Some of you may have wondered why I did not publish a new article today.
I was working on a complaint today against a mentally disturbed right-wing GZ supporter and cyber-stalker obsessed with destroying my good name and reputation. When I ignored him, he went after Crane-Station. You may have seen her angry response in comments this afternoon.
Keep in mind that wordpress is notoriously reluctant to get involved in disputes regarding whether someone libeled someone else and they make that clear in their Terms of Service.
I posted the following complaint at 3 pm this afternoon with wordpress:
1. My true name is Frederick Leatherman.
2. I am well known and respected in the criminal defense community, particularly in Washington State where I practiced criminal law for 30 years. I specialized in death-penalty defense and forensics, especially DNA testing. During that time, I also served as a forensic and DNA consultant. For example, I was a consultant to Barry Scheck and Peter Neufeld in the OJ Simpson case. I also am a former law professor. Now I am retired and operating my blog full time deriving an income flow from my work.
3. My wordpress hosted website is frederickleatherman.com
4. My personal and professional name is incorporated into my website name. I own this domain name.
5. My name and the excellent professional reputation that goes with it is my trademark.
6. I had 441,000 visits to my website in 2012.
7. Most of the visitors who came to my website, got there by entering my name into a search engine.
8. The name of this website that I am complaining about is:
http://fredleathermanlies.wordpress.com/
9. The person who operates this website is intentionally using my personal, professional and domain name and trademark in his website name to attract search engine attention to his site.
10. This conduct constitutes trademark and possibly copyright infringement.
11. The person who operates this website is a cyber stalker obsessed with destroying my professional reputation by a persistent and ongoing pattern of willfully and intentionally publishing false and defamatory information about me on this site.
12. He began doing this approximately 10 months ago at this wordpress site:
http://stillselfdefensestillnotguilty.wordpress.com/
13. Since he did not get any traffic at his site and no one commented, he created this site including my name in the name of the website in order to leach off my audience.
14. I understand your reluctance to deal with free speech issues, however, this person is not only defaming me, he’s using my personal and professional name to do so.
15. No one should be permitted to use part of an existing website’s name to draw traffic to their own website, particularly when the part they use is the owner’s personal and professional name and trademark.
16. Trademark and/or copyright infringement constitutes a violation of your Terms of Service.
Therefore, given the egregious nature of this person’s behavior, I respectfully request you close down both sites and ban him from using word press.
In the alternative, I respectfully request you close down this site and ban him from creating a new wordpress site that contains my name or any part of it.
Signed electronically: Frederick Leatherman
I received the following prompt response at 4:19 pm from wordpress:
Hi there,
Thank you for the report, it is very appreciated.
The reported site has been suspended from WordPress.com.
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Terms of Service
WordPress.com
I have provided law enforcement with details and the cyberstalker’s true name and address.
It couldn’t have happened to a more deserving sicko. I’m glad you were able to get rid of that nut.
None other than David Piercy! Why am I NOT suprised. He lives for this stuff – he’s all over the net with a ton of social media accounts, even one’s that nobody uses. Glad you put him his place!
Exactly who I had in my mind. Nasty vile sick person
I will neither confirm nor deny the identity of the person involved.
I do not hate this person and I am not out for revenge.
Boundaries must be respected and this person went too far.
That is why I took action and that is why I provided the person’s name and address to law enforcement.
I would like to see this person get some psychological help.
Professor, he has even posted on HP using that name. people such as this person, are only out for some kind of an altercation and, they are also very dangerous to us all. we here at your site will always have your back as well as Crane-Station’s. there is no sense in this person acting in such a vile manner. this is why I will be glad when this case has been tried and, Fogen is convicted so these people can crawl back under their rocks!
Whoa! Bravo, Bravo!!!
Good work Mr. Leatherman! I’m so happy for you and Crane. It’s a good thing for all of us to know WordPress responded to your complaint. I hope this sends a message to all cyberstalkers who think its alright to slander someone’s good name.
Exactly who I was thinking of.
PS – I don’t know what his deal is. :]
Two Sides- he must be on drugs or something…
Sent from my iPod
Yeah, those azzholes usually get away, cielo.
Two Sides- not this time!
Sent from my iPod
~^..^~ Way to go, Professor! In The absence of laws governing Internet speech, sites should at least enforce their Terms of Service. Good riddance to bad rubbish!
WOW! That’s great, You got him !
I am sorry you both have been harassed like that– for 10 months!– as your gracious presence on your own blog gave no clue. May it not ever recommence.
If someone is going through that much trouble to assisinate your character it means you are doing a great job. I’ve learned a lot from your blogs professor. I always look forward to the next one
Good going! I don’t know the background/history of this, and had no idea someone was doing this on WordPress (I’m only aware of the silly imposters on HuffPo who don’t deserve recognition). Anyway, I’m glad you dispatched this nutter so efficiently.
I am glad you took such action. They will never get us to see the murderer’s point of view
Good for you Professor…hopefully law enforcement will catch this rogue.As someone above wrote, this person does not like the fact that you do so well. Keep up the good work.
I’m sorry you were subjected to both harssment and denigration of your good name and reputation. Be assured, this information will be published on various sites.
