Open Thread for Wednesday, January 9, 2013


I have not had an opportunity to write a new article today. Therefore, I am creating this open thread for discussion and comments.

Fred

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53 Responses to Open Thread for Wednesday, January 9, 2013

  1. blushedbrown says:
    January 9, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    following along …..

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  2. Valerie says:
    January 9, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    following

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  3. justchill says:
    January 9, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    someone at huffpo brought up frank taffee today and were wondering why he tried to insert himeslf into this case…they insisted it was because he just wanted attention,,,is it just me, or does anyone else think they will find a taffee connection in the phone records?

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    • Crane-Station says:
      January 9, 2013 at 4:52 pm

      Not just you, and I often wonder about the amazing coincidence about the walk-through encounter- didn’t the ‘walk-through’ start at Taffee’s place (in the car at first)?

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      • justchill says:
        January 9, 2013 at 5:00 pm

        indeed it did!! the zim defenders over at huffpo were insisting taffee was a racist…it was almost as if they were “floating a balloon” to see what kind of reaction his name would get, and then they tried to distance taffee from the killer…i don’t believe for a second that we have heard the last of frank taffee.

  4. Two sides to a story says:
    January 9, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    One of Taffee’s most memorable lines is “we sure would like to bring that boy back . . .”

    I don’t recall which interview that was in or I’d post a link.

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    • Rachael says:
      January 9, 2013 at 7:23 pm

      “We” who? Hmmmm kind of a strange way to say that.

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      • Two sides to a story says:
        January 9, 2013 at 11:15 pm

        Yes, it is a little strange. As if placing himself at the scene. Or making it seem as if he and Fogen are quite close.

      • Two sides to a story says:
        January 9, 2013 at 11:27 pm

        Oh, correction. My memory twisted it a bit. The actual line is: ”It’s a tragic event – we can’t bring that boy back,” he said. “I wish we could.”

        This was an early interview before Fogen was arrested. Still, he used the pronoun we as if he had something to do with making Trayvon “go away.” http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Trayvon-Martins-Shooter-Defended-By-Fellow-Neighborhood-Watch-Captain-143579196.html

      • Xena says:
        January 10, 2013 at 8:14 am

        Based on statements made by Taaffe, and the consistency of those statements, he was the motivation behind GZ’s desire for a NW. It is Taaffe who until this day, believes that young Black male renters commit all crimes in R@TL.

        Eric Gallagher is of the belief that Noah Caraker, the then president of the HOA, was conspiring with others to violate the Fair Housing Act and harass Blacks into moving out of R@TL.

        http://redyankeepress.blogspot.com/2012/05/zimmerman-gets-little-help-from-cracker.html

        After GZ contacted Dovial, she gave him her business card. This was before the official meeting with residents. There’s an email in discovery where she notes that Taaffe called her about renters. It is reasonable to believe that Taaffe and GZ talked and he obtained Dovial’s phone number from GZ.

        Dovial asked GZ if the HOA had policies for renters, such as conducting background checks. GZ did not get back to her with that info.

        In essence, it was Taaffe who took advantage of GZ’s desire to fault find and call cops. Only that time, rather than it being pot holes and drivers going 1 mile over the speed limit, it was Blacks.

  5. William Walton says:
    January 9, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    Prof: Has anyone given thought to the fact that GZ being as manipulative as he appears to be was coached into believing that he could be a hero, gain respect, and beable to start his own security company. This coaching could have come from the Sanford Police Dept. as well as others involved with GZ. This is by no means inferring the GZ is not guilty of killing TM but that others could have been involved. It would appear that GZ does not have the where with all to come up with this plan on his own. He was a poor excuse for an emplyee as well as a poor excuse for a student. One would think that he would have knowledge studying criminology as to what the consequence would be for shooting an unarmed kid. It is thought that his ego got in the way thinking he was a nobody and had to become a somebody.

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  6. jm says:
    January 9, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    follow

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  7. Dashamimi says:
    January 9, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    On one of the jailhouse calls shelLIE tells him “Dang, you are like a celebrity”…..I knew then there were mental issues.

