Zimmerman: LLM Papa Is Back In The House With Rocket Man

Papa skewers George Zimmerman’s story one more time.

Take a look at this hilarious video:

462 Responses to Zimmerman: LLM Papa Is Back In The House With Rocket Man

  1. Brown says:

    Boy Oh Boy!
    LLMPapa Rocks!!!

  2. Relentless. More, please.

    Tweeted.

  3. jm says:

    LLMPapa is brilliant and hilarious at the same time.

    I pray Team GZ and his supporters hanging in the tree house see this video.

    • Two sides to a story says:

      They can’t resist.

      • racerrodig says:

        Think I’ll venture over to the Huff ‘n Puff cesspool and see if the hornets are all stirred up over that yet.

        You would not believe what the call LLMPapa and our beloved Professor……….and anyone on Team Trayvon for that matter.

  4. Rachael says:

    Thank you!

  5. Malisha says:

    Love IT, vote for LLMPapa, Brilliant! (Especially love the little lime green car rushing to catch up with flying Trayvon!)

    Now we know George’s true motive; he didn’t want an African American kid from Florida to grow up to be the world’s fastest skipper!

  6. Lynn says:

    Breaking News…
    State Attorney Angela Corey is having a news conference today at 11 a.m. in regards to a seven-month, multi-agency investigation.

    http://tinyurl.com/bfnxn9s

    • Brown says:

      Thanks LYnn,

      Wondering what that is all about?…….

      • Lynn says:

        Bernie messed up. Any rational person knows he didn’t “leak” the names on purpose. He thought he’s sneak one over through a court filing of all things??? No. O’Mara, your attempt to become holier than thou by “blogging” YESTERDAY that you will now release BOTH sides documents on your website because of critics comments is BS. Stating that you won’t post this one up because you want to reemphasize that it’s violating a court order…BS. We’re onto you. Anything to get a chance to give your opinion in the social media. You got this last week…now, all of a sudden you think yesterday that you’ll include both sides from now on. Quit “blogging” and get some real work done!

        On a side note…I read that filing last week and was googling names to see who they were…not even noticing that NAMES were included. You can tell I don’t speak “legal”. lol Just an interested clueless outsider.

      • Jun says:

        They are just George’s neighbors and the DOJ Agents

        I dont think it is a big deal

        Omara did that with his sepilatptic whatever motion

    • leander22 says:

      It’s around that time from my perspective way over the big ocean. Any chance to watch it online?

    • leander22 says:

      Brown, I mean no harm to Bernie de la Rionda, but if what the Orlando Sentinel reports is correct, that is not bad news. BDLR does not seem up to the task from my limited nitwit curiosity perspective…. So far I agree with the other camp.

    • Pins and needles time.

      Is this being televised?

      Can we watch it live stream on the net?

      • Brown says:

        some direction please, can’t find anywhere on cable tv

      • Lynn says:

        Not finding anything local. We have a news at noon show here in Jacksonville. WJXT. I’m hoping to see some coverage there.

      • leander22 says:

        Frederick, I spread some misguided rumors about Jeralyn Merrit, fast assumptions why she stopped picking up on the latest reports on the case, considering she was pretty reliable in this context, which in a way may or may not have been a surrender to group dynamics here.

        My thesis is now is, at least for the time being, that she surrendered to the demand by defense. .Which can be read as that the pro-Zimmerman camp should surrender to O’Mara’s or Zimmerman’s lead, and leave discussions to them.

        Notice, this is in no way representative, but Jeralyn stopped at Oct 31, and this supporter>stopped at Oct 30 I doubt many others will, but the more polite basis may follow the hint.

        Strictly I had not much time to ponder my latest thesis, since I had to look into security issues on my laptop. And no, I am not paranoid, but some things puzzle me. So please kids out there, i would be very pleased if your Internet scan tools shows you I am online and additionally have a security vulnerability. Have some respect for the group of people that native Americans call elders.

      • Xena says:

        Just because the State released a witness list with names does not mean that the media has to release it. What MOM is doing by saying he is going to post that document on his website is what is disturbing.

    • grahase says:

      Identity theft ring, not GZ.

  7. Oh buddy! What now with BDLR! We just do not have time for these kinds of elementary mistakes! Stop the darned slapdash work! THIS CASE CANNOT BE COMPROMISED DUE TO INCOMPETENCE! Enough already with the “mistakes.”

  8. ellejay says:

    –the angela corey PC: (isn’t related to trayvon’s case.)

    http://www.news4jax.com/

    WATCH LIVE: State Attorney announces arrests in ID theft ring

    State Attorney Angela Corey provides details of a multi-state, multi-agency investigation with at least 185 victims.

  9. Lynn says:

    Well, at least we found some new info. lol Back to your regularly scheduled program…LLMPapa with Rocket Man.

  10. BREAKING NEWS:

    Nov 15 (Reuters) – British oil company BP Plc pleaded guilty on Thursday to criminal charges relating to its 2010 oil spill and agreed to pay an extra $4.5 billion on top of the tens of billions it is already paying out.

  11. whonoze says:

    The confidentiality of witness ID’s is pretty much of a joke, anyway. the police leave enough info un-redacted that anyone with the proper Google skills can figure out who most of these folks are. Of W1-W22 the only one whose real name I don’t know is W3 — (she rented her home in RATL so she doesn’t show up on real estate lists.) AFAIK, most of the other folks who’ve really dug into the evidence have also ID’ed everyone but W3.

    FWIW, this makes it especially unethical IMHO that Jeralyn Merrit refers to W18 as ‘the hysterical teacher.’ I know Jeralyn knows W18′s real name, and anyone with that knowledge can do a little Google on her, which would reveal that she’s led a life of substantive accomplishments and is used to NOT blinking in the face of adversity. Thus, i believe Merrit knows, or should know, that she is falsely assasinating this woman’s character. W18 expressed her emotions in her 911 call, but if you listen carefully to what she says, you reaiize she had her cognitive faculties fully under control, reporting everything she saw, but being careful not to draw rash conclusions from things she could not see clearly.

    • Xena says:

      I posted that on another thread, and some said they were unable to watch because they didn’t want to see GZ’s face again. Not watching, they missed the humor in it. So, here it is again.

      • OMG this song!! don’t laugh, but is famous?? cas i swear i’ve heard it before! somewhere! it’s prolly the damn national anthem and i didn’t pay attention in 4th period chorus!

        about the video; you gotta make GZ’s eyes flip to the back of his stupid, empty head! remember?? yes, his beady little creepy eyes do shift side to side, but even stranger, they actually appear to flicker and roll completely backwards, and do so super fast you might not catch it though..next time keep watching his eyes, or look at, i think, the 1st bail hearing when he’s in jail blues next to the lawyers!

  12. colin black says:

    Done it me ownsome…………

  13. Malisha says:

    Whonose, can you tell me how to find out who actually owned 1950 Retreat View Circle on 2/26/2012? Thanks.

  14. FactsFirst says:

    AWESOME!!!! Papa don’t take NO MESS!

  15. racerrodig says:

    I wonder how good Z can sing “…Nobody knows, the trouble I’m in, nobody knows my sorrow” Yeah, I changed the words, that what I do !
    or

    Come here Zimmy Bubba’s in the swing
    Ain’t to hip ’bout that new breed Zim
    This ain’t no drag
    Bubba’s got a brand new bag…………..yeah !

    Come o’er here Zimmy and dig this scene
    He’s not too fancy and his line’s not clean
    Zimmy don’t you brag
    Bubba’s got a brand new bag………..yeah !

    Zim’s being a jerk He ain’t real fly
    Don’t be so cheap and he is real shy
    He’s called me a monkey, eats mashed potato’s …Jump back Zim….
    I’ll feed ya to the alligators

    Ain’t no thing…..Bubba’s gotta a brand new bag.

    In the key of “E”

  16. colin black says:

    GZ is a walking sgrooge he got a hefty windfall 12 grand iirc from a previous employer.Some lawsuit pertaining to overtime or lack of .Anyway he goes to one off those win or bust law firms to persue his claim..Long story short he wins his case.After a few months his lawers wonder why they have not been paid there commision 4 grand so write a letter of complaint to the defendants asking them to cough up.They write back informing them GZ had been paid in full months prior.

    • Jun says:

      Kind of sounds like what George did with his donations and screwing Omara on representing his dumbass

    • Xena says:

      GZ is a walking sgrooge he got a hefty windfall 12 grand iirc from a previous employer.Some lawsuit pertaining to overtime or lack of .

      It was $18,000 in July 2011, and the Friday before GZ launched his begging site, his lawyer filed papers reporting that he learned from the bankruptcy trustee in the Aames bankruptcy case that GZ received the check in July 2011. You can see 2 of the pertinent case documents (including the signed check) at:
      http://blackbutterfly7.wordpress.com/2012/09/06/deception-of-a-potted-palm/

      • Lynn says:

        July 2011 he is given 18 thousand dollars…and yet several months later he is behind on credit cards, school loans, rent, car/truck payments, takes a loan from Mommy Dearest, and claims to be broke in front of the court to get a low bond. Where did this money go???
        (I’ll admit. My evil first thought was actually, “George shouldn’t spend all his money at one Pill Mill in Fl.”)

        • Xena says:

          July 2011 he is given 18 thousand dollars…and yet several months later he is behind on credit cards, school loans, rent, car/truck payments, takes a loan from Mommy Dearest, and claims to be broke in front of the court to get a low bond. Where did this money go???
          (I’ll admit. My evil first thought was actually, “George shouldn’t spend all his money at one Pill Mill in Fl.”)

          That’s the thing Lynn. What does GZ have to show for the money? He might have purchased a car for ShelLIE or made a downpayment on his own truck. However, knowing that he owed a fine and attorney fees, did not pay them and actually kept his receipt of the money secret from his attorney is what tells about his character.

          Btw, I thought about the drug thing too.

        • jm says:

          Thanks for the link. Looks like GZ has always been shady/devious (since age 8 at least when he molested his cousin) and now he is a murderer. If he isn’t sent to prison for murder 2, heaven knows what he evil he will do next.

    • ladystclaire says:

      Wouldn’t it be nice if that lawyer stick it to him now with everything else he has on his fat ass.

      • Xena says:

        Wouldn’t it be nice if that lawyer stick it to him now with everything else he has on his fat ass.

        It was my impression that the lawyer no doubt contacted GZ by phone about fees he promised to pay from the lawsuit, and that is what really spurred GZ into action to launch his begging site. By the time that significant donations were submitted, GZ was in jail and had to supervise ShelLIE on what to pay, not telling her about the lawyer fees he owed. (It might have been too difficult to talk about that in code since he apparently hid that info from her.)

        When he was released on bond, he could not let the cat out of the bag then because MOM took control of the donations.

        That lawyer has option of contacting MOM to pay his fees from the allowance for GZ’s living expenses. With GZ being in an undisclosed location, he would not be able to serve GZ with summons.

    • jm says:

      Lots of Freudian slips by GZ.

      • racerrodig says:

        Sigmund is up there in the Heaves saying…..I knew it……I knew I was right…….keep it up George..prove I was right !!

    • gbrbsb says:

      “To see who else was… ”

      Could be referring to Shelly, or could it be:

      Trayvon was looking around “to see who/what else could the guy in the car be looking at?”

      I know from experience that´s what I would do; my first thought if I was on a lonely street at night and I realised a stranger was looking at me from a car and I had done nothing to merit his attention would be to assume he must be looking at someone or something else. Then if I couldn´t see anything that could merit his attention I would think, “oh, they must be looking at me”… and I would start to get worried and even scared and pick up my pace.

    • gbrbsb says:

      I love all your work Papa, so far be it from me to suggest any ideas ´cos your doing a real good job all on your ownsome, but in a thread below you note:

      “George seems to have a lil voice inside wanting to come out and say something”.

      and thanks to you George´s lil ol voice is coming out so perhaps when you have all GZ´s many projections/slips you could maybe edit them in one “ordago” of a video for a final “coup de grace” !

  17. LLMPapa says:

    Makes you wonder……

    • Brown says:

      It really does make me wonder….

      • Malisha says:

        George just seems like a fraud-of-convenience kinda guy, and a manipulative “poor me somebody done me wrong” kinda guy, and a “let me splain you how it was the other guy’s fault” kinda guy, and a tattle tale, and a busy body and a cheat and a self-important self-righteous self-referential self-aggrandizing little sycophantic suck-up. Other than that he seems like a pretty nice guy. But you don’t want to run into him alone in an alley at night. If he’s carrying.

    • groans says:

      To see who else was stalking him?

      Or, to see who else was suspiciously “walking” in the rain?

      Or to see who else was suspiciously “running” in the rain?

      No … not running (definitely not running, though I made have said running, but definitely not in any “fear”) … but who else was suspiciously “skipping” in the rain?

      • Xena says:

        GZ said “I passed him” and then “He was staring at me.” I wonder how GZ could see that Trayvon was staring at him and what else he was doing since he had PASSED him.

      • racerrodig says:

        The Shadow Knows !

      • LLMPapa says:

        George seems to have a lil voice inside wanting to come out and say something, LOL. I’m sorta wondering if the voice meant to see who else was in the truck with him.

        There’s 4 or 5 deals like this in the reenactment vid alone.

      • PYorck says:

        George seems to have a lil voice inside wanting to come out and say something, LOL.

        I think that is a side effect of his seemingly compulsive lying. Those things seem like little hedges throughout his account. Normally he would use those if he had to adjust his tale later. (“But I mentioned my wife/the mail/the sign!”) Unfortunately for him now he is charged with murder, everything he says is recorded and people actually pay attention. That makes it a bit harder to bullshit his way out of this one, but his usual strategies are still second nature.

      • gbrbsb says:

        @Xena

        “I wonder how GZ could see that Trayvon was staring at him and what else he was doing since he had PASSED him”.

        And it´s on a bend where he claims he first saw Trayvon.

        Options:
        A) Shelly drove.
        B) GZ drove but Shelly looked back and told him
        C) GZ (w/wo Shelly) drove past, u-turned, & drove back
        D) GZ (w/wo) Shelly drove past, parked and watched
        E) GZ has an independent set of eyes in the back of his head

        • racerrodig says:

          I’ll take “Lying Rat Bastards” for $5,000.00 Alex

          Think about how far this has come since the March “I was attacked” claim. Osterman, Taaffe, family connections, corruption, ineptitude, lying lawyers, deceitful websites, race baiting hate mongers, SheLie, perjury and on & on.
          The one constant is the class that Trayvon’s parents have shown throughout.

        • Xena says:

          @gbrbsb. I don’t think GZ parked at the clubhouse as he said in his re-enactment. If he was so suspicious of Trayvon, why would he pull up at the clubhouse, leaving Trayvon behind him? Trayvon could have gone in another direction. If he didn’t live there, he could have left. Nah. GZ saw Trayvon in the mail shed. Like he told Hannity, Trayvon didn’t look like someone who came to get their mail and run back to get out of the rain.

          • gbrbsb says:

            @Xena
            I was working to your idea that if GZ passed Trayvon, how could he see he was staring at him.

            However… now you bring up “where” GZ first saw Trayvon… that´s a difficult one !? I agree it most probably was not Taffe´s house, at least not the way GZ claims as timing just rips that poss to pieces but otherwise my bets are still off.

            On the one hand Trent finds lights of 1 or 2 cars pulling into the CH (in a reply to me Trent said he wasn´t sure if GZ parked in battery at the CH as he claims or parallel but he is certain at least one car parked there and almost sure two, the first more time than the second). Trent even found car doors opening and closing giving the theory MO or GZ got into the other´s car. Trent also follows the lights of a car turning onto TTL through all the CCTVs.

            On the other hand Whonoze and co (Tchoupi etc.) don´t find GZ stops/parks at the clubhouse at all… Whonoze is adamant about this as he is with all he works on (to be fair to him he is really good at what he does albiet a tad of flexibility might not go amiss) and their map traces GZ driving slowly up RVC and doing 2 u-turns back and forth before slowly turning on to TTL. BUT after I missed several days on the blog to my surprise I saw Whonoze advancing a new theory, i.e. that GZ first saw Trayvon at the mailboxes while driving East on RVC debunking not only Trent´s but also his own & Tchoupi´s theory of the up and down and u-turns.