He does that to everyone. They tried impersonating me on facebook too.
I am so glad that you have gotten a positive response from wordpress and also that they have forwarded necessary name to the authorities. I’m sure you will follow through with prosecuting him to the fullest extent of the law. I too have fallen prey to his malicious Internet bullying, I am so glad that he’ll be getting his just dessert. I do enjoy reading your insightful, matter of fact blogs.
Ditto! Good Job Professor!
I hope that word press decides to permanently delete it and not just suspend it. Since they suspended so quickly, they saw something that might help them decide that those sites are permanently banned.
@Prof. WOW! I walk away from the computer for several hours and return to find that I missed the war.
Way to go word press!
Great job, Professor!
Great job Profesor!
Thank you for going forward with reporting him/her. Is there anything you can do on Huff Post? *They* continue to open new accounts multiple times a day pretending to be you . I’ll be happy to give you names (I’ve been keeping a list) if you wish.
Also thank you for the wonderful service you’re providing by sharing your vast knowledge.
I have decided to ignore their games since it’s apparent that I am not involved.
Actually, I could not be involved even if I wanted to be because Huff Po banned me years ago, so I can’t do anything over there.
Huff Po apparently could not care less. If anything, they support it because they ignored my complaint and request to stop it.
I couldn’t agree with you more because, HP even though they have moderators, some comments that should never see the light of day are still being posted. some of the Fogen faithful have posted some pretty vile and uncalled for comments on that site.
they have also banned my account and, I will never attempt to start up another one not ever. I never threatened anybody there and, that is what baffles me. those who support this murderer, are the ones having those who support Trayvon and his family banned, when they themselves are the problem on that site.
Vile disgusting liars with a vulgar sense of humor.
I’ll just keep flagging and reporting.
What about those who use your photo Professor?
Photos are copyrighted. Nobody has a right to steal your image.
I objected.
Huff Po ignored me.
Professor,
Wasn’t Andrew Breitbardt Ms Huffington’s partner when huff-poo launched ?
It was obvious the direction it would go when AOL purchased the site nearly 2 years ago…
I refer to it as The Huffingtontreehouse these days
I don’t know about partner, but I recall reading somewhere that he was going to be a regular contributor at the site.
Columnist may not be the right word, but that’s basically what I understood he would be doing — writing a regular column.
This was around the time that she sold the site to AOL.
I don’t know if he ever produced an article because he died of a heart attack not long after that.
I will bet that the person behind the Huff Post slandercampaign is either the same or associated with the person whose defamatory and unlawful operations were just shut down at WordPress, but even if it is a different person, this is a very big win, a very big sign, and a monumental victory. Congratulations, Professor! Congratulations, Crane-Station! Good work and good works.
About the person getting the help he needs, I am no professional but I will guess, with my personal experience and my open eyes, that there is really no help available to this person. I don’t think that kind of irrational hatred is a neurosis or a psychosis; I think it is a gross and immutable personality disorder that is often described as sociopathy, and I doubt that there is a way to ameliorate it, treat it, or decrease the person’s infantile rage and hostility. We need to attend to the care and feeding of the rest of us. Which is what we have been doing on this blog, and I am so grateful for it and admiring of it. I wish I could support it more financially. One day perhaps I will be able to do so.
I’m thinking the person on HuffPo has “Aja” or “Maged” in their history.
On an earlier post by the SSDSNG moron, IT stated that IT knew who was impersonating the Prof on HP. They are all sloshing around in the same cesspool together.
I am celebrating with all of you! People can be so hateful!!!
I have to say that it is validation where the Zimmerman Family is concerned….. The vile person that has been intent on harming our dear professor and his family is one of Booby Juniors, and members of the nuthouses heroes! A fact that isn’t lost on those of us that have been watching Booby tweet his baby brother into infamy as the racist murderer that we already know him to be! Or watched as an entire website has attacked and lied and defamed a child and his family in the name of a racist jerk!
Bravo Professor on your victory….. I hope that this person will pay a hefty consequence for his poor choices and I hope those that hail him as a hero have taken note that just because you THINK you are invisible behind a computer screen and a keyboard….. in fact when you cross the line you CAN and WILL be held accountable!!!!
hoffstyle71 who had the malicious sites, posts on the treeslum. He began his critical, dishonest filth about pro-justice for Trayvon bloggers over there along with AlexandraM.
This is apparently the same sick person. He posted a “disclaimer” on this site. There’s a Dec. 6th post that features myself and the professor. Gee! I’m honored.
http://www.re-newsit.com/p/disclaimer.html
that person is sick in the head. but whoever *anonymous* is really put him in their place tho!! did you see that?
shannon…….Where did you see the comment from the group *anonymous*? I think of them as cyber-saints…….
No, I didn’t. When I went to that site, there were no comments there. Does that mean I have to go back? LOL!!!
That response was not from the group “anonymous,” Grey Winter. That vile response is not their style.
http://dothprotesttoomuch.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/complaintfilestamped-complaint-file-stamped.pdf
So here is the docs
More proof of unreasonable “fear” from the defendant in the Trayvon Murder case
Finally! Thanks for sharing, Jun!
