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		<title>By: Lonnie Starr</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/09/17/zimmerman-snapshot-of-an-opening-statement/#comment-22328</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lonnie Starr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 21:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As far as conspiracy theories,  they&#039;ll stay here on the web,  they&#039;ll not enter a courtroom unless they are certifiable.  That isn&#039;t likely to happen and the SP will not waste time with them.  Other people,  on the web and elsewhere who are investigating on their own,  may want to pay attention to any leads that may be found in such theories,  as they have the luxury of not having to put on a case.

For example some investigative reporter (do we still have them?) might want to go door to door around the community,  to ferret out more information about this secretive NW.  It would probably make a very good salable story.  Even if it goes no further than a &quot;bedtime story&quot;,  it will probably sell well.  It would probably be a big help around the nation,  for reporters to try to &quot;make their bones&quot;,  uncovering any secretive NW&#039;s operating in their communities as well.  Perhaps even catching them before they too explode onto the national stage. 

I&#039;ve got my new revision of my timeline up: http://zimmerman-vs-martin.blogspot.com/  it puts TM securely at the mailboxes with 12 minutes to spare by 6:54.  Now I&#039;m trying to locate George at and before that time.  But there isn&#039;t much to go on.  

Jurors will only get what each side feels is difficult to challenge.  That means,  without GZ&#039;s credibility to help them,  MOM has to talk about things other than evidence.  All he can do is stick to the emotional side of the case.  Any time he wanders into the evidence side,  he will be resoundingly beaten back.  Do that too many times and the jury will be reaching for the fire axe themselves.  Don&#039;t do it,  and the jury will believe there is no defense. 

Meanwhile,  every day GZ&#039;s noose grows tighter and tighter as the nation continues to boil over his unspeakable actions.  The good thing to come of this,  is police departments across the nation,  now know that the eyes of the nation can turn towards them,  so they&#039;re best warned to shape up!   Politicians are learning to that they&#039;d be flying blind without the internet.  Best to know what people are thinking and,  therefore,  which way to move,  than to guess wrong and risk turmoil and/or loss of support.  The old games and ploys no longer work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as conspiracy theories,  they&#8217;ll stay here on the web,  they&#8217;ll not enter a courtroom unless they are certifiable.  That isn&#8217;t likely to happen and the SP will not waste time with them.  Other people,  on the web and elsewhere who are investigating on their own,  may want to pay attention to any leads that may be found in such theories,  as they have the luxury of not having to put on a case.</p>
<p>For example some investigative reporter (do we still have them?) might want to go door to door around the community,  to ferret out more information about this secretive NW.  It would probably make a very good salable story.  Even if it goes no further than a &#8220;bedtime story&#8221;,  it will probably sell well.  It would probably be a big help around the nation,  for reporters to try to &#8220;make their bones&#8221;,  uncovering any secretive NW&#8217;s operating in their communities as well.  Perhaps even catching them before they too explode onto the national stage. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got my new revision of my timeline up: <a href="http://zimmerman-vs-martin.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://zimmerman-vs-martin.blogspot.com/</a>  it puts TM securely at the mailboxes with 12 minutes to spare by 6:54.  Now I&#8217;m trying to locate George at and before that time.  But there isn&#8217;t much to go on.  </p>
<p>Jurors will only get what each side feels is difficult to challenge.  That means,  without GZ&#8217;s credibility to help them,  MOM has to talk about things other than evidence.  All he can do is stick to the emotional side of the case.  Any time he wanders into the evidence side,  he will be resoundingly beaten back.  Do that too many times and the jury will be reaching for the fire axe themselves.  Don&#8217;t do it,  and the jury will believe there is no defense. </p>
<p>Meanwhile,  every day GZ&#8217;s noose grows tighter and tighter as the nation continues to boil over his unspeakable actions.  The good thing to come of this,  is police departments across the nation,  now know that the eyes of the nation can turn towards them,  so they&#8217;re best warned to shape up!   Politicians are learning to that they&#8217;d be flying blind without the internet.  Best to know what people are thinking and,  therefore,  which way to move,  than to guess wrong and risk turmoil and/or loss of support.  The old games and ploys no longer work.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/09/17/zimmerman-snapshot-of-an-opening-statement/#comment-22279</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patricia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 18:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lonnie, thank you for putting so much thought into this process. 

