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		<title>By: EveryoneIsEntitledToTheirOpinion</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/09/05/zimmerman-crime-scene-investigation/#comment-18678</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EveryoneIsEntitledToTheirOpinion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 14:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People don&#039;t know it but Oj son who had attacked Nicole Simpson on several occasions I believed murdered her.  From the beginning I suspect Oj was covering for someone.  One of the officers on the case two years ago came out with evidence that was always there. He presented it to a room filled of detectives 200 by the end of reviewing the case only 2 or 3 believed Oj did it.   It was shocking before the case went media crazy Oj son was being looked at he had serious anger management issues and was furious his father left his mother for Nicole distroying his family.  Well I always felt his son did it.  he was excellent with using knives he graduated from a top chef school and never understood why media rush to judgement.  

I hope people stop sending money to gz because he took everyone for a ride.  His helpers frank taffee and osterman.

Let&#039;s hope gz doesnt avoid his jail cell waiting, many people did in the Oj trial.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People don&#8217;t know it but Oj son who had attacked Nicole Simpson on several occasions I believed murdered her.  From the beginning I suspect Oj was covering for someone.  One of the officers on the case two years ago came out with evidence that was always there. He presented it to a room filled of detectives 200 by the end of reviewing the case only 2 or 3 believed Oj did it.   It was shocking before the case went media crazy Oj son was being looked at he had serious anger management issues and was furious his father left his mother for Nicole distroying his family.  Well I always felt his son did it.  he was excellent with using knives he graduated from a top chef school and never understood why media rush to judgement.  </p>
<p>I hope people stop sending money to gz because he took everyone for a ride.  His helpers frank taffee and osterman.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope gz doesnt avoid his jail cell waiting, many people did in the Oj trial.</p>
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		<title>By: nediva</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/09/05/zimmerman-crime-scene-investigation/#comment-18622</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nediva]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 04:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, that&#039;s so true dee dee is the key. If you take her side into account the fight started the moment martins phone was dropped. If you think about it marker 7 let&#039;s us know that George was far from the T when the confratation started.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s so true dee dee is the key. If you take her side into account the fight started the moment martins phone was dropped. If you think about it marker 7 let&#8217;s us know that George was far from the T when the confratation started.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/09/05/zimmerman-crime-scene-investigation/#comment-18406</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patricia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 05:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jd, you know that about the &quot;lie detector test&quot; and I know that about the &quot;lie detector test,&quot; and every student on this site knows that about &quot;the lie detector test&quot;  ...  I am simply reporting the propaganda swill that Mark Osterman will be spewing on the upcoming Dr. Phil show because it was IN THE PROMO CLIP that Dr. Phil featured.

None of us here are taken in by that garbage.  You gave a wonderfully amplified description of the psychological challenges investigators set up for interviewees.  I get it, my friend.  We all get it.  We&#039;ve all gotten it since the document dump.

But .... does the public get it?  Not unless Dr. Phil challenged him (I doubt it) and the segment has already been shot.

For those who did not see the promo clip today, I am simply alerting them to the fact that it&#039;s going to be in the show - another example of the propganda being waged to try to sanitize and rehabilitate Zimmerman&#039;s reputation.  

Unfortunately for the truth, Dr. Phil did not have you on the show as a &quot;foil&quot; for Osterman&#039;s propaganda and I expect no police agency would allow one of their investigators on the show unless they had &quot;final cut&quot;&quot; (editing rights) which the show would never grant. 

It doesn&#039;t look like Dr. Phil is going to be gentle with Mark Osterman (but one never knows).  Maybe to Osterman getting raked over the coals on network TV is worth it if he can get this stinking pile of bull droppings out over the airwaves: &quot;George passed the lie detector test.&quot;  

As we know, there&#039;s no law against misleading the public.  
We just had two political conventions.

It&#039;s a First Amendment Right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jd, you know that about the &#8220;lie detector test&#8221; and I know that about the &#8220;lie detector test,&#8221; and every student on this site knows that about &#8220;the lie detector test&#8221;  &#8230;  I am simply reporting the propaganda swill that Mark Osterman will be spewing on the upcoming Dr. Phil show because it was IN THE PROMO CLIP that Dr. Phil featured.</p>
<p>None of us here are taken in by that garbage.  You gave a wonderfully amplified description of the psychological challenges investigators set up for interviewees.  I get it, my friend.  We all get it.  We&#8217;ve all gotten it since the document dump.</p>
<p>But &#8230;. does the public get it?  Not unless Dr. Phil challenged him (I doubt it) and the segment has already been shot.</p>
<p>For those who did not see the promo clip today, I am simply alerting them to the fact that it&#8217;s going to be in the show &#8211; another example of the propganda being waged to try to sanitize and rehabilitate Zimmerman&#8217;s reputation.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately for the truth, Dr. Phil did not have you on the show as a &#8220;foil&#8221; for Osterman&#8217;s propaganda and I expect no police agency would allow one of their investigators on the show unless they had &#8220;final cut&#8221;" (editing rights) which the show would never grant. </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t look like Dr. Phil is going to be gentle with Mark Osterman (but one never knows).  Maybe to Osterman getting raked over the coals on network TV is worth it if he can get this stinking pile of bull droppings out over the airwaves: &#8220;George passed the lie detector test.&#8221;  </p>
<p>As we know, there&#8217;s no law against misleading the public.<br />
We just had two political conventions.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a First Amendment Right.</p>
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		<title>By: Frederick Leatherman</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/09/05/zimmerman-crime-scene-investigation/#comment-18399</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frederick Leatherman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 04:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, Greg and I created and organized the project when I was at the University of Idaho College of Law in Moscow and he was at Boise State University in Boise. I wasn&#039;t around very long after we got it up and running because I moved to Kentucky to start a new teaching position and the law school in Idaho decided to drop out of the project after I left.