My favorite was “pre-advance Hannity Interview.” |
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Pre-advance
QUESTION: Mr. Fogen, will you tell the jury in your own words what the suspect did to make you fear for your life?
A: Yessir.
Q: Go ahead, then.
A: Oh. [Brings up his hands like tigerpaws holding something round] He was meaning to kill me that night motherfucker so he began his plan by looking suspicious.
Q: Would you explain please?
A: It is not good to kill an innocent white guy, so he began that plan by being up to no good.
Q: Was there anything else?
A: Yes. It was his pre-advance attempt to kill me.
My favorite
A significant sum was billed for investigation (of Trayvon) and mileage
Exhibit “D” 20 July 2012 8:06pm Text message from AIS/Rumbaugh to MOM advising;
“unconfirmed pot purchase from Trayvon to the daughter of one of my clients”
That’s the totality of “dirt” their investigation produced about Trayvon.
Thanks, Malisha, but strictly thanks to Jun first.
That actually looks pretty familiar down to certain terms (unlawful enrichment) or similar to our contract law, that’s one of the few fields I know a little about. Hmm, I was a bit fast in suggesting there should be a signed contract. … Obviously the work was demanded, expanded and delivered. I somehow agree that if O’Mara’s client cannot pay, he may be liable, after all the hired them and don’t forget what he told the court during the first bond hearing. It’s a bit late to wiggle out of responsibility more than two month later.
Can we O’Mara’s reply too?
looney my favorite passages:
And last but not least:
Slightly late you start to think about that, Mark, don’t you think?. A truly good servant of Fogen, he is.
Very, very funny.
I guess they all felt really very important with all these security guards around even paying for their meals and hotel rooms.
Yea you cant just make an order for any product or service and then refuse to pay for it, claiming there was nothing signed
If he was allegedly low on money, then do not use the services as the company even stated it was excessive and there is no way that Fogenhats has the same type of security for $700 a week…
I could have provided security for $200.00 a week. Real simple. I just call every morning and ask how the toilet paper situation is and remind him to stay inside and away from the windows. Wear that Afro wig and faceblack when you order dinner and I’ll check back in the morning…..Real Simple.
ROFLMAO! Just get him a Life-Alert.
Sorry…..I can hear it now.
Fogen”……um, help me, I’ve fallen and I can’t get up”
LA dispatcher “……sorry, we heard you use that one before”
Fogen “..No, this time I’m serious…..I had 7 Pizzas and I can’t get up!!”
LA dispatcher “….right….to much sidewalk topping again ??”
Fogen “…um…… I’m in real trouble here and I need help”
LA dispatcher “…..what….did ya give up on O’ Mara already Pffftttt!”
Fogen “But it feels like my gut is about to explode…..and..”
LA dispatcher “…Oh…now it’s your guts, what happened to your head exploding!! …let me take a stab in the dark here, you have all this blood in your eyes too”
Fogen “….do you know who I am……..I’m …”
LA dispatcher “We know who yo are and you owe us $656.00, go on a diet, then try and get up”
LOL@racerrodig. Oh my! I bet that one of the security guards is signing a publishing contract right now to write a book for release as soon as the trial if over.
You can take that to the bank !! Imagine the crap some of them overheard……Actually….I’d rather not.
I can only imagine the title.
Racer, mY SIDES are killing me,
hahahahahah
Glad I could be of help !! How many days to Trial……
150 days….
Hey Fogen…….150 days opps….149 now!!
Tick Tock Tick Tock
I think I’ll do a rewrite on the Chambers Brothers “Time” soon.
Hey Fogen….LLMPapa does such great work on the videos but I get ya with the song lyrics. Remember back in November even the Professor loved my “Truckin” tribute to Fogen…..
“Time has come today…….” get ready Fogen….it won’t be long. Of course I could do a Beatles redo of “It won’t be long” Hmmmm?
I like your lyrics.
Thanks !!
He sure won’t get the benefit of the Stones “Time is on my side” that’s for sure.
No way Jose!
“Time” is a classic.
It is a Classic and it has “More Cowbell”
Here is more cowbell for ya!
Just the humor I need to start the weekend!
Racerrodig dialing……ring…….ring….
Fogen….”um…….hello…….this is Cheorge….
racerrodig.” Duck Cheorge……quick…get down….here they come the New Black Panise Party…….Ahhhhhh Just kidding……I told not to answer the phone dork…bye!”
That’s A – 1 Security….actually, it’s all he deserves.
I believe for $700 he just gets the necklace button thingy and the security guy does not even come out for him for that price so he just calls the police and the police have heard him lie too many times so Fogenhats becomes the boy who cried wolf LMAO and the cops do not bother showing up and just send the NW guy for the safehouse he is in LOL
If GZ is secluded much longer, he’ll start calling the cops on ShelLIE. “There’s this real suspicious woman in my hotel room. She’s asking for money. I don’t know what her deal is.”
LMAO
Here’s an ugly though…..imagine the pillow talk between those two. Yeeshhhh ! Oh Cheorge…is that you pistol all loaded for me ??…Oh yeah, wait, let me take the magazine out……there…..clink…
Oh my, you must be feeling a helluva lot better! You crack me up racer!
Feeling Better !! & you guys and gals all helped.
