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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/09/06/zimmerman-absence-of-evidence-is-not-evidence-of-absence/#comment-19370</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 05:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No prob patricia]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No prob patricia</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/09/06/zimmerman-absence-of-evidence-is-not-evidence-of-absence/#comment-19257</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patricia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[to MIke -

Just sent you a stupid reply.  What you are looking for is NOT the upper garments, illustrated, but the lower garments.  I apologize.

You asked a good question and I am an idiot.  Sorrrreeeee!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to MIke -</p>
<p>Just sent you a stupid reply.  What you are looking for is NOT the upper garments, illustrated, but the lower garments.  I apologize.</p>
<p>You asked a good question and I am an idiot.  Sorrrreeeee!</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/09/06/zimmerman-absence-of-evidence-is-not-evidence-of-absence/#comment-19254</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patricia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike, photos of GZ&#039;s jacket &amp; shirt are included and Trayvon&#039;s hoodie, plus shots of bullet holes in Trayvons shirts are there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, photos of GZ&#8217;s jacket &amp; shirt are included and Trayvon&#8217;s hoodie, plus shots of bullet holes in Trayvons shirts are there.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/09/06/zimmerman-absence-of-evidence-is-not-evidence-of-absence/#comment-19168</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Professor, is there a reason martins pants,shoes,socks,are not in the evadince dump, and the same for George&#039;s  clothes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor, is there a reason martins pants,shoes,socks,are not in the evadince dump, and the same for George&#8217;s  clothes.</p>
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		<title>By: Lonnie Starr</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/09/06/zimmerman-absence-of-evidence-is-not-evidence-of-absence/#comment-18835</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lonnie Starr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 16:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Talking about blood on GZ&#039;s head,  the EMT&#039;s cleaned his hands because they said they found a lot of blood on his hands.  That sounds to me like GZ merely used his hands to restart the blood flowing after the gunshot,  when he put his hands on his head.

The pictures taken at the scene seem to show the blood as already coagulated.  If so,  then merely placing his hands on his head,  shouldn&#039;t result in them being covered with blood.  But, if a new blood flow was started,  then his hands could become covered with blood.  

This saga gets more curious as time goes on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking about blood on GZ&#8217;s head,  the EMT&#8217;s cleaned his hands because they said they found a lot of blood on his hands.  That sounds to me like GZ merely used his hands to restart the blood flowing after the gunshot,  when he put his hands on his head.</p>
<p>The pictures taken at the scene seem to show the blood as already coagulated.  If so,  then merely placing his hands on his head,  shouldn&#8217;t result in them being covered with blood.  But, if a new blood flow was started,  then his hands could become covered with blood.  </p>
<p>This saga gets more curious as time goes on.</p>
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		<title>By: Lonnie Starr</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/09/06/zimmerman-absence-of-evidence-is-not-evidence-of-absence/#comment-18833</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lonnie Starr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 16:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I recall it was because his hands were covered in blood.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I recall it was because his hands were covered in blood.</p>
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		<title>By: Brown</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/09/06/zimmerman-absence-of-evidence-is-not-evidence-of-absence/#comment-18831</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 14:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am very behind in reading posts, but I agree his history is irrelevant. But I do remember in reading the discovery dump, Serino put in his report that TM had a field contact in Miami Dade County. He did not explain the nature of that field contact. He was 16 at the time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very behind in reading posts, but I agree his history is irrelevant. But I do remember in reading the discovery dump, Serino put in his report that TM had a field contact in Miami Dade County. He did not explain the nature of that field contact. He was 16 at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: EveryoneIsEntitledToTheirOpinion</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/09/06/zimmerman-absence-of-evidence-is-not-evidence-of-absence/#comment-18708</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EveryoneIsEntitledToTheirOpinion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 17:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Think the poll results are being alters.  GZ supporters are voting multiple times and attacking it..  Remember they hack...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think the poll results are being alters.  GZ supporters are voting multiple times and attacking it..  Remember they hack&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lonnie Starr</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/09/06/zimmerman-absence-of-evidence-is-not-evidence-of-absence/#comment-18673</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lonnie Starr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 12:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Police are trained to listen.  It is an especially tricky job interviewing a principle in a criminal case,  because some conflicts in their stories that arise,  you don&#039;t want to mention right away,  because that would shut down the narrative entirely,  so you let it go for later.

