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	<title>Comments on: Zimmerman Open Thread: Friday, October 12, 2012</title>
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		<title>By: Sleuth</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/10/12/zimmerman-open-thread-friday-october-12-2012/#comment-32323</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sleuth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello to all,

The SPD Chaplain showed Traci Martin a picture of Trayvon the morning after he was murdered. The picture was taken the night of the murder.

Mr. Martin described the picture as:

“his eyes rolled back, a tear on his cheek, and saliva coming from his mouth”.

I’ve searched high and low on various blogs/message boards, etc. for comments related to Mr. Martin’s observations of the picture, to no avail. It seems as though this would be very important evidence in the case.

Does anyone here have an idea what could be the cause of this?  I’m thinking the confessed killer tried to smother or strangle Trayvon; or perhaps it was a result of just sheer fright.  I do remember a female witness saying she heard moaning and groaning.  In fact, a couple of other witnesses made similar statements.

I do believe the murderer turned Trayvon’s body face down because such a sight might have repulsed him.

I have been following this case very closely from day one, and while there are some very interesting theories posted throughout the internet regarding how long it took the murderer to drive or walk from point A to point B, whether or not the murderer huffed and puffed or if it was wind, what kind of vehicle the murderer drove, etc. (all those things are relevant) however, nothing, and I do mean nothing, has gripped my attention the way Traci Martin’s described the picture of his son post-mortem, and those chilling screams.

I waited patiently, hoping to get some clarification from the ME’s report about what could have caused, “his eyes rolled back, a tear on his cheek, and saliva coming from his mouth”, but saw no mention of it in any of the media/evidence dumps.  Perhaps I over looked it.

One thing I do feel certain about is that it will be brought up during the trial, and this particular picture will not be publicly disclosed, at least I hope it won’t.

Looking forward to your responses.  Thank you.

“Trayvon Martin: Before The World Heard His Screams”.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/03/usa-florida-shooting-trayvon-idUSL2E8F31ZX20120403]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello to all,</p>
<p>The SPD Chaplain showed Traci Martin a picture of Trayvon the morning after he was murdered. The picture was taken the night of the murder.</p>
<p>Mr. Martin described the picture as:</p>
<p>“his eyes rolled back, a tear on his cheek, and saliva coming from his mouth”.</p>
<p>I’ve searched high and low on various blogs/message boards, etc. for comments related to Mr. Martin’s observations of the picture, to no avail. It seems as though this would be very important evidence in the case.</p>
<p>Does anyone here have an idea what could be the cause of this?  I’m thinking the confessed killer tried to smother or strangle Trayvon; or perhaps it was a result of just sheer fright.  I do remember a female witness saying she heard moaning and groaning.  In fact, a couple of other witnesses made similar statements.</p>
<p>I do believe the murderer turned Trayvon’s body face down because such a sight might have repulsed him.</p>
<p>I have been following this case very closely from day one, and while there are some very interesting theories posted throughout the internet regarding how long it took the murderer to drive or walk from point A to point B, whether or not the murderer huffed and puffed or if it was wind, what kind of vehicle the murderer drove, etc. (all those things are relevant) however, nothing, and I do mean nothing, has gripped my attention the way Traci Martin’s described the picture of his son post-mortem, and those chilling screams.</p>
<p>I waited patiently, hoping to get some clarification from the ME’s report about what could have caused, “his eyes rolled back, a tear on his cheek, and saliva coming from his mouth”, but saw no mention of it in any of the media/evidence dumps.  Perhaps I over looked it.</p>
<p>One thing I do feel certain about is that it will be brought up during the trial, and this particular picture will not be publicly disclosed, at least I hope it won’t.</p>
<p>Looking forward to your responses.  Thank you.</p>
<p>“Trayvon Martin: Before The World Heard His Screams”.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/03/usa-florida-shooting-trayvon-idUSL2E8F31ZX20120403" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/03/usa-florida-shooting-trayvon-idUSL2E8F31ZX20120403</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jun</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/10/12/zimmerman-open-thread-friday-october-12-2012/#comment-27347</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jun]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 00:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it is one of the reasons he will only go on a show, if they throw softballs at him or any Zimmerman or perhaps the shows are just playing good cop.  I&#039;d personally throw hardballs at them given the opportunity]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is one of the reasons he will only go on a show, if they throw softballs at him or any Zimmerman or perhaps the shows are just playing good cop.  I&#8217;d personally throw hardballs at them given the opportunity</p>
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		<title>By: reflectedsafe0</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 23:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do not forget 32 It was not my gun., it was not his gun. It was the gun]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do not forget 32 It was not my gun., it was not his gun. It was the gun</p>
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		<title>By: jm</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/10/12/zimmerman-open-thread-friday-october-12-2012/#comment-27233</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Malisha says:  &quot;The fact that Judge Lester called it as he saw it was definitely painful to them.&quot;

