Zimmerman: Defense Motion for Prophylactic Sequestration of Witnesses Reaches a New Low

Brandi Kansas City posted this comment at 6:42 pm to my post titled, Zimmerman: Representing Him and the Inevitable Question: My God, What Have I Become?

She said,

“O’Mara filed this emergency motion can you tell me how it constitutes an emergency. If not would it be an example of him trying the case in the public?”

The motion is titled Emergency Motion for a Protective Order/Prophylactic Sequestration of Witnesses Prior to Defense Deposition.

My Answer

I believe this is an example of trying the case in the Court of Public Opinion because I have a problem with this motion and the way it was handled.

First, O’Mara is revealing the opinions of cops overseeing an investigation. Their opinions are irrelevant and inadmissible. The evidence is whatever it is and it alone constitutes probable cause to believe a crime was committed or it does not.

Second, revealing their opinions in a motion is an underhanded way of creating an excuse to publicize that they opposed charging Zimmerman with a crime.

Third, if they were genuinely concerned about a need to order witnesses to not collaborated with each other, they should have filed the motion under seal.

Fourth, it would have been in the best interest of the defense to have the witnesses collaborate with each other so that they all objected to filing criminal charges, but that sounds like what they were going to do anyway. Therefore, there was no need for the relief he sought in the order.

For all of these reasons, seems pretty obvious to me that the real purpose of the motion was to publicize what should have been kept private; namely, that the brass did not want to charge Zimmerman.

As so often happens with this case, however, the defense effort to publicize information backfires. It will backfire here because the evidence is so strong that it makes the brass look like a bunch of coconspirators plotting to let George Zimmerman get away with murder.

It becomes ever more clear to me with each passing day that the defense is desperately trying to publicize and thereby win this case in the Seminole County Court of Public Opinion, as opposed to the rest of the country or the world. The defense, in effect, appears to be trying to poison the well of prospective jurors, many of whom are extremely conservative, by publicizing irrelevant and inadmissible information that is calculated to appeal to White conservatives and their racist fear of Blacks.

In simple words, they want a jury with 6 KKK members determined to acquit George Zimmerman, regardless of the evidence and, if they can’t get 6 KKK members, they want 6 White conservatives with the same racist outlook and intention.

I do not want a gag order because I have a selfish desire to keep up with the case developments. A gag order would prevent that.

Nevertheless, I am increasingly concerned that the possibility for a fair and impartial jury is diminishing due to what the defense is doing. It needs to stop and the court needs to do something to make it stop. I think there are other things the court can do short of a gag order, possibly involving the use or threatened use of its contempt power, but enough is enough and the sooner the court acts, the better.

Finally, I was struck by the use of the term “prophylactic sequestration.” I am tempted to run with it and make fun of it, but I am going to resist the bait and simply condemn it as a theatrical trick to grab attention.

This is a really low class and undignified move that further lowers my opinion of the defense effort in this case.

277 Responses to Zimmerman: Defense Motion for Prophylactic Sequestration of Witnesses Reaches a New Low

  1. Brown says:

    Following the Professor…….

    • camanokat says:

      I have been perplexed about the huge division on HP about this case. To me, it’s pretty clear that Z lied about the event to protect himself from prosecution. What is astonishing is the lengths Zim’s supporters will go to excuse his behavior.

      The difference between Trayvon supporters and Z supporters is the difference between logical views of the evidence versus emotional feelings about the players.

      Some of his actions, viewed alone, seem to be innocent, but taken altogether as a whole, show he was wrong. He has acknowledged he was told not to follow (no, don’t ask me for the link, it’s in the state’s evidence dump which you can find for yourself if you are intelligent enough to use Google), he rejected that directive and followed anyway.

      Z claimed that TM bashed his head and punched him in the nose several times, yet the photos at SPD show a guy with pristine clothes (except for grass stains on the tip of his boots, not on the back) and a few tiny little tiny scratches that didn’t even require medical attention, which he refused several times.

      If Z’s story is to be believed, TM should have had Z’s DNA all over his hands and sleeves, but there was none. Remember, at the time, Z was bald. yet had a little mustache/goatee that held his DNA and blood and saliva if his story was correct. TM should have had Z’s DNA all over his hands and sleeves. Where did it go? . Z had none of TM’s blood on him even though at that close range, with TM on top, he should have been sprayed with it, at least a little bit.

      Trayvon’s clothing had none of Z’s DNA on it, and his fingernail clippings had none of Z’s DNA on them. How can you can hold a bald guy to shove his head in the ground without digging your nails into his skin? It makes no sense.

      The body of Trayvon was found 40 feet or so away from where Z claimed the “fight” began, and according to Z, ended with the killing of Trayvon. How do you explain that? Did Voldermort levitate them away from the point where Z claimed the entire event took place?

      TM supporters look to the evidence, not the emotional fanaticism of Z’s supporters who worship the words of Z without examining the actual evidence.

      • Xena says:

        @camanokat.

        The difference between Trayvon supporters and Z supporters is the difference between logical views of the evidence versus emotional feelings about the players.

        It’s not just HP. When I first began reading comments regarding this case, it became very clear to me what motivates GZ supporters — racial hatred. They don’t actually support George Zimmerman the person. Rather, they support what he did.

        In commenting to you, I opened another page and went to Yahoo’s article — the one that quotes Professor Leatherman. The following are current comments. I am numbering them as a separation point. Forgive the filth. It’s not mine — just demonstrating their motivation.

        1 – Trayvon Twitter Picture • 2 hrs 5 mins ago
        Gz nigers need killing period.

        2 – what contribution have nigers made in America name one! peanut butter? trraffic lights? GIVE ME A #$%$ BREAK THEY ARE LEECHES PLAIN AND SIMPLE THIS WORLD IS TO ADVANCED FOR THEIR SAVAGE APE BRAINS TO FUNCTION IN LIKE NORMAL AMERICANS PERIOD.

        3. Aceeyeed • 4 hrs ago
        logic if the white man wanted to get rid of the Black man, and other trash, there would be no prisons. like in 1750. No prisons just hanging stands.

        4. Rich Green • 5 hrs ago
        …of course they don’t want to go into the little angel’s background. They all know that he was a heathen punk thug who knew how to fight to kill. I would have shot him dead twice. The only good nignog is a dead one.

        Now you see why GZ’s supporters do not look at, neither discuss the evidence?

      • Brown says:

        following the professor means I am following the blog comments

      • racerrodig says:

        Well stated. My observation is the same. The professor stated about a month ago “Anyone who supports Zimmerman is a racist,anyone who donates is a stupid racist” Nothing could be more true. You’ve probably seen on HP how I ferret their BS out and rip it apart. To be honest, it’s child’s play.

        The fact is they don’t care about Z at all…it’s about what they call “..the right to self defense..” Read “Gun NutZZ” and they are overjoyed that “..one of us shot one of them..”

        Look at the sock puppet garbage they pull. One will hijack a thread and post 50 ridiculous posts in a row and under many names…..this spells out the IQ and thinking level that they have. Low Double Digit and Disingenuous Racist Thinking.

      • rachael says:

        Makes me almost afraid to go out of my house. How do I know a person who wrote that crap doesn’t live next door to me? It hurts so much to know there are people like this.

      • Malisha says:

        What’s “HP”?

      • rayvenwolf says:

        @malisha: Huffington Post, where a good few of us have vacated because of just how impossible it was to hold any sort of rational conversation regarding the case without the trolls or the obviously racist GZ supporters.

      • looneydoone says:

        Malisha, “HP” is Huffington Post
        or, as I call it Huff-poop

      • What’s quite amusing is that the Huff-Po Zim supporters/racists think that we have lost interest in the case because we’re not there arguing with them and their absurdities. Just an observation, the first time I went to the Yahoo site was to see where Professor Leatherman had been mentioned. I was horrified by the hate-filled racist ugliness there. Much worse than Huff-Po.

        • Xena says:

          What’s quite amusing is that the Huff-Po Zim supporters/racists think that we have lost interest in the case because we’re not there arguing with them and their absurdities.

          Zidiots are trespassers who claim the territory as their own with disruptions and to frustrate. They envy pro-justice folks who find blogs such as this one because even the treeslum won’t allow certain language — dog whistles are accepted. They get their argument of the month by lurking on the treeslum, then bring it over to Huff-Po, Orlando Sentinel and Yahoo comments.

          Yahoo is the worst because;
          1. After the first day of the article, there are less readers who care about reading comments, so abuse is not reported, and;
          2. Yahoo moderates by robot, so they can mask racial slurs and not be censored, and;
          3. Yahoo allows filthy avatars, such as the photoshopped pics of Trayvon and Sybrina.

  2. TruthBTold says:

    I wholeheartedly agree with you Professor. I read the motion today and was like, and? Corey’s office was called in to run an independent investigation and they reached a different conclusion. Also, MOM at every hearing attempts to try the case and BDLR is on to him as he stated last week that he is not there to try the case. I also appreciated Judge Nelson putting an end to even the attempt at bickering. I very much appreciate the safeguards afforded to all of us and respect those that uphold them with integrity in pursuit of justice, but MOM and his team are really leaving a bad taste in my mouth; his antics. Did y’all see their attempts at “deposing” attorney Ben Crump at the hearing? Disgraceful. I’m out.

    • TruthBTold says:

      Oh yeah not only that, they are asking for relief outside of judicial authority. They did not even provide case law to support this “interesting” request. Even the judge stated that she has to see if she has the authority to grant such a request. Then MOM, after the fact, wants to say they will also check to see as well. Something to that effect. Oh please *roll eyes*

    • racerrodig says:

      Notice Moron O’ Mara goes from Sgt. Santiago to “Investigator…” about halfway through. There is no doubt he is trying to show him to be more important than he is.

      I agree with the professor this is a low move. There is no doubt his only shot is pack the jury with racists.

      • Malisha says:

        Remember, racerrodig, in the Hannity interview, George pointed out that “the investigators” told him that Trayvon knew he had been speaking with the police? That was given as the reason that Trayvon was holding ONE HAND over George’s mouth and ANOTHER HAND over George’s nose (and leaning on them as hard as he could so he could SMOTHER George) while smashing his head on the sidewalk and punching him — see? So he couldn’t tell the police where to find him to rescue him! An investigator told him that!

      • looneydoone says:

        racer
        I wonder if “Investigator” Timothy Smith has a starring role in MOM’s *Witnesses to the Sequestering of Prophylactics* burlesque he’s hoping will make it’s debut in a FL Courtroom

    • Tzar says:

      Why doesn’t O’Mara just present to a jury the evidence the cops used to spring Zimmerman instead of telling us that they wanted to?…something we already know

      PS: I am assuming that evidence is still how we do these things not simply the word of the killer.

      • The “evidence” to which he refers is irrelevant and inadmissible.

        The opinions of cops working the case regarding the guilt or innocence of the accused are not evidence. They have no evidentiary value and the rules of evidence do not permit that type of testimony.

        O’Mara knows this or should know it and this is why his motion for prophylactic sequestration is an intentional bullshit excuse (i.e., motion unsupported by any legal authority) to publicize information obtained during a deposition, which is a violation of court rules, in order to continue to try his case in the Court of Public Opinion.

        I think Judge Nelson should strike the motion, hold him in contempt, and fine him $500. If he does it again, she should put him in the slammer for a week.

        That’s what I would do.

        What he did is really outrageous and a direct challenge to Judge Nelson’s authority. IMO, she needs to figuratively speaking slam him up against the wall for pulling that cheap stunt. She needs to let him know in no uncertain terms that he is on her turf where she is the boss, not him.

        • Xena says:

          The “evidence” to which he refers is irrelevant and inadmissible. The opinions of cops working the case regarding the guilt or innocence of the accused are not evidence. They have no evidentiary value and the rules of evidence do not permit that type of testimony.