            So where… Taffe´s, mailboxes or even another? The timeline certainly fits better with the mailboxes but IMHO it doesn´t fit with GZ driving East on RVC because the shrubbery on the corner would impede vision to the mailboxes which are set back behind it. And then what about all the lights Tchoupi and Co and Trent found… does that mean they all irrelevant?

            All I know is I don´t know! My bets are probably with you on the Mailboxes but not as a first siting from RVC, more likely that GZ, MO, Shelly or another spotted Trayvon at the MBs driving in through the gate informed GZ and he met up with MO at the clubhouse to decide course of action and it went from there…. just another idea! Maybe once DK has filmed more all the boffins will run it with the timeline and come to yet another conclusion… or maybe even several…!!!

          • When playing the who-is-behind-the-headlight game, we must not forget that we are dealing with a short period of time between 6:45 and 7:15 pm on a Sunday night when various residents and their guests may have been coming or going for any number of reasons, including to watch the NBA All Star Game.

            Granted, I cannot imagine why anyone would park at the Clubhouse, but some innocent motorists with no connection to this matter may have motored by the Clubhouse in either direction.

            Unless one set of headlights can be distinguished from another and matched to a specific vehicle, it’s going to be difficult to match a set of headlights to a particular individual.

            We do have Zimmerman’s statement that he pulled in and parked at the Clubhouse briefly and, if we assume he was telling the truth about that, we can surmise that the cameras recorded that event and we can go from there to wherever that leads us.

            However, absent some independent corroboration of the identity or identities of the driver(s) and occupant(s) of those vehicle(s), I am not sure where this evidence gets us.

            I prefer using the phone calls to establish a timeline of events and work with that to demonstrate Zimmerman’s lies.

          • gbrbsb says:

            Absolutely Prof… that´s why my bets are not on any one theory… me´s just listening, watching, and waiting to see if something comes up that solidly confirms whatever… as I said the only thing I know is that I don´t know! That said, just to devilishly throw one more cat among the whatsits… I believe both Trent and Tchoupi and co. have captured what looks like the wheels of his truck in the window… ha ha

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            If I have to guess, I’m pretty sure Tchoupi used the NEN call to determine that the car that parked at the clubhouse would not have been GZ, because the NEN call or the walk through would have placed his car somewhere else at the time. Trent Sawyer, however, I do believe, is also meticulous enough to discern between someone mere coursing thru the area and where GZ is most likely to be.

            I prefer to wait for them to resolve these clashing issues. But Tchoupi appears to have gone missing. Either he’s working hard at his job, or he’s working on it. NLME on Bcclist.com has his email address, but NLME hasn’t posted either for some time. But they’re the best bet we have to sort this out, since they have the collection of data and necessary software and skills already in place, as well as a good handle and familiarity of the problem. We’ll just have to wait and hope.

          • Xena says:

            I was working to your idea that if GZ passed Trayvon, how could he see he was staring at him.

            Gbrbsb, it might be beneficial to remain on the fact that GZ could not have seen Trayvon staring at him since he said that he had passed Trayvon and parked at the clubhouse. Also, if it happened that way, GZ would have no idea which way Trayvon would have walked from Taaffe’s. To say it another way, there was no guarantee that Trayvon was going to walk to the clubhouse. This is sufficient to make GZ’s story unbelievable.

            Personally, I tend to lean towards Trent’s presentation of GZ’s movements because he shows and not just tells. Trent goes from one door or window to the next, describing what he sees. In one, he says that Trayvon just walked past and sure enough, I see someone walk past the door with headlights slowly following them.

            As far as two cars at the clubhouse, I listened to GZ’s re-enactment where he says where he parked and added that he didn’t know if the truck parked there, at that moment, was there or not. IOWs, GZ hints that there may have been another vehicle parked at the clubhouse other than the one he was driving.

            I’m pondering the idea that Osterman originally followed Trayvon in Osterman’s vehicle. GZ and Shellie met up with Osterman at the clubhouse and Shellie got into Osterman’s truck. When Trayvon came out of the mail shed to continue his walk home, and saw another truck take off behind him, or course he would “check” it out because it was a different vehicle but the driver looked the same. On a dark night inside a vehicle, Osterman and GZ resemble each other.

          • gbrbsb says:

            @Xena: “Gbrbsb, it might be beneficial to remain on the fact that GZ could not have seen Trayvon staring at him since he said that he had passed Trayvon and parked at the clubhouse.”

            Xena, sorry if I did not explain myself properly but methinks you misunderstand me! My reply giving options A to E was tongue in cheek… it´s that ol dry British humour which I´m obviously not too good at! I agree with you, GZ couldn´t have seen Trayvon staring at him if he had passed him but the same as you and others, I am not convinced GZ was alone… thus the options I put forward all relied on someone else… except the last which of course was an outright joke! I do think Trayvon probably stared at him or whoever… I would have too and as I noted in another post I would have also “looked around the houses” to see if GZ or whoever was looking at me or something else. Hope that clarifies.

          • Xena says:

            My reply giving options A to E was tongue in cheek… it´s that ol dry British humour which I´m obviously not too good at

            Sorry. I love the dry British humor. Just note that you are speaking Benny Hill style. :-)

            I believe that someone started out with GZ, but he followed, confronted, and killed Trayvon on his own. It is also my impression that GZ’s phone records reveal text messages between him and Osterman. IDK, but I can’t see why the prosecution would think to obtain the videos from M&I Bank without good reason.

          • gbrbsb says:

            @Xena: “I believe that someone started out with GZ, but he followed…”

            Yes, yes & yes, I concur with all.

      • groans says:

        Regarding Trent’s clubhouse video analysis: I have a hard time following it all, but was able to follow parts of it, and those parts made sense. But someone else used some of the same videos as Trent to make similar points. And that person brightened the video a lot (and I mean, A LOT).

        In the much brightened footage, even I could clearly see a person – wearing a red jacket and blue jeans and carrying a flashlight – walk past one of the clubhouse doorways! (I believe it was the east doorway?)

        Trent had said that GZ was visible walking past that door, too, but Trent’s eyes are apparently better than mine. However, having seen the brightened footage, it looked clear to me that Trent was correct – that GZ was filmed walking past a CH doorway.

        I can’t remember now where I saw the “brightened” footage. But if I can find it again, I’ll post back. (There’s a good chance I got a link from someone’s post on this site. Anyone remember seeing it and where?)

      • groans says:

        @Brown – I think this might be the video (not 100% sure):

        But now I have to add a couple of disclaimers to what I said above:

        - Looking at it just now, I’d hardly describe it as “clear”!
        - Also, it doesn’t identify the footage as being 2/26/12, but I thought it was when I first saw it, and the comments suggest such, too. I think that was right after I viewed Trent’s videos – and the flashing lights in the “dark” version looked familiar.

        I’d sure prefer to see a Trent or LLMPapa video with such a “brightened” view, because I’d feel more confident about the product…

    • groans says:

      (There doesn’t seem to be much that someone can do non-suspiciously in the rain – in the World According to Genius.)

      • racerrodig says:

        I tried to walk suspiciously. I walked, I ran….then after his Hannity interview I even skipped. I skipped slow, I skipped fast. Everyone said I did not look suspicious.
        So I repeated this test in the rain….No Good. It was unanimous, nothing suspicious at all.

        You lose George..

        • jm says:

          I have never in my life seen a suspicious skipper, rain or shine, day or night.

          • Brown says:

            Skipping = to me happy, great day, im in love, don’t have a care in the world, joy, for the sheer feel of it.

          • jm says:

            I get why GZ needed to change his story of Trayvon running away but did the bozo think how stupid it would sound to say a skipping person looked suspicious? Did he run the skipping story by MOM or Hannity?

            I think of the Wizard of Oz, so happy to be off to see the Wizard and skipping down the yellow brick road.

            What an evil goon GZ is.

          • Brown says:

            I think Hannity and O’mara CRINGED when he said that. You can see it in their faces. IMO, GZ thinks of himself as a star, a somebody, a person who can easily explain himself and Make you see it his way. He’s been doing for quite some time in his life. BUT , it is not the same in front of a camera. Even with him knowing the questions that Hannity was going to asked, he still fucked it up. He was so giddy being there on a set with Hannity that he couldn’t keep a straight face. He tried, but the elevation of stardom in his eyes of course was just to much for his brain to take. After that interview it was downhill for his supporters, they started taking the view ok we know he’s done, let’s just use this to project onward our own hatred and racism. We don’t really care about him anymore, but by talking about him lets us spew filth and garbage and hate about everything else.

            I am rambling but yes the two statements that cooked his goose for primetime at least was:

            It was more like skipping.

            It was all God’s plan.

          • jm says:

            You have analyzed GZ situation perfectly.

            One other thing on that interview that cooked his goose for me is he had no regrets. You kill someone who obviously wasn’t a suspicious burglar up to no good and you have no regrets for killing him?????

          • Brown says:

            Whoops!
            I did mean to put that in.
            Its three things for sure

          • racerrodig says:

            Anything’s possible when you use God as an alibi. I wonder when the last time his fat ass graced a pew. Baptism would be my guest irregardless of the “Strict Catholic Upbringing” claim. But that just me.

          • Xena says:

            What GZ told the prosecutors in his Hannity interview is that:
            1. He believed Trayvon was bluffing — wasn’t actually a “thug”, and;
            2. Not being a “thug” posed no threat to him, and;
            3. He was not afraid of Trayvon when he followed him because;
            4. He knew that he was carrying a loaded gun, which he did not regret carrying although he “felt” Trayvon saw it, and;
            5. If not but for the fact that he had his loaded gun (which he did not regret carrying), it would not have become THE gun that decided who lived and died that night.

          • Brown says:

            Which is why it was entered into evidence by the state, I can not wait for Bernie to play that for the jury.

            : ^ )))

          • racerrodig says:

            I’ll bet that the jury is heard laughing from the hallway while in deliberations.

          • racerrodig says:

            I’ll go one farther….one will belt out “….he expects us to believe what…..A hahahahahahaha (sound of 200 lb man falling off chair)”

          • racerrodig says:

            June 10th, 2013…..coming light a freight train from hell George.

          • jm says:

            I love the facial expressions on the GZ Hannity interview with his crazy eyes and smirk. Put those together with his change in his story that the “suspect” was skipping, GZ assuring everyone that Trayvon was not running out of fear with his lack of remorse and blaming God’s plan for Trayvon’s murder, he should be in prison IF the prosecution does not screw up their presentation. For the life of me I can’t see how Hannity continued the interview with a straight face or MOM didn’t get up and walk away from this bozo client.

          • Brown says:

            He did keep a straight face, but Hannity’s eyes would open up in dumb amazement when he said stupid things.

          • racerrodig says:

            Moron O’ Mara probably was under the influence of something since he knew his nitwit, er, client was liable to blurt out anything and man….he didn’t disappoint on that count !!

            However, I didn’t keep a straight face….nope….not a chance. My wife still laughs at what I said about that one.

            Maybe God was skipping ?? Hey, it’s Zimmerman !!

          • racerrodig says:

            …he was skipping angrily, but not out of fear. There Mark, did I cover all my bases ? See, I told you I wouldn’t f it up.

          • racerrodig says:

            It’s never, ever a good idea to use God as an alibi……..never.

          • racerrodig says:

            When my wife & I heard him emote the words “…more like skipping…” I lost it. And the way he rolled his fat head around when he said it was the capper !!

            An all time low by a gutter brain. “He skipped…..therefore I shoot”

          • racerrodig says:

            I said that to the Zidiot’s on Huff ‘n Puff….wow, the hatred over that comment.

          • Brown says:

            Really… What were some responses…curious…

          • racerrodig says:

            i was called what every Zidiot states when you have a valid point, then they ripped that skipping is a version or running,so I copied & pasted the definition which was with retaliated what a moron I am since thugs don’t skip and are never happy.
            Of course I then quoted the skippy line from his interview and a few stated he never said that.
            Needless to say I retaliated in my own inimitable way with the only thug involved survived.
            The bottom line came down to my have all the facts and still being the idiot according to the Zidiot Nation. Then I was accused of being a thug and a thug cultivator. Then I went the Z arrest record as proof he has the violent tendencies which was met with the erroneous yet obligatory “..he wasn’t convicted so it didn’t really happen..” route.

            Skipping = Happy & Carefree to the real world
            Skipping = Aggressive and Angry Behavior to the Zidiot Nation.

            Imagine what they teach in Kindergarten ?? Just sayin ‘

          • racerrodig says:

            I can’t wait for him to say Trayvon was skipping angrily down the walkway…..very angrily….um…..like all gangsta thugs do.
            Do hardcore bikers skip ?? Just askin’

          • racerrodig says:

            that seems to be the consensus. Bye Bye Georgie !!

      • ladystclaire says:

        He actually needs all the help he can possibly get from the Wizard of oz! anybody who sits in front of TV cameras and say something like that for everybody to hear, he needs a brain for sure.

        • Brown says:

          Tied together very nicely LadyStClaire

          • racerrodig says:

            Oz !! Did I hear someone say “Pay no attention to that coward behind the curtain”

            (GZ)
            Oh I’d while away the hours
            because I am a coward
            out stalking in the rain

            and my head I’ll be scratchin’
            while my lies are busy hatchin’
            If I only had a brain

            I can tell you any riddle
            convince you it’s ’bout Skittles
            I simply have no brain

            (SheLie)
            With the thoughts that you’d be thinkin’
            you’d convince me you’re like Lincoln
            If you only had a brain

            (GZ)
            Oh. I…..would tell you why
            I’m lying ’bout the store
            I will tell you lies you never heard before
            then I’ll sit…..and tell some more

            I used to be a nuthin’
            but my head’s still full of stuffn’
            You’re hearts now full of pain

            You will dance and all be merry
            when the jury’s laughin’ at me
            Cause I simply have no brain
            If I only had a brain
            if I only had a brain

            In the key of “G”

          • Brown says:

            you are so funny!!!

          • racerrodig says:

            My son and I played it on guitar as part of the lessons I give him under the “Cover Version” part. It works !! He and his band want to play it in the talent show !!

            I love working with lyrics…that only took a minute.

      • jo says:

        i will never get past his claim that even though the person brutally attacking him fell face first into the grass, and GZ then jumped on him because he didn’t really think he shot him even though he had the clearness of mind to make sure he didn’t shoot his own hand, but shoot past his hand (while having a tight grip on trayvons shirt i’d suspect)..and then got up, holstered his gun, walked around a bit,got photo’s taken etc etc….but at no point while this child was laying lifeless face first in the grass did he think he actually hurt him…no apparently george thought that trayvon was laying lifeless through everything because he finally submitted to georges authority…such a load of bullshit….

        that and when he was asked if he could somehow see how his actions of following a kid at night and getting out of his car to pursue him may somehow scare the “suspect”…but no, nothing he did might have led Trayvon to be a little scared of anything he did. Wanker.

        • racerrodig says:

          I laugh at the thought of him blowing his left hand apart, and trying to say it was self defense. His insistence on selling us on the details is a killer.
          “Damn ….almost blew some digits off”
          “Show us how”
          “Well, um…I had my grip on his hoodie like this……hey, wait, are you trying to trick me into admitting…”
          “No George, it’s called a “confirmation”

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            If you are in the process of defending yourself against an imminently dangerous person who can do you either great bodily harm or kill you, you do not have one hand holding his clothing while your other hand is filled with a deadly weapon you are taking aim with.

            If that person is so dangerous, then you need to be stepping quickly backwards away from them and firing only because they are advancing. By holding them close you are admitting that you do not consider them to be a danger to yourself.