The fact that Judge Lester saw straight through the GZ stories and said why may have been painful for O&#039;Mara, but I don&#039;t think the Zimmerman clan is in touch with the reality of what Judge Lester said including GZ.  Loved Judge Lester&#039;s no nonsense/BS approach and can only hope Judge Nelson is the same way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malisha says:  &#8220;The fact that Judge Lester called it as he saw it was definitely painful to them.&#8221;</p>
<p>The fact that Judge Lester saw straight through the GZ stories and said why may have been painful for O&#8217;Mara, but I don&#8217;t think the Zimmerman clan is in touch with the reality of what Judge Lester said including GZ.  Loved Judge Lester&#8217;s no nonsense/BS approach and can only hope Judge Nelson is the same way.</p>
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		<title>By: cielo62</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Same story with Hispanics. The anti-immigration racists (the ones wanting more than just reform but zero immigration) don&#039;t see that Hispanics are the largest group graduating from colleges today. People see only what they want to see and facts be damned!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same story with Hispanics. The anti-immigration racists (the ones wanting more than just reform but zero immigration) don&#8217;t see that Hispanics are the largest group graduating from colleges today. People see only what they want to see and facts be damned!</p>
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		<title>By: jm</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/10/12/zimmerman-open-thread-friday-october-12-2012/#comment-27230</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is it wrong that I can&#039;t listen to this BS and I hate the sound of RZ, Jr&#039;s voice?  

Why are these media outlets giving RZ, Jr. a platform to spew his lies.  Do they have an agenda asking leading questions?  

PS:  Love the artist interpretation of RZ, Jr.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it wrong that I can&#8217;t listen to this BS and I hate the sound of RZ, Jr&#8217;s voice?  </p>
<p>Why are these media outlets giving RZ, Jr. a platform to spew his lies.  Do they have an agenda asking leading questions?  </p>
<p>PS:  Love the artist interpretation of RZ, Jr.</p>
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		<title>By: Tee</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/10/12/zimmerman-open-thread-friday-october-12-2012/#comment-27227</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have an answer for you professor. we here sometimes get side tracked from the questions you ask. This country portrait of blacks is what has lead many to believe that all black are violent thugs without education. It started back in slavery, they had to explain why it was ok to enslave blacks, subject them to the worst phycial abuse known to man deny them not only education but deny them to use something as basic as there own language and then forbid them from practicing there own religion. To justify all of this you must paint a awful picture to your community and the world of the person you are doing this to. This portrait that was painted some many years ago still exist in the minds of not only the people here in America but around the world. If the media flash a black face every few minutes with something negative attached to it what is the world to think but we are thugs. There are plenty of black people that do wrong just as it is of every other race but it&#039;s our stories that you mostly hear. Colleges are full of black kids right now more than ever before you wouldn&#039;t hear a story on the increase of blacks that are choosing education as there way out. We like to prejudge people here in America then when confronted with the facts act like we could never do something like that because &quot;our best friend is black&quot; , or &quot; I mentored black kids &quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an answer for you professor. we here sometimes get side tracked from the questions you ask. This country portrait of blacks is what has lead many to believe that all black are violent thugs without education. It started back in slavery, they had to explain why it was ok to enslave blacks, subject them to the worst phycial abuse known to man deny them not only education but deny them to use something as basic as there own language and then forbid them from practicing there own religion. To justify all of this you must paint a awful picture to your community and the world of the person you are doing this to. This portrait that was painted some many years ago still exist in the minds of not only the people here in America but around the world. If the media flash a black face every few minutes with something negative attached to it what is the world to think but we are thugs. There are plenty of black people that do wrong just as it is of every other race but it&#8217;s our stories that you mostly hear. Colleges are full of black kids right now more than ever before you wouldn&#8217;t hear a story on the increase of blacks that are choosing education as there way out. We like to prejudge people here in America then when confronted with the facts act like we could never do something like that because &#8220;our best friend is black&#8221; , or &#8221; I mentored black kids &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/10/12/zimmerman-open-thread-friday-october-12-2012/#comment-27200</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 04:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Officer Serino&#039;s statement mentions Austin&#039;s &quot;impression was that someone had perhaps fallen down due to the wetness of the ground and had possibly broken their leg.&quot; (Pg 42/183 document dump)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Officer Serino&#8217;s statement mentions Austin&#8217;s &#8220;impression was that someone had perhaps fallen down due to the wetness of the ground and had possibly broken their leg.&#8221; (Pg 42/183 document dump)</p>
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		<title>By: Jun</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/10/12/zimmerman-open-thread-friday-october-12-2012/#comment-27157</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jun]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 00:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(1)  There&#039;s no actual proof that Trayvon broke George&#039;s nose.  Only George says that, and he refused medical treatment (gee, wonder why), and did not appear hurt, so that is hearsay at this point.  Also George killed a kid, and has every reason to lie, has been lying, so it is understandable to at least suspect him of manslaughter