          IMO, O’Mara filed that motion to appease the Zidiots. By his filing of it, this is what they now believe:
          1. It proves a racial conspiracy to wrongfully arrest GZ.
          2. Corey will be thrown out of office and with that, GZ’s case will be dismissed.
          3. GZ will then sue for malicious prosecution, in which case Attorneys Crump and Jackson will be deposed, perjure themselves, and disbarred.

          It’s a tangled web of a conspiracy theory but as long as MOM caters to them, they believe the sequence will result in punishment against all involved, including the embarrassment of Trayvon’s parents.

      • Tzar says:

        “The “evidence” to which he refers is irrelevant and inadmissible.”

        well that’s…problematic

      • Tzar says:

        “O’Mara knows this or should know it and this is why his motion for prophylactic sequestration is an intentional bullshit excuse (i.e., motion unsupported by any legal authority) to publicize information obtained during a deposition, which is a violation of court rules, in order to continue to try his case in the Court of Public Opinion.”

        he disrespected the court by using for this purpose. I hope Nelson reprimands him.

  3. ed nelson says:

    Well, I should read more poetry, I wish I would have begun to read earlier in my life… I like good prose, to wit: “prophylactic sequestration.”….

    How about… “prophylactic”… UP YOURS ASSHOLE

    • EveryOneIsEntitledToTheirOpinion says:

      Lets all get along…. Everyone is entitled to their opinion here..

    • Mike says:

      Trayvon was holding ONE HAND over George’s mouth and ANOTHER HAND over George’s nose (and leaning on them as hard as he could so he could SMOTHER George) while smashing his head on the sidewalk

      Experiment Time , try putting one hand over your mouth and one hand over your nose, results are that it only takes one hand to cover ones mouth and nose. Two hands would cover your eyes too.

      • leander22 says:

        Mike, I doesn’t feel as easy as that. I can easily cover with one hand both my mouth and nose, with the other my eyes.

        I am not sure, but maybe I could smash your head to the concrete too, considering that’s were it already rests at that point. There is at least one witness claiming that’s were he saw both, “John”?

        The problem I had with John from the very start is that considering what happened, I somehow don’t trust him. Fact is, I know, this highly speculative, and the time interval is very, very short, nevertheless, had some of these witnesses acted differently, they could have prevented Trayvon’s dead, maybe by their mere presence.

  4. EveryOneIsEntitledToTheirOpinion says:

    Following

  5. Jun says:

    I think even if Omara tries to get a KKK jury, it wouldnt help Zimmerman since he is hispanic and that would constitute a jury that is not impartial and bias, hence Zimmerman would get retried anyways.

    • katieunc says:

      Zimmerman cracks me up…..his race changes about as quickly as his mood swings. His medical record states he is white but daddy says he is hispanic. Blah blah blah. I usually just check the “other” box on those medical forms. I think GZ is a racist hispanic….. who wanted to be white…… who wanted to be smart…. but is really stupid…….who wanted to be the NW HERO………but turned out to be a ZERO at the expense of a childs life. What a psychopath!
      And if MOM thinks he is going to be another JOSE he is as ignorant as GZ. At least Jose knew when to keep his mouth shut.

      • Jun says:

        I keep forgetting about the pic he stole from Joe Oliver to claim he was 0.000000001% black

      • bettykath says:

        His race is white, his culture is Hispanic. He is both, legitimately.

      • Jun says:

        He’s actually half white half hispanic… they listed him as white because I guess thats what he told cops

      • katieunc says:

        Bettykath
        I call myself multi-racial. I acknowledge my culture and race. My point with GZ is he uses which ever suits his particular need at the moment.

      • @bettykath, why do you say he is white? because he says so? have you had a look at him? because i have and he is clearly not white!
        him and his brother are dieing to be white! his brother on the young turks show said the word white 8 times in a 6 minute time span- and it wasn’t even relevant to any question he was asked.

        robert jr. a few weeks ago was pushing the so-called-white-guilt card. but before that he pushed the Hispanic card.
        there is no such thiing as hispanic white. thats just some new check box on the census form.
        calling him white, in GZ’s case irritates me because it’s like justifying this sick alliance to the racist zimmerlovers that wanna divide us.

        i live in miami and here there really isn’t such a thing as white hispanic or black hispanic. your either spanish or not.

        I’ve been going on and on about how we don’t even know who his real mother is, much less what she looks like. and i;m not even convinced Robert sr is his bio father. with all the lies they have all told – including his father, brother and the woman that claimed to be his mother on tv, why should i take anything GZ says?

        • cielo62 says:

          Shannon~ I am Hispanic white. My cultural background is Hispanic. My RACE is caucasian. I hate to say it, but Zimmerman is ALSO Hispanic white. We DO exist in rather vast numbers. There is also black hispanic, Jewish hispanic (Jewish is a religion, after all), and who knows? Oriental Hispanics as well!

          ________________________________

      • ladystclaire says:

        @Jun, did he really steal a photo from that fool idiot Joe Oliver to make people think it was his black great grand father? just how low will these people go here where this case is concerned?

      • Jun says:

        Claire

        I do believe that the photo is a phony for Zimmerman to play the “I’m black so I couldnt be racist’ card…

        but the Joe Oliver thing I wrote is a joke

    • looneydoone says:

      Jun, Jun, Jun
      gz is Caucasian (white)
      “Hispanic/Latino” is not a race. It is not an ethnicity
      It refers to a culture, a sharing of history, and a commonality amongst the world’s 26 Spanish speaking nations.

      • Jun says:

        Latin America has natives, which is what I am referring to, kind of like how the Aztecs are now modern day mexicans

        I think you are thinking of Spain

      • looneydoone says:

        No Jun
        Aztecs are not “modern day Mexicans” and I’m not thinking about Spain.There are 53 different officially recognized Indigenous dialects spoken in Mexico

        “Natives”, or more appropriately the Indigenous people of the Americas are Amerindian…..*.Mexicans* (Mestizo’s/Mixtos) “Latinos/Hispanics” are the blending of Amerindian and *other*, most commonly European bloodlines., but not exclusively.

        This demographic is Mexico’s, but is applicable across all Latin America
        http://mexidata.info/id1442.html

        “Latinos/Hispanics” are
        Caucasian, Black, Asian (races)
        Scots, Jews, Chinese, Japanese, Amerindian, etc (ethnicities)
        Blond, brown, red and black haired
        Brown, black, green, blue, hazel and gray eyed
        very fair, medium and dark skinned

        The only constant is their language, cultures and history’s

        gz “is listed as white” because he IS *white*/Caucasian (race)

      • Jun says:

        Well thats what I meant… i didnt know the exact wording

        but he is racially the native of the Peru

      • looneydoone says:

        Jun,
        You say gz is “racially a native of the Peru”

        I say his mother is more likely descended from the large German/Austrian immigrant communities located in the Oxapampa and Lima region. “Peruvian” is a nationality.

      • Jun says:

        Perhaps he is a mestizo because he looks like a mix of white with another race/culture of people.

      • bettykath says:

        The people of India and Pakistan are also Caucasian and some of them are very dark. It isn’t just the shade of the skin. To be more accurate, as looneydoone says, GZ and his brother are Caucasian and of Hispanic ethnicity

      • cielo62 says:

        Tienes razon, looneydoone!

        ________________________________

      • looneydoone says:

        mil gracias, cielo
        I wonder if we’re making any progress in our tireless efforts to explain what “Hispanic/Latino” is…..and is not

  6. Malisha says:

    Judge Nelson knew very well that there is no legal basis for the “emergency motion.” Her saying, “Golly Gee do you think there is Florida law setting a precedent for this?” was a way to prepare O’Mara for the obvious: NOT. But yes, O’Mara only did this to get some more purchase from the public outcry about how the big bad female prosecutor went against all decency and all righteousness in daring to charge this poor innocent man with murder when allz he ever wanted was to draw his next breath which was being choked the hell out of him by a vicious skittles-bearing deranged thug.

    The “emergency motion” is straight out of Dershowitz’s closet.

    It will avail nothing. The public brew-haha is simply O’Mara’s way of trying to turn the jury pool so saline that Corey has a reason to allow a plea. But I think they both knew that all along and still do. They are, together, torturing the Fulton-Martin family and for that should burn, but that’s part of the process in these wonderful courts.

    AND until someone just tears a courthouse building down brick by brick (I would imagine it would have to be the Incredible Hulk plus Spiderman plus Batman plus Superman and Green Hornet and the Guerilla forces from the Haunts of Hoot and Kern) this is what we got. :-(

    Still, it’s better than a Zimmerman WALK. :!: He ain’t gonna walk.

    • Jun says:

      A grown man stalks and kills a kid, who only had skittles and ice tea…

      & the only reason to prosecute the grown man that did this is “politics” according to Omara LMAO

      I am not a legal expert but I am fairly sure a huge part of the crime of murder is “KILLING SOMEONE”

      • Tee says:

        This always makes me upset when I think of it. how in the world do we explain that a kid was killed after leaving a store buying snacks and the person who did it went home that same night. I don’t care what anyone say race is the elephant in the room. Had Trayon been white there is no way in hell the world would except something so tragic every parent in America would be screaming. My daughter and son should be able to go to the store and not fear for there life. A person should be able to verbrally disagree with someone and not be in fear for my life. What have this country become when a presidential candidate can say 47 percent of American think that they are entitled to FOOD and he still be in the running. I for one I’m scared of what this country is becoming. We are allowed to lie, Cheat, steal, and kill without consequences.

    • Xena says:

      But yes, O’Mara only did this to get some more purchase from the public outcry about how the big bad female prosecutor went against all decency and all righteousness in daring to charge this poor innocent man with murder …

      You mean, a woman has no authority to find what the good ol’ boys in Sanford didn’t look for?

    • bettykath says:

      Malisha, How about we sell tickets to that building tear down. I’d love to see all those guys work together. Awesome picture.

    • Malisha….Just a question from someone who knows almost nothing about the law (though I’ve learned a lot here), If a defendent feels that they cannot get a fair trial in the county/state that they live in, because the media has tainted the jury pool, and asks to have the trial moved elsewhere…..can the prosecution do the same thing? Since MOM seems to be conducting this trial in the court of public opinion, it would seen to be nearly impossible, as Prof. Leatherman pointed out, to find jurists that aren’t racist and very pro-George. Can the prosecution ask for the trial to be moved so that they will also have a fair trial?

      • Jun says:

        We will wait but I believe they can because Trayvon deserves a fair impartial trial as well

      • rachael says:

        As far as I know, either party can request a change of venue, but it is up to the judge.

      • Malisha says:

        Never heard of it.
        I’m not too terribly worried about a trial. This theater is prep for a plea bargain. It will be used to calm down the people who insist the state should have gone to trial, by telling them:
        (a) we couldn’t, we would risk an acquittal;
        (b) we didn’t want to put the family through all that torment when Trayvon’s character was assaulted; and
        (c) you know, the prosecution witnesses couldn’t hold up; and
        (d) Corey was scared her real purposes would have been found out.
        The reason reason, IMO, that there will be no trial is that if the FULL State’s evidence came out, including:

        1. Folks called the police on George and made complaints repeatedly before the killing, including charges of him patrolling with a loaded gun;

        2. AFTER those complaints George and Taaffe were both still harassing people and it began to be a problem at HOA meetings;

        3. At least two complaints turned in to the police resulted in some kind of complaints against officers involved, probably Smith;

        4. Lee was not having an easy ride either and George was writing letters to the police alternately criticizing one officer and praising another;

        5. On the night in question, there is evidence not only that George and Osterman worked together to stalk Trayvon but that the police — probably Smith — were getting read to make an arrest based on “sudden” info from George;

        6. Shellie knew about the whole thing;

        7. After the killing of Trayvon Martin the cops on the scene were careful NOT to gather the kind of evidence that would nail George, but were unaware that such evidence existed in spite of their studied indifference;

        8. Osterman AND OFFICERS coached George on what to say and how to work the “self-defense” claim;

        9. Osterman told George to ask for a VSA and the officers prepped the VSA guy on how to carefully let George beat it;

        10. They all painted the walls green so he could lie on the test;

        11. They lied and lied after the killing to keep covering for George until the thing became so big they couldn’t;

        12. Then as more evidence came out they began to release their little photos of his terrible injuries;

        13. As Lee got fired and the case crumbled they circled the wagons and tried to find their allies and the “MMA PUNCHES” witness changed his story;

        14. When the sh*t really hit the fan they officially shut up but several of them created “leaks” to stoke the theater, and several of them are involved in the Thuggification Efforts.