            Anyone have those prize fight weight class tables to post here?
            My guess is of TM’s 155 lbs, it’s 135 lbs of bone, and organs, and ~20lbs of muscle. To be a credible opponent to GZ he needs at least another 30 to 40 lbs of muscle. Otherwise he can do little more than lift about 5 to 10 lbs and it’s a struggle for him to do that. While GZ is able to lift and manipulate between 50 to 60 lbs easily and probably handle 80 to 120 lbs effectively. That’s the kind of advantage GZ has and any medical/physical evaluator of his physical condition will testify to that.

          • racerrodig says:

            You would be 100 % correct on all counts. The “I was so scared of him I grabbed his hoodie for support” ain’t gonna make it. There is no way that can be explained away. The left hand comment….what a JA for even going that way.

            So it comes back to

            Officer “Mr. Zimmerman, you have the right to remain silent….”

            Z “…….um, okay, but why would I do that……I have so many more versions to tell you”

          • Brown says:

            @Lonnie,
            Not only size, but age should be a factor.
            That’s like putting Mayweather against Lennox Lewis

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            You are correct and 11 years does make a difference because, as we learn from professional fighters, youths don’t gain sufficient muscle control and coordination until the 18th year, which is why they don’t have them fighting at the pro level until then.
            I didn’t mention it yet, because I don’t believe in “unloading the gun” every time a chance to fire it comes along, so to speak. On usenet and in Pershing and Washington Square debates, you learn to always hold back something to clobber the naysayers with later on. :-D

          • Brown says:

            Gotcha. Will remember that. save it,then clobber with it. Hey that’s a woman’s move. hahahah

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            Depends on how you “clobber” em. I don’t remember many women joining in debates in the park, a few did. But the problem with women is, when they’re winning a point, they do it by coming upon you with stealth and then presenting so lightly that they make men feel foolish! Men don’t mind being conquered, but the hate being made to look foolish, that makes them mad as hell.

            When you “clobber” them, hit them resoundingly hard, so that they they look to the world like they’ve been beaten. That’s okay, because in a battle someone has to win. But to make them look foolish, well, foolish isn’t something that has to happen. It isn’t a win/lose thing, it’s something that has been contrived by someone who set a trap. Don’t spring the trap and leave your opponent standing there trapped and helpless, go in for the kill and give them an “honorable death”. It’s more merciful, but for some reason women don’t see it that way, they seem to think it’s more merciful to leave their opponents looking alive and foolish. It is not, so men hate and fear debating with women because women don’t go in for the quick kill when they get the upper hand. They just leave you standing there looking foolish. Lol.

      • racer…..Talking on a phone while walking is not too difficult.
        Talking on a phone while running is a bit more difficult
        because a persons body is being jostled with each
        running step.
        Talking on a phone while skipping would be very difficult
        because a person is “bouncing” along….not to
        mention, it’s a very ineffective way to get away from
        a “creepy looking” character.
        Try talking and skipping at the same time……then
        again, maybe I can’t do it because the old body feels
        like it’s falling apart as I bounce along…..lol

        • Xena says:

          Try talking and skipping at the same time……

          HA! Try talking when your head is hitting the sidewalk, much less screaming “help” as loud as you can.

          • racerrodig says:

            And those are good reason for the prosecution to use demonstrations. Better yet……Z can demonstrate.

        • racerrodig says:

          I can see Z testifying in song & dance fashion similar to his dog & pony show.

          He’s skipping in the the rain…….just skipping in the rain
          Suspicious he is…..just skipping away
          What a glorious feelin’ ….I’m med – i – ca – ted
          So dark up above…… there’s hate in my heart
          I’m stalking about….just lurking around
          Just skipping…….in……the……rain !!

      • Xena…..Exactly…..Trayvon would have had difficulty talking on the phone and skipping at the same time…….and as far as Georgie is concerned…..it seems “a bit” impossible that he could have yelled for help while having his mouth and nose covered by the same hands that supposedly were banging his head on the sidewalk….lol.

        • Xena says:

          it seems “a bit” impossible that he could have yelled for help while having his mouth and nose covered by the same hands that supposedly were banging his head on the sidewalk….lol.

          LOL. Even if GZ’s mouth and nose weren’t covered, it would still be hard crying for help with your head hitting the concrete from a distance far enough and slammed hard enough to make your head fill like it was going to explode.

          By accident, a 2 liter soft drink bottle fell on my head once. The pain was stunning. I couldn’t speak nor move.

          • racerrodig says:

            Exactly. He never thinks anyone will say something to the effect..
            “Really….your nose and mouth are covered yet you yelled unimpeded for 40 seconds in a high pitched kids voice. Wow”

            Did the soda bottle break ?? I had an engine stand break and a 400 Chevy block landed on my right foot…my foot broke, the block………..not so much.

          • Xena says:

            Did the soda bottle break ?? I had an engine stand break and a 400 Chevy block landed on my right foot…my foot broke, the block………..not so much.

            No, it was a plastic 2 liter bottle. I did taste blood. My husband called the doctor, left a message and when his office called back, they said to keep me awake in the event of a concussion and apply an ice pack to my head. If couldn’t stay awake or my nose began to bleed, to come to the ER. It didn’t break the skin, but left one hell of a bump.

          • racerrodig says:

            All that and the bottles was plastic, not concrete. At least you didn’t say your head was about to explode.

          • Xena says:

            All that and the bottles was plastic, not concrete. At least you didn’t say your head was about to explode.

            We had just came from the grocery store. I was bent down in the refrigerator section for veggies putting up groceries and my husband placed the 2 liter soft drink bottle on the top of the fridge. He reached above me to open the freezer section of the fridge, and the bottle fell — he had not put it back far enough so it was actually resting partly on the freezer door.

            That was about a 5 ft drop to the top of my head. It was a stunning pain. I punished him for the next 2 mths — he waited on me hands and feet. :-)

          • racerrodig says:

            Yeeesshh That sounds very painful…….the waiting you you hands & feet part that is………..just kidding ! Anything that falls on your head that is heavier than a cereal bowl from more than a foot…..hurts.

          • Xena says:

            Yeeesshh That sounds very painful…….the waiting you you hands & feet part that is………..just kidding !

            :-) It actually gives me some joy to talk about those times. That happened around 2001. He never stopped giving me a kiss on the top of my head on grocery shopping days. My husband died 3 yrs ago.

          • brown says:

            So sorry for your loss…..

          • Xena says:

            Thanks Brown. It gives me even more compassion for Sybrina and Tracy. Losing someone to sickness at least gives you time to say your good-byes. Family is around. Physicians are concerned. People are made as comfortable and pain free as possible. There’s a support system. When a loved one is killed, and even more so, killed in a area that is suppose to be safe — well, I just don’t know how anyone gets over that.

          • racerrodig says:

            This is what makes Z more hateable every day that passes. This thug couldn’t leave someone alone who just walking along, talking to his girlfriend. If she testifies I’m sure she will seal his fate. It is never a good idea to attack a minor in court, put the victim on trial and never, ever, ever a good idea to use God as an alibi…ever !!

          • Sorry to hear that, Xena.

            Best wishes.

          • Xena says:

            Thank you, Professor. We had each other for 39 years.

          • racerrodig says:

            Sorry to hear that. That was good that he made the effort to make the boo boo go away. I love peoples stories like that.

          • Xena says:

            Thanks racerrodig. I do miss my late husband, but his death was not unexpected. I would not exchange places with Sybrina and Tracy. To lose a son who did no wrong to a lying bastard like George Zimmerman has to be emotionally overwhelming.

          • racerrodig says:

            You have this right. And to claim he was attacked and the one screaming is just so “in the gutter” just like his posse.

      • gblock says:

        Even if you don’t think about how many hands were required, wouldn’t it be difficult to push down hard with his hand(s) over GZ’s nose and mouth, as GZ claimed, and at the same time lift GZ’s head up far enough to repeatedly slam it into the sidewalk?

    • Jun says:

      Gee I wonder why Trayvon would be looking around and being apprehensive?

      Could it be…. get this…

      GEORGE WAS STALKING HIM IN THE DARK OF THE NIGHT IN HIS CAR AND GEORGE IS A COMPLETE STRANGER TO TRAYVON HENCE HIM WONDERING WHY GEORGE IS BEING CREEPY AND TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THE CREEPINESS BY LOOKING AROUND FOR THE BEST ROUTE OF ESCAPE

      Sorry for the caps, figured it would be easier to read for Zimmerthugs the cult

      • racerrodig says:

        I can see your point, but every Zidiot will read

        “GEORGE WAS STALKING……” and attack !!

      • Malisha says:

        If you look carefully at O’Mara’s face during the Hannity interview, when George comes to “skipping,” O’Mara looks like he just swallowed a live goldfish. I would LOVE to see somebody change all the subtitles on the Hannity interview the way they change the subtitles in the Hitler in the bunker movie.

        for example:

        But it occurs to me that the “We love Zimmerman” guys have kind of unsweltered their manic love for the little punk; now they’re sort of ignoring him and his Queen-Bee-Money-Stuffer wife and they’re just plain Trayvon-haters now, not even George-lovers. How fickle life is sometimes. You try and try to do what the world needs you to do to fulfill god’s plan and your public just kind of loses sight of the real values this country was built on…

      • Pooh says:

        Malisha — “How fickle life is sometimes. You try and try to do what the world needs you to do to fulfill god’s plan and your public just kind of loses sight of the real values this country was built on…” You are too funny.

      • Malisha says:

        What’s interesting to me is that George seems afraid and suspicious of every move he says Trayvon made (I don’t believe him because he never mentioned Trayvon was on the phone). But he also assigns Trayvon the motivations for what he says Trayvon was doing. “He looked around to see if anybody else…”

        George, how do you know what he looked around to see?

        “He was kind of skipping but not running from fear…”

        George, how do you know what he was thinking or feeling?

        Add to this that there had been NO MUGGINGS in that neighborhood. NO ARMED ROBBERIES. NO SHOOTINGS. If all there had been were burglaries and thefts, there was no reason to suspect that this guy would do anything other than steal something from somewhere. “He’s coming to check me out.” AND? Drive away, fool, then he can’t “check you out.”

    • Nice catch, Papa.

      Yah think Shellie was in the car with him?

      • Tee says:

        I think his phone records will shed light on this. It’s possible that she was with him when he first spotted Trayvon. wanting his wife safe George called his pal Osterman to pick her up so that he could continue to keep a eye on the “suspect”. I think Osterman was there that night when it happened or at the very least was there right before it happened this is why he said he’d give his life for Zimmerman. He knew what was going on and as a law enforcement agent he had a duty to uphold the law and he didn’t.

        • racerrodig says:

          How bizarre is all this with the high probability that at least 3 adult males and possibly SheLie are all out on the hunt for Trayvon !! How utterly sick is this. How ’bout we all do this to O’ Mara !
          I think I’ll drive down to FL and follow Taaffe with my lights off for awhile.
          In real men’s parlance “What the f did he do to you!!!”

          The whole group…more hateable…every day.

  18. jm says:

    Brown says: “What kills me he rationalized it. He didn’t pay the mortgage so therfore I don’t have to pay rent. BullShit. You have a lease. Even though the landlord was in forclosure doesn’t mean you stop paying your bills.”

    Do we even know if the property was in foreclosure or was GZ lying AGAIN?

    • Brown says:

      Damn, good point.

    • Rachael says:

      If you pay rent, even if a place is in foreclosure, you still have to pay rent. You don’t get that money back either. However, you might be able to get out of your lease.

      • racerrodig says:

        Correct, but the state usually has a very hard time with an eviction on the tenant if the tenant gets a lawyer and fights it.
        Squatters have more rights than rent payers.

      • Xena says:

        If you pay rent, even if a place is in foreclosure, you still have to pay rent.

        Right. A contract is a contract. Makes me wonder if he worked a scam by not paying rent so the property owner couldn’t pay mortgage, and then using foreclosure to justify why he shouldn’t pay rent. When foreclosure is pursued on rented property, the mortgage company generally names the tenant(s) if known or “John and Jane Does.” It’s then up to the court to decide whether the tenants should pay rent to the mortgage company rather than the property owner.

        • racerrodig says:

          That is a common scam in fact. We’re involved in a major lawsuit against Ocwen Loan Servicing for every imaginable fraud there is and I have found out just about every conceivable fraud there is.
          Z scamming someone…………You betcha!

          • Xena says:

            Z scamming someone…………You betcha!

            Absolutely! He is a contributor to situations to serve him a benefit while causing problems for others.

            Almost daily when I worked at the courthouse, there was a tenant facing eviction who argued that the landlord didn’t fix something, or the place was a slum, so they withheld the rent. Why would anyone want to live in a slum while “withholding” rent? By the same token, why would GZ want to live in a house being foreclosed if he didn’t plan to move? Nah. It was his scam to live rent-free.

      • Jun says:

        I dont know about the rights in America, but in BC, you get 3 months, after that, the tenant can get kicked out, if the rent isnt paid. Plus welfare pays people’s rents in BC Canada.

        I am guessing America has similar rules because they dont want to leave the renter totally hanging but at the same time the owner has to pay their mortgage so they need to figure out a middle ground. One of the reasons I will never get into the rental business unless there is a good insurance plan. It is too much headache

        • Xena says:

          I dont know about the rights in America, but in BC, you get 3 months, after that, the tenant can get kicked out, if the rent isnt paid.

          Eviction law varies from state to state. Maryland’s laws are the most damaging to tenants because property owners can enter and remove all possessions without an order of the court.

          In Illinois, landlords can file for eviction when the tenant is 3 mths late with rent. The tenant can ask the court for time to pay the rent. Without tenant efforts to get current in rent, the court generally enters an eviction date and the Sheriff does the eviction.

          A landlord who does not evict tenant(s) before foreclosure of the property loses standing to evict. Mortgage holders receiving order to foreclose who have not named tenant(s) as defendants have a difficult time pursuing eviction. They now have a cash for keys program where a tenant can remain in the property and is actually paid by the mortgage holder until the property is sold, including moving expenses. The concept is that by having the property occupied, it is less likely to be subject to vandalism and/or squatters.

      • Rachael says:

        Wasn’t GZ’s employment in that field? Is it possible he had some kind of scam going?

      • grahase says:

        He was, in fact. Has me thinking — Shellie’s parents had property in the RTL. I wouldn’t put it past this group to pull a fast one wherever they can. Shellie’s parents are certainly not angels either. I do believe the father is or was into stealing.

      • aussie says:

        I am led to believe many insurers won’t write a policy on an unoccupied building, either. So it is worth it for the bank etc to have someone living there.

        • Xena says:

          I am led to believe many insurers won’t write a policy on an unoccupied building, either. So it is worth it for the bank etc to have someone living there.

          Oh yes. The keys for cash program also provides that the property will not be damaged. If it is damaged by the occupants, they forfeit the cash. Too often when people know they are being evicted or actual homeowners are forced to move due to foreclosure, mortgage companies end up owning property they have to try to sell where even the toilet has been removed.

    • Malisha says:

      It was none of George’s business if the owners paid their mortgage; that was the business of the owners and the bank. George’s business was paying his own rent. Again, he is much more into making sure he can criticize others for what they do not do than to see to his own accountability for his own actions and his own need to pay his own debts and maintain his own family, etc.

  19. colin black says:

    GZ….Hello I have this guy here asking for money I dont know what his deal is…..911..Do you know this person?…GZ..Yes he is my landlordan he is asking me for money in backrent…911..And why is this a polie matter?..GZ..Well its real suspicous he is asking me for rent.I havent paid him in months an as a consiqence I went through his public recors an come to find out he faceing banlrupcy an loss of property because os assholes always getting away with unpaid bills.So he is asking me for money that belongs to the Bank.911…And your point is ?GZ Can I shoot him?

  20. sheryl likes says:

    Hi Xena. The one court case you stated that GZ sued Denise Zimmerman can not be Shimmy(GZ). It was filed in 1987 & Shimmy would have been around 2 yrs old. Other than that I agree with everybody & everything else stated on the professor’s forum. I hope Shimmy is haunted daily for terrorizing & murdering Trayvon. His justice can’t come soon enough.

