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	<title>Comments on: Zimmerman: Did George Zimmerman&#8217;s Conduct Exhibit Premeditation? UPDATED Below</title>
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		<title>By: Malisha</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/08/22/zimmerman-did-george-zimmermans-conduct-exhibit-premeditation/#comment-15169</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malisha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 12:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I posted some comments on the &quot;Why did GZ kill TM&quot; thread that really have more to do with premeditation -- the discussion there seemed to bring up those comments, sorry...

Briefly, to recap them:

I think someone in the N-Watch had phoned the police to complain about George &quot;patrolling with a gun&quot; and being aggressive;

I think George wanted to provoke some incident to prove he needed his gun;

I think he set out that night to show how essential his patrolling AND the gun were to the community;

Thus he called NEN and failed to identify himself as N-Watch personnel and

Thus he tried to provoke Trayvon into violence so he could subdue him, and then either injured himself to make it look like an attack or attacked Trayvon to provoke defense of some sort (admittedly not enough to do real damage, but consider that Trayvon probably had no intention of engaging in combat with the lunatic) so he could NEED HIS GUN and show the NW that his policies were right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted some comments on the &#8220;Why did GZ kill TM&#8221; thread that really have more to do with premeditation &#8212; the discussion there seemed to bring up those comments, sorry&#8230;</p>
<p>Briefly, to recap them:</p>
<p>I think someone in the N-Watch had phoned the police to complain about George &#8220;patrolling with a gun&#8221; and being aggressive;</p>
<p>I think George wanted to provoke some incident to prove he needed his gun;</p>
<p>I think he set out that night to show how essential his patrolling AND the gun were to the community;</p>
<p>Thus he called NEN and failed to identify himself as N-Watch personnel and</p>
<p>Thus he tried to provoke Trayvon into violence so he could subdue him, and then either injured himself to make it look like an attack or attacked Trayvon to provoke defense of some sort (admittedly not enough to do real damage, but consider that Trayvon probably had no intention of engaging in combat with the lunatic) so he could NEED HIS GUN and show the NW that his policies were right.</p>
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		<title>By: Malisha</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/08/22/zimmerman-did-george-zimmermans-conduct-exhibit-premeditation/#comment-15050</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malisha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 23:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Under Florida law, premeditation does not have to take place over a very long period of time.  Even if George&#039;s own version of the events were taken as true, arguendo, he could be said to have premeditated the murder from the time his &quot;jacket came up&quot; until the time he shot Trayvon Martin in the heart.  The magic words are:

&quot;Premeditation is a fully formed conscious purpose to kill that may be formed in a moment and need only exist for such time as will allow the accused to be conscious of the nature of the act he is about to commit and the probable result of that act.&quot;

Since Corey did not charge premeditated (first-degree) murder, though, and since she could not do so without convening a grand jury, it may be a moot point now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Under Florida law, premeditation does not have to take place over a very long period of time.  Even if George&#8217;s own version of the events were taken as true, arguendo, he could be said to have premeditated the murder from the time his &#8220;jacket came up&#8221; until the time he shot Trayvon Martin in the heart.  The magic words are:</p>
<p>&#8220;Premeditation is a fully formed conscious purpose to kill that may be formed in a moment and need only exist for such time as will allow the accused to be conscious of the nature of the act he is about to commit and the probable result of that act.&#8221;</p>
<p>Since Corey did not charge premeditated (first-degree) murder, though, and since she could not do so without convening a grand jury, it may be a moot point now.</p>
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		<title>By: Malisha</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/08/22/zimmerman-did-george-zimmermans-conduct-exhibit-premeditation/#comment-14474</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malisha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Earlier, re Burgess arrest:

The apprehension of Burgess was not attributed to GZ other than Frank Taaffe saying so.

I believe Cynthia Wibker, of the &quot;Homeowners Association&quot; or the &quot;Neighborhood Watch Association&quot; or something, also carried on about how George was so important in apprehending criminals who were preying on the neighborhood.