Of course,  when GZ tells them that he feared for his life here at the tee,  but no shot was fire there,  it&#039;s not reasonable to even bother looking for blood there,  because it&#039;s not the proximal cause of fear that caused him to shoot someone 40 feet away.  

When they suggest that this area is rather far from where the body was found,  GZ wiggles around a bit and starts moving a few feet south while making swatting motions with his hands.  Forgetting that at this point in his narrative,  he was supposed to already be on the ground.   All GZ has left as a reason for shooting,  after this point,  is a claim that TM was going for his gun.  

But how does TM know he&#039;s got a gun?  The weapon is small,  very tiny and very easily concealed,  as shown in some you tube vids,  even in shorts with a tee shirt it can&#039;t be seen.  There&#039;s the matter of how TM would know where to look,  let alone be able to identify that small blur of black metal as a weapon and not just a pda of some kind.  Hardly any of the story is likely,  in a place so dark people can&#039;t even see who&#039;s on top.  

But the point is,  at the site of the shooting,  some 40 from the tee,  the witnesses place him firmly on the grass and away from the concrete.  Does he realize that he can&#039;t claim self defense,  from fear of a weapon he carried to a fight he provoked?  

Finally GZ gets no GSR on himself.  The police let him wash his hands and don&#039;t test them for GSR,  but that doesn&#039;t mean that there should not be GSR on his clothing.  If not,  then the only logical explanation for that is, someone else took the fatal shot,  then passed the gun back to GZ who holstered it,  and then claimed himself to be the shooter.  

True to any promises/representations that might have been made to him before the incident took place,  he was released from custody and no charges were filed.  He was allowed to go home and things remained that way for about 46 days.  Question:  Who could have so accurately made such representations about how the SPD would handle matters?  Remember,  if not for the public outcry,  GZ would be home free now.  Just as many other people are and have been,  in other cases that have not gained the national spotlight.  

If the SP investigators cannot find a way to explain the lack of gunshot residue on GZ by some natural means,  then they&#039;ll have to conclude that GZ did not take the fatal shot himself.  But,  his actions in the aftermath and story telling,  make him part of a conspiracy to murder and obstruct justice.  GZ will have to wish that the SPD did not let him wash his hands,  so he&#039;d have GSR on them,  to prove he wasn&#039;t part of a conspiracy to commit a murder.  Because now all they have is his clothing,  and that does not exhibit the GSR that it should if he fired the weapon.

I get the impression he turned his back,  not being able to bear to watch,  so the shell casing leave a speck of lead on his sleeve.  &quot;White tee shirt&quot;  is the available suspect,  he has to move fast and leave quickly.  

Leaving me with the only problem left:  &quot;Why a white tee shirt?&quot;  Why not wear black and remain hard to see?  Is this some sort of message to someone?  Does a white tee shirt have a special meaning to people at RATL or at the SPD?  