    • Xena says:

      It was filed in 1987 & Shimmy would have been around 2 yrs old.

      Thanks Sheryl, you are correct. The reports in discovery docs provide for GZ’s addresses when he made NEN calls. I remember matching up the addresses to several court filings. What I can’t locate now is the eviction filed in 2009 although I remember seeing it.

  21. Tee says:

    LLMPapa you kill team George a little bit more every time you present a new video with more facts, I bet they’re so mad steam is blowing out of there butts. I nearly peed my pants i was laughing so hard

    • Brown says:

      @Tee, when the music stopped, I said this is not like Papa, then that rocket blaster came on, I was no ggod after that.

    • Brown says:

      @Tee,
      Know what, GZ supporters scream about LLMPapa videos, but THEY WATCH THEM!!!LOL

      • racerrodig says:

        How can one not love them. The Zidiot Nation is now on a rant that he cuts and splices them to fit. I ripped on several of them to actually watch them instead of just attacking. The real moron on that was a Zidiot named carolinabeachgirl. Talk about an ignorant pig.

      • gbrbsb says:

        And I bet the Zidiots scream even louder frustrated they can´t flood Papa with their stupid nasty comments… another of Papa´s wise decisions disable everything, comments and approvals, he doesn´t need them anyway because his images speak for themselves!

        • Brown says:

          Totally agree, that must drive them even more bonkers, not to be able to post hateful comments on his Youtube channel.

          • gbrbsb says:

            Oooooh, do we know Papa is a “HE” or is it just a guess? I wasn´t even sure Papa wasn´t an acronym but then I haven´t been able to follow the blog for a while.

          • Brown says:

            ummm I’m pretty sure he is a he.

          • Brown says:

            to tell you the truth I have never considered the fact he could be a she, I think it’s just the why he talks, or shall I say write, if that makes any sense.

          • gbrbsb says:

            It makes real good sense… if I´m just referring in a reply or something I automatically write “he” but when correcting I generally make it ambiguous. Yes, I think it´s a he too… but then I also thought Xena was a he too for a long time!

          • Brown says:

            Boy did you get that wrong!

          • gbrbsb says:

            Brown: (surprised) “Boy did you get that wrong!”

            GBRBSB (sheepishly and turning bright red) “Yep, I did.”

          • racerrodig says:

            it’s an imperfect world, I’ve done the same…..but it’s OK, we still love ya ! (-: ;-) !

          • gbrbsb says:

            Ta… love yall too!

          • Xena says:

            …but then I also thought Xena was a he too for a long time!

            WHAT!!?? LOL!! Just wait until I tell Hercules. LOL!!!

            There is a Zidiot who thinks I’m an 80 yr old grandmother. If that were true, I would be proud of being both.

          • gbrbsb says:

            @Xena: “WHAT!!?? LOL!! Just wait until I tell Hercules.”

            I´m sooooo sorrrry!!! How embarrassing, with Hercules you even got me wondering if I´d forgotten my Greek literature too !!! What a relief… a few googles and I found Xena had nothing to do with the Hercules I studied. I had never heard the name before nor seen the movie.. too much accumulated youth!

            Apropos, befitting name, “Warrior Princess”.

          • Xena says:

            Apropos, befitting name, “Warrior Princess”.

            It’s an actual nickname too and not a handle. Others gave to me because I wore bangs like Lucy Lawless. My hair styles have changed through the years, but the nickname sticks. Also, (if you believe me), I’ve got those moves like Xena. :-)

          • Xena says:

            Oooooh, do we know Papa is a “HE” or is it just a guess?

            Maybe the following can help you decide.

          • gbrbsb says:

            @Xena: “Maybe the following can help you decide.”

            Thanks for link and it did. I thought I´d seen all his videos but I missed this or I didn´t twig. What it does show is what I have believed all along and as I posted the first time LLMPapa posted here which was before this; he disables YouTube comments and ratings for videos because he doesn´t need them as isn´t doing it for recognition or kudos, but as a quest for justice for Trayvon and others like him.

          • racerrodig says:

            On HP they claim he alters every video clip to conform to his theory. I watched everyone and there is nothing altered. The worst is carolinabeachgirl. Her version of lies clearly shows she never even watched one and is exaggerating the lies of others…Typical Zidiot.

          • Brown says:

            Unreal. These people are so unreal. SMH

          • racerrodig says:

            This week they went back to he the he never assaulted a cop garbage.

          • Brown says:

            that old stuff Geeez

          • racerrodig says:

            So I asked if his “apology and admission” on his police academy application was a lie. Oppps, they all seemed to forget they can’t get anything by us.

            Gee…if I had know they was cops, I’d have never belted him, but since I thought it was just a civilian he was fair game. Hey, I love the thought of being a cop!!

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            GZ is to stupid to realize that it’s not that he assaulted a cop that’s important here. It’s the fact that he was able and willing to engage in combat with a total stranger. That takes confidence in one’s own combat skills. Something, say an accountant would not have attempted to do, cop or no cop! But a bar bouncer? Yeah, he’d be willing to match his ability with anyone. TM would have been cowed by detecting such confidence in GZ, the self assured manner of GZ would have been intimidating by itself, to a kid who weighed 40 some pounds less than he did.

            Yet Z wants us to believe that TM would try to strike such a big heavy adult male in the face with his weak child arms? TM, for his lack of muscle mass and training could hardly punch harder than a slap. Worse, it’s something he’s never even tried to do, ever before. So, why is he supposed to think it’s going to have any effect? Less that it will knock GZ down and render him helpless? He can’t even envision lifting one of GZ’s arms, less, lift his head and bash it back down.

            As for jumping on top of GZ, it would be like jumping on top of a whale! He’d be putting himself in serious danger of getting hit with powerful fists. No, the only defense TM could think of was to try to run away and hide. If that failed he’d be helplessly terrified.

          • racerrodig says:

            I have it on good authority, and you have it nailed, that the prosecution is going to bring up the fact that Z took an underage kid drinking. That’s what the bust was about. Why was he not charged with Contributing to the Delinquency?? As you said and I sarcastically played out, he had no problem taking on someone he thought was fair game. It just turned out to be a cop !! Whoops !
            Trayvon just happened to be “just Trayvon” In all reality he may have attacked St. Joseph that night. To boot he pegs Trayvon as a teenager !! Not some big tough ex-con….Oh No….he has it right !

          • jm says:

            “To boot he pegs Trayvon as a teenager ”

            That is probably going to hurt GZ. Do you think that is why he changed his story when he was in court and told Trayvon’s parents he though he was closer to his age? Blech. I thought it was just another lie, but maybe there was an ulterior motive, just like changing the story from Trayvon running to Trayvon skipping so he didn’t seem like he was running in fear from Zimmerman.

            I wonder if anyone (Osterman, MOM, Papa Z) advised GZ to change the NEN stories to protect his interests. Did he forget his phone call was recorded and what he actually told the dispatcher. Is he that stupid?

            What an ugly person Zimmerman is.

          • racerrodig says:

            He’s more hateable everyday. There is no doubt in my mind that he was told to make Trayvon more of a threat. That’s why the I didn’t know if he was armed or not and I thought he was more my age, a bit younger was blurted out.

            A jury will see right through all his crap. I’ll bet barf bags are in the jury room.

          • Xena says:

            I wonder if anyone (Osterman, MOM, Papa Z) advised GZ to change the NEN stories to protect his interests.

            Compulsive liars lie — to — everybody — and particularly those who have demonstrated not questioning them or calling them out on their lies. The only thing that I suspect GZ told the truth about to Osterman was that he followed Trayvon. Osterman would then correct GZ that if he did so, SYG did not apply.

        • And don’t forget me. I’m doing my best to keep the haters out of our sacred space.

          • gbrbsb says:

            Confused ??? !!! Please, you don´t think I am one of the haters, do you ?

          • Hell, no.

            Where did you get that idea?

            If it has to do with comments getting caught up in moderation, that is due to the word press software that automatically diverts any comment with two or more links into a pending or purgatory file.

            I’m not here always and sometimes when I am here I’m doing other stuff, so I don’t review the file and approve the comments.

            This blog takes a lot of time.

            A lot of time and effort.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            I think professor is saying don’t forget him, since this space would become a cesspool if not for his vigilance here. I strongly suspect that would be the case. Kudos to you too professor.

          • racerrodig says:

            Kudo’s and then some. Visit HP or most sites where this is a topic and bring a barf bag…or two.

          • Brown says:

            @MasoninBlue

            You have done an outstanding job on that front!!!

          • racerrodig says:

            I keep asking why there is nary a Zidiot here, yet on “Black Voices” on Huff ‘n Puff it is now the “Radical Racist Network” and almost as bad as the Conservative Outhouse.

          • Brown says:

            That’s easy, they don’t care, No admin, No moderator, nada

          • racerrodig says:

            I can’t even go there anymore.

          • Xena says:

            I keep asking why there is nary a Zidiot here, yet on “Black Voices” on Huff ‘n Puff …

            Those sites depend on “hits” to impress and maintain advertisers. Some of the writers are paid on commission based on the amount of activity.

            it is now the “Radical Racist Network” and almost as bad as the Conservative Outhouse.

            The Zidiots at the treeslum troll on HP, OS, and Yahoo Comments because they don’t have to comply with rules of decency. Those sites also allow multiple handles/accounts from the same IP address.

          • racerrodig says:

            There are times when I want to go on the Conservative Outhouse and go crazy on them. Their game plan is just insult you off the site.

          • gbrbsb says:

            Whew…. I´m really sorry… urgent: disregard previous reply… I thought you were replying to another reply of mine, now I understand… whew!!! No I don´t forget you professor, you have done a great job at keeping the haters at bay so it is a place to come and be able to post & discuss without fearing you´ll be attacked.

          • racerrodig says:

            I marvel at the peace and serenity that you provide here. The intelligence and knowledge are astounding compared to any site that discusses this. I’d Fan you but I can’t find the button….Faved !
            On Huff ‘n Puff, the Zidiots only get a few fans from each other. When anyone goes on that is a new member of Team Trayvon, and does “Fanned & Faved’ the Zidiots swarm and rip them saying it’s not about fans and it’s not a popularity contest. They fail to see the solidarity involved. I can’t speak from experience, but I guess that’s what hate does to one.

            But that’s just me……I have a customer who is a psychologist and he stated to the effect that the more they hate you, the more correct you are.

        • Xena says:

          And I bet the Zidiots scream even louder frustrated they can´t flood Papa with their stupid nasty comments… another of Papa´s wise decisions disable everything, comments and approvals, he doesn´t need them anyway because his images speak for themselves!

          IMO, that is very smart of LLMPapa. There is a blog where the blogger posted in May 2012 about GZ’s case, going into plans of the then HOA president to violate the Fair Housing Act. I referenced it several weeks ago here and/or another blog.

          Anyway, the blog I discovered that was posted in May is on blogspot and not very user friendly when it comes to posting comments. No comments had been posted either — until about November 11th, after I referenced it here. While most of the comments are positive, some trolling Zidiot attacked the blogger.

    • racerrodig says:

      That’s not really a “Team” That’s why I say the “Zidiot Nation” Team would infer co-operation and friendship. The Zidiot Nation is all about hate.

  22. Xena says:

    Frank Taaffe’s foreclosure case. Interesting that it was filed in Oct. 2011 just after GZ organized NW. Also interesting that Taaffe complained about “renters” being the cause of criminal activity.

    Taaffe did not file an answer to the complaint until 2/22/12. There’s something about that timing, having a “suspicious” person at Taaffe’s house on 2/02/12, and Trayvon death 4 days after Taaffe filed his answer and affirmative defenses. Maybe it’s just “in the stars” but I would like to see Taaffe’s affirmative defenses.

    http://www.seminoleclerk.org/CivilDocket/case_detail.jsp?CaseNo=2011CA003752

    • ladystclaire says:

      IMO, Zimmerman and Taaffe were on a mission to run African American tenants out of their homes in that neighborhood. this has been my belief all along. Zimmerman’s accusing a AA teen of stealing his bicycle as well as following one AA tenant home, along with other things that he did. he didn’t bother other tenants or follow them home because, they weren’t black.

      • Xena says:

        IMO, Zimmerman and Taaffe were on a mission to run African American tenants out of their homes in that neighborhood. this has been my belief all along.

        Ladystclaire, you are not alone in your belief. I can’t say that I agree with everything this blogger writes, but the thing about the HOA, decreased home values, hiring the SPD to patrol the community, and violation of the federal Fair Housing Act, has some meat on it. http://redyankeepress.blogspot.com/2012/05/zimmerman-gets-little-help-from-cracker.html

        My basis for stating this is because:
        1. Discovery docs provide that Taaffe contacted Dorvial and complained about renters.
        2. Dorvial asked GZ if he knew whether the HOA had policies for homeowners renting, such as conducting background checks. GZ did not get back to her with that info.
        3. After GZ killed Trayvon, Taaffe stated to the media that the SPD was too late and the thieves got away. That coincides with GZ’s statement on his NEN call; i.e., “These assholes. They always get away.”

      • racerrodig says:

        The bile incident is a laugh. He calls the police and they determine it’s the kids bike by the serial number. Duhhhh Hey George, are you that pathetic that you’d steal young kids bike and use the police to enforce your will….wait, I see a pattern here….make an accusation….call the cops…..

    • Xena says:

      Taaffe’s DUI case. Funny. His petition as an indigent was denied — but he’s in foreclosure.

      http://www.seminoleclerk.org/CriminalDocket/case_detail.jsp?CaseNo=592012MM007711A

      • racerrodig says:

        Job….Job…I don’t have time for a job. I’m way to busy defending my best friend George “Killer” Zimmerman on all these TV shows, don’t need a job.

        Is this mic. on….Nancy…is this mic. on ?? Hello…

    • Malisha says:

      The convoluted and peculiar story of the “averted but obviously intended potential burglary” at Taaffe’s house is interesting to me from this point of view: I think George wanted to be credited with having brought about the arrest of a criminal. If I were to write this “crime novel” as it would work, I’d have George played by a character who is devious but not as smart as he would like to be. He arranged with Taaffe, on 2/2/2012, the following scenario, with the hope that it would get him his “DAY IN THE SPOTLIGHT” so to speak. He’d have Taaffe go and leave his windows and door open. George would patrol around his house. When somebody George thought was probably a good “suspect” came by, George would call the police, then “apprehend” or otherwise engage the “suspect” and be the hero when they showed up. Either NOBODY SHOWED that day or a guy showed who did not seem to scare easy, so George didn’t put his plan into action but, as the guy was about to leave, George called the police to have them come and then he could say, “I almost caught him but the asshole got away.”

      Then a few weeks later, a promising situation appears…

      • racerrodig says:

        2 Words………Very Plausible.

      • Xena says:

        If I were to write this “crime novel” as it would work, I’d have George played by a character who is devious but not as smart as he would like to be. He arranged with Taaffe, on 2/2/2012, the following scenario…

        You might not be far from the truth. GZ’s said in his NEN call that day that he had seen the same guy on “garbage days” — plural. So, GZ knew the man came around on garbage days and it could be possible that Thursdays ARE garbage days. What a plan, uh?

      • I have suspected for a long time that a scenario like yours is the way it happened.

      • leander22 says:

        Interesting, theory. The problem is, I have been fascinated by events surrounding his Feb. 2, call for a long time. As much as the prominent way in which Taaffe’s house surfaces again.

        If you look at the call/dispatch document page 45, remember this is his last call before Feb 26, you’ll notice in this case he calls back 911 to redirect the police officers that are already cruising the scene. Timothy Smith has arrived about six minutes before GZ calls back. In this related call GZ corrects the address from 1020 to 1460.

        On Feb, 26 he obviously wants the officers to contact him directly. For me this is an indirect proof that he intended to follow Trayvon Martin, just as he did on Feb 2, 2012.

      • groans says:

        Such easy pickins’ too – using a well-known neighborhood cut-through!

        Could it get any more lazy and random?!

