.
I think it was actually somewhat higher up than a DA, was it not? I thought that Wolfinger was with the state.
Wolfinger was the equivalent in Seminole Count to Angela Corey in Duval County. Elected positions.
I think they are called SAs in Florida. I’m just accustomed to calling them “DAs.” But I believe they’re roughly the same things, just some differences between states.
Sereino’s already dealt with a job downgrade.
I think he’ll hold steady … and dish out truth with candor on whatever’s asked.
Neither MOM or West has the skill to shake him … if they attempt to get nasty, he’ll treat them like annoying flies.
He said at the beginning of his testimony that going to patrol was a lateral transfer.
In public agency’s a lateral transfer is being moved into the same classification/compensation/work duties in another division of the same agency.
Serino was demoted to patrol, but with no loss in paygrade….he’s receiving an investigator’s pay, while serving on graveyard shift patrol. It’s sometimes referred to as “Y” rating. He was punished vs terminated because there were no grounds on which termination could be justified.
Now matter how it’s sliced or what it’s called, graveyard shift patrol is a downward move from homicide detective.
Maybe he isn’t in an officer’s uniform because he plans on quitting his job today by letting the truth out.
Or maybe he’s off today or on vacation – I don’t think he’s required to wear his uniform in court.
Very persuasive interview. Again–how could he have smothered you and there is no ceasing of the yells.
Also the confrontation–that doesn’t even sound like me.
Remember Dale Gilbeath at the capias hearing? “We have the body; we have the shell casing, and we have the defendant’s statements.”
yep. this is the cornerstone of the case all along.
Yep–says it all.
To find Fogen guilty, the jury only has these three things to run with. I’m yet holding on…
I remember that!! oh boy!!
fogen looks uncomfortable more blinking…
bye bye gz bye bye
Noticed the murderer is breathing hard very hard…had to cut the sound off could not bear to hear Trayvon’s screams sometimes I can but this is one of those times I can’t.
I feel so sorry for the Fulton’s and Martins.
Sybrina was on edge at listening to the screams over again.
They must haunt her dreams.
The smothering!!! This is a stellar day for the state!
Chris knows that voice wasn’t smothered.
and calls him on it. ANd fogen “doesnt remember”
It is hard to hear Fogen’s response, to the screaming.
fogen is probably confused, how does he does he explain hand over mouth, smothering, but “he” is magically able to scream????
hmmm…maybe the truth is coming out? no smothering?????
“fucking punk can’t get away”
this was a ruse when they took him into the hallway.
george is crying here you can here it.
I’m begging you!!!”
I can hear it even on this crappy audio.
the poor fucking kid died not knowing what the hell he did
If there is a heaven, he knows he did nothing.
it hurts my heart whenever I think that he had to go through that terror
That’s what made me want to see this to the end, for some scrap of justice.
“That doesn’t even sound like me”…….. GOLD
That doesn’t even sound like me! Because it’s not footinmouth
I’m begging you, sounded like an 11yr old.
fuck Nakasone and his machines
no one will ever convince that this was not Trayvon screaming
in fact to even debate it is offensive
“The impression is you’re continuing to look…”
And she said, ‘no significant discrepancies.’ Yeah right!
i think you are missing something — the focus of her testimony was solely on her first interview that we heard then — nothing else.
O’Mara included in his question the interview with Serino, also. She may have misunderstood and thought he was only asking about the first interview but, he did throw that in there.
o’mara can only go over what was presented in direct exam and she cannot testify as to what is in evidence. the serino interview was not in evidence. i did not hear what you are saying. please forgive me, but i think you may be mistaken.
I was not mistaken. It is at point 38:46 on Southerngrl’s copy below.
i’ll check it out — that should have been strictly off the table as a question since it was referring to statements not yet in evidence.
i know she was asked repeatedly about inconsistencies between the oral version she heard and the written statement she read, but never heard reference to a later interview.
my mistake and my apologies – i must have been distracted for a few moments. as far as i understand, BDLR should have objected to that question because it was asking the witness to testify to facts not yet in evidence.
this whole cop testimony today is surreal and i am reviewing it all to try to grasp what the prosecution is attempting to portray here.
No problem. It is all so much to take in, I am pretty sure I missed some too. Another case of wading through the lies and distortions to get to the truth. Apology accepted.
thank you kindly, ma’am.
Singleton and Serino knew damn well fogen lied. THEY would have charged for murder two from the start…. but of course it wasnt their call. Lets see hmmm Whose call was it….?
It’s hard to believe his arrest was put off for 44 days!
they were looking for witnnesses. George KILLED the only good witness to how the pysical altercation began, and lied about the lead-up. If not for the NEN call recording SPD would never have known the kid ran.