Meanwhile,  the defense can claim,  by way of creating doubt,  that GZ did not fire the fatal shot,  even though he may have come away thinking he did.  How would the SP defeat a story that,  GZ was dazed,  someone came over,  took his gun and fired the shot,  gave it back and then ran away.  Without GZ covered in GSR it&#039;s entirely plausible.  In which case,  it really doesn&#039;t matter how many false versions of the shooting GZ tells or has told,  nor what is proved to be true or false.  Since,  if he didn&#039;t take the fatal shot,  he&#039;s not guilty of anything but stalking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Police are trained to listen.  It is an especially tricky job interviewing a principle in a criminal case,  because some conflicts in their stories that arise,  you don&#8217;t want to mention right away,  because that would shut down the narrative entirely,  so you let it go for later.</p>
<p>Of course,  when GZ tells them that he feared for his life here at the tee,  but no shot was fire there,  it&#8217;s not reasonable to even bother looking for blood there,  because it&#8217;s not the proximal cause of fear that caused him to shoot someone 40 feet away.  </p>
<p>When they suggest that this area is rather far from where the body was found,  GZ wiggles around a bit and starts moving a few feet south while making swatting motions with his hands.  Forgetting that at this point in his narrative,  he was supposed to already be on the ground.   All GZ has left as a reason for shooting,  after this point,  is a claim that TM was going for his gun.  </p>
<p>But how does TM know he&#8217;s got a gun?  The weapon is small,  very tiny and very easily concealed,  as shown in some you tube vids,  even in shorts with a tee shirt it can&#8217;t be seen.  There&#8217;s the matter of how TM would know where to look,  let alone be able to identify that small blur of black metal as a weapon and not just a pda of some kind.  Hardly any of the story is likely,  in a place so dark people can&#8217;t even see who&#8217;s on top.  </p>
<p>But the point is,  at the site of the shooting,  some 40 from the tee,  the witnesses place him firmly on the grass and away from the concrete.  Does he realize that he can&#8217;t claim self defense,  from fear of a weapon he carried to a fight he provoked?  </p>
<p>Finally GZ gets no GSR on himself.  The police let him wash his hands and don&#8217;t test them for GSR,  but that doesn&#8217;t mean that there should not be GSR on his clothing.  If not,  then the only logical explanation for that is, someone else took the fatal shot,  then passed the gun back to GZ who holstered it,  and then claimed himself to be the shooter.  </p>
<p>True to any promises/representations that might have been made to him before the incident took place,  he was released from custody and no charges were filed.  He was allowed to go home and things remained that way for about 46 days.  Question:  Who could have so accurately made such representations about how the SPD would handle matters?  Remember,  if not for the public outcry,  GZ would be home free now.  Just as many other people are and have been,  in other cases that have not gained the national spotlight.  </p>
<p>If the SP investigators cannot find a way to explain the lack of gunshot residue on GZ by some natural means,  then they&#8217;ll have to conclude that GZ did not take the fatal shot himself.  But,  his actions in the aftermath and story telling,  make him part of a conspiracy to murder and obstruct justice.  GZ will have to wish that the SPD did not let him wash his hands,  so he&#8217;d have GSR on them,  to prove he wasn&#8217;t part of a conspiracy to commit a murder.  Because now all they have is his clothing,  and that does not exhibit the GSR that it should if he fired the weapon.</p>
<p>I get the impression he turned his back,  not being able to bear to watch,  so the shell casing leave a speck of lead on his sleeve.  &#8220;White tee shirt&#8221;  is the available suspect,  he has to move fast and leave quickly.  </p>
<p>Leaving me with the only problem left:  &#8220;Why a white tee shirt?&#8221;  Why not wear black and remain hard to see?  Is this some sort of message to someone?  Does a white tee shirt have a special meaning to people at RATL or at the SPD?  </p>
<p>Meanwhile,  the defense can claim,  by way of creating doubt,  that GZ did not fire the fatal shot,  even though he may have come away thinking he did.  How would the SP defeat a story that,  GZ was dazed,  someone came over,  took his gun and fired the shot,  gave it back and then ran away.  Without GZ covered in GSR it&#8217;s entirely plausible.  In which case,  it really doesn&#8217;t matter how many false versions of the shooting GZ tells or has told,  nor what is proved to be true or false.  Since,  if he didn&#8217;t take the fatal shot,  he&#8217;s not guilty of anything but stalking.</p>
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		<title>By: Lonnie Starr</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/09/06/zimmerman-absence-of-evidence-is-not-evidence-of-absence/#comment-18668</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lonnie Starr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 12:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it&#039;s in one of the witness statements,  my other computer had a problem I got locked out when something put a password on my hard drive,  I&#039;m waiting for software from England UK to fix it. 

But,  if it helps,  I recall that it was somewhere in the aftermath when GZ gets up and is walking around,  a witness sees him put his hands on his head.  Of course,  others here may already know where it is,  I sure they will post it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s in one of the witness statements,  my other computer had a problem I got locked out when something put a password on my hard drive,  I&#8217;m waiting for software from England UK to fix it. </p>
<p>But,  if it helps,  I recall that it was somewhere in the aftermath when GZ gets up and is walking around,  a witness sees him put his hands on his head.  Of course,  others here may already know where it is,  I sure they will post it.</p>
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