  23. ladystclaire says:

    No, we never will know as they saw fit to drug test the corpse only because Trayvon was black and, they allowed the perp to just walk away from is deadly deed without testing or arresting him. so much for the criminal justice in America which is not interested in getting justice for justus! jmho

  24. Jun says:

    I think one of George’s main problems is that he lies so much, is inconsistent, contradicts himself a lot, it is hard to see what he is being truthful about, and any slip ups is seen as his own motivation to manipulate others, no matter how innocent. Once or twice, it is understandable, but for him to continually and repeatedly do that, it comes off as fishy and criminal.

    • racerrodig says:

      Personally, I don’t think Trayvon was ever on top.

      • Malisha says:

        I agree with you RR.
        It would have shown up on the physical evidence somehow.

        • racerrodig says:

          Because of the misalignment issue of his hoodie and the entry wound and the “I had to be careful not to blow my left hand off” remark I have a picture of Z with a handful of hoodie and Trayvon on his butt, and his torso at about a 45 degree angle leaning away from Z. Z is straddling Trayvon knees bent giving him an angry 3rd degree.

          Enter wet boot toes on Z. Exit any sign of grass on Z’s back. Exit any sign of water on Z’s back. Enter debris on the back of Trayvon’s hoodie and pants. All facts.

          Trayvon is just trying to get away and survive and Z will not have any part of that. Knowing the cops are on the way, he then knows he in deep shit and now he has to eliminate the suspect, hence the comment about what would the cops think when they show up and his gun is out…..

          • Brown says:

            I think the cops were the way further behind in his mind, it was rage. Plain & simple. The sheer audacity of this FUCKING ASSHOLE, I hate tall punks running thru MY NEIGHBORHOOD, and he got a couple of licks off, WHAT!! and seeing blood HIS BLOOD. GZ saw RED. Made a conscience thought, to go ahead and kill him, he felt he was justified in doing so, hence I killed him in self defense.
            Friend cop. Dad judge. Had the HOA in the back pocket. Had a wife that would lie for him. He knew the cops, they knew him, he thought this will be easy to pull off.

            He didn’t take into consideration one thing.

            Trayvon.

          • racerrodig says:

            Trayvon, Sybrina, Tracey, Crump, Morals, Integrity, Change.Org, DeeDee and a few others get my standing ovation. Being the parent of a14 year old, I can really feel for them.

            My hope is that this does make changes happen, but when I read the racist filth by the Radical Racist Network I cringe. There would be nothing better than a TBM day just like MLK day. The racism has to end.

          • Brown says:

            yes, it has to come to an end.

          • racerrodig says:

            Using what is known, do you think my scenario is possible ?

          • Brown says:

            Sorry, Racer, I’m not on the second cup of Cappuchino yet, a little reminder, please….

          • racerrodig says:

            I see Trayvon “sitting” on the ground, his upper body at a 45 degree angle leaning away from Z, trying to hold Z away and screaming for help. Z is straddling Trayvon knees bent enough to get his boot tips wet.

            Exit grass on Z’s jacket, Exit rain water on Z’s jacket, Exit grass on Z’s pants and butt, Enter grass and water on Z’s boots.

            Enter debris on Trayvon’s hoodie and pants.

            Z has a good handful of hoodie. enter misalignment of bullet holes in garments and entry wound. Enter comment “I had to be careful not to blow my left hand off”

            Z was never on the bottom. Do you think this is possible.

          • Brown says:

            Yes, I’m thinking the angle would of not made much difference because of how close the shot was. And considering he said he aimed and made sure he didn’t blow his hand off.

            I have been looking at the “Sketch” by LE, where all the evidence markers are at. The markings have the bullet casing near TM’s head. (see page 145 of 284)

            http://trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/documents-2/court-documents/discovery-documents-part-2-284-pages-7122012/

            I did a litttle experiment and layed on the floor with someone on top of me, where I threw a small item near the chest of the other person, It always fell by MY head or shoulder.
            Now, we reversed positions the item fell to the other person’s head. The distance was notable. Picture this if you can, If TM was on top, shot through heart, leans back and falls the bullet casing should fall somewhere by TM dead feet. Considering the position GZ says he was in on his back when he shot him and TM legs straddled on him. That is not where the bullet casing is found. To believe GZ story, we would have to picture TM falling back grabbing his chest along with catching the casing an dropping it by his head. The Professor and I had this converstion, and if IRC, he said there were too many variables. Agreed on that point. Because like he said GZ molested the body, flipping him. But to me that doesn’t change the location of the bullet casing. A thought just came to me, maybe that’s what he was looking for.

            Anyway, your scenario is good. But you and I know at least by reasonable deduction, evidence to date, and knowing that GZ lies on a regular, that he shot him from above or standing.

            The debris on his boot toe shows that at some time. he had just those parts of his boots dug into the earth. We just don’t know when. The defense may argue that. Nonetheless, it still looks damaging in the photos.

          • racerrodig says:

            ‘Anyway, your scenario is good. But you and I know at least by reasonable deduction, evidence to date, and knowing that GZ lies on a regular, that he shot him from above or standing.”

            It would have been a close range shot straight on. Not one witness, as I recall, confirms Z flipped Trayvon over. To my recollection it is stated that the guy with the gun stood straight up. One said he was running his hands over his head in a “…what did I just do…” manner. If so, why no blood smears ?

          • Brown says:

            hmmm you’r right, no one said they say him flipping the body. Only rubbing his hands or checking him over him. LE turned him over to start CPR.

          • racerrodig says:

            Yep ! The police flipped him over. They found him with his hands under his hips, a far cry from spread out in a “Y” as Zidiot says he did. That won’t look good in front of a jury.

          • Brown says:

            right again.
            : ^ ))

          • racerrodig says:

            Every lie of his boils down to “…I’m the fabulous GZ…nobody will ever question me…in fact, they’ll throw a parade in my honor for being a crime bustin’ hero and give me the keys to the city”

            Where’s that snicker now punk ??

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          I would say “I don’t think TM was ever “effectively”, on top”. That is, on top for the purpose of exerting any control. He might have fallen on top, because of the way they tumbled to the ground. But John’s testimony is so not credible and mangled it has to be discarded.

          • Brown says:

            Lonnie Said

            I would say “I don’t think TM was ever “effectively”, on top”.

            That is the best wording to describe what happened.
            Excellent!!
            Bernie better use that.

          • racerrodig says:

            I’ll buy that.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            Yes I think he will… This mounting requires professional analysis by marshal artist and forensic anthropologists. It’s one thing to be on top of another person, it’s quite another to be on top “effectively” for the purposes stated.

            We learned from the marshal artist who has chimed in, that a mount position requires training and skill to use, maintain and be effectively in control. Lacking any of those resources, one will be quickly dislodged from that position before they can get anything at all done.
            It is certainly not the position of choice for a lighter opponent, since being lighter makes it almost impossible to maintain it, regardless of the skill level one has.

            Then to add, lifting and bashing a head up then down with any useful force, is going to be an exercise in futility, since the person on the bottom has only to stiffen his neck to thwarts the effort entirely. In that position a hand on the head will result in a reflexive stiffening of the neck, so there’s not going to be any head slamming at all. At least not past a possible quick surprise push down.

            It’d be a good little demonstration to have GZ try to demonstrate how TM could have done it, by having GZ mount an actor and attempt to show how it could have been done. He’ll be totally surprised when he learns that he can’t pick the guy’s head up at all. A forensic anthropologist will be able to explain why this is so. He or she will also be able to explain why muscle mass is so important and how the large difference between GZ and TM’s weight makes it unlikely/ not possible, that TM could be deadly without a weapon of some kind.

          • Brown says:

            I know this might sound bad, but to get optimum effect for the jury would be this: Don’t use GZ use someone close that looks like him, maybe his brother will stand in sorry lay down and Jaharvis can be TM. That would give the jury the visual they never dreamed of.

            : ^ )

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            No, the visual would be even better using GZ himself. Even if you put a lighter opponent on his back on the floor. GZ thinks he can lift the mans head and demonstrate how his head was lifted and pounded, lifted and pounded again and again. So, he’ll think this will be easy to demonstrate, especially when he sees the size of the actor smaller than himself.

            So, he’ll straddle the actor and begin his attempt! Boy will he be surprised when the actor simply stiffens his neck, and the lifting and pounding is impossible to accomplish at all. The jury will see his face as he realizes it just isn’t possible to accomplish the attack he has just claimed a child did to himself. He’ll look around the court in total confusion, that would be priceless. Totally memorable!!!

            Then have the expert explain to the jury why Zimmerman could not accomplish the attack! That is UNLESS GZ welcomed it by purposely keeping his neck limp, or even cooperating by lifting his head and letting it be pushed back down again and again. GZ will be unable to explain or even understand that he picked the wrong type of attack to claim he was subjected to. Because it is so easily defeated totally, by a simple reflexive stiffening of the neck.

            Wouldn’t you just love to see his eyes go wide as saucers as he tried to pick up the head and could not? Then try to surpress his urge to look around the court to see if anyone noticed his failure? Then try to do it again and not succeed? Perhaps even jumping up in exasperation to exclaim: “He won’t let his neck loose so I can lift his head!” In other words, “I can’t do it because my victim won’t cooperate with the attack.”

            GZ could not look a juror in the eye after that. His attorney would have some words to say about it for sure, but nothing will erase the failure. It simply cannot be overcome. Even GZ would realize his main point has been lost forever and he, himself would be toast!

          • Brown says:

            Damn. that’s good.

          • racerrodig says:

            If you find tickets to this…..get them, it’s my treat ! Price will be no object !!

          • Nice fantasy, but don’t expect this to happen in court.

            Reenactments have to be agreed to by both parties and the judge. They also have to accurately reproduce what happened and here there is no agreement to what that was and the risk of the unpredictable is too high and the stakes are too high for it to happen.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            Agreed, but then… There’s always room for MOM to have a Marsha Clark moment: “If the gloves don’t fit then you must acquit”. LOL.

            Thing is, if out of curiosity MOM gives it a try with his son or someone, he’s going to have a very strange view of GZ from that point on.

            Once the person on the ground tightens their neck muscles, your only way to lift their head is to lift their entire upper body. Obviously that’s going to be too hard to do, if you’re sitting on their upper body.

            If you can’t pick the head up, you can’t slam it back down. Try it with someone, you’ll come away with the impression that it’s just not possible. If you are equal or lighter than the person you are straddling, the mount position is easily defeated if you aren’t trained to maintain it.

            GZ has coupled an impossible attack with an unstable perch and tried to make a life threatening event of it. In fact he goes so far as to say that this absurdity actually succeeded many times, taking him to the edge of mortality.

            Comparatively it’s as if GZ was saying that TM was standing ten feet away, swinging his fist so fast and hard, that the wind was tearing his head off his shoulders. It only sounds possible in the eye of the imagination. In practice it’s so unworkable it’s silly!

          • I’m sure you’re right.

            The legal issue this poses is how do you prove this in court. The applicable evidentiary rule is Rule 702, which addresses the use of experts.

            First, this is a matter where expert testimony would assist the jury to determine a fact in issue.

            Second, you need one or or more experts qualified by education, training or experience to testify.

            If I were BDLR, I would begin the search for an expert by contacting an expert in kinesiology, I also would check with a sports medicine specialist, someone who designs football and motorcycle helmets and a physical therapist.

            Last, but not least, I would contact the reigning MMA World Champion.

            This is how lawyers think creatively.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            Yes, you’ve put your finger on one of the major problems claims of physical activities place on jurors and opponents at law. Since these things can be faked one can’t easily know if the defense or prosecutions exhibits are being, shall we say “weighted”.

            I’ve been watching studies of dinosaurs, where they’ve built these models that include projecting what muscles can and cannot do, in order to determine how these creatures moved, how fast, what gait and such. I think I’d start with a call to a few paleontologists.

            For sure they can figure by weight, how much muscle mass is available to each person involved and the ranges of motion and force they could apply as well as direction. The marshal artist whose work I put up in my collection, say the position is extremely unstable and likely unusable by an untrained attacker. This from people who train others to apply, maintain and break such positions.

            I’m sure the results will be that TM has such low muscle mass, compared to GZ, GZ could easily immobilize TM, while TM has no chance of doing that to GZ. Coupling that with an unstable attack position, probably means that GZ on the bottom would have to be extremely cooperative with TM for such an attack to have a chance of success.

            Hopefully someone with skills and/or knowledge in this area will appear and give us some direction. I’ve been looking around for some one who might, if I find them I’ll try to contact them. Others on this blog might do the same. I think it would be interesting to say the least.

          • racerrodig says:

            That will leave a mark !

          • Brown says:

            Could you see the headlines on that from court reporters!!

          • racerrodig says:

            Yep…..I can’t wait for some of the bizarre on this one !!

          • racerrodig says:

            Clear you mind…..think about this out of the box. The obvious.
            If you trip and start to fall forward, what do you do ??

            Put your hands out in front to protect yourself.

            If you slip on the ice and start to go backwards, what do you do?

            Put your hands out behind you to protect yourself.

            The brain has a funny survival device that is built in. I can’t help but think that if he had his head being bashed, why did he not only not fight back, but why not put an arm behind his head !
            Holy Smokes ….this thug has 6 freaking hands and I need to protect the back of my brainless noggin!

            Even coaching Little League, we taught the kids cover you face when you slide. Most did it even before this was taught….Survival. When you slide, slide with your back to where the ball is thrown from. Again, most did that as a reflex. Z expects that nobody will see through this.

          • racerrodig says:

            John the Joke will be proved to have been put up to his 1st version in my opinion.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            They try very hard to sound ad hoc, while still supporting some version of GZ’s story. They know that they can’t sound coordinated or they’ll be welcoming suspicion on themselves.

            John makes the mistake of saying that he thought the fight seemed to be, of someone trying to hold the other person for the police to arrive. Even in hindsight it could not have appeared that way. He only says this because that’s the story he can’t understand why nobody’s even posing that “obvious” possibility. You see, in his mind we were suppose to put GZ’s being NW together with the fight and automatically conclude: Gee, GZ was trying to hold TM for the police! Thus we’re supposed to excuse everything GZ did as not a threat. While everything TM did was life threatening. John was simply stupified that we weren’t making these obvious connections.
            So, he felt he had to supply the idea, to nudge us in the right direction.

            Then there’s FT! His consternation centers around how none of this had to happen: “If only TM had answered the questions!” Gee, Mr. Taaffe, how did you know there were questions? Was this the plan you and the boys had formulated? Because after it was over, the last thing GZ would want to do is, admit that there had been question he wanted answered. I’m certain he would not have told you that he had asked any questions of TM, after the shooting, because that’s something he’d want even you to forget about, whether it was part of any plan or not! So he certainly would not be reminding you of something he didn’t want you to say.

            Frank Taaffe: Hello, who is this?

            George Zimmmerman: It’s me George.

            Frank Taaffe: Hi, how’ya doin’ ?

            George Zimmmerman: Okay… You know that kid I shot last night?

            Frank Taaffe: Yeah, what about it?

            George Zimmmerman: Well, I’m not sorry or anything like that, but you know, if only he had answered my questions he wouldn’t have had to die!

            Frank Taaffe: What? You mean he wouldn’t answer your questions at gunpoint?

            George Zimmmerman: Yeah, remarkable huh? I guess I don’t get no respect because I don’t look stern enough!

            Frank Taaffe: Well, don’t go all soft on me George, you did a really good thing for the community last night, imagine that thug wasn’t scared of your gun!

            George Zimmmerman: Yeah, a really tough thug he was, I just want you to remind everyone that he wouldn’t answer my questions, okay?

            Frank Taaffe: Yeah, sure, I’ll do that! Count on me George!
            ———————-
            No conversation like that would ever take place, even as dumb as George is. So, where did Taaffe learn that questions had been asked? You know, the ones we heard on the 911 tapes.

            So who else knows of things that happened that night that weren’t reported or discovered until later? Who else knows that what happened, was a deviation from the plan? Inquiring minds want to know.