For the past two or three weeks I have been thinking (even though realizing it&#039;s legally impossible) that Trayvon&#039;s parents should be able to sue for defamation of their late son&#039;s name and reputation.

NONE of the fighting was initiated by Trayvon, and he did not fight back.

Somewhere along the line it hit me that Zimmerman has made EVERYTHING up to save his sorry ass.  It isn&#039;t that he &quot;embroidered,&quot; he made it up out of whole cloth (how&#039;s that for sustaining the metaphor?)

My interest at this time is to hone the issue down to its simplest components because that is what jurors&#039; brains can encompass.  

I am not dissing jurors or their inteligence.  There is an amazing spectrum of talents, experience and intelligence on juries.  But they are in a pressure-cooker environment.  They can&#039;t research on their own.  Some take notes - some sleep.  But the leadership that emerges pulls them through to a verdict.

I have been opposed to the conspiracy idea.  If the jury starts trying to unravel some purported conspiracy, Zimmerman will walk.  This tragedy was caused solely by one loser&#039;s hugely bad judgment and uncontrolled, unreasonable anger, plus narcissistic search for fame, approval, and career path advancement.

If Osterman or Taaffe tipped Zimmerman that a &quot;stranger&quot; was walking on the grounds, I don&#039;t consider that a conspiracy.  Was Taaffe home that night?  Did he see Trayvon walking along outside his home?  Was Osterman on his way over to the Zimmerman&#039;s with the cash loan?  We don&#039;t know.  The phone logs may help

But I don&#039;t see either of those older guys, dim bulbs though they may be, ever sending Zimmerman off to kill,.

I also don&#039;t see this as any way to promote an ARMED Neighborhood Watch at The Retreat.  NW would not permit that.  A private armed security service is VERY expensive.  That HOA did not even have the money to install SPEED BUMPS in the road!  Their insurance company would have jettisoned them in an instance if it learned the HOA was even considering an amateur armed patrol.

Because Zimmrman said &quot;sign,&quot; describing what he may have been bashed into, I am leaning toward the dog station sign for the nose bleed.  Zimmerman may have dropped his light-key chain there, adjacent to it.  In any case, I am accepting these as unilateral actions on Zimmerman&#039;s part without interaction with Trayvon.  There is NOTHING that proves Trayvon was up by the T.  I&#039;ll open my mind to this possibility ONLY if someone can show me something.

One final note re how Zimmerman&#039;s thought processes work.  You will recall an earlier fiancee filed a restraining order against Zimmerman because of his physical abuse, and he filed for an order against her.  Her statement (interview) is one page in the documents. I was stunned to read it.  She reported, in amazement, that HIS restraining order accused her of the very same physical abuse.

As we&#039;ve seen it, &quot;That&#039;s so George!&quot;   He parrots.

He does not have the brains to come up with an original complaint. 

 As he is doing to Trayvon - bad, wretched stuff he did to Trayvon, he is saying Trayvon did to him.  