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  8. cielo62 says:
    January 9, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    >^..^< prowling

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  9. jm says:
    January 9, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    When is GZ scheduled to appear in court again? I can’t wait to see the next episode.

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  10. Malisha says:
    January 9, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    The defense “going silent” is interesting. “Watch the distractions” failing to keep the show full of distractions going is interesting. The lawsuit against attorney, client and wifey is interesting. The obvious failure to find out anything incriminating on Trayvon Martin is interesting. In-ter-es-ting!

    But I was thinking today, about “the talk” that one would have to have with one’s teen-aged African American kid, based on the myths that were promulgated by the Trayvon Martin killing.

    “Son, in my day, we had to be taught that we were not allowed to answer back to any police officer, no matter what he might be saying to us, no matter what he might be trying to do to us, no matter how innocent we were, no matter what the circumstances were. The best course of action, we were taught, was to fall absolutely silent and let them do whatever they were gonna do and then wait to be rescued by our families and whatever lawyers they could afford to hire, and they’d put up the house, the grandparents’ houses, whatever had to happen, and they’d do their best to pry us out of the lion’s jaws, but while our hand was in the lion’s mouth, we had to be humble.

    “Son, I’m sorry to say that nowadays it’s worse than that. Nowadays anybody who can get a gun can appoint himself a would-be cop and we don’t know when one of THEM might decide they need to treat us like criminals. I wish I could tell you what to do. If you defend yourself, you can be killed. If you don’t defend yourself, you can be killed. We have corrupt police departments and corrupt governments at the local, state and even federal levels. I don’t know what to say to you. Except good luck, and if some racist self-appointed demigod kills you, know with your last breath that we love you and that it is not your fault.”

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    • You all have thoughtful comments says:
      January 9, 2013 at 9:35 pm

      Makes my heart ache.

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      • You all have thoughtful comments says:
        January 9, 2013 at 9:37 pm

        I know your words will touch many people in the way your words touched me.

    • Jun says:
      January 9, 2013 at 10:01 pm

      It is sad but it is a talk a lot of people have with their kids

      My fam gave me the same talk about some people may not accept me for being not white but she never taught me to hate on anyone so I dont act that way, although I am careful

      This type of talk would go with a talk about predators, because in conclusion, people who commit these acts are just predators

      Trayvon had every right to walk home and he was outmanned by Zimmernuts although Trayvon tried to diffuse the situation by running away and simply trying to talk to the predator, Fogenhats…. did not work and Fogenhats attacked and then murdered Trayvon and then staged a self defense claim which seems to have had the police play along for a while until the Governor and Mayor stepped in

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      • Malisha says:
        January 10, 2013 at 7:34 am

        That does express what they were doing, “PLAY ALONG.”

        They were playing along and it was public theater. The protector. The crime-ridden neighborhood. The thug. The tangle. The near-death. The “the” gun. The blood. The boo-hoo. The denouement.

        But then, ha ha, the fury, the protest, the outrage, the indignation, the route, the “step-aside” [Everybody do the step-aside], the “the” law.

    • Cercando Luce says:
      January 10, 2013 at 2:05 pm

      Malisha, you are like the Klondike– golden nuggets of observation, satire and wisdom glittering out of your posts. I wish Jon Stewart knew about you.

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      • Malisha says:
        January 10, 2013 at 11:13 pm

        TELL HIM! :-)

        Oh, and here:

        EVERYBODY DO THE STEP-ASIDE
        [to the music of "Everybody Do the MessAround"] [Ray Charles]

        Ah you can talk about the law, poh-leese too,
        The neighborhood was jumpin, hey Fogen, Yoo Hoo,
        Ah get your mark, go on out and get your mark,
        They won’t nobody bother you,
        Juss go out and pick your “suspect” mark.

        Ah, everybody was juiced, you can, bet your soul
        You always want to prove the point that you can play a role
        so you can step-aside, everybody gonna step-aside,
        They doin’ the step-aside,
        Everybody doin’ the step-aside.