          • racerrodig says:

            As my dad always said part way through his police investigations
            “The plot thickens”

          • Yes, I too am suspicious and I too want to know.

  25. Lonnie Starr says:

    Breaking news: Eyewitness views an interpretation while watching two strangers struggling in his back yard:

    “Page 42 — Evidence dump:

    Speaker 2: — when it moved onto the concrete, um, the guy in the black shirt, or sweater, was on top of him, um and when I say, when I meant to say MMA, it was more of just like he was, you know, over his leg par, like he — I’m trying to thinkk of how to put this — if you, if you ever watch MMA, the guy that’s on top is usually in control is what I, that’s what I meant, like, he had controld at that point is what I meant, Um, as if I was on top of you at that point I don’t know if I’m trying to hold you down, that’s what I was saying it looked like, uh, you know, he had been hitting him from on top but, you know, I can’t truly see how close, you know, they were to each other,

    —> if he was hitting him or if he was trying to hold him down in that position until the cops got there. <——–

    So that's what I mean in a, in a MMA position, because it's usually called like a mounted position or, or something like that, but I'm not sure if that's what it was, but he was on top at that point.
    ———————————————

    To even begin to think of interpreting the scene in this way, that someone was trying to hold someone for the police, the witness has to have more information than he's letting on. Otherwise, what else could possibly provoke such a speculation?

    He claims he can't see Zimmerman, doesn't know who Zimmerman is. Can't see well enough to identify what they're doing with their hands, yet… he's come by an impression that someone of the two is trying to hold the other person for the police?

    To even think of anything like that at all, he has to either know who Zimmerman is and be able to see that it's him at the scene. So why is he trying to conceal that? Oh yeah, to make his narrative seem to be from an impartial/uninterested bystander. But why would an "impartial bystander" need to appear to be an impartial bystander? Is it possible that it's because he isn't an impartial bystander?

    • jm says:

      Lonnie says: “He claims he can’t see Zimmerman, doesn’t know who Zimmerman is. Can’t see well enough to identify what they’re doing with their hands, yet… he’s come by an impression that someone of the two is trying to hold the other person for the police?”

      Is this the witness Zimmerman told not to call 911 but help him restrain Trayvon after he aimed, shot and killed him? If not, why would he think the police were on the way?

    • Jun says:

      I dont know what to think of witness 6 because witness 18 watched it from the confrontation to the struggle and murder and she never mentions any “thug boy death beating by a rapper”, and she only mentions wrestling, as did witness 6 stated in his 911 call. There are also no injuries consistent with the MMA beating claims nor is there forensics to back up those claims. Then witness 6 recants his MMA death beating to he doesnt know or isnt sure. Trayvon would be justified to defend himself against George because George went after him with a gun and IMO that is a fairly reasonable fear of imminent death and great bodily harm and according to SYG, he would have been justified in beating George to death, however Trayvon’s character and the forensic evidence dont support that this happened.

      • Lonnie Starr says:

        I just get the impression that John is someone with a closet full of sheets for wearing.

        • racerrodig says:

          Yep….and he sound like a fruitcake to me. I know the voice being altered does that but………….what a yahoo.

        • Xena says:

          I just get the impression that John is someone with a closet full of sheets for wearing.

          The impression I get is that John was afraid of GZ. Anyone hearing what went on the evening of 2/26/12 heard GZ losing his temper and cursing at a teen that he deliberately killed. After realizing that he was in hiding and no longer in that community, John tried saving face by changing his statement.

      • Jun says:

        Witness 6 is definitely fishy for sure and I listened to the interview and I feel the FDLE caught on as well. Even before he made his statements, he stated they were wrestling and then the gun shot. Every witness, except for 11 and him, at first attributed the screams to George, when almost everyone attributed the screaming to the person who was shot and killed, and even 4 or 5 of them said it sounded like a kid. John was also the only one who claimed Trayvon was on top, but it just seems funny to me because George has no grass or mud stains on his jacket, nor does it match George’s claims because George never mentioned having his full body on the cement, nor is there cement scrapes on his jacket, that would be consistent with shimmying on the sidewalk on the back of his jacket. The courts generally let perjury go if the person recants so there is not much they can do, but there was no need for him to give 3 different stories.

        • Brown says:

          6 & 20 are very very fishy.
          If you get a chance listen to his FDLE interview March 19th. 7min

          http://trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/people/witnesses/witness-20-files-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-case/

          He is very confident and tells his story without pause. When FDLE get to a question about him knowing either party, he acts like he doesn’t understand the question.
          Give a listen tell me what you think…..

          • Xena says:

            When FDLE get to a question about him knowing either party, he acts like he doesn’t understand the question.

            Yep. He was passive-aggressive, acting like he didn’t understand who the investigators asked if he knew. That witness ducked, dodged, squirmed and shimmied to avoid answering that question. Hopefully, GZ’s phone records show that he had conversations with John after he killed Trayvon.

          • Brown says:

            Phone records would be awesome. But I think GZ spoke to him seconds after, while Jenna was still on the phone with 911. Jeremy is talking to someone in the background. I have ask Whonoze to please check that particular part in her 911 call.

          • We will know much more about this case when the phone calls are admitted into evidence during the trial.

          • Brown says:

            (read in Smeagol voice) Me can’t wait that long, me need the precious (phone records) The Precious Master.

          • Xena says:

            Phone records would be awesome. But I think GZ spoke to him seconds after, while Jenna was still on the phone with 911.

            GZ no doubt called John and Jenna after he left the police station. I doubt that he spoke to Jeremy because he could cunningly threaten Jenna to keep Jeremy quiet. Two days later when Serino interviewed GZ is when he stated an anonymous caller witnessed a verbal confrontation before things went to the ground.

            While Jenna and Jeremy may be cautious, I get the feeling that they might tell everything eventually. GZ would come after them if he is acquitted.

          • Brown says:

            I tend to lean in the direction that Jenna will tell in the end. I am not sure about Jeremy. He is only the boyfriend. As far as I know she is the only one the FBI questioned or looked into her background as the immediate circle of 911 callers. Not even the teacher got a FBI looksee. Her background is solid MBA and BA in Business Mgmt, Realtor in Orlando. Pretty lady.

          • Xena says:

            As far as I know she is the only one the FBI questioned or looked into her background as the immediate circle of 911 callers.

            Yes. Since she is also on the HOA Board and associated the yelling with “break-in’s” she should and could be a person of interest in the plan to violate the Fair Housing Act. Too often, folks with schemes impress others who are innocent that the scheme is a violation of law. While ignorance is no defense, feds do often work with the ignorant giving them immunity when they tell the truth about unlawful scams.

          • racerrodig says:

            “GZ would come after them if he is acquitted” Because of that possibility, I think they will seal his fate. Of course being honest helps to.

        • Xena says:

          John was also the only one who claimed Trayvon was on top, but it just seems funny to me because George has no grass or mud stains on his jacket, …

          You’re thinking with logic and according to the evidence. Singleton also thought it strange that GZ had no defensive wounds. If we are to believe George’s stories, he was doing nothing other than the shimmy to defend himself, and when he went for his gun, Trayvon was doing nothing to defend himself.

          Check out GZ’s interview for the voice stress test. He does not demonstrate that Trayvon felt up his chest with his left hand going down GZ’s right side, but actually demonstrates Trayvon crossing over his left arm with his right hand going for the gun.

          Along with Trayvon having at least 6 hands, and being clairvoyant to know that GZ would follow him on foot, add to that extremely long arms able to cross over GZ’s fat body and still be long enough to reach behind his fat butt for the gun.

          • racerrodig says:

            That “Shimmy Defense” always got me. In a life & death struggle one will go well beyond their abilities when in survival mode.
            Being 57 year old male, who has seen a few things in this world, know what a creep Z is and even considering he could only shimmy is like asking me to believe the world is flat. In fact I called quite a few Zidiots members of “The Flat Earth Society”

            There is zero (0) or less chance any person would not have been punching, flailing, rolling, pushing, grabbing at everything and anything possible to get him off.

            But, that’s just me….

          • Xena says:

            There is zero (0) or less chance any person would not have been punching, flailing, rolling, pushing, grabbing at everything and anything possible to get him off.

            Wiggle or shimmy requires use of the feet, butt and elbows, reasonably conveying that GZ was not pinned down. Also, if a person is straddling and wants to pin the other down, they don’t allow them to shimmy but rather, will seek to restrain whatever part of the body is causing them to get away.

            When GZ said his jacket moved up exposing his gun, I realized that his body was free at least from the waist up.

      • Jun says:

        Even Jeremy’s present testimony is damning against George because even he attributes the screaming for help to the person who was shot and that it was commotion moving towards them and Jeremy stated that the screams for help ended with the gunshot. That to me is evidence that Trayvon was in fear of George trying to get away and George killed him while Trayvon tried to get help.

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          1. GZ claims Trayvon broke his nose!

          Untrue! Evidence: No dna or trace on Trayvon’s hands.

          2. GZ claims Trayvon bashed his head on concrete!

          Untrue! Evidence: No dna or trace on TM’s hands.

          3. GZ claims Trayvon tried to smother him using both hands!

          Untrue! Evidence: No dna or trace on TM’s hands.

          4. GZ claims he felt Trayvon reaching for his concealed weapon!

          Untrue! Evidence: No dna or trace on GZ’s gun from TM.
          Evidence: GZ’s testimony does not provide a means for TM to know he is armed or where the weapon is, or a means to reach it.

          5. GZ claims he shot in self defense!

          Untrue! Evidence: TM never touched GZ with his hands!
          GZ fired unprovoked and unencumbered with both of his hands free.

          6. GZ claims he was screaming for help!

          Untrue! Evidence: No witness or evidence shows that GZ was ever in a position of distress or under duress. The one who did recanted.
          There is no dna or trace on TM’s hands.

          7. GZ claims he’s mild mannered!

          Untrue! Evidence: He uses profanity gratuitously, he has no problem attacking strangers of uncertain and unknown combat skills. He has hired himself out professionally, to handle strangers physically. He has no fear of adult males his size or better and in fact, was fired for being too rough, not too meek. Profanity is offensive, mild personalities do not use it gratuitously for that reason, they avoid giving offense. He offended a judge by lying in open court!

          8. GZ claims he was on his way to the store!

          Untrue! Evidence: Even though he saw nothing of interest, as he drove from his house to the front gate, he never tried to drive out, but instead stayed inside the gated community and hunted for someone, he could not have known would be there, if he had not been notified by someone else. TM would have been in the mail shed before GZ even left home as the cctv video analysis shows, even if those analysis disagree on other points.

          9. GZ claims he would not lie to seek advantage!

          Untrue! Evidence: The recordings of the bail hearing and his recorded jailhouse conversations!

          =====================================
          Now add yours, perhaps there’s a video to be made.

      • leander22 says:

        Do I get this right? There are two witnesses whose testimony has not been released yet? # witness 4, # witness 7. If not why not? Do these witnesses appear on O’Mara’s dispositions?

        Concerning John, what I find most interesting about him is that GZ obviously was aware he came out. GZ also must be aware what exactly happened at that moment. Additionally John probably turned on this back porch light. Plus remember GZ’s flashlights. Which means GZ was aware that the witnesses may not have been able to see well either. Did John leave it onbefore he locked the door, or did he say it is always on?

        Let’s suppose that at that point TM was indeed on top, GZ’s head was on the concrete and he in fact tried to shimmy out from under TM. Could he possibly have scratched his head in this action? Let’s suppose police had already on scene asked GZ were exactly his head was smashed to the concrete or alternatively directly asked John about it. Could they have found traces, and if so, what exactly would they prove? To a certain extend they could be used to prove GZ’s story too.

        I am not a fan of John, but we all would somehow arrive at solutions about what we saw, and obviously later events would influence us. If I remember correctly Serino is aware of this, and somewhere notes that the witnesses overheard GZ’s later statements to police. From what I remember and I am not able to give this case all the time it deserves. John Batchelor is a quite good interrogator in this respect. What exactly was interpretation and what did they really see? I think he is the one that lures out of John that he actually witnessed only 10 seconds of the struggle.

        In my mind I cannot disconnect the chronology from the point on GZ is aware of the fact the fight was observed, even adding something John should have heard, but somehow didn’t: Help me restrain this guy, and the fact that Trayvon is dead only seconds after.

        Problem is GZ will argue that at that point he realized he would not get any help.

        Concerning shell casings, and where they should land. Personally I wouldn’t trust any experiment with trying to throw whatever one of the key factors in the physical ballistic equations surely is velocity, besides how many factors are somehow unknowns. Like Trayvon’s and GZ’s exact positions. But I surely hope there are possibilities to simulate events with the given factors.

        Concerning adding other characters into the larger scenario, I admittedly register a strong resistance against that. And that includes Shellie initially being with GZ or GZ later calling John. I do not think he is as stupid as that. If he didn’t know him well, he could turn out a possible witness for prosecution. I even think Taaffe and GZ didn’t knew each other as well as some scenarios suggest.

        Was there ever anything like a list of the NW members and possible block captains? The emails he sent out? Information he passed on. Does police know who received them. I vague remember that Brandy Green was told by a neighbor she had received at least one, after the events. That’s something I would like to take a look at.

        • “Was there ever anything like a list of the NW members and possible block captains?”

          No, George was the only one, AFAIK.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            Yes George was the only one to come forward, the others simply took it up and sort of tagged along without any records being created. We know FT claims to have patrolled both on his own and with GZ. Other residents appear to claim that the NW was populated with drunks and ne’re do wells, but no names are mentioned. They seem a secretive bunch.

            GZ uses dog walking as a cover for his regular patrols. So he’s never out patrolling the neighborhood, he’s always just walking his dog, which, of course, means he can carry his fire arm.

            When he got out of his truck to follow TM, he simply “forgot” he had the firearm he always carries, with him, so no need to leave it in his truck, because he didn’t realize he was armed.

          • Xena says:

            “Was there ever anything like a list of the NW members and possible block captains?”

            There were block captains, but they, along with the new HOA President, were not aware that GZ was trying to organize a NW until some residents contacted the HOA Pres. asking about the man coming to their front door with a clip board. The HOA Pres. also stated that at the first NW meeting with Dorvial, he remembers only one Board member being present.

            Dorival wanted a list of NW volunteers. GZ never provided that list. It was a one-man show.

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          One has only to focus on the main points that bar the pathway to other claimed actions. Like the body laying on the grass behind the houses, prevents any claim that the shot was taken elsewhere, like TTL or RVC.

          So we look for evidence that TM manhandled GZ’s head. GZ says it took several blows before his head was about to explode. Yet, it is supposedly during this time, he’s looking about and supposedly asking for help! What’s wrong with this picture? He’s supposedly in a state of terrible distress, such that he fears for his life. He cannot be looking around making eye contact with anyone, or he’s not under the duress he’s trying to claim and the lack of trace on TM’s hands bars the door to the claimed attack, plus the witnesses claim not to have seen it at all.

          Instead, we find that at the exact time the shot was fired, GZ was holding onto TM’s garments, while TM had to be keeping very still. TM could not be using his hands or they would have been picking up trace. Instead, GZ’s got one hand holding TM and the other hand aiming his gun. So then, why does he fire the fatal shot, instead of simply stepping back and away? Remember GZ has no SYG defense and he knows it. He demonstrates his knowledge by his lies!

          He was not being hit or attacked at all when he aimed his gun and fired into the chest of the victim he was holding onto the clothing of and pulling. Worse yet, he’s ~40 feet away from where he claims the attack took place.

          Then he’s also heard on the 911 tapes to be questioning the victim. How does a person being subjected to a fatal assault question his attacker? How does a 200 lb bar bouncer, come to fear for his life, from a weaponless attack by a teenager who is barely strong enough to lift 10 to 20 lbs? While GZ has enough muscle mass to easily throw his victim around? In short GZ’s claims of being attacked are pure fiction! TM did not break his nose and he did not fall down where he claims he did, nor was he mounted by TM. Because they both would have been on their phones at that exact moment!