        The state has MUCH MORE EVIDENCE than we have ever seen. And O’Mara knows it.

      • You said,

        “Can the prosecution ask for the trial to be moved so that they will also have a fair trial?”

        That’s a very good question and I believe the answer is “No.”

        A defendant has a Sixth Amendment right to be tried in the jurisdiction where the crime was allegedly committed. The Sixth Amendment states:

        In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

        If the State files a motion for a change of venue and the defendant objects, which I think Zimmerman would do pursuant to O’Mara’s advice, I believe Judge Nelson would have to deny the motion because, if she granted it, she would have violated his Sixth Amendment right to have case tried in Seminole County with a Seminole County jury.

      • bettykath says:

        If it is the state that is in charge of the prosecution could an argument be made that the trial could be held in another county within the state?

        There were some NYC cops who were tried in Albany for killing an unarmed young man, Amadeu Dialo. (SoBs got off. They used a Black prosecutor who didn’t mention that the cops were all white undercover and the victim was a young Black immigrant. 41 shots were fired by these sharpshooters of which only 19 were used to kill the Amadeu.)

        • The four NYPD cops who shot and killed Diallo were defendants and the case was moved to Albany to protect their right to a fair trial, given the extensive adverse pretrial publicity against them in NYC. That is consistent with their Sixth Amendment right.

          Zimmerman probably would be entitled to a change of venue, given the extensive pretrial publicity, but I don’t believe he is going to request it because he and his lawyers believe that publicity will actually help him, if he is tried in Seminole County.

          Their opinion of Seminole County jurors must be disrespectful and low, isn’t it?

          I think a possible solution, assuming Zimmerman is acquitted, may be a federal prosecution against him, and possibly others, for a federal hate-crime violation.

          Think Rodney King, for example.

          I’m going to do a little research on this and post an article in a few hours.

      • ladystclaire says:

        @ Brandi Kansas City, you can’t remember another child murder victim in this country being vilified because, “THIS IS THE ONLY ONE!” Trayvon wasn’t committing any crime and he wasn’t up to no good, what he was though, he was an African American child which to these “WHITE” racist is a crime in itself. there have been many, many white kids murdered in this country and never once, have a black person vilified, smeared or slandered that child. at the same time blacks haven’t donated money for the defense of the guilty person in those murderers as well. this case makes it more evident, that some whites in what is suppose to be the greatest country in the world, will never accept African Americans and that is sad. the things that some have posted on yahoo, just goes to show that those who own these web sites and allow such to be posted on their sites, are also racist and that goes for hp also. SMH

      • Malisha says:

        The only way to lift the trial of George Zimmerman out of Seminole County, in my opinion, is federal charges. In fact, I believe the 42 USC 1981 section, known as the civil rights act, provided for just such cases, where prosecution in the geographical area where the crimes were committed took place only to be “show trials” pretending to apply the laws when they were really “walks” handed out to criminals who were enforcing slavery after it was made illegal. I believe the charges brought by Corey were designed to get the feds OFF this case by showing that the State could handle the case on its own and that it would not permit a cover-up to rule the day. This is the reason I think the deal includes the imperative that George do substantial prison time UNLESS he goes to trial and takes his chances.

        All this theater won’t help George with a jury. If a trial takes place and he gets a hung jury (which is the best he can hope for), the prosecution will try him again. And again if necessary. They have to get themselves out from under the feds, and they will do it on George’s a55, which he provided by his illegal act of murdering a kid to advance his own “career.”

      • Thank you all for your reassuring answers. This is something that has bothered me since I started reading about this case…and also, how the jury would be selected to make sure that KKK types wouldn’t be chosen. That was answered in the later post that the Professor used as a topic.

    • camanokat says:

      HP is Huffington Post. Couldn’t reply directly to your question upthread.

      • Malisha says:

        Oh! :oops: Of course!

        I was thinking, “Honest Papers”? “Horrible Press”? “Happy People”? “Hannity Propaganda”? “Hell’s Peeps”? “Higgeldy Piggeldy”? “Horse Puckey”? “Honkey’s Pals”? “Heuristics Professors”? …gave up.

      • @Malisha…….Actually….I think your idea of what is “HP” is not only very funny, but probably much more accurate too! :-D

  7. Brandi Kansas City says:

    Mr Leatherman esq.

    Thank you. These “messages” are disturbing. I cant remember seeing any case where a child murder victim was so villafied.

  8. Xena says:

    Finally, I was struck by the use of the term “prophylactic sequestration.” I am tempted to run with it and make fun of it, but I am going to resist the bait and simply condemn it as a theatrical trick to grab attention.

    MOM already made a video about it.

  9. Xena says:

    Professor. MOM’s motion has an underlying agenda for GZ’s supporters. They have written about it on the internet. You see, they think that his motion will “expose” Corey as charging GZ to satisfy “race baiters” and rather than face embarrassment with having State witnesses deposed to “tell the truth,” she will dismiss the case against GZ. The second part of that agenda is that once the case is dismissed, GZ can sue for malicious prosecution, live on some island where he is safe and not have to work for the rest of his life.

    • Jun says:

      LMAO I am in the same boat as the professor in saying that Omara is not a professional anymore.

      • Xena says:

        LMAO I am in the same boat as the professor in saying that Omara is not a professional anymore.

        I saw the rehearsal to the breakdown at the bonding re-do hearing when he asked Judge Lester if GZ could address him without being subject to cross. When he starts raising up on his toes and the bailiffs get closer, I will be on the edge of my seat.

      • racerrodig says:

        I said it before and I’ keep saying it. Moron O’ Mara exemplifies the term “Scum Bag Lawyer”

      • Malisha says:

        You know, recently I was wondering how the middle class was going to pull itself up by its bootstraps now, and it occurred to me that at least in Florida, there is a method, although perhaps unorthodox.
        1 – Kill an innocent Black kid;
        2 – Get the cops to cover up the crime;
        3 – Talk about god while the demonstrations call for your arrest;
        4 – Go on-line looking for money;
        5 – when you have enough money, cut bait and run to the Islands and live the life of luxury forever without having to work.

    • katieunc says:

      XENA
      I can see MOM and GZ thinking that. I wonder, in what utopia do they live? I want to see GZ convicted! He can work on his hoodie jokes for 25 years. I hope he never has another peaceful day on this earth no matter what the outcome may be…….karma is a bitch and she is already hard at work!

      • Xena says:

        Amen to that. MOM’s motion is most likely to backfire on him. Had the SPD investigated impartially, there would have been no need for the appointment of a Special State’s Attorney.

      • Xena says:

        @katieunc.

        XENA I can see MOM and GZ thinking that. I wonder, in what utopia do they live?

        Well Katie, you see it’s like this. MOM is not just representing GZ. He is also counselling with Papa Zim, Junior, and every person dedicated to the treeslum. They will have a Halloween party in honor of GZ (of course, where no one is recognized) to raise money for his legal defense. That is why MOM wanted to get the depositions out of the way so he can attend.

    • Rachael says:

      Yes, he is going to get enough that he will be sble to pay off the mational debt and be a hero they say. SMH

    • looneydoone says:

      Xena,
      I wonder if popsi zee’s aligning himself with the outhouse will cause any substantial negative backlash for the defense. Jr’s “Dog Whistle” media blitz seems to have elicited very little support from “the masses”……….or maybe they’re quietly donating large sums of money to the parents website as a means of circumventing oversight by, and accountability to the Court. How can George continue paying 7/24 security and living expenses when the fund MOM controls has been exhausted??

      • Jun says:

        Zimmerman is under a microscope. Even if they try to sneak it the way they do it, everything is on a computer, which leaves trace. Zimmerman, if questioned, will have to answer to where the money came from. You see if Zimmerman is getting money funneled, he has to pay his lawyer out of his own money that he is getting. If he claims indigence, and that will be questioned because of his credibility, he will have to answer to that because Omara would be ultimately pulling a scheme on getting funds from taxpayers for his lawyer services when Zimmerman has the ability and will to pay them. Besides, his security thing should not even be an issue (he still owes a million to that bond company if he tries to skip)

        • Xena says:

          Zimmerman is under a microscope. Even if they try to sneak it the way they do it, everything is on a computer, which leaves trace.

          Which might be an interstate crime since it circumvents the order of the court, and if so, the feds will let the activity go on as long as possible to accumulate more counts.

      • Xena says:

        Xena, I wonder if popsi zee’s aligning himself with the outhouse will cause any substantial negative backlash for the defense.

        The State is unlikely to “go there” because their case is tight. Who Papa Zim and members of his family associate with is more than likely part of the federal investigation.

        or maybe they’re quietly donating large sums of money to the parents website as a means of circumventing oversight by, and accountability to the Court.

        Of course. They openly posted that scheme on the treeslum. I have screenshots of those comments.

        How can George continue paying 7/24 security and living expenses when the fund MOM controls has been exhausted??

        Well, when he appeared for court Friday, he didn’t have security. I think his private security has been let go because he could no longer afford them. Neither was GZ wearing a suit — it was a sport’s coat, so evidently, MOM is not increasing GZ’s allowance as his weight increases.

      • Dave says:

        Xena, just before GZ left the courtroom, I thought I heard someone identifying himself to a cop or bailiff as “his security” (an older, grey-haired white guy).

        • Xena says:

          @Dave.

          Xena, just before GZ left the courtroom, I thought I heard someone identifying himself to a cop or bailiff as “his security” (an older, grey-haired white guy).

          Don’t know — but he walked into the courthouse alone. Maybe his driver was also acting as security and came in later after parking.

  10. Malisha says:

    I think what Ed Nelson was saying was a joke on the silly “legalese” term O’Mara made up. Hey O’Mara: Put a condom on it!

  11. Xena says:

    LLMPapa’s newest.

    • Rachael says:

      Oohhhh, thank you!

    • LLMPapa says:

      This liar did NOT want to admit the truth of having RAN to chase down this child!

      • Xena says:

        This liar did NOT want to admit the truth of having RAN to chase down this child!

        Oh yes. When he did the re-enactment, he probably forgot or hoped that the cops forgot that the call was recorded. Listening to that call, the wind and heavy breathing continues even after GZ said “Okay” in response to “We don’t need you to do that.” He was determined to find Trayvon.

        IMO, GZ only stopped running when he heard Trayvon’s phone ring and/or Trayvon talking on his phone. That would be a bit after 7:12. Suddenly, GZ’s tone changed and he sounded pre-occupied. He didn’t want to give out his full address because “I don’t know where this kid is.” Logically, if he saw Trayvon go in back of the houses, and if he (GZ) wasn’t in back of the houses, why would he suspect that Trayvon could hear him?

        Around the time when Trayvon received the call from DeeDee, GZ changed his plans to meet the cops at the mail boxes and asked that they call for his location. He was still determined to find Trayvon and now he had Trayvon’s voice to follow.

      • Tee says:

        He chased after that child anyone with common sense know this. You can hear the wind moving rapidly that’s why the operator asked him if he was following him. He is a liar and we all know it even MOM knows it.

  12. Malisha says:

    He he he he love that musical background, “lie to me.”

  13. Xena says:

    Remember this back in April? Now, he is going after documents that may become “misplaced” and made public. SMH.