I&#039;ve lost my patience with this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lonnie, thank you for putting so much thought into this process. </p>
<p>For the past two or three weeks I have been thinking (even though realizing it&#8217;s legally impossible) that Trayvon&#8217;s parents should be able to sue for defamation of their late son&#8217;s name and reputation.</p>
<p>NONE of the fighting was initiated by Trayvon, and he did not fight back.</p>
<p>Somewhere along the line it hit me that Zimmerman has made EVERYTHING up to save his sorry ass.  It isn&#8217;t that he &#8220;embroidered,&#8221; he made it up out of whole cloth (how&#8217;s that for sustaining the metaphor?)</p>
<p>My interest at this time is to hone the issue down to its simplest components because that is what jurors&#8217; brains can encompass.  </p>
<p>I am not dissing jurors or their inteligence.  There is an amazing spectrum of talents, experience and intelligence on juries.  But they are in a pressure-cooker environment.  They can&#8217;t research on their own.  Some take notes &#8211; some sleep.  But the leadership that emerges pulls them through to a verdict.</p>
<p>I have been opposed to the conspiracy idea.  If the jury starts trying to unravel some purported conspiracy, Zimmerman will walk.  This tragedy was caused solely by one loser&#8217;s hugely bad judgment and uncontrolled, unreasonable anger, plus narcissistic search for fame, approval, and career path advancement.</p>
<p>If Osterman or Taaffe tipped Zimmerman that a &#8220;stranger&#8221; was walking on the grounds, I don&#8217;t consider that a conspiracy.  Was Taaffe home that night?  Did he see Trayvon walking along outside his home?  Was Osterman on his way over to the Zimmerman&#8217;s with the cash loan?  We don&#8217;t know.  The phone logs may help</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t see either of those older guys, dim bulbs though they may be, ever sending Zimmerman off to kill,.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t see this as any way to promote an ARMED Neighborhood Watch at The Retreat.  NW would not permit that.  A private armed security service is VERY expensive.  That HOA did not even have the money to install SPEED BUMPS in the road!  Their insurance company would have jettisoned them in an instance if it learned the HOA was even considering an amateur armed patrol.</p>
<p>Because Zimmrman said &#8220;sign,&#8221; describing what he may have been bashed into, I am leaning toward the dog station sign for the nose bleed.  Zimmerman may have dropped his light-key chain there, adjacent to it.  In any case, I am accepting these as unilateral actions on Zimmerman&#8217;s part without interaction with Trayvon.  There is NOTHING that proves Trayvon was up by the T.  I&#8217;ll open my mind to this possibility ONLY if someone can show me something.</p>
<p>One final note re how Zimmerman&#8217;s thought processes work.  You will recall an earlier fiancee filed a restraining order against Zimmerman because of his physical abuse, and he filed for an order against her.  Her statement (interview) is one page in the documents. I was stunned to read it.  She reported, in amazement, that HIS restraining order accused her of the very same physical abuse.</p>
<p>As we&#8217;ve seen it, &#8220;That&#8217;s so George!&#8221;   He parrots.</p>
<p>He does not have the brains to come up with an original complaint. </p>
<p> As he is doing to Trayvon &#8211; bad, wretched stuff he did to Trayvon, he is saying Trayvon did to him.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve lost my patience with this.</p>
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		<title>By: Lonnie Starr</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/09/17/zimmerman-snapshot-of-an-opening-statement/#comment-22252</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lonnie Starr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did you note how long it took -- after the autopsy report said TM&#039;s hands were clean -- for even pro TM people to stop using &quot;the fight&quot; to work up their postings?   I suspect that many continued to do so,  because they needed a common point of reference to make their point(s).  But then,  even some &quot;high level&quot; posters (people whose posts clearly reflect they&#039;ve dug in deeply and tried to match items with items),  kept using it too.  That prolonged the view that,  for the casual reader,  there actually was a fight,  and that the debate was over &quot;justified/not justified&quot;.  Then reporters (not just the media but blog reporters as well) would read these postings,  to try to determine what is,  from what is not,  considered most widely acceptable material,  and what views are scheduled to erode really soon.  So they carried the idea of a fight along further.

I&#039;m guilty of this too.  Sometimes I used &quot;the fight&quot; as a reference,  because you can&#039;t just refute 10 issues in every  post and expect it to be understood,  so you try to focus on just the one that undercuts the largest or most critical part of the story,  and work from there.  

You don&#039;t try to stop a skidding car,  by abruptly jerking the wheel.  You have to steer in the direction the car is moving first,  then gently bring it back to where you want it to go.  Same with posting ideas,  you can&#039;t stray too far from what the public has excepted already,  before you try to correct.  Do that and you risk losing the very people you&#039;re trying to reach.

Which explains why we keep starting with what GZ said,  even when we know it&#039;s been falsified already.  Thus we appear to be resurrecting old,  already discredited material.  

In truth?  After watching GZ&#039;s performance at the bail hearing,  where I note this dramatic behavior,  from a man facing life in prison,  who should know better than to chase dollars at the risk of the credibility he needs to put this over.  I can only find my self spasmodically thinking &quot;stupid... STUPID... stupid... stupid and extremely stupid man!&quot;  Facing life in prison,  where your word is all you have against the evidence,  you go after a bushel of money you&#039;ll never get to spend if you fail???  ...AND jettison your credibility???  When it&#039;s the only hope you have?  

