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		<title>By: Deborah Garner-Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah Garner-Moore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 18:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cielo: Yes GZ waved his right to a speedy trial and in doing so thought he would be sitting on his ass and we would forget.....NOT! More and more evidence gets revealed every other day in regard to his case! Look how much we know already, and I cannot imagine what the prosecution has hidden from the public regarding the enhanced 911 phone calls which is not redacted, and GZ&#039;s cell phone calls for that day and especially that evening.

Six months ago, we knew nothing about the 911 phone calls or what was on them and since they have been released, we hear TM in the background hollering and screaming and saying, &quot;I don&#039;t know, I don&#039;t know, and Help Me Mom!&quot; and GZ interrogating him and so many other things were caught on tape and GZ to his surprise, didn&#039;t realize that he was on tape, and the witnesses who also saw and heard so many things. Did Osterman ever imagine he his photo would be on the ATM machine camera and how that factors in this case?

GZ thought he was not seen and that he committed this crime with no witnesses, but he did have witnesses and TM&#039;s voice, is forever seared in our minds and souls on that 911 tape. He left more than enough evidence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cielo: Yes GZ waved his right to a speedy trial and in doing so thought he would be sitting on his ass and we would forget&#8230;..NOT! More and more evidence gets revealed every other day in regard to his case! Look how much we know already, and I cannot imagine what the prosecution has hidden from the public regarding the enhanced 911 phone calls which is not redacted, and GZ&#8217;s cell phone calls for that day and especially that evening.</p>
<p>Six months ago, we knew nothing about the 911 phone calls or what was on them and since they have been released, we hear TM in the background hollering and screaming and saying, &#8220;I don&#8217;t know, I don&#8217;t know, and Help Me Mom!&#8221; and GZ interrogating him and so many other things were caught on tape and GZ to his surprise, didn&#8217;t realize that he was on tape, and the witnesses who also saw and heard so many things. Did Osterman ever imagine he his photo would be on the ATM machine camera and how that factors in this case?</p>
<p>GZ thought he was not seen and that he committed this crime with no witnesses, but he did have witnesses and TM&#8217;s voice, is forever seared in our minds and souls on that 911 tape. He left more than enough evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah Garner-Moore</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/08/26/why-did-george-zimmerman-kill-trayvon-martin/#comment-25030</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah Garner-Moore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Edgy! Miss you on HP BTW! You are a stone genius! GZ also drinks, but he was ordered to refrain, by the former Judge Lestor. Can you imagine the inner turmoil that these two are suffering? The truth shall set you free people! Frank Taaffe has lost two sons  tragically and then he has the nerve to denigrate and wish death upon his daughter who is serving in the military? What kind of father is he? He needs to come clean and repent but we know he won&#039;t. Shellie still has a chance but she has to come clean and unload that albatross called a husband from around her neck if she stands a chance of any future. GZ is socio-path, and she must see that by now. He is just pulling her down with him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Edgy! Miss you on HP BTW! You are a stone genius! GZ also drinks, but he was ordered to refrain, by the former Judge Lestor. Can you imagine the inner turmoil that these two are suffering? The truth shall set you free people! Frank Taaffe has lost two sons  tragically and then he has the nerve to denigrate and wish death upon his daughter who is serving in the military? What kind of father is he? He needs to come clean and repent but we know he won&#8217;t. Shellie still has a chance but she has to come clean and unload that albatross called a husband from around her neck if she stands a chance of any future. GZ is socio-path, and she must see that by now. He is just pulling her down with him.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah Garner-Moore</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/08/26/why-did-george-zimmerman-kill-trayvon-martin/#comment-24573</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah Garner-Moore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 22:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No thanks. I&#039;ll pass on the photos of the man who rec&#039;d the beat-down! Being a Nurse for 22 yrs. I have seen, wrapped, treated and dressed so many head injuries to nurmerous to count and they are all so horrifying!  I remember the photos of Rodney King and that was to much for me to view. Rodney was never the same after that beatdown. GZ had scratches on his head which were in various stages of healing! How can that be if he had just rec&#039;d fresh wounds that day? This man is absolutely insane!  No wonder he didn&#039;t want to go to the hospital!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No thanks. I&#8217;ll pass on the photos of the man who rec&#8217;d the beat-down! Being a Nurse for 22 yrs. I have seen, wrapped, treated and dressed so many head injuries to nurmerous to count and they are all so horrifying!  I remember the photos of Rodney King and that was to much for me to view. Rodney was never the same after that beatdown. GZ had scratches on his head which were in various stages of healing! How can that be if he had just rec&#8217;d fresh wounds that day? This man is absolutely insane!  No wonder he didn&#8217;t want to go to the hospital!</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah Garner-Moore</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/08/26/why-did-george-zimmerman-kill-trayvon-martin/#comment-24568</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah Garner-Moore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 22:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good post Kelly! I wanted to comment on your post back in August, and you see, I just got to it now! We all made mistakes in life when we were teens. That is called life. We grow and learn. I have had to say this to my own children several times. We learn and we live and we don&#039;t make the same mistakes again, or we must live with the devastating consequences of our mistakes. 