    • Jun says:

      I can see the changes in Omara…

      Pretty much Omara started becoming an asshole after the bond fiasco where he got caught with his cohort consorting to hide money and passport

      • Xena says:

        @Jun

        I can see the changes in Omara

        So I’m not imagining things? Just after the second bond hearing, there were comments on the treeslum to the extent that unless O’Mara did this and that, that they would not donate. The prophylactic motion is part of the treeslum’s conspiracy theory. They are pimping him out, leading him like a carrot before a donkey’s nose. But, it’s MOM’s reputation — and that poison known as George Zimmerman who is toxic to everyone who supports him.

      • Jun says:

        You can see the changes… look at him here and then in later dates… his face has really changed a lot… he was a lot more calm and composed at the beginning and had more tact and respect…

    • Malisha says:

      O’Mara uses his hands in a weird way. So does George. George does it with his hands symmetrically; not O’Mara.

  14. grahase says:

    As the judge said anyone can go down the hall and submit a motion. Once the motion is accepted, it is made public. What is particularly offensive is that OMara did not do that very thing. He entered the motion in open court under the guise of it being an Emergency. He has displayed a disrespect for the court by having just plunked it down before the judge and prosecution by misrepresenting it as an emergency. He knew, once filed, it would be made public and BDLR asked to have it sealed until the judge and prosecution had a look at it and had an opportunity to respond to it. He knew what he was doing. He knew the judge would not grant the motion. He didn’t cite case law to support any sign-off. In essence, he got what he wanted, in open court. Total disrespect. The court should do whatever is necessary to stop O’Mara’s strategy – the mockery of the judicial system. The news media will fight for transparency and will likely win. This motion has revealed just how low OMara can go by revealing information taken at deposition. That alone should warrant some kind of fine or charge. He has gone way too far, IMO.

    • Tzar says:

      “He has displayed a disrespect for the court by having just plunked it down before the judge and prosecution by misrepresenting it as an emergency.”

      I just posted the same sentiment. I hope he is reprimanded for it.

  15. grahase says:

    Don’t detectives and other law enforcement meet regularly when gathering evidence in a murder case. So what if they felt the evidence was not leading to an arrest. The forensics were not even in yet and Zimmerman wasn’t arrested until enough evidence showed cause. So, what was in there that was an emergency.

    • Jun says:

      Allegedly what Omara is trying to prove some huge conspiracy to prosecute a man who killed a kid, when in fact, the man did kill the kid

    • Two sides to a story says:

      Am I dense or missing something? We didn’t know about the meetings per se, but the public already knew that the general consensus at SPD was that they didn’t feel there was enough evidence to charge GZ. So what’s up with this tempest in the teapot?

    • bettykath says:

      I agree. I’m not surprised that the SPD and DA met to discuss an on-going investigation. I think O’Mara is saying that he should have been told by the prosecution that the meetings happened and that they didn’t want to prosecute. But this isn’t hidden information. I knew there was discussion, some officers didn’t want to prosecute, others did. Serino took a recommendation of manslaughter to the da who rejected it on the basis of not enough evidence.

      There seems to have been more people involved than I previously thought. Enough more that it stinks. But I see this as more of a cover-up or a political unwillingness to pursue the charges that should have been brought in the first place.

      This is ALEC territory. ALEC has lots of money and lots of clout. If Obama wins, the feds might step in re: the SPD (not GZ). Don’t expect a Romney DoJ to go after them though.

      • Jun says:

        What would their motivation for the cover up be?

      • bettykath says:

        ALEC is trying to get SYG accepted. Corporations and super rich people have armed security guards. There is an expectation of another economic meltdown, food shortages, etc. resulting in riots and such. They want their guards to be able to shoot people and not be held accountable. They don’t want any liability attached to whatever actions are taken to protect their property.

      • Malisha says:

        Not only is it not hidden information, it’s NOT EVIDENCE. What happened on 2/26/2012 is evidence. What cops thought about it afterwards, said about it afterwards, or lied about it afterwards, is not evidence. If it were, probably no crime ever prosecuted in this country could escape public scandal.

  16. bm says:

    “There are videos out there suggesting that he involved himself in MMA fighting,” he said. “That he has an experienced level with that
    Read more at http://hiphopwired.com/2012/10/22/george-zimmermans-lawyers-granted-access-to-trayvon-martins-records/#Dyoi2WVXelTAy2g6.99
    What videos if he can find them why can’t i find them
    Wouldn’t some one at his school come to say he is bully

    • Jun says:

      I doubt there are videos b

      but even then

      it still doesnt prove Zimmerman acted in self defense

      its pretty much him saying that because you know a martial art, it means you are allowed to be killed, and the killer can use that fact to claim he/she acted in self defense

      Besides, forensics dispute everything Zimmerman claimed happened to him from Trayvon

    • Malisha says:

      He wasn’t a bully.
      AND there’s no evidence he was.
      The bully was Zimmerman.
      It’s easy.

    • Rachael says:

      I thought thete was one where he was refereeing but it was debunked but it wad just someone mamed trsyvon. And who knows if those guys really knew MMA pr wete just preyending to from what they watched on TV. And with that, LOTS of kids watch it on TV. My ex and I did and he would make runnibg secual commentary about the positions. But we atr not violent people, not likely to break out in MMA moves bevause we watch it. Anyway, iF he had te

      • Rachael says:

        Ughgg, my hone, anyway, IF he had training it wasn’t official, his parents said he wasn’t “trained” in it and they would have found out where he was taking lessons and nothing has turned up. It could be in self defense he was trying anything, even possibly stuff hed seen on TV but the video I know of was debunked. Also, the outhouse says stuff about a tweet from his brother after he was suspended aboit you didnt tell me you swung on a bus driver so they are sure there is a bus driver out there without getting it could very we be a figure of speech. You know like when his brother found out he was suspended for a long time, what did you do to get that, swing on a bus driver type thing – wow, long suspension, you didnt tell me you swung at a bus driver lol. You know. If that had happened it would have come to light by now. The outhpuse is just full of excrement.

      • Jun says:

        That twitter has long been debunked

        but even then… it just proves they talked about swinging on a bus driver… at the most that proves… that he said he swung on a bus driver LOL

      • @ Rachael & Jun, After all the talk about the “Outhouse”..lol…I finally went there..LOL…They are STILL talking about the bus driver “incident” and are convinced that MOM paid the guy to keep quiet..LOL..LOL…They were asking each other if someone could access, through freedom of information, the records pertaining to this “incident”. They are positive that they have the “goods” on Trayvon being a “thug”…LOL…LOL…LOL

    • ks says:

      Aside from being irrelevant, the whole MMA thing is absurd. Like a lot young teenage males, he probably enjoyed watching it and faking it as it’s been the “hot” new thing for awhile. Kind of like how pro wresting was when I was a kid. But the idea that he was seriously “involved’ or, even more ridiculous had an “experienced level” with it is ridiculous.

      • Malisha says:

        If he was a blackbelt with teaching certification that doesn’t make a difference. He was not doing anything when George came upon him; if he defended himself, good on him. I wish he had defended himself more effectively, amen!

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          My understanding is a “white belt” would have easily bested GZ and rendered him ineffective until the police arrived. Travyon had no combat training at all. It’s obvious because GZ would have had serious injuries and his weapon would have been taken away from him if and when he decided to draw it. Otherwise he would have had to draw his weapon early and fire it from a distance, which was not the case.

          GZ displays a high degree of abject stupidity, so there’s nothing to make anyone think he did anything intelligent that night.

      • Lonnie Starr says:

        Martial arts schools are all registered and licensed, they keep records of enrollment and attendance. There’s no one doing “sand lot” training anymore. If there were, word would be all over about it. So, basically if TM had any training it would have to either come from school or his father would have to pay for classes. Neither is the case. Trayvon just wasn’t a physical kid, he was bookish.

        If MOM keeps this up, he’s going to have to wear a proper outfit in court, you know the one with the crazy quilt patterned jumpsuit, with the double pointed hat with bell tips.

        Oh wait Mr O”mara, see what happened down at the T? No shot was fired there! If TM had martial arts training, GZ would have been out cold right there when the police arrived, to arrest him for armed stalking.

  17. Malisha says:

    Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, you will hear that Officer Anderson did not want to charge George with a crime, and you will hear that Officer Barker did not want to charge George with a crime, and you will hear, also, that Officer Carter did not want to charge George with a crime, and moreover, Officer Davis did not want to charge George with a crime; as if that wasn’t enough, you will hear that Officer Elgin did not want to charge George with a crime, and furthermore, neither did Officers Fox, Garfield, Howard, Idleweiss, Jones, Karp, Larson, Munsen, Noonan, Overton, Pullman, Quirk, Roberts, Smith, Thompson, Underwood, Voorhuis, Williams, Yancy, and Zarin — they all met, NONE of them wanted to charge George with a crime. After all, what did George do to get charged with a crime? Nothing. It’s not illegal to protect your neighborhood. It’s not illegal to call the non-emergency police number. It’s not illegal to walk through the neighborhood looking for an address. It’s not illegal to tell someone you don’t have a problem, especially if you don’t. And it’s not illegal to protect yourself when you’re about to be killed by a thug who has broadcast his evil intentions on FaceBook.

    What did George do to get charged with a crime?

    I’ll tell you: He got on the wrong side of the Elephant in the Room. He got the “politically correct” police pissed off because they thought he said “coons” when he only said “punks” — that’s why! For changing three little letters, this man’s life was ruined! And he’s not a racist! He’s a Hispanic with a Black ancestor and cute photographs! He had so many African American friends they could make their own demonstration! You know how they love demonstrations!

    So I ask you, why did Prosecutor Corey charge him with a crime? All the police, the guys on the ground, they KNEW better. THEY knew they couldn’t make the charges stick. But the word came down from higher up that this man had to be tried for murder — to satisfy the MOB. From higher UP! That’s not Democracy! That’s UnAmerican. Every American in this room has to understand what they’re trying to do to my client, that innocent man there in the yellow tie with his poor wife weeping behind the defense table. Be Free Americans, stand up right now and demand that these charges be DISMISSED and you won’t have to be sequestered with prophylactics. TELL THE PROSECUTOR: You’re mad as hell and you’re not gonna TAKE it any more.

  18. grahase says:

    Regarding LE meetings, please watch:

    by SandfordWatch entitled: Sandford Police Secret Meet Prosecutor dated APRIL 5th, 2012

  19. grahase says:

    Please watch video by SandfordWatch dated October 22nd, 2012:

    • Xena says:

      @grahase. That is what’s strange about MOM’s prophylactic motion. It was no secret that the SPD failed to conduct impartial investigation. Serino’s Capias was even based on what GZ said, but at least he understood where GZ was the aggressor. I remember one of his questions to GZ was “What set him off?”

    • Malisha says:

      That’s no “major surprise development” in the case. You NEVER have a fix and a cover up without any secret meetings! O’Mara just took this opportunity to be able to say things he knew would titillate his fan-base. Sales of cheetos have gone up.

      • Malisha says:

        There was an assistant DA who was “very upset” at a suggestion that George be charged with manslaughter? Oh how terrible! But after all that person needed to just take a xanax and calm down, because if poor George had been charged with manslaughter, all that would have to happen was that a public defender could be appointed to represent George, and they could have a quick SYG hearing, and then — no problem, the charge would be dismissed and everything would be OK again. So whoever that assistant DA was who got “very upset” I hope he or she feels better now. Because surely O’Mara will be able to do half as well as a PD, especially with the retired PD Don West at his side. Those upset prosecutors, you know how they can get.

