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		<title>By: Deborah Garner-Moore</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/08/29/zimmerman-update/#comment-24564</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah Garner-Moore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 22:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, GZ certainly does know the truth. He knows what traspired that night and he knows who may have witnessed what transpired, and who was with him. How does he sleep at night? The screams of TM ring in my ear I can hear them now. How does he sleep knowing that he shot a kid who was pleading, begging and crying for his Momma? Did he realize that neighbor Jeremy was outside at the same time that he was holding that gun on TM? Has he heard the 911 calls himself? Does this demon care about anything?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, GZ certainly does know the truth. He knows what traspired that night and he knows who may have witnessed what transpired, and who was with him. How does he sleep at night? The screams of TM ring in my ear I can hear them now. How does he sleep knowing that he shot a kid who was pleading, begging and crying for his Momma? Did he realize that neighbor Jeremy was outside at the same time that he was holding that gun on TM? Has he heard the 911 calls himself? Does this demon care about anything?</p>
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		<title>By: Malisha</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/08/29/zimmerman-update/#comment-17504</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malisha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 23:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, SYG is an extension of the so-called &quot;castle doctrine&quot; that says a man&#039;s home is his castle, and therefore, if someone breaks into your HOME or attacks you in your HOME, you are not required to try to retreat because you are where you are allowed to BE, and therefore, your actions in defending your home and yourself are more easily seen to be self-defense than, say, if you and someone else are engaged in hostilities out somewhere that is neither your home nor his.  The extension of that principle to the street, however, made it possible to say that nobody has to ever back down from a fight, and made it a sort of &quot;new dimension&quot; in public hostilities.  Whoever effectively showed that they were on the defending, rather than the OFFending, end of a fight, could stand their ground out there in the open where there presumably WAS no &quot;ground&quot; to stand.  Many lawmakers opposed that for the simple reason that it would obviously result in more violence.  Anybody who felt justified in his cause would set up his little &quot;castle&quot; around himself at any time, defend it, and do violence with great self-righteousness.

In the Zimmerman case, you have a guy defining his own castle so broadly that he gets out of his car and chases someone down so he can defend himself from them.  It&#039;s a territorial imperative turned into a nightmare, as self-appointed &quot;kings&quot; defend their castles in the air, wherever they happen to draw them, even around others they have no business accosting.  

The difference between traditional self-defense and the castle doctrine is really not subtle.  Self-defense says that you are always entitled to defend yourself; there is nothing mysterious about it.  But in order for you to defend yourself, you have to be agressed upon.  As I understand the procedural difference between the self-defense law and the SYG law in Florida, the difference is that a claim of SYG gets you a pre-trial hearing in front of a judge, with no jury.  If you can prove 51% that you were &quot;standing your ground&quot; when you hurt or killed someone, you&#039;re out, free, clear, no jury has to acquit you, and nobody can even sue you for damages.  It&#039;s over and you&#039;re free.  ONE JUDGE can do that.  You can appreciate how easily that entire process could be corrupted in a State like Florida.

Self-defense, on the other hand, unless there is now a procedural device for a pre-trial hearing in Florida based on traditional self-defense, is an affirmative defense to be used AT TRIAL in front of the jury (unless the defendant chooses to go to trial by judge alone, and waives his right to a jury).  

If this case had not hit the press as it had, but George DID get charged, he might have been able to get off on a SYG if Wolfinger assigned a prosecutor to the case who very sweetly agreed not to bring in any evidence that would make Georgie frown or become upset.  That is, the &quot;right judge&quot; could make sure Wolfinger&#039;s &quot;pet prosecutor&quot; was incompetent enough to have presented little enough evidence to allow for a SYG dismissal and nobody would have been the wiser.  THEY didn&#039;t THINK of that, and just decided to do away with the whole problem by lying on and within days after 2/26/2012 and by just not bothering to prosecute at all.  Perhaps they wouldn&#039;t be able to find a prosecutor &quot;compliant enough&quot; with Wolfinger&#039;s wishes or perhaps they couldn&#039;t be assured there was a judge available to &quot;listen&quot; to their pleasant arguments in chambers, whatever.  The bottom line is that the police and Wolfinger chose to make the whole thing go away without even going through the charade of a fixed SYG hearing, and it came back to bite them.