REMEMBER, though, that these protestations of how important it was for George to patrol and protect have much more to do with the civil suits that will inevitably occur against the property owners at The &quot;Retreat&quot; later on.  Interestingly, only the SYG law would have protected THEM from lawsuits.  Whether George is convicted or acquitted, or pleads, or escapes, or even predeceases his trial or the resolution of this case, those lawsuits will be a serious consideration to the people who live in the community and a serious consideration for the insurance carriers who have their homeowners&#039; insurance policies (and the banks holding the mortgages and and and and and...) unless that SYG law can save them ALL from the legal consequences of that evening&#039;s activities, which were indulged in all in the name of the community itself, which was purportedly being protected by this zealous godly volunteer. 

If you look at the statements made by George, Bill Lee (&quot;I don&#039;t know why he thought he had to kill Trayvon&quot; presumes he did in fact &quot;have to kill&quot; Trayvon), Taaffe, Wibker and possibly others, you see a sort of pattern of belief that not only was the killing justifiable, but that it was to be justified by people who lived there, not by lawful police authorities.  It begins to look like a case of a whole vigilante neighborhood, not just a vigilante neighbor, especially since on March 1, 2012, at a meeting, many as yet unnamed residents kicked out a resident for insisting that he or she had previously called the police to complain about George patrolling with a gun, and there is a suggestion that this person who was kicked out of the meeting had asked the police to STOP George Zimmerman from patrolling with a gun.  

Think of the ultimate result of the civil suit if that happened and/or if the police have destroyed the records of that having happened.  After all, there were press reports of a young Black male resident claiming that he was afraid to walk around in his own neighborhood because of George Zimmerman&#039;s pre-2/26/2012 activities and neighborhood agitation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earlier, re Burgess arrest:</p>
<p>The apprehension of Burgess was not attributed to GZ other than Frank Taaffe saying so.</p>
<p>I believe Cynthia Wibker, of the &#8220;Homeowners Association&#8221; or the &#8220;Neighborhood Watch Association&#8221; or something, also carried on about how George was so important in apprehending criminals who were preying on the neighborhood.</p>
<p>REMEMBER, though, that these protestations of how important it was for George to patrol and protect have much more to do with the civil suits that will inevitably occur against the property owners at The &#8220;Retreat&#8221; later on.  Interestingly, only the SYG law would have protected THEM from lawsuits.  Whether George is convicted or acquitted, or pleads, or escapes, or even predeceases his trial or the resolution of this case, those lawsuits will be a serious consideration to the people who live in the community and a serious consideration for the insurance carriers who have their homeowners&#8217; insurance policies (and the banks holding the mortgages and and and and and&#8230;) unless that SYG law can save them ALL from the legal consequences of that evening&#8217;s activities, which were indulged in all in the name of the community itself, which was purportedly being protected by this zealous godly volunteer. </p>
<p>If you look at the statements made by George, Bill Lee (&#8220;I don&#8217;t know why he thought he had to kill Trayvon&#8221; presumes he did in fact &#8220;have to kill&#8221; Trayvon), Taaffe, Wibker and possibly others, you see a sort of pattern of belief that not only was the killing justifiable, but that it was to be justified by people who lived there, not by lawful police authorities.  It begins to look like a case of a whole vigilante neighborhood, not just a vigilante neighbor, especially since on March 1, 2012, at a meeting, many as yet unnamed residents kicked out a resident for insisting that he or she had previously called the police to complain about George patrolling with a gun, and there is a suggestion that this person who was kicked out of the meeting had asked the police to STOP George Zimmerman from patrolling with a gun.  </p>
<p>Think of the ultimate result of the civil suit if that happened and/or if the police have destroyed the records of that having happened.  After all, there were press reports of a young Black male resident claiming that he was afraid to walk around in his own neighborhood because of George Zimmerman&#8217;s pre-2/26/2012 activities and neighborhood agitation.</p>
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		<title>By: aussie</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/08/22/zimmerman-did-george-zimmermans-conduct-exhibit-premeditation/#comment-14352</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aussie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2012 01:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A lot of people have vehicles they don&#039;t &quot;need&quot;.   It&#039;s to project an image, if only to themselves.   It&#039;s an ego thing  (does that surprise you with GZ?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of people have vehicles they don&#8217;t &#8220;need&#8221;.   It&#8217;s to project an image, if only to themselves.   It&#8217;s an ego thing  (does that surprise you with GZ?)</p>
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		<title>By: aussie</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/08/22/zimmerman-did-george-zimmermans-conduct-exhibit-premeditation/#comment-14342</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aussie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2012 01:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Remember Tracy Martin&#039;s call to report Trayvon missing? and he has to ask Brandi for the address?