  20. bettykath says:

    Two Law and Order shows on self defense, one dealing with defendant attorney who believes her client intends to commit perjury. Season 3 shows 7 and 9

  21. grahase says:

    I don’t know about USA News media. But, I have noticed in the news many reports in the last wee while about black teens caught on video just out of the blue, without the white guy realizing, punch the white guy in the face and continue to beat the guy senseless. Well, I don’t know if this has been going on for awhile without the news reporting it. But it seems to be sort of a message to me in Canada – not knowing the American culture. It is telling me that it is not impossible to believe that Trayvon would just haul out and punch Zimmerman without provocation and without warning. The news says there is a name for this teenagers game. I just can not remember it right now. Are the MSM trying to make an impression to the potential jury pool. Just a thought.

    • Jun says:

      I heard Malisha write on here about this but I will just say each case is different and that black guy may have punched the white guy but that doesnt mean Trayvon did that, it only means the black guy in the video did that. And it does happen… look at what Zimmerman did… he got set off for no reasonable reason and stalked, chased, attacked, terrorized, shot, asphyxiated, and ultimately killed a kid out the clear blue sky.

      • grahase says:

        Jun – No, no, no — I may have not been clear in my post. These are groups of different black kids, usually in groups caught on video playing this so-called game where someone is minding their own business, walking down the street. As he passes these kids, one of the kids will punch him in the nose. When he falls ( and by the way – it is always forward) they continue to kick and punch. These are on different days, different states, different people. I will let you know the name of this game after I go back to the news.

      • Jun says:

        Are you sure its not from CSI? I seen that on the Tv show before

    • I know one of the stories that you are talking about. It was about a teacher who was, I believe, walking out of the school and through an alley. There was a group of black teens (that didn’t go to that school) that were waiting at the end of the alley that punched and beat him. I can’t recall where it happened but, I have no doubt that the Zim team (or the Outhouse gang) will probably use this to try to show the public that Trayvon was no different than these kids.

      • grahase says:

        No doubt — I googled it and the teen was arrested – 15 years old. You can bet this has been fodder for discussion to bolster their claims. I just wonder why these things are being reported in National news reports now and not before. Maybe it is a new phenomenon as a result of a new video game called sucker punch (something like that). In any case, this is NOT the type of action taken by Trayvon on the night he was murdered.

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          Don’t let the TCTH see this: http://tinyurl.com/8ekfa2g
          6 year old beats up 220 lbs gym teacher.

          The point is, if you want to go RBION (Ripley’s Believe It Or Not) you can find just about anything.

          We note that the gym teacher wasn’t following the toddler, nor was he armed and an angry self appointed neighborhood watch “authority”.

      • Rachael says:

        They have. They have. Of course it has nothing to do with Trayvone who was walking ALONE and approached by someone who was suspicious, maybe looked like he was on drugs, he didn’t know what his deal was when he approached him interrogating him unidentified.

      • Malisha says:

        THESE KIDS WORKED IN GROUPS.
        There are no incidences where a single teen took on a single adult. In a group, anybody is safer making an unprovoked attack. I was attacked by three guys when I was 11 years old; they lasted about two minutes and I didn’t look any worse than they did when it was over, although my knees were shaking and I was embarrassed. Bully attacks require either that you’re with a group OR you’re armed.

      • Malisha says:

        Grahase, I’d like to see the forensics on the 15-year-old they arrested for punching and beating the guy. But he had DNA on him from the encounter!

    • grahase…..Since I’m not able to download videos on my computer, I sometimes have a difficult time finding the stories in text form. Re: my last comment. The teens sucker punched the teacher, Jim Addleberger of Pittsburgh, but did not beat him (as I had read from one comment.
      The “game” you asked about is called “Knockout” or “Knockout King”. The object of the “game” is to walk up to a victim and sucker-punch them to see if the attacker can knock the victim out with one punch. This was first scene in 1992 when this happened to a MIT student.

      • Instead of “scene” (good golly), it should read “seen”…..how did I do that….I must have movies on the mind…lol

      • grahase says:

        Okay – That is what I was looking for. This is how it was reported in Canada. Thanks for the info.. Just shows how the MSM can slant a story. Terrible reporting. I was imagining this so-called game as spreading throughout the USA for whatever reason.

    • Malisha says:

      Of course, Grahase, it certainly is by design. Before OJ’s acquittal there were something like two dozen TV shows and three movies released about innocent guys being railroaded. The impression that Trayvon would haul off and punch Zimmerman has to be presented as a normal kind of behavior (again) so that the theater can present its whole Second Act. Third Act will be a plea bargain.

      What this crowd doesn’t realize is that they’re giving a subliminal message to folks: If you want to be non-violent and law abiding, that’s very good, but you must face the idea that you’ll get killed for no reason and nobody will be punished. On the other hand, if you want to be violent and murderous, you might have a better chance. If somebody comes up on you to kill you, you might be able to kill them first — and you might have every good reason to go ahead and try, without first attempting any other response — because THEN you get, at least:

      an appointed lawyer at state expense
      some newspaper articles pro and con
      jail and trial at state expense
      appeal at state expense
      habeas corpus at state expense
      appeal of the habeas corpus at state expense
      clemency motions at the expense of private organizations who are very well organized and prepared to do this for years
      Internet petitions broadcasting your plight all over the world including to the Vatican
      and if all else fails, a last meal

      Check it out, which one do you want? Killed on the spot? Or all that at state expense?

      This can become the message of the Zimmerman case. I don’t think it will. I think the message will be: If you’re going to be as stupid and obnoxious and murderous and racist and dishonest as this bozo here, you’re gonna do BIG TIME in the BIG HOUSE.

      • Lonnie Starr says:

        This can be a “watershed” case for the State of Florida, if they face the music and clean out this town. It’s no secret that there are many, many small towns in Florida that harbor racists LEO’s. It’s no secret that Florida’s police forces are where “dirty”/failure cop’s from the big northern cities find refuge. They come from New York, Chicago, Philadelphia and Boston. As well as from a few large southern cities. Where they get drummed off the force, denied promotions, demoted and/or are restricted to desk duty, because of anything from serious crimes to serious infractions that prove their inadequacies. Florida’s small towns accepts them with open arms, glad to get big city trained police personnel. SPLC also notes that there are always a few bad apples who fly below the radar, who are actually card carrying members of one or more of the various hate groups around.

        The State needs to make a show of cleaning up this historical mess that has been festering for a very long time. This case would make a very good start, being on the world stage as it is. They don’t notice how all this corruption has been hurting Florida’s economy, but it has, and they won’t see how badly, until they begin turn things around.

      • Jun says:

        I think Florida hurt its own reputation on its own, perhaps purposely. Not only do they have criminals that commit robberies and murders, now they can kill someone, and no proper investigation done. If they dont hurry and fix that mess, I guarantee you that State will turn into a war zone. Thats not attractive for people to do business there or visit there, because it is anarchy.

        (1) Montanez shot and killed a guy over $150 and claimed self defense and it took 3 years or so to prosecute the guy
        (2) Tooley went to a basketball court and threatened kids with a gun, then ended up killing a man trying to disarm him and that guy is still in prosecution
        (3) John Orr stabs someone 75 times and he is still being prosecuted

        I could find more but if you live there, if someone kills you, you can not be guaranteed any justice. Its become kill or be killed, and whoever survives, gets a SYG claim. The simple idea that “Hey, someone can kill someone and even get away with it by law” attracts people to pull these stunts. I believe in self defense but something needs to be done about this, because there are more deaths since this SYG thing was enacted then there ever were before.

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          It’s all part of the ALEC plan to destabilize the government so that the wealthy can take over using their privileged status. It’s a very short sighted ploy that will not have the intended effect. “The wealthy” are only wealthy because they live under a stable government. If it should become destabilized, they will lose their wealth. Heaven only knows how they’ll fare under what sort of government comes next. But, for now, visions of sugar plums dance in their heads. And will probably continue to do so, until the first few rich people get shot by their heirs who mistook them for intruders and Stood their Ground.

          These guys are not “Ben Franklin’s”, they’re only thinking about their selves not the good of the nation they rely upon.

      • Xena says:

        The impression that Trayvon would haul off and punch Zimmerman has to be presented as a normal kind of behavior (again) so that the theater can present its whole Second Act.

        In all the “Trayvon doubled back” mumbo-jumbo, they forget something. Trayvon would need to be clairvoyant to know that GZ would get out of his truck and follow him on foot. He would need to know beforehand where GZ would walk and how long he would remain outside his truck giving Trayvon time to double-back and know exactly where GZ would walk by him so he would know when to become invisible and visible again.

      • grahase says:

        Well said Lonnie Starr -
        The Occupy Wall Street crowd are attempting to bring this to the attention of the citizens. But, the 1% have the power and control. The 99% are considered the unwashed, the disposable masses. This is a very important election for the 99% and the issues are not confined to the United States. The 1% don’t care where in the world they make their money as long as they are making money. Pure, evil greed.

      • roderick2012 says:

        Jun, you’re incorrect about how the incident involving Tooley occurred.
        Tooley did yell at the kid who was skateboarding on the basketball court but he didn’t pull his gun on him.
        Tooley ( who was in his early 70’s at the time) only brandished his gun (by raising his shirt) after James (who was in his early 40’s) told him to leave the kid alone.

        After Tooley turned around to walk away James charged him and when Tooley turned around to face James Tooley ended up underneath James and that’s when Tooley drew his gun shot and killed James.

        There were even witnesses to the incident yet Tooley wasn’t granted immunity at his SYG hearing.

  22. Lonnie Starr says:

    So now motions are to be used to “get the word out”? Well, that’s not going to work really well, the Southern Poverty Law Center says that the white power forces are very disorganized. Very few of them are not criminals or haven’t engaged in criminal misconduct, so MOM is going to have trouble getting more than one on his jury. They’re pretty easily detectable as well. Just have a few blacks walking around the jury pool room and watch on the cctv. My guess is the SP can get a court order to allow it in this case.

    • Thanks Lonnie…I’ve wondered how the prosecution would be able to filter out the Z-supporters in the jury pool. After reading their comments on other sites, it’s frightening to think of people with that kind of mentality sitting on a jury of any trial.

      • Lonnie Starr says:

        As a general rule the state will use it’s own people to pick jurors, but in this case I think they’ll bring in a professional consultant. As many man hours and therefore costs, as the state has put into the case already, it wouldn’t do to have that effort scuttled for want of a miserable few extra bucks. Especially considering the cost of a re-trial and the potential for prolonged tensions to boot.

      • Jury selection may turn out to be the most important part of the trial for the prosecution.

        They really need to focus on it. One advantage they have over the defense is that they can run a records check on every prospective juror. They have access to non-conviction information that may be useful in identifying jurors they need to persuade the court to excuse.

        There also is a legal issue regarding whether running those checks is an unauthorized violation of privacy laws because, generally speaking, access to non-conviction data is strictly limited to legitimate law enforcement inquiries and judicial consideration prior to sentencing. The answer would depend, I suppose, on Florida law.

        There also is an issue regarding whether they would have to share the information with the defense.

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          I think there’s room for the judge to enter an order permitting exceptional scrutiny in this case, because it is well known that a single racist on the jury is entirely likely to pervert the course of justice for no other good reason than the color of the victims skin.
          A concept that is and should be so intolerable at law, as to warrant exceptional and extraordinary measures be taken to exclude anyone who can be detected as a “racially driven” person. After all, such a person would not, in reality, be impartial.

      • Malisha says:

        They are not smart enough to “pass” when it comes to careful jury selection techniques.

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          If the judge permits extraordinary juror selection techniques it’s likely they’ll get a “clean” and impartial jury, capable of reaching a credible verdict.

          That’s the thing, the verdict has to be credible, not tainted by the suspicion that a racist somehow found their way onto the jury and ruined the trial result.

      • grahase says:

        Professor — Well, according to OMara, there is no right to privacy with Facebook and Twitter accounts.And, he tells us that this information is chock full of character information. Easier to check a jury now than ever before.