          The evidence is barring the described conduct GZ is claiming, and the witnesses are adding more barriers. While the change in location is also preventing the claimed possibilities.

          As far as other people being involved, we’re speculating about that, because other evidence indicates it. But it’s not central to the case. We are doing so because we have the luxury and the time on our hands to do so. It is not necessary to prove GZ had help, to prove that he’s guilty, because that’s a separate issue.

          What we do know is that GZ is giving self serving versions of what happened that night and that none of them align with the evidence or the witnesses statements. There is no evidence at all that he was attacked by TM and/or that TM was the cause of any of the wounds GZ displays. We don’t even have to discover where he got those injuries, all we have to know is that he didn’t get them from the victim.

          • jm says:

            Lonnie says: “Instead, GZ’s got one hand holding TM and the other hand aiming his gun. So then, why does he fire the fatal shot, instead of simply stepping back and away?”

            Very good question. Once GZ had control of Trayvon and his gun, why didn’t he hold “suspicious” TM at gunpoint knowing the police were coming and there were people in the condos as witnesses.

            Your logic makes GZ’s story even more preposterous. He disgusts me more every day as I read posts here and become more informed.

          • Xena says:

            Very good question. Once GZ had control of Trayvon and his gun, why didn’t he hold “suspicious” TM at gunpoint knowing the police were coming and there were people in the condos as witnesses.

            Simple answer: Because Trayvon was literally crying, crying out in pain, crying out for help and begging for his life. Zimmerman told Hannity that he was nervous and terrified thinking the cops would arrive and see him standing there with his gun. GZ thought the cops would shoot him.

            The situation was one where the cops would see GZ as the aggressor with a gun, holding it on a teen who was terrified and begging for his life. As GZ said, he was out of time. Trayvon had to be silenced and GZ’s only way of shutting him up was not to put his gun away, but to kill Trayvon.

          • jm says:

            “Trayvon had to be silenced and GZ’s only way of shutting him up was not to put his gun away, but to kill Trayvon.”

            So if MOM manages to convince the jury that Trayvon initiated the attack, once GZ got control of his gun and Trayvon, this is murder right? Especially since GZ called the dispatcher and knew the police were on their way and could handle the situation from that point.

          • Xena says:

            So if MOM manages to convince the jury that Trayvon initiated the attack, once GZ got control of his gun and Trayvon, this is murder right? Especially since GZ called the dispatcher and knew the police were on their way and could handle the situation from that point.

            That’s a good way of putting it. It bothers me that if GZ’s story is true, that he knew the cops would be there any second. Killing someone under those circumstances is an extreme action. If GZ could aim for the chest, he could have aimed at the leg just as well.

          • jm says:

            “If GZ could aim for the chest, he could have aimed at the leg just as well.”

            Or he could have held Trayvon at gunpoint and told him the police were on their way. The neighbor who offered to call 911 did so before the gunshot right? There is absolutely no reason that if GZ actually believed Trayvon was suspicious he needed to shoot him at all with a witness and the police on the way and GZ had control of his gun. Is there anything here that MOM can dispute as far as self-defense once GZ admitted he took aim being careful not to shot his hand and fired the gun into Trayvon’s chest? Obviously if GZ was talking to a witness he wasn’t being smothered or his head being bashed – or did he speak to the witness after he shot Trayvon?

          • Xena says:

            Or he could have held Trayvon at gunpoint and told him the police were on their way.

            That is what GZ DID NOT want to do because Trayvon was reacting to being followed, confronted, and caused pain by a creepy looking guy.

            The neighbor who offered to call 911 did so before the gunshot right?

            Right, but that same witness also knew that GZ was talking to him about not calling 911 while Trayvon was screaming for help.

            Imagine seeing two guys wrestling who you don’t know. One is screaming for help and in pain, and the other one tells you not to call 911. Which party would you think is the bad guy? The one holding the gun who does not want you to call 911, right?

            Obviously if GZ was talking to a witness he wasn’t being smothered or his head being bashed – …

            BINGO!

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            Marshal artist know the psychology of combat. They say that the person screaming for help has ceased to fight! That can’t describe GZ who was, at that time, holding onto TM’s garments and thinking about getting his hand out of the way while he took aim with his deadly weapon.

            The important point here is, regardless of who was screaming for help, one party had ceased fighting (if they ever were). While the other party clearly continued to operate his deadly weapon.

      • leander22 says:

        Concerning adding other characters into the larger scenario, I admittedly register a strong resistance against that. And that includes Shellie initially being with GZ or GZ later calling John. I do not think he is as stupid as that. If he didn’t know him well, he could turn out a possible witness for prosecution. I even think Taaffe and GZ didn’t knew each other as well as some scenarios suggest.

        Concerning Shellie, or what LLMPapa’s video on the events at Taaffe’s house during reenactment seem to have triggered in some minds.

        Shellie in this scenario belongs closely to the narrative he has already written down, his wife was afraid and he had to do something about it. In that sequence he initially wants to start his story exactly like that, but then realizes he is now demanded to give a description of events on the night, and Shellie’s fears are not asked for in this context. That he interrupts himself, when he is trying to elaborate on what exactly Trayvon was doing, is much more interesting. Including that Randy Smith notices his insecurity and gives him a cue to continue and does not move on as directed by a the hand movement by Zimmerman. Admittedly what it makes me feel like is that he cannot really give anything about that context, without fantasying in writing you can control that more easily.

        Try to imagine events with Shellie present with Zimmerman asking her to get out of the car. It would only add a non-necessary complication. Assuming they were really on the way to go shopping, if she was with him at all. Couldn’t this result in a discussion of what to buy? If you go there both, you don’t need to do that before. Besides, couldn’t he have called NEN with Shellie still on his side?

        Taaffe: Not much evidence either to base a judgment on, intuition, I know. But the message he leaves on Taaffe’s phone does not sound as if he left it for someone he is very familiar with. Of course he may also be extra cautious at that point in time.

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          Taaffe inserts himself into the mix by giving an interview where he intimates that “if only he had answered the questions”, as if he know there were questions being asked to be answered and that might have stopped GZ from shooting TM. Then GZ adds to it by failing to mention at the cut through, that his fellow NW lives right there.

          Taaffe also states that he has patrolled with GZ on occasions. So that indicates that FT may very well have had some involvement. It’s not too far fetched to think so. We do know that no car comes down RVC in the right time frame to catch TM, either at the FT cut through or walking over to the mail shed. The only car that appears along that route, comes down too late to catch TM by FT’s and that car does not attempt to go out the front gate, as GZ’s car or truck would do, if he had been on a shopping run.

          The only explanation that is offered as to why that car, which is very likely GZ, doesn’t go out the front gate, is because he spots someone in the mail shed, before he gets to turn out the front gate.
          Thus, it remains to be seen if, someone in the mail shed could possibly be seen, from a car coursing along that route to the front gate.

          Until someone takes a camera and goes along that route, filming in the direction of the mail shed as they go, we won’t know if it’s possible that GZ saw TM there and caused him to abandon his shopping trip.

          He has to see TM in the mail shed before he reaches the turn. If he has no sight line that would allow that, then he was patrolling, because he has no other reason for not going out the front gate to the store.

          • I believe the mail shed was not visible from the route GZ claimed to have taken because it’s on the southeast side of the clubhouse and GZ was coming from the west on RVC with the clubhouse between him and the mail shed.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            That is exactly what I too believe. I’m just waiting to see if it can be confirmed. Then we know for sure that GZ was not on his way to the store, and that he left home on the hunt. The store was just meant to cover up that fact.

    • leander22 says:

      When GZ said his jacket moved up exposing his gun, I realized that his body was free at least from the waist up.

      good observation, sounds very convincing.

      I somehow don’t seem to have any data in my head about how it would work to shimmy out from beneath somebody. My imagination fails me at that point.

      • Lonnie Starr says:

        As the martial artist have explained, a mount position is difficult to maintain without training, experience and skill. Any wiggling that GZ would do, would probably throw TM off entirely. GZ is simply using his imagination to describe what he believes could be a serious attack on himself. In actual practice it’s little more than an impractical fantasy. To even allow TM to stay in that position GZ would have to remain very still and to get his head bashed at the same time, he’d have to cooperate TM.

        In short, this configuration might make a good movie shoot scene, but in reality it could not really be accomplished. If you don’t believe it, get someone to try it with yourself in both positions. You’ll quickly realize that if the person on the bottom doesn’t offer complete and total cooperation, the attack fails to even get started.

      • leander22 says:

        Lonnie,

        Taaffe inserts himself into the mix by giving an interview where he intimates that “if only he had answered the questions”, as if he know there were questions being asked to be answered and that might have stopped GZ from shooting TM. Then GZ adds to it by failing to mention at the cut through, that his fellow NW lives right there.

        True, Taaffe inserts himself into the mix rather prominently. But how to interpret it? Xena showed what other type of motives he may have for that. Why should he mention whoever lived there, would that be relevant to the situation at hand?

        Taaffe also states that he has patrolled with GZ on occasions. So that indicates that FT may very well have had some involvement. It’s not too far fetched to think so. We do know that no car comes down RVC in the right time frame to catch TM, either at the FT cut through or walking over to the mail shed. The only car that appears along that route, comes down too late to catch TM by FT’s and that car does not attempt to go out the front gate, as GZ’s car or truck would do, if he had been on a shopping run.

        As I remember it, he said he met GZ on his regular patrols, which means nothing more than that he tries to give GZ an image of a concerned citizen. See above for alternative motives, or ask Xena what they could be except from conspiring with GZ. I searched for a direct quote that would support media reports that he was a NW captain before, or helped GZ. I never found a precise statement. It seems to be hearsay or interpretation.

        Personally I am not not sure or enamored with any of George statements, I keep a critical distance.

        Concerning the clubhouse videos. I am a “doubting Thomas”, always. I would need to set my feet on the ground. Have a car move in the position GZ claimed he was in, under the equivalent light circumstances and then compare the way the video recorded events with the videos of the night. Before someone does so, you will see my critical to suspicious. Besides the low grains in that type of video allows all type of imaginary visualization. I gave Amsterdam all the chances of the world to convince me, but ultimately he did not succeed. Which does not mean I respect the work he did. It’s a matter of fact that people can visualize everything they want and in fact do into diffuse images or structure. Artist have known this phenomenon for centuries.

        The only explanation that is offered as to why that car, which is very likely GZ, doesn’t go out the front gate, is because he spots someone in the mail shed, before he gets to turn out the front gate.
        Thus, it remains to be seen if, someone in the mail shed could possibly be seen, from a car coursing along that route to the front gate.

        Strictly we do not need clubhouse videos to realize that GZ never “go out the front gate”.

        What puzzles me about this part of the reenactment, is exactly the passage where TM according to his own statements must have disappeared out of his sight the first time. Without this even leaving a whisper trace on his NEN call, if we believe him, that is. Problem is, this fact is easily assailable by defense if prosecution want to put pressure on the it. We hardly ever say all we could say to make the reality about which we report visible for the other side.

        In other words this looks well done, but I do not have to time to take a closer look at how, or more precisely and how visuals relate to recorded time.

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          I do remember Taaffe saying that he went on patrols himself and/or with GZ, when I come across it again I’ll post it.

          With the view from the front of the clubhouse into the mail shed, as I said we don’t have a look at that view, but someone is claiming that GZ doesn’t go out the front gate to the store, because he can see TM in the mail shed before he can go out. So that’s what we’re trying to confirm. There’s a photog in that area who is collecting a wish list of things to be photographed and video taped. We’ll just have to wait and see.

          We’re also waiting for the newest controversy between Tchoupi’s work and Trent Sawyer’s. TS says two cars park in front of the clubhouse and leave together to go over to TTL. Tchoupi, who hasn’t updated his work as far as I know, says GZ didn’t park there. So we wait for a resolution of that controversy.

        • Xena says:

          As I remember it, he said he met GZ on his regular patrols, which means nothing more than that he tries to give GZ an image of a concerned citizen. See above for alternative motives, or ask Xena what they could be except from conspiring with

          In discovery is an email from Dorvial, the community person who met with residents about NW. The email is dated before the meeting. It says that she was contacted by Taaffe whose concerns were about renters committing the crimes in that community. Dorvial asked GZ if the HOA had policies, such as property owners conducting background checks before renting. GZ did not get back to her with that info.

          Taaffe obtained Dorvial’s contact info from GZ. There is verbiage in the emails to that effect. Since that exchange was prior to the meeting to organize NW, it is reasonably presumed that Taaffe communicated with GZ and also that GZ was convinced of Taaffe’s position. Of course GZ could not follow-up on policies for homeowners renting because he was a renter whose background check might have disqualified him to rent.

      • leander22 says:

        Lonnie, I am on my way out, but at least this correction.

        Before someone does so, you will see my me critical to suspicious. Besides the low grains in that type of video allows all type of imaginary visualization. I gave Amsterdam all the chances of the world to convince me, but ultimately he did not succeed. Which does not mean I respect not the work he did.

        I in fact do. I simple do not trust my eyes, since I am not sure if I respond to something real or a suggestion I should see something special in a precise time frame.

  26. Malisha says:

    Here were my guesses, in order, about what happened with the testimony from this squirrely and unreliable witness:

    1 – First report given by this guy was meant to accomplish the following: “Make them think it was self defense on my part, OK?” Now, my own belief is that this “advice” was given to the witness by George, right at the scene, before the cops showed up. Uh huh. At the time the guy gave his first statement, he already knew that the police WANTED this to end up looking like self-defense. He could say anything the hell he wanted, because he knew (a) George was being given a “walk” on this little killing; and (b) it was arranged through Lee; and (c) his statement would be believed and not challenged because it was not “inconsistent” — that is, it was consistent with the statement GEORGE GAVE so it would be automatically considered valid and correct.

    2 – Second report given by this guy was meant to accomplish the following: KEEP HIM OUT OF TROUBLE. He had given a report to the police that could be disproven. He then was being asked for details AFTER he was aware that George was being DISBELIEVED. How does he justify “raining down blows MMA style”? He changes it to: “I said MMA because somebody was on top of somebody for a certain period of time and that reminded me of an MMA tape I once saw and that tape had somebody showing you how to rain down blows and…” or something. It would be like:

    First statement: An elephant stepped on my foot.
    Second statement after 7 witnesses claim to have seen the guy shoot himself in the foot:
    I felt a pain in my foot that reminded me of a time a branch fell on me from a tree which reminded me of lightening which reminded me of a loud cracking sound which reminded me of the guy in the circus cracking his whip at a trick horse which reminded me of the elephants in the circus and my foot really HURT! So that’s why I said let’s buy a ticket to the circus. Only if they’re in town, though, OK?

    • racerrodig says:

      When I was in the Boy Scouts, we would do a campfire experiment in which the Scout Master had a written phrase and would whisper in into the 1st persons ear. Each Scout would take 5 seconds then whisper it to the next one and so on. With about 30 of us the 6 or 7 word phrase would end up being a book and nothing was even close.

      Does anyone actually think that this Klan of sad sacks can remember a 6 or 7 word phrase like “He said it was self defense”

      Hell, Zidiot said he had to watch he didn’t blow his left hand off.

      • Malisha says:

        Brown, you’re right; he sounds like the question of whether he knew George or Trayvon totally threw him. “You mean did I know the Pope, personally, or whether I ever prayed, and if that was it, was it the Pater Noster or ‘Now I lay me down to sleep.’?”

        Then the interviewer makes it worse by asking if he knew or didn’t know either of them from the “media” so the guy is off onto whether he knows his next-door neighbor or women who appear on television.

        The interviewer needed to say: Did you know George Zimmerman before 2/26/2012? Did you ever know Trayvon Martin?

        Damn, what’s wrong with people? It’s like they think words are some kind of magic things they’re afraid to touch, rather than pieces of thought that you arrange in sentences. Damn!!

