Ada4750 posted this comment:
“Mr Leatherman, with all my respect if DeeDee stumbles at the trial what will prove that GZ was not coming back to his truck? W2′s testimony seems to be not enough reliable.”
I think this is a legitimate question to ask because the prosecution is going to have to answer it to the satisfaction of the judge during the immunity hearing and the jury during the trial.
I posted this answer:
Three reasons jump out at me.
(1) Approximately 2-4 minutes elapsed from the time GZ terminated his NEN call until the first 911 call. He could have walked to his truck in under a minute, but he obviously did not do that.
EDIT: Actually, from 7:13:39 to 7:16:11, or 2 minutes and 32 seconds elapsed between the end of the NEN call and the first 911 call, according to Tchoupi’s timeline. Note that this allows GZ adequate time to get into position to approach TM from the south or from the north while TM is talking to Dee Dee. Her conversation with TM is cutoff at 7:16 plus or minus 30 seconds, which fits with the 911 call 7:16:11 with audible screams in the background. This assumes the cutoff occurred approximately 30 seconds earlier, rather than later. That would have given GZ a full two minutes to hunt down TM while TM was talking to Dee Dee believing he had successfully eluded GZ.
(2) He told the dispatcher to tell the officer en route to the scene to call him when he arrived in the neighborhood instead of meeting him where his truck was parked. Therefore, he had decided not to return to his truck. His claim that he did not know the street he was parked on or any of the residential addresses near his truck is absurd because he had lived in the neighborhood for 3 years, he was the NWP Captain, he had patrolled the neighborhood on a daily basis for at least 6 months, there were only 3 streets in his neighborhood, residential addresses were visible from his parked truck, and even if not illuminated, he would have walked right past them on the cut-through to reach the T intersection.
(3) The location where he shot and killed TM is 40 feet south of the T intersection and in the direction of Brandy Green’s residence where TM was staying. GZ’s story about being jumped at the T intersection is inconsistent with the location of TM’s body. It is consistent, however, with GZ taking TM down creating the debris field of evidence at the location where he subsequently shot TM.
In conclusion, the circumstantial evidence establishes that GZ did not intend to return to his truck and never attempted to do so. Instead, he decided to hunt down Martin and that’s exactly what he did.
“I will try to be the devil’s advocate. Yes you are right the evidence prove quite surely that GZ did try to locate Trayvon even after his NEN call. But this leaves open the possibility that he didn’t succeed and then decided to return to his truck. If DeeDee stumbles not only there will be no way to invalidate the previous proposition but also it will increase big time GZ’s credibility.
I am only afraid that the importance of DeeDee’s testimony is underestimated.”
He only had about two minutes before Dee Dee lost phone contact with TM and another 32 seconds before the first 911 call with audible screams in the background. That’s not enough time to hang up at the T intersection, start searching for TM, abandon the search, return to the T intersection, and then start returning to the truck. Why abandon the search so quickly?
You also have to keep in mind that, according to GZ, only a few seconds went by between the end of his NEN call and TM’s sudden appearance and unprovoked attack at the T intersection. That cannot be due to an innocent mistake.
The most reasonable explanation for concealing that 2 minute gap, would be to conceal that he was the aggressor because he went hunting for TM.
GZ lied about that 2 minute period and the prosecution can prove he lied without having to rely on Dee Dee. The dispatcher’s phone records establish that.
They don’t need Dee Dee to say anything other than:
(1) confirm she was talking to TM during the time period indicated by his/her phone records;
(2) TM told her he was afraid of and ran way from the creepy man following him; and
(3) describe the circumstances just before the call terminated unexpectedly (i.e., she heard TM say “Why are you following me for? and the response, “What are you doing here?”)
Aada 4750 replied:
“@Tzar From the understanding of many, Trayvon was free to enter his house for at least 3 mins. Very good chance DeeDee got the explication why he didn’t. Trayvon thinking the incident was over is one possibility. But if so, DeeDee would know.
I wish i could continue to discuss for the rest of the week but …”
Once again, my response:
He did not have that much time.
He did not drop off the iced tea and Skittles.
He did not change clothes.
He did not grab a weapon.
His little brother did not see him.
He was talking to Dee Dee the whole time he was supposedly doing this stuff (verified by phone records).
And most important, he had no reason to go back out in the rain looking for a man he had just eluded.
I am asking for comments regarding the specifics of the confrontation between GZ and TM.
1. Agree or disagree with my answers?
2. Did GZ approach from the south or the north?
3. Where did GZ and TM encounter each other?
4. Was there a second encounter?
5. Was there a chase from south to north followed by a chase from north to south?
6. Why was the little flashlight and key chain found up by the T intersection with the light on?
7. Does the prosecution have to prove some, all, or none of the answers to these questions?