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	<title>Comments on: Zimmerman: What Kind of Character Evidence will be Admissible at Trial?</title>
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		<title>By: Tzar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tzar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 12:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Professor, 
This is a subtle and minor point, but it may hint as to Trayvon&#039;s character
Trayvon&#039;s Cousin reported that the night prior to his murder, the two of them left a movie theater before seeing the film they had gone to see, because they or Trayvon, &quot;did not like the scene&quot;. It seems that this child and his kin avoided trouble. And I think the state will be able to show that if ever there is a need. 
[IMG]http://trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/wp-content/gallery/trayvon-martin-gallery/trayvon-martin-fishing.jpg[/IMG]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor,<br />
This is a subtle and minor point, but it may hint as to Trayvon&#8217;s character<br />
Trayvon&#8217;s Cousin reported that the night prior to his murder, the two of them left a movie theater before seeing the film they had gone to see, because they or Trayvon, &#8220;did not like the scene&#8221;. It seems that this child and his kin avoided trouble. And I think the state will be able to show that if ever there is a need.<br />
[IMG]http://trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/wp-content/gallery/trayvon-martin-gallery/trayvon-martin-fishing.jpg[/IMG]</p>
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		<title>By: aussie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aussie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 23:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[re the cigarette lighter....  the day before TM had been with his cousins, and they&#039;d gone to a 7-11, bought a lighter and a Black&amp;Mild and smoked it.    It&#039;s there in the 3rd evidence dump, I think, a short interview with the cousins.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re the cigarette lighter&#8230;.  the day before TM had been with his cousins, and they&#8217;d gone to a 7-11, bought a lighter and a Black&amp;Mild and smoked it.    It&#8217;s there in the 3rd evidence dump, I think, a short interview with the cousins.</p>
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		<title>By: Malisha</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malisha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 22:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think &quot;raw emotiion&quot; is a very big negative in the big picture, frankly.  There are three layers of &quot;information management&quot; for O&#039;Mara to deal with:

1. Information shared with his client;
2. Information shared with the court system; and
3. Information shared with the public/media.

If he can&#039;t win all three, he will have a helluva time coming out of this victorious in any way.  He&#039;s using whatever he has, including raw emotion.  So should the &quot;other side.&quot;  Prosecution can&#039;t do it, though -- if they did, they would deny defendant his constitutional rights.  That&#039;s where WE come in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think &#8220;raw emotiion&#8221; is a very big negative in the big picture, frankly.  There are three layers of &#8220;information management&#8221; for O&#8217;Mara to deal with:</p>
<p>1. Information shared with his client;<br />
2. Information shared with the court system; and<br />
3. Information shared with the public/media.</p>
<p>If he can&#8217;t win all three, he will have a helluva time coming out of this victorious in any way.  He&#8217;s using whatever he has, including raw emotion.  So should the &#8220;other side.&#8221;  Prosecution can&#8217;t do it, though &#8212; if they did, they would deny defendant his constitutional rights.  That&#8217;s where WE come in.</p>
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		<title>By: Frederick Leatherman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frederick Leatherman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 21:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You said,

&quot;A logical question is, why would GZ leave the safety of his truck and run after a person who he thought was on drugs? Does looking “high” give anyone the right to stalk and kill you?&quot;

I doubt the trial court will permit Zimmerman to introduce any evidence about TM&#039;s alleged drug use since the toxicology report established that he was not under the influence of or affected by drugs when Zimmerman attacked him. He also did not possess any drugs and the Purple Drank theory is just speculation without the codeine or whatever constitutes the giddy-up that makes the drink special.

In other words, all of this stuff is irrelevant and inadmissible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said,</p>
<p>&#8220;A logical question is, why would GZ leave the safety of his truck and run after a person who he thought was on drugs? Does looking “high” give anyone the right to stalk and kill you?&#8221;</p>
<p>I doubt the trial court will permit Zimmerman to introduce any evidence about TM&#8217;s alleged drug use since the toxicology report established that he was not under the influence of or affected by drugs when Zimmerman attacked him. He also did not possess any drugs and the Purple Drank theory is just speculation without the codeine or whatever constitutes the giddy-up that makes the drink special.</p>
<p>In other words, all of this stuff is irrelevant and inadmissible.</p>
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		<title>By: Frederick Leatherman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frederick Leatherman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 20:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re right. With a couple of exceptions, TM&#039;s character, whether good or bad, is irrelevant.