        Now ah, when you say “self defense,”
        You know that they can’t prosecute,
        They’ll step-aside the witnesses so crime does not compute,
        they do the step-aside, aha,
        Everybody do the step-aside.

        Now let me have it there boy
        Now you got it boy
        Yeah ah, step-aside, step-aside,
        Detective step-aside too, yeah…

        Now this here official story, you had to use your gun,
        Everybody here’s gonna echo, ten to one,
        Doin’ the step-aside,
        Ah, doin’ the step-aside,
        They doin’ the step-aside, ah,
        Everybody doin’ the step-aside.

        Now you see that chief of poh-leese, he got his thing down,
        He really knows how he’s got to dominate this town
        and do the step-aside,
        Ah, step-aside, STEP ASIDE:
        Everybody do the step-aside.

        Dang, that couple can DANCE!

  11. Xena says:
    January 9, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    (Catching up)

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  12. Trained Observer says:
    January 9, 2013 at 11:47 pm

    As an aside, is GZ’s pal Osterman still employed as a U.S. air marshal? If not, did he resign or was he sacked?

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  13. Operacarla says:
    January 10, 2013 at 3:24 am

    Hello all beauriful Trayvon supporters..I am out of the loop regarding fogen and the $200.postage issue. Can someone fill me in?

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    • Xena says:
      January 10, 2013 at 8:02 am

      It was $135.00 that GZ spent on 4/6/12 at the USPS in Lake Mary, FL. This was before his arrest and is provided on the Insight Credit Union Statements in the State’s First Supplemental Discovery.

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  14. Malisha says:
    January 10, 2013 at 7:35 am

    I miss Colin Black. Colin, if you’re reading, just sending you a heads up. :mrgreen:

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  15. Malisha says:
    January 10, 2013 at 8:03 am

    Perhaps the most ironic thing about the lawsuit against O’Mara and the Fogen Family is that what Fogen always dreamed about was becoming an employee of a company like the one that sued him. While he had them working for him he must have felt like the king of the universe, directing all that, being the boss of all that. As he becomes less and less important and more and more threatened with real consequences to his real conduct, he’s going to have a very hard row to hoe. In reality he’s no boss, no “director of anything,” no authority on anything, no expert on anything, no “like a celebrity” — just a defendant and then, probably, a convict. A strangely natural progression, of course, but one that he never imagined.

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    • Xena says:
      January 10, 2013 at 10:21 am

      I’m wondering whether GZ violated terms of bail. This would be the order that Judge Lester entered for the million dollar bond. The complaint makes note that upon his release from jail, GZ was transported to Orlando, and this would be previous to O’Mara’s motion and Judge Lester’s order that GZ could only leave Seminole County to visit his attorney’s office.

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  16. Xena says:
    January 10, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Just noticed something in the complaint filed by the security firm. It’s not only for unpaid invoices and interest, but also for lost earnings which they refer to as damages. In Count 1, Par. 85, Associated alleges that they were prevented from taking on other investigative and security work at its usual contract rate of $150 per hour for investigations and not less that $60 per hour for security work.

    They allege that they are entitled to recover as additional damages net profits from the work it would have performed during the time they provided services to Defendants that Defendants have not paid for.

    If the court decides that Associated is entitled to this, the judgment will exceed the $27,000 for unpaid invoices.

    I wonder if O’Mara regrets taking responsibility for GZ beyond the scope of legal representation?

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    • Malisha says:
      January 10, 2013 at 9:58 am

      I don’t know about that theory of missed profits because you weren’t working somewhere ELSE — then you sue for the money you billed for and add in money you could have made if you weren’t doing the actual work for which you billed? I doubt it…

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      • Xena says:
        January 10, 2013 at 10:16 am

        >blockquote> I don’t know about that theory of missed profits because you weren’t working somewhere ELSE — then you sue for the money you billed for and add in money you could have made if you weren’t doing the actual work for which you billed? I doubt it…

        I wondered about that too. It’s under the Breach of Contract count and may not be articulated well, but in other paragraphs it does mention that Associated provided the discount rate because the contract was to be “long term.”