The people who took the chance to throw him a life preserver,  now find themselves being dragged under with him,  they&#039;re scrambling to cut the rope!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you note how long it took &#8212; after the autopsy report said TM&#8217;s hands were clean &#8212; for even pro TM people to stop using &#8220;the fight&#8221; to work up their postings?   I suspect that many continued to do so,  because they needed a common point of reference to make their point(s).  But then,  even some &#8220;high level&#8221; posters (people whose posts clearly reflect they&#8217;ve dug in deeply and tried to match items with items),  kept using it too.  That prolonged the view that,  for the casual reader,  there actually was a fight,  and that the debate was over &#8220;justified/not justified&#8221;.  Then reporters (not just the media but blog reporters as well) would read these postings,  to try to determine what is,  from what is not,  considered most widely acceptable material,  and what views are scheduled to erode really soon.  So they carried the idea of a fight along further.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guilty of this too.  Sometimes I used &#8220;the fight&#8221; as a reference,  because you can&#8217;t just refute 10 issues in every  post and expect it to be understood,  so you try to focus on just the one that undercuts the largest or most critical part of the story,  and work from there.  </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t try to stop a skidding car,  by abruptly jerking the wheel.  You have to steer in the direction the car is moving first,  then gently bring it back to where you want it to go.  Same with posting ideas,  you can&#8217;t stray too far from what the public has excepted already,  before you try to correct.  Do that and you risk losing the very people you&#8217;re trying to reach.</p>
<p>Which explains why we keep starting with what GZ said,  even when we know it&#8217;s been falsified already.  Thus we appear to be resurrecting old,  already discredited material.  </p>
<p>In truth?  After watching GZ&#8217;s performance at the bail hearing,  where I note this dramatic behavior,  from a man facing life in prison,  who should know better than to chase dollars at the risk of the credibility he needs to put this over.  I can only find my self spasmodically thinking &#8220;stupid&#8230; STUPID&#8230; stupid&#8230; stupid and extremely stupid man!&#8221;  Facing life in prison,  where your word is all you have against the evidence,  you go after a bushel of money you&#8217;ll never get to spend if you fail???  &#8230;AND jettison your credibility???  When it&#8217;s the only hope you have?  </p>
<p>The people who took the chance to throw him a life preserver,  now find themselves being dragged under with him,  they&#8217;re scrambling to cut the rope!</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/09/17/zimmerman-snapshot-of-an-opening-statement/#comment-22120</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patricia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 23:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lonnie, we&#039;ve all been schnookered for so long thinking ANY story by Zimmerman has ANY truth.  While we learned that he was a big fat liar, we couldn&#039;t imagine he would lie about EVERYTHING.  It is hard to wrap our minds around a persnality that lies about every last thing.  But everything this guy says is disputed by (a) evidence or (b) his &quot;friends.&quot;

I now firmly do NOT accept ANY Zimmerman crap that Trayvon laid a hand on him.  SHOW ME THE PROOF!  There isn&#039;t any.  It&#039;s all just a disjointed story that Zimmerman put together to keep himself out of jail.  Big motivation, that.  

Trayvon literally comes to his autopsy &quot;with clean hands.&quot;

George&#039;s hands are bloody.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lonnie, we&#8217;ve all been schnookered for so long thinking ANY story by Zimmerman has ANY truth.  While we learned that he was a big fat liar, we couldn&#8217;t imagine he would lie about EVERYTHING.  It is hard to wrap our minds around a persnality that lies about every last thing.  But everything this guy says is disputed by (a) evidence or (b) his &#8220;friends.&#8221;</p>
<p>I now firmly do NOT accept ANY Zimmerman crap that Trayvon laid a hand on him.  SHOW ME THE PROOF!  There isn&#8217;t any.  It&#8217;s all just a disjointed story that Zimmerman put together to keep himself out of jail.  Big motivation, that.  </p>
<p>Trayvon literally comes to his autopsy &#8220;with clean hands.&#8221;</p>
<p>George&#8217;s hands are bloody.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/09/17/zimmerman-snapshot-of-an-opening-statement/#comment-22116</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patricia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 23:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lonnie, how did GZ get away with this for so long?  