      • Jun says:

        Thats not true. Facebook and Twitter both offer options of protected posts. If they choose to protect their posts, then that is on them. There is also a factor of authentication because anything and everything can be hacked. SOULJAH BOY is a good example, because he got hacked, and someone posted homophobic messages on his social media. I also would not say that what is posted is or could be 100% character of a person because there is also the fact that people put on online fronts of who they are.

  23. grahase says:

    Please note: The Emergency Motion has disappeared from the gzlegalcase site. Hmmmm…..

  24. thejbmission says:

    Professor,
    I don’t know what Santiago is talking about. I think he’s blowing smoke up O’Mara’s skirt.
    On page 19 of 183, Serino prepared a 7 page report on March 3rd, less than a week after the shooting.
    Snipped:

    Report of Investigation – Page 19 of 183
    Investigator Christopher Serino
    7 page report
    Note* Charges – HOMICIDE-NEGLIG MANSL-F.S.S. 782.07’1

    I don’t know if they all agreed on 2nd deg murder but it looks like more than one were thinking manslaughter, now I know Serino wasn’t the ONLY investigator who saw through Zimmerman’s lies. Singleton had his number too.
    Yes something’s “prophylactic” but its not the “sequestration.” O’Mara needs to look at his client.

    • Xena says:

      Thanks for pointing out the date on Serino’s Capias.

      O’Mara needs to look at his client.

      I think he did and then Papa Zim and sundancecracker told O’Mara how to proceed to deflect off GZ and onto others.

  25. @Xena says:
    October 23, 2012 at 1:39 am

    In reply, Xena, sometimes words fail. IMO Yahoo needs to clean up its act. There is no excuse for allowing incitement of hate crimes and violence anywhere on the internet.

    Just at a glance (really all I can stomach of Yahoo) it looks like a white supremacist doing some sock-puppeting (using multiple identities to make it look like different people are posting the same message in agreement…a sleazy, dishonest way to bolster).

    It’s probably one pathetic sociopath sitting behind a computer screen someplace. The comments follow the same boilerplate hateful language.

    Amazing that people like this breathe the same air as the rest of the passing public, walk shoulder-to-shoulder on the same sidewalks and drive up and down the same streets, somehow passing themselves off as human beings.

    Plus, I am not sure if the hater behind the computer screen received the memo that the President of the United States is Black.

    Also, people like this display obvious flaws in their ability to think logical thoughts: On the one hand, they want to claim that GZ had all kinds of close friends who are black, but on the other, they want to incite hate crimes and violence against Black people.

    No amount of psychiatry can address the sickness that involves 1) lacking a conscience and 2) lacking a connected synapse in the whole head.

    • grahase says:

      There aren’t enough Internet laws yet and it has become a stronghold for child molesters, pornography, sex offenders,and for bullying. So, there is alot of money invested in keeping things just as they are. What people don’t realize is that there is a major difference between freedom of speech and hate speech. The laws in this country need to include internet crimes. But these people could be anywhere in the world, they could be 14 years old spewing crap. Because these people have had this freedom, they will not go down without a fight for freedom of expression,freedom of speech, freedom of the press, etc., etc.. All this crap on the web needs to be deemed unacceptable. But, it won’t happen and we all know that. Not in this society.

      • Oops, just lost some words to the cyberspace sucking wormhole void. Was going to say that Cyber Bullying is just beginning to be a topic. The ‘justice’ system, however, such as it is, at the rate things are going, will do nothing to correct material harms that arise directly from incitement of violence on the internet. Of course, the very same ‘justice’ system won’t be shy about invading the privacy of John and Jane Doe Public and trumping up a bunch of bogus charges.

        Safe to say that I have no faith at all in courts, judges, attorneys (aside from my husband), cops, detectives, crime labs, or anything else associated with the current system.

      • Lonnie Starr says:

        But… Perhaps we’re better off in a place where people can expose their true selves? It could even be critical, just imagine one of these people presenting themselves as and impartial juror for a trial. Their IP address will give them away instantly. They want to play in public, fine, better here than in some dark alley. At least they are discoverable here.

      • Xena says:

        Know what Grahase? News sources that post on the internet can start eliminating that filth by eliminating their comment sections. There was a time on the internet that if people had interest in a subject, they joined a newsfeed, or forum or Yahoo group. But, news services want advertising dollars and to get them, they need numbers to show advertisers; “We have 2,000 visitors to our site per month” when it truth, it’s probably 10 people babysitting the comment boards and spamming it with filth.

    • Malisha says:

      IMO, the fact that our president is Black has caused an upsurge in that form of racism where the racist feels that he has been done-to, taken-from, dissed-by, and emasculated by Blacks. It’s a particular kind of person who gets into this downward spiral of psycho-fever hate speech; they carry on an intense, almost constant (enhanced by drinking) internal monologue of telling themselves how much greater, richer, better of, and more generally respected they would be had not all these anti-them Black thugs not mistreated them so horribly. They’re comical except that they’re also murderous because of their dangerously failed egos and lack of self control. They are not terribly numerous but they’re “squeaky wheels” so they get lots of oil.

      • Rachael says:

        I agree.

      • Excellent points, thank you for the reply.

      • Xena says:

        They’re comical except that they’re also murderous because of their dangerously failed egos and lack of self control. They are not terribly numerous but they’re “squeaky wheels” so they get lots of oil.

        There was a man who came to the courthouse on a regular basis that most judges recognized his tactics as those used by sovereign citizens.

        After Barack Obama was elected in 2008, that man would not come to the courthouse, do his business and leave. He made rounds into any and every room in the courthouse that he could enter. He started off by asking anyone who made eye contact with him, “How do you feel about America having a Muslim in the White House?”

        Not getting conversations neither the attention he wanted, he progressed to asking, “How do you feel about having a nigger in the White House?”

        One day, a Sheriff came to escort him out and he began arguing with the Sheriff about his constitutional rights of freedom of speech and using the N word was allowed when the White man was in power and control but the N’s had taken away most of the White man’s rights.

        That’s how they see it.

    • Lonnie Starr says:

      Is there no way to report this to yahoo? I’m sure they don’t want to be known as a bastion of hatred.

      • I am not sure they will do anything, Lonnie. I once reported someone to twitter and received a message that said, in essence: ‘free speech. anything goes.’

        • Lonnie Starr says:

          To that extent they are correct, having freedom of speech also means that we have to tolerate speech that we find objectionable.
          People who allow post on their sites have rules, and don’t design their rules to prevent posting objectionable ideas and even some objectionable speech, as long as it is on topic. Otherwise there’s no point in discussing any subject, if all one is going to hear from is “the choir”.

          Of course, off topic speech that’s both objectionable, anti social and outside of the expected civil normals is ripe for removal.

          But this freedom is a double edged sword, the haters often forget that. They are creating a record of their personal leanings, that might come back to haunt them.

      • ladystclaire says:

        The Huffington Post hasn’t done ANYTHING about the racist rants that’s taking place on their site Black Voices so, I doubt that Yahoo will do anything either. YouTube is another example of white racist being able to just toss the “N” word out so freely without anything being done to put a stop to these people who are hiding behind a computer screen, instead of their nasty bed sheets. just how great can this country be, with people like this being a part of it?

        • Xena says:

          @ladystclaire.

          The Huffington Post hasn’t done ANYTHING about the racist rants that’s taking place on their site Black Voices so, I doubt that Yahoo will do anything either. YouTube is another example of white racist being able to just toss the “N” word out so freely without anything being done to put a stop to these people who are hiding behind a computer screen, instead of their nasty bed sheets. just how great can this country be, with people like this being a part of it?

          IMO, sources such as YouTube and blogs are those where people come deliberately, and there is a choice over what to read/hear. When news sources allow comments to article, they should be responsible for moderating in a fair way so that offensive comments are removed.

          I mean, people can read the article and not scroll down to comments, but there is an attraction for some readers to want to post their comment ABOUT THE ARTICLE. Those sincerely doing so often find themselves personally attacked for sharing their opinion about the article.

          Effectively, comment portions on news sources are being used for debate, when they were not originally intended for that purpose. There are also many who leave their comment about the article, and never return to read replies. The Zidiots find comment sections to news articles convenient to post filth and they take advantage of them to turn the subject to race even when the article doesn’t mention race.

      • Xena says:

        Is there no way to report this to yahoo? I’m sure they don’t want to be known as a bastion of hatred.

        It’s been months, but when I tried communicating with Yahoo, they have a contentious process for reporting abuse. They have a special screen and report form and to get to it, you go through about 5 other “clicks.” You send them the link, the title of the article, a copy of the comment(s) and they email back asking for the link, the title of the article, etc., and after getting that info, they email back and say it’s not in their department, you have to contact another dept., etc.

        Their comment boards are moderated by robots that censors certain words, links, names of companies, etc. Call them, and you find that the “reps” are in other countries who have no idea what is and isn’t hate-speech.

        The only time I saw Yahoo take action and delete comments containing hate-speech and racial slurs was when I emailed their public relations dept. With the next article, the pattern repeats itself so the company is not doing anything for a permanent solution to the problem.

      • rachael says:

        In many countries, hate speech is a crime. Here in the United States, even some of the most vile insults are protected by the First Amendment as long as they don’t incite violence (hmmmm, “these assholes,” “these fucking coons” then someone ends up dead?)

        However, CIVILIZED people know that just because hateful language is legal doesn’t make it right to use it.

        Just like sure, maybe it was not illegal for GZ to get out of his vehicle and and follow Trayvon or go in the same direction or whatever the eff he was doing after being told not to was not illegal, that doesn’t mean it was okay and now a child YES A CHILD is dead.

        Just because something is not illegal, doesn’t mean it is okay or good or the right thing to do.

        Just because we have certain freedoms here, does not mean there are no responsibilities that go with it.

        • Xena says:

          @Rachael.

          Just because something is not illegal, doesn’t mean it is okay or good or the right thing to do.

          Rachael, I went around this mountain with a Zidiot back in April. There is no law against going in the direction as another, but doing so with a bad motive towards them is unlawful. GZ followed with a motive to restrain. He announced that loud and clear, “These assholes, they always get away.” GZ has no authority to retain/restrain anyone on his suspicion that they are “up to no good.” His action was contrary to the rules of NW.

          The Zidiots, including Osterman, argue that GZ had a license to conceal carry so it wasn’t illegal for him to carry when he called NEN about Trayvon. Well, when he made that call, he put on his NW hat and when he got out of his truck and followed Trayvon, he was in violation of NW rules.

          So, I use an analogy that applies to secured buildings; airports, courthouses, federal buildings, etc. Had GZ called about a “suspicious person” who entered an airport, he would not have been allowed through airport security with his gun, PERIOD.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            “Going in the same direction as he was”??? Gee, exactly how many people were out there moving around? What? Only two! And yet Trayvon was unable to figure out that the man who had followed him before, was now only going in the same direction as he was?

            Gee, going in the same direction as Trayvon had to take him pretty darn close to be able to fire a shot in contact with TM’s clothing, eh?

            There appears to be a claim that GZ learned TM’s name late that night. While the police claim they didn’t know who TM was, until Tracy called in a missing person that morning. “Datniggytb” went up on the 27th.

          • Xena says:

            “Datniggytb” went up on the 27th.

            Lonnie, it’s my gut feeling that “Datniggytb” stands for “That Niggy (N word and young person) Took A Bullet.” Thus, the y on the end meaning “young” and tb meaning “took bullet.”

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            Be that as it may. GZ says that he learned of TM’s name sometime late that night on the 26th. That should not have been possible.

          • Xena says:

            Be that as it may. GZ says that he learned of TM’s name sometime late that night on the 26th. That should not have been possible.