        IOWs, they may be saying that in early July, someone called for their services for August, and because they were already engaged in providing services to Fogen and ShelLIE, that they turned down those engagements. So, if not but for the fact that they believed they had a long-term contract, they could and would have taken on engagements in August. The only reason they ceased providing services as of late July is because of non-payment.

      • Dave says:
        January 10, 2013 at 12:48 pm

        Hypothetically at least, instead of doing $60/hour security work for O’Mara and his client they MIGHT have been doing $150/hour investigative work for someone else.

      • cielo62 says:
        January 10, 2013 at 10:02 pm

        Malisha~ EXACTLY! Sounds like double dipping.

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    • Frederick Leatherman says:
      January 10, 2013 at 10:32 am

      To put it charitably, I think O’Mara was not ready for prime time when he took the case and he still isn’t ready.

      Barely any perceptible sign of improvement.

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    • cielo62 says:
      January 10, 2013 at 10:00 pm

      You KNOW I’m no fan of GZ, but that little move by Associated is pure scum. I mean, how can you get paid TWICE for the same hours? Either GZ pays for that time or he gets sued. How can you charge AGAIN for “maybe” other work they could have been doing at that time? Who is to stop me from charging my employer extra because I “could” be working elsewhere making more money?

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      • Xena says:
        January 10, 2013 at 10:56 pm

        How can you charge AGAIN for “maybe” other work they could have been doing at that time?

        I get the impression that count is in there because Associated was led to believe it was a long-term contract.

        In the music entertainment industry, when there are bookings for say, every Friday for the next 3 months, the entertainer might have to turn down other gigs. Then BOOM, after the first 3 wks the place stops paying you and by the 5th wk, you decide you are no longer going to work for free. Meanwhile, those gig offers you turned down are booked by someone else.

        Idk, but it seems to me that O’Mara didn’t sign the agreement because he knew the money was not going to be there to pay them in the long-term.

      • Lonnie Starr says:
        January 11, 2013 at 6:04 am

        I think this is an attempt to get punitive damages. I don’t think punitive damages are allowed in this type of case, so they’ve simply fashioned an argument to ask for them, in a way that gets around the legal barrier.

        Hey, as long as your employer pays you, you don’t have a problem. But, if your employer were to not pay you and require you to go into court to seek your pay, wouldn’t you seek to make them pay extra for your added trouble? Then if a settlement is to be negotiated, you want a higher amount to be on the table than just the pay that you’re due, without compensation for the angst and trouble you experienced having to go into court.

  17. Malisha says:
    January 10, 2013 at 10:44 am

    THE STORY OF MISTER BOODaLEER.

    On time Mister Boodaleer was minding his own business.

    A creepy old Fogen, who always was up to no good, came by.

    Mizz Corey told Boodaleer “go get that no good Fogen and prosecute him,” so he did.

    Old Fogen, he scream and holler and he try to trick Boodaleer.
    Mister Boodaleer, he juss keep on prosecutin’.

    Old Fogen he got him some buddies named Taffey and Gaffey and they scream and yell and holler and pretty soon they raise a ruckus.
    Mister Boodaleer, he juss keep on prosecutin’.

    Old Fogen he got him a whole treehouse fulla ninnybirds and they be squalkin and a’squeakin’ and a tweeting and a shrieking.

    Mister Boodaleer, he juss keep on prosecutin’.

    Old Fogen he got him a bunch of derrshinks and Merrtinks and a Hurley-Burley-Turley and they started up a rousin’ and carrousin’ and blouzin’ and brou-ha-housin’.

    Mister Boodaleer, he juss keep on prosecutin’. …

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  18. Frederick Leatherman says:
    January 10, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    New Post Up:

    Open Thread: Thursday, January 10, 2013

    (Introduction contains some announcements and links)

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  19. Lonnie Starr says:
    January 10, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    follow

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