Good Ole Boy School at SPD.
Zimmerman had insinuated himself into the sytem.  
In fact, first cop to arrive knew him.

Daddy Zim had clout with the DA which he pushed ASA.P
Chief Bill Lee gave lazy racist leadership to his Dept.

If Trayvon really WAS a local goon, 
likely he wouldn&#039;t have had 
the solid middle-class parents 
who knew what justice really stood for,
and demanded it.

Credit those wonderful parents 
for being the catalyst that brought forth
&quot;Justice for Trayvon.&quot;

Credit Trayvon himself for that long, agonized scream
that lit the world&#039;s conscience on fire.

Zimmerman&#039;s days of freedom were then numbered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lonnie, how did GZ get away with this for so long?  </p>
<p>Good Ole Boy School at SPD.<br />
Zimmerman had insinuated himself into the sytem.<br />
In fact, first cop to arrive knew him.</p>
<p>Daddy Zim had clout with the DA which he pushed ASA.P<br />
Chief Bill Lee gave lazy racist leadership to his Dept.</p>
<p>If Trayvon really WAS a local goon,<br />
likely he wouldn&#8217;t have had<br />
the solid middle-class parents<br />
who knew what justice really stood for,<br />
and demanded it.</p>
<p>Credit those wonderful parents<br />
for being the catalyst that brought forth<br />
&#8220;Justice for Trayvon.&#8221;</p>
<p>Credit Trayvon himself for that long, agonized scream<br />
that lit the world&#8217;s conscience on fire.</p>
<p>Zimmerman&#8217;s days of freedom were then numbered.</p>
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		<title>By: Lonnie Starr</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/09/17/zimmerman-snapshot-of-an-opening-statement/#comment-22112</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lonnie Starr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 23:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes,  yes...  That&#039;s close to the truth,  so it makes sense.  But if you try that with the assumption that GZ&#039;s story is true,  you lose most of what you&#039;ve guessed at.  My fault is I need to drop any remaining view that GZ has told any thing that is true at all.  Because his story vs the evidence,  leaves the question of where the wounds came from.  But drop his story and assume more reasonable things that account for the evidence and viola,  the mysteries go away.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes,  yes&#8230;  That&#8217;s close to the truth,  so it makes sense.  But if you try that with the assumption that GZ&#8217;s story is true,  you lose most of what you&#8217;ve guessed at.  My fault is I need to drop any remaining view that GZ has told any thing that is true at all.  Because his story vs the evidence,  leaves the question of where the wounds came from.  But drop his story and assume more reasonable things that account for the evidence and viola,  the mysteries go away.</p>
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		<title>By: Lonnie Starr</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/09/17/zimmerman-snapshot-of-an-opening-statement/#comment-22092</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lonnie Starr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 22:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well,  that&#039;s pretty much it then,  if she saw them when the shot was fired and someone get up,  without rolling a body off them,  then it&#039;s the shooter on top.  Nor did GZ care about the possibilities.  So then,  how did he become convinced that the SPD would rally to his side?  Obviously he had to start with that knowledge,  since every time before this one,  he properly restrained himself.   This time he starts out unrestrained and keeps building towards a kill,  even avoiding any path that might have prevented it.  

I don&#039;t think he&#039;d have gone forward with this conduct,  if the SPD had warned him that,  this kind of conduct would land him in jail.  He somehow gained the illusion that he was going to find support in law enforcement,  and for the first 46 days he was right.  So who led him to believe he could get away with it?  ...And why?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well,  that&#8217;s pretty much it then,  if she saw them when the shot was fired and someone get up,  without rolling a body off them,  then it&#8217;s the shooter on top.  Nor did GZ care about the possibilities.  So then,  how did he become convinced that the SPD would rally to his side?  Obviously he had to start with that knowledge,  since every time before this one,  he properly restrained himself.   This time he starts out unrestrained and keeps building towards a kill,  even avoiding any path that might have prevented it.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;d have gone forward with this conduct,  if the SPD had warned him that,  this kind of conduct would land him in jail.  He somehow gained the illusion that he was going to find support in law enforcement,  and for the first 46 days he was right.  So who led him to believe he could get away with it?  &#8230;And why?</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patricia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lonnie - &quot;if GZ has his gun out ... ?&quot;