I&#039;m sure the program is in good hands with Greg running it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Greg and I created and organized the project when I was at the University of Idaho College of Law in Moscow and he was at Boise State University in Boise. I wasn&#8217;t around very long after we got it up and running because I moved to Kentucky to start a new teaching position and the law school in Idaho decided to drop out of the project after I left.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the program is in good hands with Greg running it.</p>
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		<title>By: jd</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 04:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pardon me if I sound like a broken record but once again i want to point out that the &quot;voice stress test&quot; was simply a ruse to get GZ to tell his tale again to a fresh investigator.  The test itself is worthless, and cannot be used in court.  They acted like &quot;he passed it&quot; in order to keep him talking.  There is no data to interpret with such a test, or if there is it&#039;s useless anyway.  

If you notice, they also put him in a room waiting for no real reason for a LONG time so he would talk to break the silence and tension as well.  These are all standard investigative techniques, and they worked well against George.  

The entire SPD handling of GZ can be describes as good cop/good cop with a lot of &quot;give him enough rope.&quot;  He certainly hung himself.  

During this run up to the &quot;test&quot; GZ made more inconsistent and contradictory statements and in general exposed his own lies to scrutiny.  All of this &quot;can and will be used against him in a court of law.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pardon me if I sound like a broken record but once again i want to point out that the &#8220;voice stress test&#8221; was simply a ruse to get GZ to tell his tale again to a fresh investigator.  The test itself is worthless, and cannot be used in court.  They acted like &#8220;he passed it&#8221; in order to keep him talking.  There is no data to interpret with such a test, or if there is it&#8217;s useless anyway.  </p>
<p>If you notice, they also put him in a room waiting for no real reason for a LONG time so he would talk to break the silence and tension as well.  These are all standard investigative techniques, and they worked well against George.  </p>
<p>The entire SPD handling of GZ can be describes as good cop/good cop with a lot of &#8220;give him enough rope.&#8221;  He certainly hung himself.  </p>
<p>During this run up to the &#8220;test&#8221; GZ made more inconsistent and contradictory statements and in general exposed his own lies to scrutiny.  All of this &#8220;can and will be used against him in a court of law.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Two sides to a story</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/09/05/zimmerman-crime-scene-investigation/#comment-18363</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Two sides to a story]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 01:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, Malisha, you&#039;re so skilled with words!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Malisha, you&#8217;re so skilled with words!</p>
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		<title>By: Two sides to a story</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Two sides to a story]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 01:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[*on or near them at all times.*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*on or near them at all times.*</p>
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		<title>By: Two sides to a story</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/09/05/zimmerman-crime-scene-investigation/#comment-18359</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Two sides to a story]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 01:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although I do think GZ was truly on his way to Target that night, as per his regular weekly schedule, I don&#039;t think he necessarily had a regular Neighborhood Watch routine - it sounds like from various reports that he simply watched the neighborhood when he walked the dog and on any trip in and out of the community. Some said he was seen prowling around also late at night.  I think the trip to Target is just repeated over and over in order to make us forget that he shouldn&#039;t have been carrying his concealed weapon while acting as NW, or that he was finally caught tragically mixing two activities. Apparently he did so frequently. And though he claims to not ever have carried his weapon into his workplace, what&#039;s to prevent him from having carried it regularly in his truck? Most CCW carriers like to keep their weapon near them at all times.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I do think GZ was truly on his way to Target that night, as per his regular weekly schedule, I don&#8217;t think he necessarily had a regular Neighborhood Watch routine &#8211; it sounds like from various reports that he simply watched the neighborhood when he walked the dog and on any trip in and out of the community. Some said he was seen prowling around also late at night.  I think the trip to Target is just repeated over and over in order to make us forget that he shouldn&#8217;t have been carrying his concealed weapon while acting as NW, or that he was finally caught tragically mixing two activities. Apparently he did so frequently. And though he claims to not ever have carried his weapon into his workplace, what&#8217;s to prevent him from having carried it regularly in his truck? Most CCW carriers like to keep their weapon near them at all times.</p>
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		<title>By: Two sides to a story</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/09/05/zimmerman-crime-scene-investigation/#comment-18356</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Two sides to a story]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 01:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This could possibly be true, Malisha. But theoretically speaking, if your theory is not the case (and it may not be simply because SPD continued their investigation) SPD wouldn&#039;t have known the full story when GZ was placed in the squad car, so a decision to not gather blood or DNA samples from the sidewalk would theoretically have to come later. Or this may be simply another mistake that SPD made.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This could possibly be true, Malisha. But theoretically speaking, if your theory is not the case (and it may not be simply because SPD continued their investigation) SPD wouldn&#8217;t have known the full story when GZ was placed in the squad car, so a decision to not gather blood or DNA samples from the sidewalk would theoretically have to come later. Or this may be simply another mistake that SPD made.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/09/05/zimmerman-crime-scene-investigation/#comment-18350</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patricia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 01:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Also did they look for any of Zimmerman&#039;s DNA on the soda can just to discredit another one of Zimmerman&#039;s scenerios?&quot;  

Roderick, what are you, some kind of trouble-maker?  You know Sanford PD doesn&#039;t want to make waves for &quot;one of its own.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Also did they look for any of Zimmerman&#8217;s DNA on the soda can just to discredit another one of Zimmerman&#8217;s scenerios?&#8221;  </p>
<p>Roderick, what are you, some kind of trouble-maker?  You know Sanford PD doesn&#8217;t want to make waves for &#8220;one of its own.&#8221;</p>
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