@racerrodig. Pillow talk?!?!?! GZ and ShelLIE??? It would sound more that this;
“Uh, honey, can you pass me those crackers. And while you’re at it, is there more peanut butter in the jar? You should get more crackers tomorrow. Write yourself a note so you don’t forget. I’m so proud of you.”
You beat me up on that one…..But I’ll add they put a new spin on avoiding the wet spot…..
oh racerrodrig, you didn’t go there! No! You DID! ugh, ugh, ugh!
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Hey…you brought up the peanut butter!!!!!!
YUCK!
If they weren’t having that peanut butter in bed, and I didn’t bring that one up…..well……
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww
One word: Funyuns!!!
I could write a book
i would call it
Fogenhats the 3rd: Local Stalker & Predator, Quips & Quotes
Speaking of which, did Ostermans book top 6 copies sold yet???
MO was on Dr. Phil saying GZ made a mistake. He says GZ was confused and thought that the dispatcher wanted him to follow. They forget that GZ was given a 14 hour course on NW which pounded it in, that there would be no following of anyone. The SPD changed their site and wiped away the report that GZ had taken the required 14 hour course. When I went to the NSA, NW site, lo and behold, they offer a course for NW that is, 14 hours!
I’m sure the SP has this information, so, just let him try that “I was confused” explanation. Yet another reason he won’t be put on the stand. Not for any SYG hearing and certainly not for any trial.
Every claim he might try to make is repudiated by his own words, actions and deeds. He’s toast!
One might be confused if mentally delayed, under the influence or really scared. If he was scared, more reason to stay in the vehicle. If he is “confused”, why does he have a weapon.
Because his “confusion” like his “I don’t remember” and “I have ADHD”, only come about AFTER he needs these constructs to try and defend himself against his willful act of serious misconduct.
One has to remember, no matter what may have been on GZ’s mind, he is not capable of causing the necessary judgements, to be passed on his action, all by himself. Thus, if he has done these things, and he hopes to escape accountability for them, then he requires the assistance of others. Those “others”, must be in positions of power, or they cannot impose the desired results.
So then, the question becomes “Did people in positions of authority, give assurances of outcome, before or after the fact?” In other words, was GZ responding to assurances given? Or, was he simply acting first, in hopes that assistance would later be forthcoming?
Had he hopes that assistance would later be forthcoming, then he’d realize he needed a story that would provide credible assistance to those he expected to come to his aid. While, on the other hand, if he already had credible assurances that he would be defended by people with the power to do so effectively, the matter of how credible his cover story would have to be, is not so high on the scale of necessity.
Lonnie~ I think he didn’t think he NEEDED any cover story much beyond a “suspicious black male was seen in my high crime neighborhood.” And why need any assurances before the act? He’s gotten away with so many other serious activities that were NOT premeditated, why shouldnt he get away with this one? I think he EXPECTED cover up, via his daddy’s connections, as they have always come in the past.  And NOW he finds that his ability to do little white lies and sorry SOB stories aren’t enough for this situation. He is finding himself FAR in over his head, doesn’t know what to do so he continues to do the same thing. I don’t think he was given “assurances” specifically, but he already had expectations that nothing would happen. That is why he “felt betrayed” that the cops, ie Serino, even thought of arresting him.  So NO, he didn’t feel a need for a very thorough cover story. He expected his daddy’s “friends” to make one up for him. In part, they did add some things, like that lie that GZ was on his way to “Target” for the week’s groceries. But even Serino DID warn him, in a way, that he “needed more, you know, to take to my superiors to justify not charging.”
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He’s never done anything this serious before. Previously he was quite observant of the rules, even if he was noisome. Suddenly, this one night, he leaves home and goes directly to where someone is standing, taking shelter from the rain. Then he starts lying immediately, in a way that would keep secret the fact that he had been notified. Why is notification being kept secret? It’s nothing illegal. But, guess what it would do, if notification, had been given by someone who later becomes his best witness?
If GZ thought he could get away with shooting anyone, he’d probably have shot Burgess. Apparently, GZ was not sufficiently sure about getting away with anything really serious, before that night. That night he breaks all of the rules, and tells lies without a care that they add up. How does he do this without almost ironclad assurances that nothing will be done to him?
He can’t feel betrayed by the police just doing their job! If he feels betrayed, it’s because the people who assured him he would be let go, lost their power to protect him.
If GZ isn’t planning something serious, why is he so impaired? His voice and demeanor on this NEN tape, is nothing at all, like the crisp clear voice and level headed presentations he makes on other calls made on other days. So, what’s so different about this day, that he needs to go out impaired?
There are just too many interlocking question, that point to a conspiracy having been brewed in the background. From witnesses testifying to things they never saw, to people in high positions, jumping to the conclusion that GZ was defending himself from a deadly threat, before the investigative materials had been collected and analyzed. Then resisting the evidence assessment of the lead Detective when he made his recommendations.
Clearly there’s more to this than meets the eye.
You are SO RIGHT that there is more here than meets the eye. That was my attempt to understand GZ’s supreme confidence. Maybe it will come out during trial.