Yes, it is so painful and hurtful to hear the tape of TM begging and pleading for his life. How can anyone who calls who himself Neighborhood Watchman, protector of the Neighborhood, still shoot a kid anyway, and then lie about what transpired? Did he have accomplices in this crime? Why would he lie about everything and think he could get away with this crime especially now that his lies have proven to be unsubstanciated? It wouldn&#039;t matter if TM was a bad kid, Charles Manson, or Ted Bundy! GZ is not judge and jury! He was not a law enforcement official. He had no right to take the life of anyone who was just walking down the street!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Kelly! I wanted to comment on your post back in August, and you see, I just got to it now! We all made mistakes in life when we were teens. That is called life. We grow and learn. I have had to say this to my own children several times. We learn and we live and we don&#8217;t make the same mistakes again, or we must live with the devastating consequences of our mistakes. </p>
<p>Yes, it is so painful and hurtful to hear the tape of TM begging and pleading for his life. How can anyone who calls who himself Neighborhood Watchman, protector of the Neighborhood, still shoot a kid anyway, and then lie about what transpired? Did he have accomplices in this crime? Why would he lie about everything and think he could get away with this crime especially now that his lies have proven to be unsubstanciated? It wouldn&#8217;t matter if TM was a bad kid, Charles Manson, or Ted Bundy! GZ is not judge and jury! He was not a law enforcement official. He had no right to take the life of anyone who was just walking down the street!</p>
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		<title>By: jayden marx</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jayden marx]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2012 17:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can the prosecution use this &quot;looking for an address&quot; against Zimmerman in court?  How can they introduce it if Zimmerman doesn&#039;t testify?

I vaguely remember Zimmerman saying that he was asked by dispatcher to obtain an address but the request is not on tape of the non emergency call.   Can this be used by prosecution against Zimmerman. 

How much can be &quot;excused&quot; by defense as faulty memory by George because of his ADHD and George didn&#039;t intentionally lie?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can the prosecution use this &#8220;looking for an address&#8221; against Zimmerman in court?  How can they introduce it if Zimmerman doesn&#8217;t testify?</p>
<p>I vaguely remember Zimmerman saying that he was asked by dispatcher to obtain an address but the request is not on tape of the non emergency call.   Can this be used by prosecution against Zimmerman. </p>
<p>How much can be &#8220;excused&#8221; by defense as faulty memory by George because of his ADHD and George didn&#8217;t intentionally lie?</p>
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		<title>By: PYorck</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PYorck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2012 16:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a question about that. To what extent are you allowed to draw inferences from the fact that someone lied about something, beyond their overall credibility? What if you do not have a clear alternative scenario? 

For example, I do not believe that the details of GZ&#039;s account of the struggle over the gun are remotely credible. Informally I would infer that he is actively hiding whatever really happened because it is more damaging. However I am not so sure that this line of reasoning would be worth anything in court.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question about that. To what extent are you allowed to draw inferences from the fact that someone lied about something, beyond their overall credibility? What if you do not have a clear alternative scenario? </p>
<p>For example, I do not believe that the details of GZ&#8217;s account of the struggle over the gun are remotely credible. Informally I would infer that he is actively hiding whatever really happened because it is more damaging. However I am not so sure that this line of reasoning would be worth anything in court.</p>
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		<title>By: Frederick Leatherman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frederick Leatherman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2012 16:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You said,



&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Is this “looking for an address” story relevant at all?&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Answer: Yes, it&#039;s relevant to prove Zimmerman was hunting for TM, because he obviously wasn&#039;t looking for an address and merely used that as an excuse to stay on the move looking for TM.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Is this “looking for an address” story relevant at all?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Answer: Yes, it&#8217;s relevant to prove Zimmerman was hunting for TM, because he obviously wasn&#8217;t looking for an address and merely used that as an excuse to stay on the move looking for TM.</p>
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		<title>By: jayden marx</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jayden marx]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2012 13:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t studied the Zimmerman evidence as many posters here have, but I have a question based on Zimmerman&#039;s excuse he was looking for an address to give dispatcher.  