            There’s a report in a document dump that is timed for 3 a.m. on 2/27 that has the name of the victim/deceased. It’s late and I don’t want to look for it now (think it’s in the first discovery release) but I remember seeing it.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            Okay, so then TM was identified by 3:AM 2/17/12. But, IIRC they say they couldn’t get into TM’s phone, they had to wait until sometime after dawn, when Tracy phoned in a missing persons report. So that should be the first time they could identify TM.

            If that is true, then it means that someone actually knew who Trayvon was, without using his phone info and because he had no id. Unless I’m missing something, the SP needs to zero in on who wrote that report and get some answers about who was able to id TM so early.

          • Xena says:

            If that is true, then it means that someone actually knew who Trayvon was, without using his phone info and because he had no id.

            It leaves some options. If the HOA requires residents to turn-in names of visitors temporarily residing with them, the police could have gotten the I.D. that way.

            I don’t know about Florida, but in Illinois there is a program to fingerprint children and place the prints in a missing children’s database. With my son’s first school trip with the chess team, fingerprinting was required.

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            While anything is possible, I think they were working with the idea that TM was an outsider who didn’t belong in the RTL. At least no one was able to identify him as a resident, even though this was his 6th day at RTL on this trip alone.

          • Brown says:

            Your post got me thinking about something I read from a 29 page discovery file I have in my computer. In Serino’s report he mentioned that TBM had no criminal background but had a “field contact in Miami-Dade, Nov 2011. I found it curious because he never stated what the field contact consisted of.

            Page 4 under Victimolgy

            http://www.scribd.com/doc/98332017/Pages-From-Police-Reports-Without-Statements-Redacted

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            That field contact could have been about the jewelry he was found in possession of. Because there was nothing further, it was probably worthless costume jewelry that school security was trying to make something of. Believe me, if it was anything serious, it would have resulted in an arrest, they don’t cut black kids any slack. So, it had to be nonsense.

      • Jun says:

        I know a simple way to get Yahoo to clean up its act

        Make a media piece about it…

        put it on TV

        Tell the world Yahoo allows hate speech to roam free on their website

        Then see how quickly they rush an apologetic statement and start monitoring comments

      • PYorck says:

        I found it curious because he never stated what the field contact consisted of.

        I think the most common theory is that it was the jewelry thing.

    • Xena says:

      @Crane-Station.

      IMO Yahoo needs to clean up its act. There is no excuse for allowing incitement of hate crimes and violence anywhere on the internet.

      Yahoo has a contentious process to report violations, and they never get back to you with what they are going or not going to do. As I understand it, some of their independent reporters are compensated by activity to the page, and I am sure that they use the number of visitors to impress advertisers also.

      Just at a glance (really all I can stomach of Yahoo) it looks like a white supremacist doing some sock-puppeting (using multiple identities to make it look like different people are posting the same message in agreement…a sleazy, dishonest way to bolster). It’s probably one pathetic sociopath sitting behind a computer screen someplace.

      Oh yes, and I have an idea who it is. This goes back to April when one person started harassing and personally attacking all pro-justice comments. Out of nowhere, along comes another handle that he began posting to as though the comment board was a chat room and that person would answer and back-pat his comments. Then there were 3, then 4, etc. He admitted to having numerous accounts and his reason was because he accused “Trayvonites” of having numerous accounts because of the number of thumbs up to their comments.

      Then he engaged a practice of thumbing down comments until they are hidden, raising the number of his accounts to at least 20. And, when I was commenting and observing, it was obvious — when he was thumbing down comments, none of his “handles” were posting comments. After discouraging “Trayvonites” from commenting, he then takes over the board using it as a chat room for all his different personalities.

      His stated reason for photoshopping pics of Trayvon, Sybrina, Rev. Sharpton and attorney Crump to demean them, is in retaliation for people talking against GZ and ShelLIE.

      The truth is that after Yahoo removes the article from its homepage, no one reads it anyway but that same person continues to post to the comment board until another article about GZ is posted. I came across the latest article and in reading it, saw where they quoted the Professor. If not for that, I would not have scrolled down to read the comments.

      Plus, I am not sure if the hater behind the computer screen received the memo that the President of the United States is black.

      Read a comment back around May there that asked, “How did that shoeshine boy get in the White House.” Crane-Station, these are not just hateful folks, they are also evil.

      Also, people like this display obvious flaws in their ability to think logical thoughts: On the one hand, they want to claim that GZ had all kinds of close friends who are black, but on the other, they want to incite hate crimes and violence against black people. No amount of psychiatry can address the sickness that involves 1) lacking a conscious and 2) lacking a connected synapse in the whole head.

      Very well stated.

      • Unbelievable. That was a wake-up call for me, thank you for the information.

        I cannot imagine living a life so consumed with hate. I don’t think I have ever met anyone so consumed with hate. That includes all the people I met in prison.

        • Xena says:

          Unbelievable. That was a wake-up call for me, thank you for the information. I cannot imagine living a life so consumed with hate. I don’t think I have ever met anyone so consumed with hate. That includes all the people I met in prison.

          Crane-Station, it was a wake-up call for me too. What puzzled me is why those so hateful choose to park in a comment section of news articles? Unless you’re looking for it, you don’t know the comments are there. For Yahoo, the links for those articles are gone after several months.

          There has to be some sort of dysfunctional psychological problem for them to comment back and forth with themselves.

      • Lonnie Starr says:

        If Yahoo won’t respond, you can at least make it an issue on other media comment sites. If the comments draw enough “amens”, the media will pick up the gauntlet. It’s the kind of stuff they love to do, rolling around in the mud.

        • Xena says:

          If Yahoo won’t respond, you can at least make it an issue on other media comment sites. If the comments draw enough “amens”, the media will pick up the gauntlet. It’s the kind of stuff they love to do, rolling around in the mud.

          Lonnie, while I hear you, I have to ask if it’s worth my time? From time to time, I do copy and email the comments to whatever advertiser is on the page and have also considered setting up a petition to boycott such advertisers until such time Yahoo moderates and disallows the filth. However, there are just so many battles that this Xena can fight at one time. :-)

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            Not a problem, since no matter what you do the problem will not go away. Even if you do win a few battles. Still, don’t let that cause you to miss a chance to zing yahoo for it, whenever and wherever the opportunity arises.

          • Xena says:

            Still, don’t let that cause you to miss a chance to zing yahoo for it, whenever and wherever the opportunity arises.

            Lonnie, talking with you about this has given me an idea for my blog. Advertisers and consumers have a right to know, you know? :-)

          • Lonnie Starr says:

            Of course, of course, it’s freedom of speech and prophylactic informing. :lol:

  26. rachael says:

    There he goes again. I know this was posted yesterday, but now it is posted on O’Mara’s site so it makes me wonder if it really was intended to be private, private my ass.

    Media whore.

    From O’Mara’s site:

    Zimmerman Defense Invites Public Scrutiny of Media Policy
    on 23 October 2012.

    Monday morning we sent this email to a person who has offered support to the defense, and since then it has been widely circulated on the web:

    All this week we’ll be preparing to defend ourselves against the State’s renewed motion for a Gag Order. We’re confident that everything we’ve posted, and everything we’ve said publicly is proper and well within our rights, but we know that on Friday, the State is likely to find the most questionable thing Mark’s said and present it to the Court. I’d like to ask if you and other supporters could help us scour the web and, strange as it may sound, send us links to the most potentially questionable statements we have made during this process. Again, we’re confident ALL our statements are easily defendable, we just want to know what we’re likely to have thrown back at us.

    Although we originally intended for the message to be private, we feel the message is sound, and since it has been made public, we extend the invitation to anyone who has an interest to participate: send us a link to any statement the defense has made publicly about the case that you think is inappropriate.

    When we set our communications policy, we knew we would be under intense public scrutiny, and we are confident the whole of our efforts will stand up to that scrutiny well.

    You can submit links via the commenting below, or you can tweet a link and reference the @gzlegalcase handle.

    http://gzlegalcase.com/

    • bettykath says:

      My submission for the most outrageous statement would be the very public emergency motion for “prophylactic sequestration”.

    • grahase says:

      They really, really want a gag order, don’t they. It is not just what they have said, it is what they have done. By creating a Facebook page, a web-site etc.., they opened the door knowing exactly who was coming in – by invitation.

    • Jun says:

      I think they should at least get Omara to stop discussing the case because in all honesty, even though he does not want to admit it, he always discusses the case, and only uses George’s testimony when speaking, then goes off on tangents of conspiracy theories. As much as I like hearing about the case, Omara is having a negative impact on the public at large and all the racist and hate filled remarks are a prime example of this.

    • ladystclaire says:

      After reading that from O’Mara I now ask the question, WHO IS RACE BAITING HERE? there was never any race baiting in the beginning when Sharpton and others got involved in this case. they only got involved because, the SPD had no intentions of charging and arresting Zimmerman for the murder which he committed. the SPD went as far as to tell Trayvon’s family that there would be no charges against the POS who took the life of their child. I’ll tell you, it’s not easy being an African descendant in a country where you never asked to come to any way. racism in this country will “NEVER” be a thing of the past in this country. nobody is born with racism, this is taught from the time little ones begin to talk. how shameful that this is all some parents have to teach their children, is how to hate others because of the color of their skin. GOD MADE MAN IN HIS IMAGE and, that goes for us as well.

  27. Malisha says:

    O’Mara used two four-syllable words in a row to get the Zimbots all fired up; they now think they’re geniuses! I heard that two of them got library cards and immediately asked where the porn section was.

  28. Malisha says:

    Brown, you said “following the professor means I am following the blog comments.” Oh! I thought you meant you were going in the same direction — got confused. :grin:

  29. Malisha says:

    Rachael, you’ve been endangering your posterior, laughing like that so much and so often. Be careful!

  30. Malisha says:

    Jun, you ask, “What would their motivation for the cover up be?”

    Cover-ups are almost always motivated by the need to protect someone within the agency that is covering up. In this case I believe the protection was needed for Smith, Lee and others because complaints had been made by residents of RTL TO THE POLICE on several occasions about George “patrolling” their neighborhood with a loaded gun and threatening folks by subtle and not-so-subtle means. That was reported at HOA and NW meetings. Thus, the police get calls saying something like, “Um, there’s a real suspicious guy here who runs around the neighborhood with a loaded gun trying to scare everybody and we’re worried that one of these days he’s gonna go berserk and shoot someone.” They do nothing about it. Then he goes berserk and shoots someone. OOOPS. :oops: The police have to NOT have this come to anyone’s attention because they screwed up. Lee goes to the next HOA meeting on March 1 and personally intimidates whoever complained about George; that person gets “escorted out” of the meeting! Hmmmmm. Was that person “talked to”? Were there secret meetings about that person’s possibly being arrested for something to shut him or her UP? Were there secret meetings to get rid of the evidence that this sudden murder could have easily been prevented by the police stepping in to tell George that he better not misuse his CCW weapon or they would make sure he lost his license?

    What really happened BEFORE the murder that the police needed to cover-up? Who, besides Lee, was vulnerable?

    Dahn-da-dahn-dahn! :!:

  31. Malisha says:

    Notice that not once has either Zimmerman, or anyone in Zimmerman’s family or defense team, admitted that it is quite natural to assume that he was racist when he shot and killed a kid whom he identified, on sight alone, as being a suspicious punk a55hole who was “up to no good.” Their refusal to understand that on those facts it is NATURAL and NORMAL to suspect racism on his part is the piece of this that is most bewildering. No person of average intelligence would have any problem connecting the dots. It would be a “rebuttable presumption” of anyone with a triple-digit I.Q. So their job would better have been to rebut it than to get all huffy and fuffy and run around screaming that “how dare anybody think that” and that super-defensive non-credible crap. As if we are all to ASSUME that George Zimmerman’s intentions were totally pure and completely wonderful. As if we are to see a man with a gun shoot a kid without a gun and we are to PRESUME the kid is at fault. What fools we are all supposed to be! And how passively and sweetly we are supposed to take our spanking when we get corrected because of our false assumptions which we had no right to make.