I cannot in my wildest imagination consider GZ would draw the gun, chase around in the dark on wet grass, expose the gun to an opponent&#039;s possibility of grabbing it and turning it on GZ, possibly GZ injuring himself in the fray.  He&#039;s walking around with a gun in one hand and a dead flashlight in the other?

NONE OF THE ABOVE.

What kind of a &quot;hero&quot; detains a &quot;suspect&quot; at gunpoint?  An about-to-go-to-jail-civilian-non-hero, that&#039;s the kind of &quot;hero.&quot;  GZ knows that.

Zimmerman drew the gun just before the shot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lonnie &#8211; &#8220;if GZ has his gun out &#8230; ?&#8221;</p>
<p>I cannot in my wildest imagination consider GZ would draw the gun, chase around in the dark on wet grass, expose the gun to an opponent&#8217;s possibility of grabbing it and turning it on GZ, possibly GZ injuring himself in the fray.  He&#8217;s walking around with a gun in one hand and a dead flashlight in the other?</p>
<p>NONE OF THE ABOVE.</p>
<p>What kind of a &#8220;hero&#8221; detains a &#8220;suspect&#8221; at gunpoint?  An about-to-go-to-jail-civilian-non-hero, that&#8217;s the kind of &#8220;hero.&#8221;  GZ knows that.</p>
<p>Zimmerman drew the gun just before the shot.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/09/17/zimmerman-snapshot-of-an-opening-statement/#comment-22036</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lonnie,

re: &quot;Where the hell does the blood and head wounds come from? They obviously pre-date the shot, and may very well pre-date the hunt/confrontation. We don&#039;t have the evidence needed for TM to have anything to do with GZ&#039;s head wounds and bleeding. So where do these wounds come in? Some say it&#039;s GZ being clumsy and slipping around on the grass, bashing his head into things. But, while on the hunt, it&#039;s hardly likely he&#039;d examine himself for wounds or bleeding, so how would he know that he has enough there to fill in his story? Further, if he&#039;d examined his head with his hands, they&#039;d have been covered with blood, before he went for his gun. He&#039;d have a mess of blood around where he had his holster and on the gun.

GZ&#039;s blood established on Kel-Tek gun butt .. how did this happen&quot;.

Back-of-head injury happens immediately before GZ gets ascendancy at the end of the fight.  No blood trail smeared by wet grass; earliest blood flow from head cuts pools at base of GZ neck.  Did NOT happen &quot;during the hunt.&quot;  

(Nose bashed by dog sign happened earlier - Trayvon may not have even been near that incident.  GZ dropped his key/light as he reeled from his encounter with the vertical metal sign.)   

Flash forward to end of struggle:  GZ hits back of head on edge of sprinkler head (which are nasty devils if you contact one, with force, on unprotected skin) during final &quot;roll on the grass&quot; with Trayvon - the momentary pain may have given GZ the motivation to press his body upward and overcome Trayvon.  But the PAIN in that scalp location ceases immediately.  Starts BLEEDing as GZ gets the ascendancy, seated on Trayvon.  

No lingering head pain, but sticky stuff reaches GZ&#039;s neck in back and he can feel it.  Left hand (dominant) is holding onto Trayvon&#039;s shirts, for control.  GZ reaches around to back of neck with his right hand to investigate stickiness.

Do it yourself.  Instinct has you reaching around and setting the PALM OF YOUR HAND on the back of your neck  Not your fingers.

GZ knows what happened.  He&#039;s bleeding.

Reaches for gun on right back back hip. 

Bloody palm of GZ&#039;s right hand wraps around gun butt. 

GZ fires.

Throws gun away.