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I’d love an explanation to “…we don’t need you to do that”
racerrodig~ just because you don’t NEED it, doesn’t mean you don’t WANT it! Stalkers know all about your secret desires. Sean secretly wanted GZ to follow Trayvon so he told him he didn’t need that. See?
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“……Um….Really”
In police jargon “we don’t need you to do that”, means “don’t do that!”
But they won’t say that because, they’re not at the scene themselves and can’t know what is, or is not required from moment to moment.
They have to realize that whatever they say, will be viewed in hindsight, so they simply cannot give orders without knowing what the situation is exactly.
So, they say “we don’t need you to do that”, and let you be the judge of whether those actions are necessary. In this case, GZ should have realized that since he wasn’t following someone who had actually committed any crime, his best act would be to let them go on their way.
I’m certain that if GZ had merely walked to the T and observed from there, TM would have gone home, and GZ would have been able to tell the police where he went. But no, GZ believed that nobody, who doesn’t live in RATL, has any right to walk through the RATL. But that’s not true, not even by law, because the RATL isn’t posted.
I think “…we don’t need you to do that” will mean “Don’t do anything and stop where you are” by the jury.
Under the circumstances, that’s exactly what it meant. Only if GZ can state that something else of prime importance began to happen, something that required swift action, then GZ could justify ignoring it.
Since there was nothing else happening, other than that he had lost track of someone who had done nothing but walk along, GZ had no right or need to be in that area at all. It doesn’t matter if he thought TM had murdered the Queen herself, if he didn’t see it happen, he has no right to act on his imagination.
The simple fact is, GZ saw a teen who was black, walking slowly in the rain/drizzle, and he became increasingly angry as he imagined all sorts of fantasies, none of which he could confirm.
He then followed the teen, about whom he was becoming increasingly angry because of his own wild imaginings, and he shot him through the heart and lung, with the gun he had always carried and kept loaded to the maximum with the most deadly ammunition he could purchase.
He then tried to make others believe that he was being horribly beaten, and would have been killed by an unarmed teen who had never been known to fight with anyone. The teen, he says, was armed with fists like bricks and he pummeled the poor defenseless NW Captain and violence prone former bar room bouncer and ex security muscle-for-hire man. Then the teen saw his gun, through all those clothes and both their bodies, and decided he was going to grab the gun and shoot GZ, BUT FIRST, he decided to issue a warning “you’re going to die tonight!” It was to be his first kill, but GZ somehow remembered his gun in time to grab it first.
Hmmm… What’s wrong with this picture? GZ had forgotten he had a gun, TM is supposed to have seen it, before GZ remembered he had it. GZ only remembers he has a gun, after TM warns him that he’s going to die tonight, and begins to reach for it. Then GZ beats him to it, and yet, he still has to fire the weapon? Why? There’s only one gun there and GZ has total control of it. Only the person with the weapon is a deadly threat.
GZ wants us to believe that, although TM was reaching for his gun, TM either didn’t know what a gun could do, or was crazed and wouldn’t stop hitting GZ with his brick like fists. GZ, further wants us to believe that an unarmed TM could have killed him almost instantly, had he not fired the shot. I don’t think a jury is going to buy any of that tripe. Of course, he’s welcomed to try!
Oh, he’ll try…but he won’t have much luck after getting crushed by the the line in his interview where he says he knew exactly what “…we don’t need you to do that…” meant.
I dont think his book sold more than 4 copies. I feel people can read all of Fogenhats’ lies for free on the internet, so why pay for a book, written by an idiot ie Ostertrench
He threatened me once. I told him where to go and how to get there.
I think he also said “…Get Lost..” once…..but either loudly, or suspiciously.
Way to go, Professor. The first thing that came to mind because of this cyberbullying-type behaviour is that you are an adult and a lawyer and you appear to have dealt with it effectively.
I say this because there are kids out there who are suffering because of cyber-bullying that is just as relentless. They are not adults. They are not lawyers.
There needs to be better control on the internet. Free speech is fine and dandy and is an important part of a democratic society. However, there is a difference between free speech and hate speech. Cyber-bullying really is no different than bullying in the real world. Stealing someone’s identity on the internet is no different than identity theft in real life.
People hide behind their computers like those real life criminals wearing masks because, so far, they get away with their crimes.
It is time to publicly address this type of crime, and other internet crimes because internet technology is now part of our society.
It is just too sad that a great tool like the Internet is being used in such an evil, destructive way.
The best thing to do is ignore it, since it is just words and sticks and stones. Catalog everything and then press charges onto the cyberstalker. The way I look at it is why should anyone give anyone a care who obviously does not care about them.
Easy to say — harder to do. Yes, words do have an effect on people. The one at the top of my head is —- the Professor and the topic of today’s discussion. The internet is forever and is starting to be used for job hiring and other background checks. Look at what has happened to DeeDee and the wrong DeeDee.
Some people are fanatical and evil and will always have an audience. How many mass murderers have people following them, proposing marriage, etc.. Words do alot of damage and do hurt.
Yes, seallison, as you say…..”It is just too sad that a great tool like the Internet is being used in such an evil, destructive way.”