The two mutually exclusive exceptions are:

(1) If he was known to be an aggressive bully who started fights without provocation that character trait would be admissible in support of Zimmerman&#039;s claim that TM was the aggressor.

(2) If he was known as a peaceful non-violent person, that character trait would be admissible to show that he was not the aggressor.

As far as I know, TM was known as a peaceful non-violent person and the prosecution should be able to get that into evidence, if it decides to do so.

However, juries usually don&#039;t place much weight on character evidence, so they might decide not to use it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right. With a couple of exceptions, TM&#8217;s character, whether good or bad, is irrelevant.</p>
<p>The two mutually exclusive exceptions are:</p>
<p>(1) If he was known to be an aggressive bully who started fights without provocation that character trait would be admissible in support of Zimmerman&#8217;s claim that TM was the aggressor.</p>
<p>(2) If he was known as a peaceful non-violent person, that character trait would be admissible to show that he was not the aggressor.</p>
<p>As far as I know, TM was known as a peaceful non-violent person and the prosecution should be able to get that into evidence, if it decides to do so.</p>
<p>However, juries usually don&#8217;t place much weight on character evidence, so they might decide not to use it.</p>
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		<title>By: Xena</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Xena]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 20:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@reflectedsafe0.  The Zimbots make things up as they go along. and they deflect from what is seen.  When I saw the 3 guys coming into the store after Trayvon left, I looked at their appearance.  Trayvon, by appearance, was LESS threatening than those 3 guys.  Additionally, IF the 3 guys purchased anything for Trayvon such as a cigar, it should have been on Trayvon at the time he was killed.  

A logical question is, why would GZ leave the safety of his truck and run after a person who he thought was on drugs?  Does looking &quot;high&quot; give anyone the right to stalk and  kill you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@reflectedsafe0.  The Zimbots make things up as they go along. and they deflect from what is seen.  When I saw the 3 guys coming into the store after Trayvon left, I looked at their appearance.  Trayvon, by appearance, was LESS threatening than those 3 guys.  Additionally, IF the 3 guys purchased anything for Trayvon such as a cigar, it should have been on Trayvon at the time he was killed.  </p>
<p>A logical question is, why would GZ leave the safety of his truck and run after a person who he thought was on drugs?  Does looking &#8220;high&#8221; give anyone the right to stalk and  kill you?</p>
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		<title>By: Malisha</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malisha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 20:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Zimmerman cheerleader team has adopted this peculiar position:  

Since Zimmerman is a good guy and Trayvon Martin was a bad guy, this was a &quot;good shoot&quot; and Zim is innocent.

First of all, that has nothing to do with the crime of Murder-2 as defined by Florida law.  Florida law says that the accused had ill will toward the victim.  It does NOT say that he had ill will which was undeserved!  He could have had ill will for all the best reasons in the world, and if he exercised that ill will by killing the victim he&#039;s guilty of Murder-2.  

Second of all, Florida law says that the accused acted on his ill will with a depraved mind, and killed the victim.  It does not say that his depraved mind had to be the result of certain circumstances (such as innocent depravity-engendering motivations such as the desire to protect his wife, community, and all things bright and beautiful) or had to be the result of certain social conditions (such as the prevalence of crime committed by a certain demographic in a certain geographical area in a certain time frame).  Just plain depraved mind, plus ill will, plus the actual killing, is enough.

If Trayvon Martin AND HIS WHOLE FAMILY and his whole race were to have deserved -- unquestionably -- irrevocably -- provably -- George Zimmerman&#039;s ill will and still, were George to have followed and killed Trayvon with a depraved mind DEPRAVED BY THE TERRIBLE CONDUCT OF ALL THESE BAD PEOPLE, it would still be Murder-2 under Florida law.