And the Nuthouse nasties grabbed that as evidence that the whole story of the relationship and TM living there was made up, just to excuse his presence there when he was up to no good. 


And i know heaps of people who don&#039;t know their own phone number. They never ring themselves, do they?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember Tracy Martin&#8217;s call to report Trayvon missing? and he has to ask Brandi for the address?</p>
<p>And the Nuthouse nasties grabbed that as evidence that the whole story of the relationship and TM living there was made up, just to excuse his presence there when he was up to no good. </p>
<p>And i know heaps of people who don&#8217;t know their own phone number. They never ring themselves, do they?</p>
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		<title>By: gbrbsb</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/08/22/zimmerman-did-george-zimmermans-conduct-exhibit-premeditation/#comment-14097</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gbrbsb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for clarifications Sandra, I knew I&#039;d heard something about his key/s. I agree with aussie and Martingale, at least in my experience people tend to say keys, even if there is only one especially when referring to house or car keys, unless referring to a &quot;spare&quot;. I&#039;m not so sure people have the same habit with shot/s as aussie says. Where I live surrounded by farmland you often hear shooting (rabbits, monkjack, squirrels) and we certainly distinguish one from several.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clarifications Sandra, I knew I&#8217;d heard something about his key/s. I agree with aussie and Martingale, at least in my experience people tend to say keys, even if there is only one especially when referring to house or car keys, unless referring to a &#8220;spare&#8221;. I&#8217;m not so sure people have the same habit with shot/s as aussie says. Where I live surrounded by farmland you often hear shooting (rabbits, monkjack, squirrels) and we certainly distinguish one from several.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra E. Graham</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/08/22/zimmerman-did-george-zimmermans-conduct-exhibit-premeditation/#comment-14033</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sandra E. Graham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I couldn`t agree more. His name is Mark O`Mara. It is best to be civil and respectful toward others, Isn`t it. Personally, I would like to see the name-calling left at the door. Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn`t agree more. His name is Mark O`Mara. It is best to be civil and respectful toward others, Isn`t it. Personally, I would like to see the name-calling left at the door. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: heartofhearts</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/08/22/zimmerman-did-george-zimmermans-conduct-exhibit-premeditation/#comment-14026</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[heartofhearts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think the judge should give him an inch, because he destroyed his own credibility in court during the first bond hearing and deserves no leniency. He should be happy he isn&#039;t sitting in jail. 
He was also instructed not to reach out to Trayvon&#039;s parents in anyway and AGAIN went against court orders by speaking to them via Sean Hannity. 
It was painful to watch their reaction to his interview. They should never of had to endure hearing him apologize, then retract his apology by saying he had no regrets, but couldn&#039;t leave it there, one more shot to the heart, it was all God&#039;s Plan.  
Good grief.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the judge should give him an inch, because he destroyed his own credibility in court during the first bond hearing and deserves no leniency. He should be happy he isn&#8217;t sitting in jail.<br />
He was also instructed not to reach out to Trayvon&#8217;s parents in anyway and AGAIN went against court orders by speaking to them via Sean Hannity.<br />
It was painful to watch their reaction to his interview. They should never of had to endure hearing him apologize, then retract his apology by saying he had no regrets, but couldn&#8217;t leave it there, one more shot to the heart, it was all God&#8217;s Plan.<br />
Good grief.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandi Bell-Gibson</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/08/22/zimmerman-did-george-zimmermans-conduct-exhibit-premeditation/#comment-14009</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brandi Bell-Gibson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr Leatherman yes the trace evidence person was on the witness list of the preosecutor.  On the police station video zimmerman is wiping his feet as he comes through the door.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Leatherman yes the trace evidence person was on the witness list of the preosecutor.  On the police station video zimmerman is wiping his feet as he comes through the door.</p>
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		<title>By: KA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boar - Excellent overview. 

Thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boar &#8211; Excellent overview. </p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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