But, we should see this as our challenge today…..to counter negativity with that which is positive. I personally love these well known lyrics:
[ "Love is but the song we sing,
And fear's the way we die
You can make the mountains ring
Or make the angels cry"]
AND
[ "You hold the key to love and fear
All in your trembling hand
Just one key unlocks them both
It's there at your command
C'mon people now,
Smile on your brother
Ev'rybody get together"]
I really believe that we need develop savvy with the workings of internet to make the message of kindness, goodness, empathy and caring SHINE strongly against the negativity so that hatefulness will no longer have any dark corner in which to thrive.
One of my favorite songs. Thanks for the reminder yahtc.
Your are a dear, Xena…..thanks for posting the link!
What a great, positive lyric to have playing in one’s mind.
Yes! I am a child of the 60s and am with you all the way!
I truly believe that ALL people who are FRIENDS with justice, goodness, kindness, humanitarianism, and empathy CAN counter the dark side of the internet by STANDING UP TOGETHER.
The following song is one that a DEAR friend and I exchanged between each other this year.
Now, I want to use this song to inspire me as I consider my heartfelt relationship and FRIENDSHIP with those IDEAL GOALS which are good for me and our country…justice, humanitarianism, truth, empathy, thoughtfulness etc.
It is like my singing my commitment that I will keep smiling and will stand for that which is good:
Applause
Professor i’m glad you got some relief. and i/we all feel for you two.
but this is so upsetting. and i just saw the site Xena posted and that idiot is obsessed with you!
i don’t see any other reason for him/her to go out like that other than envy and prejudice.
it’s not for the sake of justice because YOU are not the accused! but this person spent so much time out of his life to search and write and finally create a whole blog just about you!
i don’t know what to think. but i’d consider that stalking. something is wrong with them.
@shannoninmiami.
Back in November, the cyberstalker posted several comments on the treeslum as to why he was attacking the Professor. The cyberstalker has attacked LLMPapa, and others who comment here. It’s as though he believes that if he can bully us into forsaking this blog, our own blogs and Youtube channels, that it’s a punishment upon the Professor. He calls doxing “vetting” and is not good at it, which subjects him to possibly harassing people who are not the people he purports to “vet.”
Funny thing is that his Twitter account has a mere 23 followers.
It is just sad that there is a need for laws to stop people from this type of behaviour when the owners of the sites have the ability to block, ban, whatever to stop it at the source. The court system is back-logged as it is and the prisons are bursting at the seams. There has to be an immediate reaction by the public when they come upon people misusing the medium.
I so agree with you concerning what some blog sites will permit some people to say on their sites. YouTube is one of it not the worse. I read a comment from one of the Thugboat faithful who said, “I wish I lived in Florida, so I could go take a leisurely $**t on Trayvon’s grave.” why would a web site even permit such trash talk to be posted on their site? I use to comment on YouTube but, never again and, I believe YouTube needs to clean up their site. people can and do use the “N” word as much and as often as they please. there is no way to contact the owners of YouTube in order to complain about the kind of comments they are allowing to post there. I believe in freedom of speech just as much as the next person but, there are times when the line has to be drawn also.
Trayvon never hurt anyone in his short life and that goes for Fogen as well but, he is being vilified by racist whites as if he was the worse kid on the planet. these people have no shame and they certainly have no heart. this kid did not deserve what this POS did to him and they know it but, they just feel the need to show their *RACIST HATRED* and *IGNORANCE* to the rest of humanity. then we have Fogen’s family joining in the vilification of this innocent kid whose life was stolen from him by their son/brother. his father being a POS as well, blogs on HP as LJP when this man wouldn’t know justice if it bit him in his racist ass.
Fogen will have a miserable life whether he is not found guilty or not, he will always have to live in hiding while looking over his shoulder. he will never be a free individual. I can’t say the words a free man when it comes to him because, IMO he is not a man at all!
Economic insecurity brings out the worst in some people who feel threatened, that their safety is at risk, and their future is uncertain. They look for direction and leadership because they feel helpless to do anything about their issues. Unfortunately, and I hate to say this, many do not feel that the President is the leader they wanted. They are an angry bunch who feel they are losing their privilege to immigrants and other minorities — including women.
I would add that having your world view challenged, or threatened brings out the worst in people also. The Martin case is proof of this. GZ supporters are not in his corner because they think he’s innocent and a victim. They support GZ because he accomplished what they believe they also have a right to do, violate other people’s lives, liberty, and property for whatever reason
they deem fit. Especially if the other is black or swarthy. Prosecuting GZ is making that view blurry and hazy. So, like all cornered dogs, they become nasty and/or dangerous.
Economic insecurity can also be tied to envy. I met a sovereign citizen once who believes that he is entitled to have whatever he wants if it’s owned by minorities or women. Understand that to mean, to take from them by deception or outright stealing. If a minority works and lives “too high on the hog” he calls them “N—-r rich.”
New Post Up:
Open Thread: Thursday, January 10, 2013
(Introduction contains some announcements and links)
I already posted this on your open thread, but I am re-posting this here, to make sure this is READ by ALL, if you know what I mean.
Bravo, Professor!!!
No words can express how happy I am that someone (YOU) finally got this mentally disturbed person and he will finally pay for all the evil he has set forth in this tragic and heartbreaking case.