        • Brown says:

          An old trick, when a person asks you a question you don’t want to answer, ask the same question back to get 1) more time 2) confuse the other person, 3)think of a lie

          I think witness 20 is not telling the whole story, I think he talked to GZ after he shot TM. I mean like literally on shot, a couple of seconds, talks to Jeremy. I have asked WHONOZE to recheck audio on witness 11, 911 call . Where he is talking in the background. I hear him talking to someone, and I hear certain words, that I told Whonoze to look for.

          PS thanks for acknowledgment, much appreciated

        • Brown says:

          I have found that interviewer is very good. He speaks slowly and clearly. He likes leaving pauses, turning pages nerve racking to the other person.

          You said,

          Then the interviewer makes it worse by asking if he knew or didn’t know either of them from the “media” so the guy is off onto whether he knows his next-door neighbor or women who appear on television.

          I look it from another view, they were both there to talk about GZ and TM. He avoided once again to answer the question by going with Selma & Mary. I think he purposely did that, the interviewer. Considering he, Jeremy was very direct and had a very strong voice throughout the interview, he fumbled when it came to that question. He has some splaining to do Lucy. : ^ ))))

        • racerrodig says:

          My lower back and all my ribs hurt from laughing….it’s your fault. Thanks I needed that !! Keep up the good work.

  27. Brown says:

    typo** should read** one shot, a couple of seconds later talks to Jeremy

  28. Malisha says:

    The “Taaffe’s house, George’s heroism” plot has been fascinating me again this morning. Think of this: Crime victims’ funds. Taaffe’s house is in foreclosure. A crime is thwarted in or near his house. He can make a big insurance claim of some sort? Something very valuable was stolen perhaps? Or: Either (a) the asshole got away and Frank has a good claim against insurance and perhaps a victims’ funds claim to save his house from foreclosure; or (b) The asshole doesn’t get away and George becomes a big hero for thwarting the attempted burglary of Frank’s oh-so-vulnerable property. Hmmmm. And you say there is no evidence this “hanger-around-leaner-on-house-scary-asshole-who-spit-or-threw-down-his-cigarette” was the same as a guy whom the roofers reported later on and who thereupon got arrested? I can’t keep all the thugs straight. Was this a guy George ultimately claimed to have caught himself, giving Cynthia Wibker goosebumps? Or did I get HOA Wibker mixed up with some other HOA? Who was the source of the quote, “He’s solved a lot of crimes around here.” She sounded like she was talking about the Lone Ranger, riding off into the sunset, didn’t she? :evil:

    • racerrodig says:

      The number of coincidences / events, that is, alleged events, is astounding. You’re right, I also confused and have a hard time keeping the stories, thugs, players straight.

      Maybe Osterman can publish a “Zidiot Program” so we can keep it all straight. He can call it “Zidiot and Other Assorted Misfits” or
      “How I Befriended the Most Hated man in America”

      • Malisha says:

        RaceRR, it just jumped into my head this very minute. GUESS WHAT I THINK HAPPENED even though I have no way of knowing and none of us does, probably: I bet that once the money started flowing in to George’s website, Frank Taaffe asked him for a chunk of it and he said no and that’s why we don’t hear from Frank Taaffe any more! Maybe Joe Oliver also asked for some…after all, he said on national TV that he quit his job in order to go to publicity for George because “it was so important” and Oliver has a family. (Remember his teen-aged daughter told him that “goons” was an affectionate term among the young African Americans nowadays?) George would have told those folks that he COULDN’T give them any money because [fill in the blank with ANYTHING; you know George].

        HA HA HA, if only Corey hadn’t messed up his chances of becoming a judge. Judges can just make up shit and get away with it every day of the world, even when the court’s not in session, and George would have really LOVED that!

        Yep. I bet. Yep I bet.

        • racerrodig says:

          That is very possible and probably correct. Look at what happens to lottery winners. Gee, I didn’t know I had so many “friends”
          When I heard Joe “Rent a Friend” Oliver say he quit his job over Z I thought he felt he’d make money with interviews. It doesn’t work that way and he got his brains beat in by every interviewer especially Piers Morgan.
          Where are they now……standing in line behind all of the African American Friends Osterman said Z had, waiting to start that big “Free the Z” March??

      • groans says:

        I saw that Lawrence O’Donnell show at the time – when any facts were still unavailable to the public. But it’s even more interesting in hindsight and with knowledge of certain facts that were known to some folks at the time.

        For example, at the beginning, when Lawrence talks about his conversations with Serino – most interesting, indeed.

    • Xena says:

      Think of this: Crime victims’ funds. Taaffe’s house is in foreclosure.

      Malisha, what is a common Zidiot characteristic? Rather than address the legal issue before the court, they look to blame others and imagine some conspiracy that they erroneously believe will convince a judge to dismiss the case while holding someone else at fault.

      Apply that to Taaffe. See, it’s not his fault that he has not paid his mortgage. He cannot sell his house because of decreased home values. That’s not the fault of the housing market but the fault of crime, and the crime is committed by Black men who are renters and not homeowners in that community. The SPD always let the assholes get away. Until something is done to rid that community of Black renters, his property value will not increase.

      IOWs, cleanse that community of people who have caused his property value to decrease, and he’ll pay his mortgage. This is why I would love to see his answer/affirmative defenses filed in the foreclosure case.

      • racerrodig says:

        It does make sense.

      • Jun says:

        LMAO I notice that the Zimmerthugs just like to slander and blame everyone and come up with ridiculous conspiracies or repeat George’s lies and make up history on Trayvon but completely ignore all of George’s history. It is such obvious and oblivious bias, but not surprising, when there’s idiots like Denise Helms.

  29. Malisha says:

    “We do have Zimmerman’s statement that he pulled in and parked at the Clubhouse briefly and, if we assume he was telling the truth about that,…”

    Wait, you said, “if we assume he was telling the truth…”

    Um…no, you didn’t say that, did you?

    Guys, Exhibit A: The only two things he told the truth about on the NEN call were the “George” part and the “Zimmerman” part, and he hesitated before giving up the “Zimmerman” part, remember? He was about to change it to, “Washington.”

    =========================
    And about, “He didn’t look like he was checking the mail…”
    THERE IS NO MAIL ON SUNDAY.

    =========================
    And about “skipping…” There is this:
    Serino asks him, “What kind of run was it? Jogging, trotting, a full-on run, what KIND of run, cause this is important…” and George says, with that little “oh it’s just too much to try to remember it all” sigh, “I don’t know.” He didn’t offer up, “kind of a skipping sort of thing, the choreography of a murder-planning thug up to no good kind of skipping, you’ve seen it, I try to teach the kids I mentor never to do it.”

    • racerrodig says:

      Cheorge Washington ! A hahahahahaha !

      I still say the only 2 things we know he did not lie about are

      1) “…then I got out of my shruch”

      B) “…I raised my arm and aimed and shot him once…”

      I have a hard time finding anything else that is not in dispute. Lets face facts in that when he first did the “reenactment” things looked like he may be truthful other than the part of being at the T and who started it. Now it looks like nothing is the truth…the timeline is an unmitigated disaster for him.

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  31. Tee says:

    Do anyone know the state of Trayvon clothing and shoes? Did he have grass stains on his pant knees, was the tip of his shoes muddy and covered in grass?

  32. Tee says:

    Thanks guys, I was trying to see the scuffle in my head. I am very familiar with how young guys from Miami carry themselves, I have lots of young cousins that live in the same area as Trayvon in fact my step daughter was friends with Him. I can see George approaching Trayvon asking him what he’s doing around there, I can see Trayvon asking George why he was following him, i can see the verbal altercation following that exchange and Trayvon attempting to leave then the scuffle. I believe this is why Trayvon was so far from the Tee & this is where all hell breaks loose. What I can’t see is George being on his back and furthermore I can’t see a physical fight, George was just to clean, just to neat. Trust me a physical altercation with a young man from Miami, no one would look nice and neat afterward there would be skin under Trayvon nails, broken fingernails, and scratches. Hell a physical fight with anyone from anywhere DNA you should be exchanged. This young man was trying to get away from George, he didn’t want to fight he just wanted to flee. The lack of DNA on Martin hands let me know that George had full control of Martin. Trayvon may have never had a physical fight in his life but self presavation is a fact of life, he would have fought George had he had some type of control of the situation.

    • groans says:

      I agree completely.

      And my heart goes out to your step daughter – what a terrible and senseless way to lose a friend at such a young and impressionable age (my assumption, here). I hope she truly grasps and understands that there are so many people out here from all backgrounds and walks of life who are utterly outraged by this travesty – and are determined to do whatever they can to get justice for Trayvon and his family and friends.

    • racerrodig says:

      “George was just to clean, just to neat. ” Yep, and a “clean” & “neat” gash in the hull sank then Titanic.

  33. groans says:

    @racerrodig – re: Oz lyrics posted Nov. 16 at 5:25 pm:

    ROFLOL! Don’t know how I missed your excellent lyrics post until now, but it is HILARIOUS!

    As a long-time Oz fan, I sang along with it so easily – and that tune is still running through my head! Thanks for the belly laughs!

    • racerrodig says:

      What LLMPapa loves doing with time lines, Zidiot claims and such with the visual I like doing with lyrics. I play guitar and if you have a line from a song that can be used…let me know. I’ll even post the chords so you can play along ! Lets face it…he deserves everything we do.

  34. Malisha says:

    One of the things that has always bothered me the most was how quickly George was ready to holster his gun if (a) Trayvon had fooled him once; and (b) he wasn’t sure he had actually hit Trayvon when he fired his gun. Couldn’t the thug be lying on the ground playing possum, ready to spring up and kill George?

    One of the other things that has always bothered me was the fact that George did not automatically, reflexively, wipe his bloody nose with the sleeve of his jacket. Hmmmmm….

    • jm says:

      I’m not familiar with firearms, but is it possible to be unaware of having a holster with a gun on your body?

      Also has George admitted he was holding Trayvon’s shirt with his hand on his chest? If so, how in the world would he not know he had shot Trayvon where he aimed? Wouldn’t GZ’s hand have some residue and wouldn’t he have felt that the bullet penetrated where he aimed?

      Sorry, I really am ignorant as far as guns go. Just seems you would be aware of having a holster and gun on your body and if you are aiming at close range you would know you had shot someone.

      • Lonnie Starr says:

        You have it right, GZ is just trying to lie his way around things again, like he did with the absurd claim that TM was skipping away, so that he would not have to admit that he, himself presented a fearsome figure. Why would he not, if he never identified himself, how would anyone know who he was or what he was doing?

        He doesn’t have to admit that he was holding TM by the clothing, the fact that the bullet hole in the clothes doesn’t line up with the wound in the body, and that while the clothing contacted the gun, the body was further away. That’s all a matter of the forensic evidence collected. TM would hardly be pulling his own clothing, down and away from his body, when the shot was fired.

        While “forgetting” about a gun has a physical and a psychological component. He admits that he carries it all the time, if so then it’s almost impossible to forget it. It is, after all, a deadly weapon, which makes it register at a much higher level in the conscious mind than say one’s house or car keys. You have to be aware of how you comport yourself when you are carrying a deadly weapon, because it makes you capable of taking some ones life, and because there are rules about what you can and cannot do, should and should not do while you are armed.

        Finally if you are in a situation that holds even the least prospect of danger to yourself, like entering a dark area where a suspect may be, but you don’t know where they are, you have only to tap the location of your holster to remind yourself you are armed, if you need to do that. As a general rule you can actually feel the extra bulk on your body by simply moving a bit and paying attention. Thus it is extremely unlikely that he forgot he was armed.

        And lastly, it is unlikely in the extreme again, that a person who had not been fatally wounded, would turn and fall face down on the wet grass without moving at all. GZ is simply telling likely stories, which he knows will have to either be accepted as true or disproved. His victim cannot testify against him, only the evidence can do that for him.

        • racerrodig says:

          I’d bet the farm Z was dying to pull his gun on somebody as a sign of how bad and righteous he thinks he is. He said the Det. Singleton “…just the thought of being a policeman..” and asked her if she ever shot anyone in a very gleeful way, almost like “..I got one up on ya..!!”

          More hateable…..every day.

      • racerrodig says:

        Being a gun owner, I can tell you…you never forget it’s there, especially in the “..combat situation..” Z was in. Bet the farm he was just dying to pull his gun on someone.

        Geez ……..this kid just attacked me, what doooooo I do. Holy shit, he’s kicking my ass, beating my brains out, my heads about to explode, nobody will answer me, nobody is helping me and I did ask, I’m being suffocated, my nose is broken, what do I do ??
        Oh, hell I forgot……..here’s my little pistol…..and my gun.

        No, he knew all along, and I’d bet he had it out from the time he got out of his schruck, or not long after.

          • racerrodig says:

            There are many different types of gun owners I have found out.

            1) Responsible owners, who would never carry and were willed a firearm or bought one for home protection, likes to shoot at a range as a hobby and “out shoot” friends. This group would never even consider breaking a gun law.

            2) Similar to 1 above but have a darker side in that they pull for the bad guy in the movie sometimes, live for shooting video games just a bit too fervently, but seem harmless.

            3) Similar to 2 but even more on the dark inside. They have that hanging thought about actually using a gun on someone, maybe not just shooting, but the exercise of power over someone. They may take a gun to work and keep it in the car and talk guns far to much making others uncomfortable.
            (My wife has one of these in 3 at work)

            4) Worse than 3 and wants a job where he can have a gun on his side. Plays out combat situations repeatedly in his head and talks guns almost incessantly. Carry’s his gun whether legally on not as a “gun is useless if you can’t get to it and it’s loaded” mentality cannot be swayed by the obvious dangers of this behavior. Has what he thinks is a real cool gun collection

            5) Psycho Gun Lover. Has a literal arsenal of weapons of all types. Talks about shooting someone if they clip their fingernails to loud. Hates everyone and cites Gun Rights as easily as his name and phone number. Can recite the firing rate of an MG 42 machine gun and what caliber any weapon you can name was ever made in. Watches every gun show and makes every attempt to sell everyone on being a gun owner.
            (I had one of these working for me, not my hire, back in the 80′s)
            Talks about joining or belongs to a paramilitary group.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            I too agree, for GZ his gun is his second sex organ, no way he can forget it or forget about it.

  35. Malisha says:

    Something else about the picture George tries to paint of himself, prone, helpless, unable to defend himself, being beaten to death underneath big bad Trayvon Martin: where d’you think are his big, useless feet and his knobby girly knees! He didn’t dig his heels into the ground, push his toes down, leverage his thighs and hips and create a great huge JERKING MOTION to throw vicious murderer offa him? Do you know how much power I can muster by doing that? I’m a 65-year-old fat useless grandmother type (with no grandkids)! I can’t run a mile without being winded. But I could throw Zimmerman off me, much less Martin! Hasn’t he ever been to a rodeo? He’s wanting us to believe he lay there and thought, “Oh I know, I’ll yell help help and I’ll shimmy!” Right, right. His big soft handsy-wandsies were lying there delicately arranged to make his bloody face look all the more victim-y and his little footsy-wootsies were aligned like a teensy ballerina and he was going “help me help me” like a little chi-hua-hua and Trayvon bashed, Trayvon MMA-punched, Trayvon victimized, Trayvon brutalized, Trayvon smothered and othered and the big bad wolf blew little piggy’s house down…oh, oops :oops: I got the wrong story all mixed up in there. Oh well, one story or another story, they’re all fairy tales. Only this one won’t end, “and they lived happily ever after.”

    I tell you one thing right now:

    ‘F Cheorge don’t hone his skills a little bit he’s about to have a rough time of it in his future habitat… :evil:

    • Men serving penitentiary time hate and despise liars, snitches and whiners. If he does not change his ways, someone is likely to kill him.

    • Jun says:

      If you look at George’s history, he is an angry person and hateful person who jumps to conclusions and acts without thinking, especially using violence, threats, manipulation, or harassment. I personally feel George stating that mess is opening the door for character evidence because George is trying to portray the helpless innocent man. I also believe the history of George can also fall under habit evidence because it happens so repeatedly that it is a habit now.

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