    Huh? Is somebody here out of their frickin’ minds or are they just so full of privilege they can’t even IMAGINE a world in which they are not automatically entitled to the deference accorded saints?

    • Lonnie Starr says:

      Because they have no social media expertise, where they thought they were coming to GZ defense, what they were actually doing was making a spectacle of themselves. Now people have gotten bored with watching, so the crowd has moved on. Soon they’ll get the message and fold up their tents.

  32. Dennis says:

    Contempt sounds like a good one to me. O’Mara is constantly doing things incorrectly and thinks he can leak anything to the media without proper procedure or authorization. Throw him in jail.

  33. Colin Black says:

    The emergancy prophylectic seqesteriation goes something along thease lines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As3pRa9O1VM

  34. Groans says:

    From pages 2-3 of the motion:

    “Though quiet during most of these meetings, Serino never contested the consensus of the group that there was insufficient evidence to charge Mr. Zimmerman with any crime.

    “… Mr. Carter [the Asst. State Attorney] was very upset that the case was referred for prosecution recommending Mr. Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter. Investigator Santiago … immediately called his Captain who was similarly frustrated with Serino’s recommendation to file a manslaughter charge.”
    ____________________________________

    Based on the motion, Serino looks rather like a hero now. If Serino had spoken up in disagreement with his superiors, the case might have been taken away from him. So he kept his mouth shut, and maintained his integrity as the investigator by calling it like he honestly saw it.

    It smells to me like both the SPD brass and the State Attorney’s Office were meddling beyond normal in the case, and now Serino’s “demotion” is starting to smell a bit retaliatory. Maybe after all is said and done, he will end up getting his investigative position back (… and more).

    • bettykath says:

      I think it’s up to the DA to make the decision to prosecute or not. Serino did what he thought was right and was rewarded with a demotion. The DA did what he did.

      • Groans says:

        OK. I don’t have experience with how that part typically works.

        • Xena says:

          OK. I don’t have experience with how that part typically works.

          Groans, in general, when the police do not make an immediate arrest, an investigator is assigned to interrogate, locate and interview witnesses, stuff like that. Once they find reason to arrest, that goes to the State’s Attorney (or DA, depends on the State), and it is then up to the State’s Attorney to order forensics, physical evidence, stuff like that.

          Serino’s Capias (recommendation that GZ be charged with manslaughter) was supported on the premise that GZ was the aggressor because he could have de-escalated the situation but did not. State Attorney Wolfinger’s refusal to arrest GZ based on Serino’s Capias effectively conveyed that any stranger can profile, follow, hunt down and kill a child then claim self-defense for purported injuries in which there is no proof as to how they happened because he (Wolfinger) refused to proceed to investigate.

          The victim was dead, so who was suppose to give information conflicting with what GZ said? The victim’s parents are working-class, residing in another city, so what were they suppose to do about it?

  35. LLMPapa says:

    Purely in the spirit of cooperation, I’m gonna do a series of these from the “masses”. Hope it helps.

    • Groans says:

      (Just when you think it can’t get any more bizarre….)

      Excellent. One of your best, yet – and that’s against some pretty steep competition.

    • Xena says:

      HAAAAAA!!! Excellent! LLMPapa, I want to give you a great big hug!!!

    • rachael says:

      scour the web.

      synonyms: clean – scrub – rub – wash

      things that make me go hmmmmm

    • Malisha says:

      Well, there’s an easy explanation for him saying, “That’s undisputed by now.” He is using a heuristic that is called “Truth by Litany.” You say something a certain number of times and it’s then true. Robert Z Senior said Trayvon Martin broke his son’s nose (1); George’s first lawyer said Trayvon broke George’s nose (2); Robert Junior said Trayvon broke George’s nose (3); George said several cops told him his nose was broken (4); he then said he had a broken nose (5); then O’Mara said George’s nose was broken (6); Taaffe, Osterman, Oliver said it too (7, 8, 9) and Osterman’s wife (10) and Shellie (11) and a few Zimbots (12 thrugh 4,997,105) and now we all know that fifty thousand Frenchmen can’t be wrong! HIS NOSE WAS BROKE.

      BDLR disagrees? Politically motivated disagreement, disregard.

    • Lonnie Starr says:

      Dear Mr O’mara:

      You might point out that this “possible broken nose” has nothing to do with justifying the kill shot being taken. After all, according to GZ’s narrative, if his nose was broken, that was a long time ago, at a place far away from where he fired the kill shot. Add that to the lack of evidence that TM caused his “likely” broken nose, and we have no clue as to how or where GZ’s nose was actually broken.

      Could it have been broken, for instance, when a drunken Frank Taaffe thew a bottle to him to drink from? Or did Osterman deck him for saying something frustratingly stupid? Maybe he fell on his face at an HOA meeting when his chair collapsed under the load?

      Point being, only GZ knows where his injuries came from and he’s not telling. But the evidence shows that TM had nothing at all to do with them.

      Meanwhile GZ says that TM learned about his gun, when they were down by the T. You need to explain why, some 40 feet away, TM would attack an adult he knew was armed. Just a few question your jury will want to hear answers to. If you think martial arts training by TM will help you answer these questions, good luck with that!
      Sincerely :lol:

  36. Malisha says:

    Asst. DA Carter was very upset that George might be charged with a crime? HA HA HA when I was just picking names (alphabetically) out of a hat for my angry/funny rant, I chose “Carter” as the name beginning with C. HA HA HA HA HA!

    I think it’s clear that Serino and Singleton both knew George should be charged with even MORE than manslaughter but they probably also knew that he had “protection” and they wouldn’t be able to get past that in the corrupt department run by Lee. I also think there was a lot more taking place in those secret meetings than Serino, Singleton, Ayala, Smith or ANY of them want to say now. I think also that O’Mara’s interest in these meetings is the same as his interest in the FBI file: HOW MUCH DO THEY KNOW? HOW MUCH CAN WE GET AWAY WITH?

    • Groans says:

      I suspect he was very upset that it was put in HIS lap, and he’d be forced to sign off on it officially and publicly – even though “everyone” had agreed to quelch it privately.

    • Groans says:

      The SAO was forced to be the one making the “no charge” decision. And once they did that, things really started happening. Only then did Trayvon’s family have a half a chance at any fairness or justice.

    • Jun says:

      Sounds like Carter is going to be pissed at Santiago and Omara because now people publicly know “He was mad a man was charged for killing a kid, when in fact, he did kill a kid” because the defendant “claims a death beating and it was self defense” but its all questionable at present regarding the self defense claim

  37. Malisha says:

    Looneydoone, Tim Smith is in the top five. He was, I suspect, the officer who was supposed to arrest Trayvon Martin that night. Before the thing misfired.

  38. LLMPapa says:

    Gosh, I hope this is what he had in mind. I, so, want to be helpful.

    • Groans says:

      Such a helpful citizen.

    • Malisha says:

      Oh I can explain that for you, Papa. Mark O’Mara saw that check. It looked suspicious. He tried to get a better visual on it. Then it bounced up and hit him in the nose. It broke his nose. He fell down immediately on the ground. He stumbled and I think he was trying to push it off him. He ended up on the ground. It mounted him. He got paper cuts. He thought his head was gonna explode. He has no stress in his voice so he must be telling the truth. That money didn’t count because it was just going in the same direction he was going in.

      Can you do a video with Mark O’Mara’s nose growing???

    • Jun says:

      Whats even more stupid is he is asking obviously racist and bias people to help him. How are people who are bias, be able to objectively tell him he said anything wrong?

    • bettykath says:

      If O’Mara was signed up pro bono, the money may have been for expenses – experts, copies, court fees, etc. It’s also possible that it was the transfer from the web fund to an escrow account. I know it’s more fun to attribute bad acts but sometimes there’s a reasonable answer.

    • Fed-up taxpayer says:

      Well, there was a zero to the right of the decimal point…

  39. Malisha says:

    You know, there’s another reason O’Mara wants “prophylactic sequestration” of the state’s witnesses: he doesn’t want those who cannot be influenced/intimidated to find out what the others have said to either BDLR or O’Mara. He doesn’t want the FBI getting wind of what he’s trying to set up with the police officers who may be trying to undo the case from within.

    Right now, I have sent a Freedom of Information Request to the Sanford Police Department. It is not about the subject of the motion O’Mara filed. But I did call to get the name of the official Information officer and to check their address, and when I called, the person speaking with me was polite but seemed very hassled and a bit defensive. The funny part is that I was asking for information predating the killing of Trayvon Martin — she did not know this of course. SPD is on tenterhooks right now. They have been recertified and so forth but they MUST know that there are going to be prices paid for what took place from 2/26/2012 (and before) until the time the FBI began its investigation. They are not happy campers. OH! I just thought of another “HP”: “Happy Pampers.”

    • Xena says:

      LLMPapa, remember this one? O’Mara seems to forget why the second bond was a million dollars. That’s the second vid. If GZ cannot afford to live free on bail, he should have stayed in jail.

  40. Jun says:

    I feel Omara’s social media should all be leaked as well as his school records since kindergarten, since he is asking Deedee questions on the stand in the future, how Omara acts, is of utter importance

  41. LLMPapa says:

    This’ll be the last one I have time to help GZLegal Case with today. Hope Mr. O’Mara appreciates these tips.

  42. Malisha says:

    Lonnie, Xena, it was the police report filed by Officer Ayala that had the date-stamp 3:00 a.m. 2/27/2012 and that listed the name of the deceased as Trayvon Benjamin Martin. I believed, when I saw that, that the cops didn’t even care if they went back AFTERWARDS and changed reports that they had filed BEFORE, a clear indication that they wouldn’t mind doctoring their reports, you see? I still think it is an indication that their procedures are “adjusted” to fit their needs in that police department (and probably in EVERY police department, in fact). I believe Serino told George Trayvon’s name in the first interview HE did with George on 2/27/2012 but I could be wrong. And of course, George being the liar that he is, when Serino asked him, “Do you know his name?” and George answered, “No, sir,” it’s still only 50/50 as to whether he knew the name yet or not. You cannot trust a thing George said. I think it’s a coin-toss that any single statement he has made to anybody about the events of that evening or anything else in his life is true. Heads it is, Tails it isn’t. By coincidence, he probably does tell the truth at times. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    • Lonnie Starr says:

      Malisha said: “Lonnie, Xena, it was the police report filed by Officer Ayala that had the date-stamp 3:00 a.m. 2/27/2012 and that listed the name of the deceased as Trayvon Benjamin Martin.”
      ——————

      Okay, so now we have an idea that it was Ofc. Ayala who either knew TM’s name or came back later and altered his report to include it. Isn’t that some kind of infraction? Altering official records? Since it makes it appear that Trayvon’s identity was known at 3am 2/27/12.

      This being a criminal investigation, that’s no small matter. Because, if it is true that someone knew who TM was at 3am, then we need to know who that was, who obviously knew TM from memory, without the aid of any other identifiers.

      My guess is Ayala would much prefer to take the hit for altering the record, than make, what would appear to be, having some connection to the crime.

      I can’t see a reason for Servino to have informed GZ so soon. You’d at least want to prolong the opportunity to continue to test GZ’s knowledge, for as long as possible. To do otherwise, you may be lending a criminal cover, for slipping up and revealing information that only a criminally intended person would have at an early time.

      At the least this is another investigative botch up! Someone needs to be disciplined for it, if that’s all it is.

    • Xena says:

      Lonnie, Xena, it was the police report filed by Officer Ayala that had the date-stamp 3:00 a.m. 2/27/2012 and that listed the name of the deceased as Trayvon Benjamin Martin. I believed, when I saw that, that the cops didn’t even care if they went back AFTERWARDS and changed reports that they had filed BEFORE, a clear indication that they wouldn’t mind doctoring their reports, you see?

      Oh yes, I can see that and believe it.

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