Even corruption has to be done right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, SYG is an extension of the so-called &#8220;castle doctrine&#8221; that says a man&#8217;s home is his castle, and therefore, if someone breaks into your HOME or attacks you in your HOME, you are not required to try to retreat because you are where you are allowed to BE, and therefore, your actions in defending your home and yourself are more easily seen to be self-defense than, say, if you and someone else are engaged in hostilities out somewhere that is neither your home nor his.  The extension of that principle to the street, however, made it possible to say that nobody has to ever back down from a fight, and made it a sort of &#8220;new dimension&#8221; in public hostilities.  Whoever effectively showed that they were on the defending, rather than the OFFending, end of a fight, could stand their ground out there in the open where there presumably WAS no &#8220;ground&#8221; to stand.  Many lawmakers opposed that for the simple reason that it would obviously result in more violence.  Anybody who felt justified in his cause would set up his little &#8220;castle&#8221; around himself at any time, defend it, and do violence with great self-righteousness.</p>
<p>In the Zimmerman case, you have a guy defining his own castle so broadly that he gets out of his car and chases someone down so he can defend himself from them.  It&#8217;s a territorial imperative turned into a nightmare, as self-appointed &#8220;kings&#8221; defend their castles in the air, wherever they happen to draw them, even around others they have no business accosting.  </p>
<p>The difference between traditional self-defense and the castle doctrine is really not subtle.  Self-defense says that you are always entitled to defend yourself; there is nothing mysterious about it.  But in order for you to defend yourself, you have to be agressed upon.  As I understand the procedural difference between the self-defense law and the SYG law in Florida, the difference is that a claim of SYG gets you a pre-trial hearing in front of a judge, with no jury.  If you can prove 51% that you were &#8220;standing your ground&#8221; when you hurt or killed someone, you&#8217;re out, free, clear, no jury has to acquit you, and nobody can even sue you for damages.  It&#8217;s over and you&#8217;re free.  ONE JUDGE can do that.  You can appreciate how easily that entire process could be corrupted in a State like Florida.</p>
<p>Self-defense, on the other hand, unless there is now a procedural device for a pre-trial hearing in Florida based on traditional self-defense, is an affirmative defense to be used AT TRIAL in front of the jury (unless the defendant chooses to go to trial by judge alone, and waives his right to a jury).  </p>
<p>If this case had not hit the press as it had, but George DID get charged, he might have been able to get off on a SYG if Wolfinger assigned a prosecutor to the case who very sweetly agreed not to bring in any evidence that would make Georgie frown or become upset.  That is, the &#8220;right judge&#8221; could make sure Wolfinger&#8217;s &#8220;pet prosecutor&#8221; was incompetent enough to have presented little enough evidence to allow for a SYG dismissal and nobody would have been the wiser.  THEY didn&#8217;t THINK of that, and just decided to do away with the whole problem by lying on and within days after 2/26/2012 and by just not bothering to prosecute at all.  Perhaps they wouldn&#8217;t be able to find a prosecutor &#8220;compliant enough&#8221; with Wolfinger&#8217;s wishes or perhaps they couldn&#8217;t be assured there was a judge available to &#8220;listen&#8221; to their pleasant arguments in chambers, whatever.  The bottom line is that the police and Wolfinger chose to make the whole thing go away without even going through the charade of a fixed SYG hearing, and it came back to bite them.</p>
<p>Even corruption has to be done right.</p>
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		<title>By: Malisha</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/08/29/zimmerman-update/#comment-17187</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malisha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 02:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cielo Perdomo</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/08/29/zimmerman-update/#comment-17149</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cielo Perdomo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 00:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for the advice. I still enoy reading the articles at HP but have stopped commenting or even reading the comments section. And I thought the Housyon Chronicle was backwards and regionalistic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the advice. I still enoy reading the articles at HP but have stopped commenting or even reading the comments section. And I thought the Housyon Chronicle was backwards and regionalistic.</p>
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		<title>By: Malisha</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/08/29/zimmerman-update/#comment-17089</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malisha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 21:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This comment jumped into the wrong place on the blog so I&#039;m repeating it:

I felt resentful that truly rotten judges are never recused when they should be, but good decent judges doing their jobs get recused on behalf of manipulative sociopaths, but then, I thought, “What’s the ultimate result of this?”

And that brought the smile back to my face.  :-)  

Also, I thought this:  George Zimmerman was arguing at the second bond hearing that he could not afford a million dollar bond; then he got out in a day or two.  Hmmmm.  Now what can he argue?  That he has to get his bond lowered because he can&#039;t stay out on bond for the higher amount?  They should go ahead and refile all the motions, that&#039;s actually hilarious.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This comment jumped into the wrong place on the blog so I&#8217;m repeating it:</p>
<p>I felt resentful that truly rotten judges are never recused when they should be, but good decent judges doing their jobs get recused on behalf of manipulative sociopaths, but then, I thought, “What’s the ultimate result of this?”</p>
<p>And that brought the smile back to my face.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>Also, I thought this:  George Zimmerman was arguing at the second bond hearing that he could not afford a million dollar bond; then he got out in a day or two.  Hmmmm.  Now what can he argue?  That he has to get his bond lowered because he can&#8217;t stay out on bond for the higher amount?  They should go ahead and refile all the motions, that&#8217;s actually hilarious.</p>
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		<title>By: Malisha</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/08/29/zimmerman-update/#comment-17084</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malisha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 21:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I felt resentful that truly rotten judges are never recused when they should be, but good decent judges doing their jobs get recused on behalf of manipulative sociopaths, but then, I thought, &quot;What&#039;s the ultimate result of this?&quot;

And that brought the smile back to my face.  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I felt resentful that truly rotten judges are never recused when they should be, but good decent judges doing their jobs get recused on behalf of manipulative sociopaths, but then, I thought, &#8220;What&#8217;s the ultimate result of this?&#8221;</p>
<p>And that brought the smile back to my face.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ajamazin</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/08/29/zimmerman-update/#comment-17070</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ajamazin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 20:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cielo,  

@rnsone is known by many, many names. Sh00fly would be one. 

I first encountered it on Huffington Post. 

You would do well to avoid it. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cielo,  </p>
<p>@rnsone is known by many, many names. Sh00fly would be one. </p>
<p>I first encountered it on Huffington Post. </p>
<p>You would do well to avoid it. </p>
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		<title>By: Cielo</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/08/29/zimmerman-update/#comment-17060</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cielo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 19:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOL! All the posts I recall from @rnsone deal with whining about Aja&#039;s tweets. Does it have anything to do with the case at hand? No. Still TBT you believe as you see it. To me, the complaining, whining and distractions equals TROLL.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL! All the posts I recall from @rnsone deal with whining about Aja&#8217;s tweets. Does it have anything to do with the case at hand? No. Still TBT you believe as you see it. To me, the complaining, whining and distractions equals TROLL.</p>
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		<title>By: TruthBTold</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/08/29/zimmerman-update/#comment-17052</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TruthBTold]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 19:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow Cielo, you are so wrong on this one, so wrong.  I&#039;m done.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Cielo, you are so wrong on this one, so wrong.  I&#8217;m done.</p>
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		<title>By: @rnsone</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/08/29/zimmerman-update/#comment-17050</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[@rnsone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 19:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok I&#039;ll read new post.Thank You.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok I&#8217;ll read new post.Thank You.</p>
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