This evil person has stalked, harassed and even threatened people online and he will finally pay for his inexcusable, disgusting and pathetic actions. This doesn’t include what this person can or would be capable in the REAL outside world. I wouldn’t be surprised if we watch him on the 6 o’clock news, one day in the future.
Again Professor, BRAVO, friend!
Justice for Trayvon Martin
Great job Frederick! I hope this person is prosecuted. I usually get here by typing your name on google. It will be a relief to not see this idiot’s site in the search results from now on.
Hahaha… Well, he finally got a response, hahaha… He can’t be too happy with it.
Oh a question profession, O’Mara is claiming in the Security case that GZ is responsible for the hire. Is he giving up his work product shield? Won’t that mean that the security detail can be questioned by the SP?
Not the attorney-client privilege because, by “responsible,” I imagine he meant the final decision on whether to hire the firm. That’s not revealing a confidential client communication.
The work-product question is an interesting one, particularly as to the investigative work conducted. That information generally is covered by the privilege, except that in this case, the firm is attempting to collect an unpaid debt for the investigative services that it conducted.
I don’t believe there is a violation of the privilege for the company’s disclosure that there was a contract, services were rendered pursuant to that contract, and the client did not pay for those services.
I think the information collected by the firm constitutes work product. Revealing what it was probably is a violation of the privilege and the State probably is entitled to it. Of course, it’s in the public record, so they have it.
This might be the basis for a counterclaim by the defendant against the firm, but I don’t think it opens the door to further inquiry by the prosecution.
I think what I’m asking is: O’Mara wants the security firm, shielded from the SP’s prying, by his “work product privilege”. But, can O’Mara keep the shield in place without paying for their services?
Doesn’t he risk proving that the security company provided it’s services “at will”, and therefore, during the unpaid portion of their work, they were not covered by MOM’s WP shield?
Thus, given the non-payment, at what point would O’Mara’s WP shield fail, so that the SP could question the security people?
The work product privilege does not require a payment.
The investigation services provided are definitely covered by the work product privilege, but the company revealed what the investigation discovered. That is a violation of the privilege.
Now you’ve got me confused:
1. I thought they were hired to provide protective service, not investigative service.
2. I don’t see where they’ve divulged work product material. Of course, that’s because what I’m considering work product, is material Germaine to the criminal case, rather than just security matters.
Okay, I get that work product isn’t dependent on the service provider being paid. So that’s one issue you’ve cleared up for me. Now I need to know how these other two issues work/are defined as work product.
If their security material is not usable as work product, then they can’t sue to get paid, because that’s their evidence. A security or investigative services provide would have to demand payment in advance? Or be held hostage by the work product privilege? I’m missing something.
@Lonnie
Wrote in part:
1. I thought they were hired to provide protective service, not investigative service.
O’mara hired them for both but he said he would be responsible for the investigative portion to protect client/atty privelge, if I read this correctly.
Page 4 point 17 of Lawsuit
page 5 point 24 of lawsuit
I read that, but what isn’t clear is, exactly what O’Mara is repudiating in his reply.
In addition to the security work, they did some investigation work for O’Mara looking for dirt on Trayvon but they only information the supposedly found was that the daughter of one of their clients had purchased some weed from him.
Assuming that is true, the revelation of that information would be a violation of the work product privilege because the information is work product.
Revealing necessary information about the business relationship in order to get paid for services rendered would not violate the work product rule because that is not work product.
Okay, now we’re back on the same page again.
In his answer he seems to be trying to push responsibility for the hire off on to GZ. To me, that seemed a little bit dangerous, since he seemed to be withdrawing his WP shield from around the security team.
Well, if O’Mara needs anymore professional assistance, he’s going to have to pay in advance. This suit cuts off his credit line.
Yes, he really screwed himself when he stiffed them on the bill and then said he never signed a contract. I would never do business with a lawyer like that, if I were an investigator or expert witness.
For all the worry about someone trying to humiliate GZ, O’Mara seems to have done quite a job of it himself. LOL, Now, my guess is O’Mara and GZ are on a cash basis with everyone. No credit, no credibility, good heavens, can this crew of jerks make things any worse for themselves?
Sure, isn’t it time for another TV interview??????? This time SheLie will try her “Favorite Dinners for her Man” charm.
Sunday – Chinese take out
Monday – Burger King
Tuesday – All you can eat Buffet (Security allowing of course!)
Wednesday – Pizza Night !!! Taaffe’s favorite night to come on over !!!
Thursday – The 100 McNugget Special Night
Friday – TV Dinner & a movie.(last night Death Wish)
Saturday – Pizza Night again…can’t get enough of that Taaffe guy !!
Yep, it’s about to for one of them to cause another embarrassment, it’s just that they are the only one’s who don’t see it!!!
It is an oral contract and considering Omara already paid $40,000 allegedly and said they were overcharging, I believe there was an agreement in place and it is an oral contract and there is likely written texts and emails to use as proof that could also mean as a written contract (according to cases I read, that emails and texts can be used to mean a written contract or the same, even if verbally agreed)
Also considering his statements, he made it out as if Fogenhats had every single mafia and ninja assassin after him in the world and Omara stressed security, so considering that, the charges seem fairly normal, as they did lots of work for Fogenhats
Lastly, Fogenhats & Omara do not have great credibility so there it goes
“Also considering his statements, he made it out as if Fogenhats had every single mafia and ninja assassin after him in the world and Omara stressed security, so considering that, the charges seem fairly normal, as they did lots of work for Fogenhats”
I heard the Zidiots say even Bruce Lee was after him.