And Z probably got more casual/comfortable, whatever. Interesting strategy if that’s what it was…..helped build the picture.
THey didn’t arrest because they meant to let him go. When Lee was wiped out and WOlfinger was marginalized they began to see that it would NOT go away and then they realized the gig might be up. WHy otherwise would the cops feel “betrayed” that the guy was charged?
Fogen is DONE. Tick tock (Racer’s clock) TIME IS OUT.
Oh, there it is. Tell them to call me when they get here.
She calls it following.
singleton ‘and now you want to pretend, er, uh, want us to believe’
Zimmerman is done now. DONE!
oh shit he is running, sounds like you are following him. You want us to believe you needed a flash light to go where you just ran? haha
This fat pig is TOAST!!!! And all the pro-Fogan media can kiss my ass! They’ve lied for a year!! These cops are saying what the crypt keepers have managed to suppress!
I especially like when Serino tells him he did not say punk! It has always sounded like coon to me.
I interpreted that to mean, “Trayvon Martin was not a punk.”
I think his apparent flat affect is from his belief he’s an extension of the police. He talks to them like he’s part of the team.
Below the surface, though, he’s full of anger and rage.
Yes, he resents that no one believes him – sociopathic reaction.
He always has a flat affect unless he is angry. I very much believe he is a sociopath.
elle, great and accurate diagnosis. Count me in. I’d bet the farm and the whole lower 40 on that one: psychopath.
I needed light scared of the dark scared of the BLAHCK.
Serino reminds me of that guy who played Carla’s husband on Cheers!
Dan Hedaya. I dunno. I see him more as Tom Sizemore.
ha ha ha
They cut the point where Singleton says it sounds like you are going after him since he said to meet the police when they get there.
i heard it
the wind noise coincides with the time it takes to reach the T< not RVC at a fast walk/jog and not a run. A fat boy jog.
will say this — am not thrilled with singleton on re-direct, thought her answers on cross exam were fair enough. in original interviews though, she was doing her damn job and doing it well.
if have to believe there is a political situation within the department such that she is in CYA mode.
agree. there is more here than we will ever know. She has to work there, wants to love there and has to put up w coworkers and bosses.
wants to live there – maybe is buying a house or has a house that she cannot sell, more likely.
exactly – things we will never know, but that woman has kids to feed too.
Yes, … her job may safe enough based on her performance, but some of her buddies are in jeopardy of losing theirs. Promotions, commendations, raises are all likely out the window for a good long while.
Plus if applying for a job anywhere else, can you imagine the snickers with Sanford PD on resume?
May explain her apparent hostility.
She’s in “Don’t get demoted” mode.
I agree with you guys, I think she is playing it safe and not wanting anything to happen to her as far as her job goes. She knows that the taped interview will speak for itself. I kinda feel sorry for them. Seems her and Serino were doing their job. I think they both have been bullied.
because I don’t know where I’ll be
@rhugheswftv says three jurors have hands over mouth while this is playing
Like they’re aghast or like they’re yawning?
Like “Oh no!” or hmmmm? I sure wish I could see them.
i hope it is dawning on them this case was a horrific stalking and murder of a teen.
He is beating shit out of his flash light.
CAC and his CACLegal Klan will be filing suit against the flashlight. (And it won’t be racially motivated — CAC has many pBa-lack flashlights).
Oh here we go – just have them call me is coming up!
SIngleton calling him out on the reason he got out of the car. And he’s caught him on the “oh shit hes running” a detail George left out of EVERY ACCOUNT he presented to the cops.
He just racked his weapon and the round got jammed on the feed ramp. That’s why you hear the tapping.
impossible to prove. tapping on the flashlight is more likely.
Well get Z’s model flashlight and duplicate the 3 clicks with any method and then the continued tapping and I’ll send you $500. Doesn’t have to be the exact same audio, just similar.
the tapping is rhythmic like knocking on a door…..tapping a light or gun i would try one or 2 taps first…..but that is just me…..and almost certain the police tested the light in front of fogen and it worked.
This gun did not need to be racked — it was carried with one in the chamber.
More likely tapping the flashlight.
I don’t accept the SPD report as fact.
@leroy- that particular gun he didn’t need to rack it…it was ready to shoot with bullet in the chamber.
Serino confronts him with the wacky timeframe when Zim says he was headed back to the truck.
He was NOT on RVC by then, he was at the T, banging on his flashlight.
beautiful. keep playing that for the jury!
No wind when walking
Tracy looks sharp today
I like that all gray look is necessary
Singleton nailed him good there.
He should not have been able to walk out of that interview without having posted bail.
A fraction of a second after he gets out. This jury better see the lies!