ME finds blood on gun butt; tests positive for GZ DNA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lonnie,</p>
<p>re: &#8220;Where the hell does the blood and head wounds come from? They obviously pre-date the shot, and may very well pre-date the hunt/confrontation. We don&#8217;t have the evidence needed for TM to have anything to do with GZ&#8217;s head wounds and bleeding. So where do these wounds come in? Some say it&#8217;s GZ being clumsy and slipping around on the grass, bashing his head into things. But, while on the hunt, it&#8217;s hardly likely he&#8217;d examine himself for wounds or bleeding, so how would he know that he has enough there to fill in his story? Further, if he&#8217;d examined his head with his hands, they&#8217;d have been covered with blood, before he went for his gun. He&#8217;d have a mess of blood around where he had his holster and on the gun.</p>
<p>GZ&#8217;s blood established on Kel-Tek gun butt .. how did this happen&#8221;.</p>
<p>Back-of-head injury happens immediately before GZ gets ascendancy at the end of the fight.  No blood trail smeared by wet grass; earliest blood flow from head cuts pools at base of GZ neck.  Did NOT happen &#8220;during the hunt.&#8221;  </p>
<p>(Nose bashed by dog sign happened earlier &#8211; Trayvon may not have even been near that incident.  GZ dropped his key/light as he reeled from his encounter with the vertical metal sign.)   </p>
<p>Flash forward to end of struggle:  GZ hits back of head on edge of sprinkler head (which are nasty devils if you contact one, with force, on unprotected skin) during final &#8220;roll on the grass&#8221; with Trayvon &#8211; the momentary pain may have given GZ the motivation to press his body upward and overcome Trayvon.  But the PAIN in that scalp location ceases immediately.  Starts BLEEDing as GZ gets the ascendancy, seated on Trayvon.  </p>
<p>No lingering head pain, but sticky stuff reaches GZ&#8217;s neck in back and he can feel it.  Left hand (dominant) is holding onto Trayvon&#8217;s shirts, for control.  GZ reaches around to back of neck with his right hand to investigate stickiness.</p>
<p>Do it yourself.  Instinct has you reaching around and setting the PALM OF YOUR HAND on the back of your neck  Not your fingers.</p>
<p>GZ knows what happened.  He&#8217;s bleeding.</p>
<p>Reaches for gun on right back back hip. </p>
<p>Bloody palm of GZ&#8217;s right hand wraps around gun butt. </p>
<p>GZ fires.</p>
<p>Throws gun away.</p>
<p>ME finds blood on gun butt; tests positive for GZ DNA.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/09/17/zimmerman-snapshot-of-an-opening-statement/#comment-22029</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Lonnie -

&quot;So, has GZ left the &quot;fingerprints&quot; of a clearly confident superior here?&quot;

YES.  

Just sent you the long answer, so YES is the short one.

GZ is a bully.  

GZ already referred to Trayvon as &quot;the kid&quot; to Sean, the 311 NEN dispatcher.  

By the time GZ is in a position to grab Trayvon&#039;s shirts to control and detain him (and buoyed by the knowledge of the Kel-Tek on his right back hip) GZ is the &quot;clearly confident superior here.&quot;

But it was his physical position vis-a-vis Trayvon that decided where GZ would grab the shirts to control Trayvon.

Just grabbed what was in front of him.

Then made sure he didn&#039;t shoot his grabbing hand,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lonnie -</p>
<p>&#8220;So, has GZ left the &#8220;fingerprints&#8221; of a clearly confident superior here?&#8221;</p>
<p>YES.  </p>
<p>Just sent you the long answer, so YES is the short one.</p>
<p>GZ is a bully.  </p>
<p>GZ already referred to Trayvon as &#8220;the kid&#8221; to Sean, the 311 NEN dispatcher.  </p>
<p>By the time GZ is in a position to grab Trayvon&#8217;s shirts to control and detain him (and buoyed by the knowledge of the Kel-Tek on his right back hip) GZ is the &#8220;clearly confident superior here.&#8221;</p>
<p>But it was his physical position vis-a-vis Trayvon that decided where GZ would grab the shirts to control Trayvon.</p>
<p>Just grabbed what was in front of him.</p>
<p>Then made sure he didn&#8217;t shoot his grabbing hand,</p>
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