Hey, he’s still up and kicking…they must be doing a great job, or maybe the threats were just a bit exaggerated ??
How can GZ be threatened when no one knows how to contact him? Uh, let me rephrase that. Only his family and friends who know how to contact him could threaten him.
“Thank God we’re safe at Osterman’s where nobody in the world knows where we are or who he is. Well, maybe that racerrodig guy might be a threat…..or Xena……..But Hey…..at least the New Black Panthers don’t know !!”
HA!
Yeah….he’s mulling that racerrodig guy as a threat……I can hear the wheels turning as we type.
You so crazy!
Funny….that’s what the Zidiot Nation on HP said??
But I mean it in a good way.
I knew that !!
I knew you knew that I knew what you saying! HA!
The billings they paid are so detailed and there are so many records generated, O’Mara simply can’t win. On top of which, he’s got the obvious need to shelter the security firm with his “work product” privilege, so that they can’t be questioned about what they hear the family discussing. There are too many interlocking considerations and contexts, for him to be able to credibly deny much of anything at all. So, it looks like there will soon be a judgement to take a large bite of the remaining sums.
I don’t see how any expert testimony will help GZ’s cause, but, if he wants or needs any, they’ll have to put up stiff retainers in advance. O’Mara and GZ have painted themselves into a corner they can’t get out of.
“Um, Mr. O’ Mara..here’s another can of gasoline to put out the fire with….”
LMAO
They will probably claim Fogenhats was found and threatened via the use of Ping Logs LMAO
I was hoping we’d never hear about Ping Logs again….did you mean Cheese Logs ? I can go that that!!
You must be over the flu.
Congratulations!
Much Better !! Made a few scrambled egg sandwiches about an hour ago and looks like my appetite is back also.
Perhaps Fogenhats is scared of those Mexicans
He did not get a chance to run them all over with his car like he planned to, because hey, Fogenhats says that is self defense and he was not being racist, it is just that Mexicans are all suspicious for being punks according to Fogen The 3rd LOL
I just had an epiphany though… if you look at Fogenahts the 3rd’s myspace, he referred to Mexicans as “punks” and are not tough guys and Fogenhats would run over them with his car… so… he called Trayvon a “punk”…hmmm
But as you know Fogenhatter Mantra
Ping Logs
Cheese Logs
Kick a dog
Hate Leatherman’s blog
claim to be robbed
call Mexicans Fobs
he cant have jobs
he got bonked in the knob
You should see Dino Demented on HP tonight bashing Professor L. Needless to say I had to go toe to toe with him and as always….chalk up another win for Team Trayvon.
It ended with Dino Demented being so tongue tied he said he has a “talk knob” I kid you not !! It’s there on HP….What a dip !!
Why does a Florida attorney think that Serino’s changing his reprt 4 times will help the defense? It clearly states that George provoked the incident and should have stayed in the car.
Very glad to read some positive resolutions to the cyberstalker. Between shutting down the sites and providing the info to law enforcement, hopefully they will realise they cannot act with impunity. At the very least, they will think twice before targeting you and Crane Station again. Great News!
Hmm, I didn’t know Crane-Station
Another link in my pro-Trayvon camp folder.
Again, bravo, bravissimo, Prof, well done. But interesting nevertheless you got active once he attacked Crane-Station.
Good you have done it anyway. Some of this type of dirt always sticks that is the whole reason why it is done.
Professor, how do I get a private message to you?
Frederick.Leatherman@yahoo.com
Although the cyberstalker has taken down his 2 hate-sties, his comments on other sites remain. I am currently collecting them. It takes awhile for me to reach the boiling point, and it’s not only for the slanderous things he has posted about me, but also the malicious things he posted about Trent Sawyer, LLMPapa, and other pro-justice for Trayvon supporters that now has me steaming. He cannot produce any evidence to prove what he posted is the truth, so I’m seriously considering sending him back into bankruptcy court.
Xena~ I’m not one for usually formenting trouble, but if enough people make a stand against those that abuse the freedom of the internet, maybe the less hatred and violence will be spewed on it. I support you 100%.
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@Cielo62. Thank you. In general, it’s always best to ignore vicious people. But that person is malicious and intentionally posts filthy lies about others to defame them.
That person has demonstrated a pattern of harassment, stalking, and defamation. If he is the person also named as a defendant in an employment discrimination case, then it adds to the credibility that his motivation is race-based which then postures his comments as hate-speech.
His back-patters over on the treeslum are “vetting” wrong individuals and slandering. If we responded in like manner, we will have taken their bait to divert discussion of GZ’s case to making personal attacks and slandering by associating the name of any individual as them.
We discuss GZ’s case here. They attack us for doing so and the cyberstalker has made it known that he personally attacks and defames the professor and others because we discuss GZ’s case. Yet, he lacks decency to confront any of us head-on in honest debate about the case.