(2)  George is not considered credible because he was found to be a manipulator and liar of the events of the night of the murder, and George himself ruined his credibility during his in and out of court actions

(3)  George killed a kid, after being heard on a 911 call targeting and stalking someone with hate and anger.  It turns out the person he targeted was the kid he killed.  That is probable cause that a murder occurred and is even written in the SYG statute that the cops could continue investigation and arrest and charge upon probable cause.  Everyone else signed a petition because George killed a kid.

RZ Jr. and his cult act under the impression that if someone kills someone, we should take the killer at their word, because they have no reason to lie, otherwise it is illegal and is railroading, and anyone who calls for such investigation into the killer is a racist and should be threatened and harassed (big laugh for stupidity)

RZ Jr. could probably run in Arkansas, seeing that they have republican representatives who want the right to kill kids, kick out muslims, and bring back slavery.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(1)  There&#8217;s no actual proof that Trayvon broke George&#8217;s nose.  Only George says that, and he refused medical treatment (gee, wonder why), and did not appear hurt, so that is hearsay at this point.  Also George killed a kid, and has every reason to lie, has been lying, so it is understandable to at least suspect him of manslaughter</p>
<p>(2)  George is not considered credible because he was found to be a manipulator and liar of the events of the night of the murder, and George himself ruined his credibility during his in and out of court actions</p>
<p>(3)  George killed a kid, after being heard on a 911 call targeting and stalking someone with hate and anger.  It turns out the person he targeted was the kid he killed.  That is probable cause that a murder occurred and is even written in the SYG statute that the cops could continue investigation and arrest and charge upon probable cause.  Everyone else signed a petition because George killed a kid.</p>
<p>RZ Jr. and his cult act under the impression that if someone kills someone, we should take the killer at their word, because they have no reason to lie, otherwise it is illegal and is railroading, and anyone who calls for such investigation into the killer is a racist and should be threatened and harassed (big laugh for stupidity)</p>
<p>RZ Jr. could probably run in Arkansas, seeing that they have republican representatives who want the right to kill kids, kick out muslims, and bring back slavery.</p>
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		<title>By: Xena</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Xena]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@grahase.  &lt;blockquote&gt; Did you listen to them. Your thoughts, if you have already. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

My thoughts are that Junior has bought into the arguments and argumentative style of sovereign citizenship.  The next thing we might hear Junior and/or the Zidiots argue is that GZ had a right to be armed even without a State permit because the constitution allows it -- meaning, that the rules of NW deprives citizens of constitutional rights. 

I know their playbook.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@grahase.<br />
<blockquote> Did you listen to them. Your thoughts, if you have already. </p></blockquote>
<p>My thoughts are that Junior has bought into the arguments and argumentative style of sovereign citizenship.  The next thing we might hear Junior and/or the Zidiots argue is that GZ had a right to be armed even without a State permit because the constitution allows it &#8212; meaning, that the rules of NW deprives citizens of constitutional rights. </p>
<p>I know their playbook.</p>
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