If Trayvon was running toward the back entrance,  as Zimmerman said in the non-emergency call, why did Zimmerman need a specific address to give the dispatcher?  That didn&#039;t make sense to me given Zimmerman wasn&#039;t planning on meeting the police at any particular address and Trayvon was running away.  Is this &quot;looking for an address&quot; story relevant at all?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t studied the Zimmerman evidence as many posters here have, but I have a question based on Zimmerman&#8217;s excuse he was looking for an address to give dispatcher.  </p>
<p>If Trayvon was running toward the back entrance,  as Zimmerman said in the non-emergency call, why did Zimmerman need a specific address to give the dispatcher?  That didn&#8217;t make sense to me given Zimmerman wasn&#8217;t planning on meeting the police at any particular address and Trayvon was running away.  Is this &#8220;looking for an address&#8221; story relevant at all?</p>
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		<title>By: cielo62</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cielo62]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 21:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Malisha- I doubt Judge Lester nor Judge Nelson are/ were going to allow GZ the opportunity to flee. But MOM seems to be trying to facilitate that very thing. I wonder: can Judge Nelson reverse that permission that allows FZ to leave the county? Should she try to keep him a short leash? I know I would at least until I could get a sense of GZs character to show up in court.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malisha- I doubt Judge Lester nor Judge Nelson are/ were going to allow GZ the opportunity to flee. But MOM seems to be trying to facilitate that very thing. I wonder: can Judge Nelson reverse that permission that allows FZ to leave the county? Should she try to keep him a short leash? I know I would at least until I could get a sense of GZs character to show up in court.</p>
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		<title>By: Malisha</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malisha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 15:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, I don&#039;t know where this will appear but it is not meant to be a response or &quot;reply&quot; to anyone else&#039;s comment, just a thought.

Imagine a wealthy guy who lives alone in a condo in a big city goes out one evening and gets killed in a car crash or just has a heart attack or something and dies.  Others in his building learn of it the next day.  He has no close relatives and has left all his money to some big-name charity.  By the time the landlord and police get around to opening up his apartment to do whatever legally needs to be done, they find that all his possessions (identified on his homeowners&#039; insurance policy rider and valued at over $1 million) are gone and that his various bank accounts have been emptied and so forth, so the value of the estate is maybe a thousand dollars, total.  A small bit of investigation leads them to conclude that a neighbor hired a locksmith to get in, used the paperwork in the apartment to figure out how to access all the bank accounts and  other assets, and basically pulled off a huge heist within three days of the death.  

They take him in for questioning and he says that he took it all because the deceased verbally told him that he wanted him to do that, and that he wanted him to have everything.  

Nobody has ever seen these two together, knows of any relationship between them, or had any reason to believe they knew each other.  The guy gets charged with theft, fraud, etc.

The guy hires a good lawyer who makes a motion to dismiss all charges because he can prove 51% that he had permission to take all the money and assets, and no other witness was present when the deceased told him he could, and the deceased, being dead, cannot testify that this is not exactly what happened.

So OK, he walks.

Should he be able to sue the people who suggested he was a thief?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I don&#8217;t know where this will appear but it is not meant to be a response or &#8220;reply&#8221; to anyone else&#8217;s comment, just a thought.</p>
<p>Imagine a wealthy guy who lives alone in a condo in a big city goes out one evening and gets killed in a car crash or just has a heart attack or something and dies.  Others in his building learn of it the next day.  He has no close relatives and has left all his money to some big-name charity.  By the time the landlord and police get around to opening up his apartment to do whatever legally needs to be done, they find that all his possessions (identified on his homeowners&#8217; insurance policy rider and valued at over $1 million) are gone and that his various bank accounts have been emptied and so forth, so the value of the estate is maybe a thousand dollars, total.  A small bit of investigation leads them to conclude that a neighbor hired a locksmith to get in, used the paperwork in the apartment to figure out how to access all the bank accounts and  other assets, and basically pulled off a huge heist within three days of the death.  </p>
<p>They take him in for questioning and he says that he took it all because the deceased verbally told him that he wanted him to do that, and that he wanted him to have everything.  </p>
<p>Nobody has ever seen these two together, knows of any relationship between them, or had any reason to believe they knew each other.  The guy gets charged with theft, fraud, etc.</p>
<p>The guy hires a good lawyer who makes a motion to dismiss all charges because he can prove 51% that he had permission to take all the money and assets, and no other witness was present when the deceased told him he could, and the deceased, being dead, cannot testify that this is not exactly what happened.</p>
<p>So OK, he walks.</p>
<p>Should he be able to sue the people who suggested he was a thief?</p>
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