Correct me if I am wrong.

If a correctional officer fatally shot a guy on death row one day before the execution was scheduled, it would be Murder-2, unless the officer had premeditated it, in which case it would be Murder-1, unless the convict somehow actually put the officer in fear for his life, which would be pretty hard to prove, considering.  And the convict&#039;s school records wouldn&#039;t change that, either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Zimmerman cheerleader team has adopted this peculiar position:  </p>
<p>Since Zimmerman is a good guy and Trayvon Martin was a bad guy, this was a &#8220;good shoot&#8221; and Zim is innocent.</p>
<p>First of all, that has nothing to do with the crime of Murder-2 as defined by Florida law.  Florida law says that the accused had ill will toward the victim.  It does NOT say that he had ill will which was undeserved!  He could have had ill will for all the best reasons in the world, and if he exercised that ill will by killing the victim he&#8217;s guilty of Murder-2.  </p>
<p>Second of all, Florida law says that the accused acted on his ill will with a depraved mind, and killed the victim.  It does not say that his depraved mind had to be the result of certain circumstances (such as innocent depravity-engendering motivations such as the desire to protect his wife, community, and all things bright and beautiful) or had to be the result of certain social conditions (such as the prevalence of crime committed by a certain demographic in a certain geographical area in a certain time frame).  Just plain depraved mind, plus ill will, plus the actual killing, is enough.</p>
<p>If Trayvon Martin AND HIS WHOLE FAMILY and his whole race were to have deserved &#8212; unquestionably &#8212; irrevocably &#8212; provably &#8212; George Zimmerman&#8217;s ill will and still, were George to have followed and killed Trayvon with a depraved mind DEPRAVED BY THE TERRIBLE CONDUCT OF ALL THESE BAD PEOPLE, it would still be Murder-2 under Florida law.</p>
<p>Correct me if I am wrong.</p>
<p>If a correctional officer fatally shot a guy on death row one day before the execution was scheduled, it would be Murder-2, unless the officer had premeditated it, in which case it would be Murder-1, unless the convict somehow actually put the officer in fear for his life, which would be pretty hard to prove, considering.  And the convict&#8217;s school records wouldn&#8217;t change that, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Frederick Leatherman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frederick Leatherman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 20:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a new post up:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://frederickleatherman.wordpress.com/2012/09/09/self-defense-battered-wives-reasonableness-and-the-imminent-danger-doctrine/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Self-Defense, Battered Wives, Reasonableness, and the Imminent Danger Doctrine&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a new post up:</p>
<p><a href="http://frederickleatherman.wordpress.com/2012/09/09/self-defense-battered-wives-reasonableness-and-the-imminent-danger-doctrine/" rel="nofollow">Self-Defense, Battered Wives, Reasonableness, and the Imminent Danger Doctrine</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dennis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 18:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure an enlarged map from Google Earth would do just fine.  It shouldn&#039;t be hard for the prosecution to make the jury understand that the murder occurred around 40+ feet from where Zimmerman says that he was attacked.  By that fact alone, it is a logical conclusion that Zimmerman pursued Martin on foot.  If Martin had really attacked Zimmerman near his vehicle, Martin&#039;s body would be near the vehicle, common sense tells me this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure an enlarged map from Google Earth would do just fine.  It shouldn&#8217;t be hard for the prosecution to make the jury understand that the murder occurred around 40+ feet from where Zimmerman says that he was attacked.  By that fact alone, it is a logical conclusion that Zimmerman pursued Martin on foot.  If Martin had really attacked Zimmerman near his vehicle, Martin&#8217;s body would be near the vehicle, common sense tells me this.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dennis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 18:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have read about cases before where the defense or prosecution took the jury to the actual crime scene to give them a better idea of what happened.  That would surely be better than letting the jury look at pictures instead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read about cases before where the defense or prosecution took the jury to the actual crime scene to give them a better idea of what happened.  That would surely be better than letting the jury look at pictures instead.</p>
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