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	<title>Comments on: Holmes: Does the Colorado Statute Bar Recovery?</title>
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		<title>By: aussie</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/08/03/holmes-does-the-colorado-statute-bar-recovery/#comment-7114</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aussie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2012 04:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In Australia there is a mandatory drug scheme for heroin addicts who have been brought before the courts, as part of their probation.  They must attend the methodone clinic and take their methodone (supervised) and the police can go after them if they fail to show up. 

So there is a precedent, although this is for people who&#039;ve broken the law, not just happen to suffer from an illness. But we also have a scheme for those requiring tuberculosis medication and I think that is also compulsory (though going to get diagnosed is not).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Australia there is a mandatory drug scheme for heroin addicts who have been brought before the courts, as part of their probation.  They must attend the methodone clinic and take their methodone (supervised) and the police can go after them if they fail to show up. </p>
<p>So there is a precedent, although this is for people who&#8217;ve broken the law, not just happen to suffer from an illness. But we also have a scheme for those requiring tuberculosis medication and I think that is also compulsory (though going to get diagnosed is not).</p>
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		<title>By: Nef05</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2012 01:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There was an effort made in the US and the UK, within the last decade, to look at legislating mandatory prescription medication for specific mental illnesses (schizophrenia was among them). 

IIRC, it was being looked at as an offshoot of Kendra&#039;s Law (NY), where a series of violent schizophrenic episodes (by different schizophrenics) resulted in the deaths of innocent bystanders (you might remember a couple different people were pushed into the path of NY subway trains). Kendra&#039;s Law allows for mandatory out-patient psychotherapy, but does not have a prescription mandate. Later incidents, in both countries, were believed to have a strong correlation to the lack of prescription treatment progam management.  

It was believed that schizophrenics would either stop taking their meds because of the side effects or they would believe themselves &quot;cured&quot; because of the efficacy of the prescription treatment, and stop taking their meds. Needless to say, the symptoms of their illness would soon return, and the problems along with them. 

Of course, the effort hasn&#039;t gone beyond the discussion point. Though, I believe with the UK&#039;s health program, they would have a much better shot of actually pulling such legislation off, in a practical sense.  As a US citizen who firmly believes all my fellow citizens have the protection of the constitution, I&#039;m of two minds about this. I don&#039;t believe anyone should be forced to take medication against their will. Where is the line drawn? OTOH, not wanting myself or my loved ones to be pushed in front of a subway train or shot and killed in a movie theatre or in the vicinity of a function serving the American political process, serves as an increasingly compelling argument. It&#039;s a pretty awful choice anyway you look at it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was an effort made in the US and the UK, within the last decade, to look at legislating mandatory prescription medication for specific mental illnesses (schizophrenia was among them). </p>
<p>IIRC, it was being looked at as an offshoot of Kendra&#8217;s Law (NY), where a series of violent schizophrenic episodes (by different schizophrenics) resulted in the deaths of innocent bystanders (you might remember a couple different people were pushed into the path of NY subway trains). Kendra&#8217;s Law allows for mandatory out-patient psychotherapy, but does not have a prescription mandate. Later incidents, in both countries, were believed to have a strong correlation to the lack of prescription treatment progam management.  </p>
<p>It was believed that schizophrenics would either stop taking their meds because of the side effects or they would believe themselves &#8220;cured&#8221; because of the efficacy of the prescription treatment, and stop taking their meds. Needless to say, the symptoms of their illness would soon return, and the problems along with them. </p>
<p>Of course, the effort hasn&#8217;t gone beyond the discussion point. Though, I believe with the UK&#8217;s health program, they would have a much better shot of actually pulling such legislation off, in a practical sense.  As a US citizen who firmly believes all my fellow citizens have the protection of the constitution, I&#8217;m of two minds about this. I don&#8217;t believe anyone should be forced to take medication against their will. Where is the line drawn? OTOH, not wanting myself or my loved ones to be pushed in front of a subway train or shot and killed in a movie theatre or in the vicinity of a function serving the American political process, serves as an increasingly compelling argument. It&#8217;s a pretty awful choice anyway you look at it.</p>
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		<title>By: La Luna</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/08/03/holmes-does-the-colorado-statute-bar-recovery/#comment-7092</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[La Luna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2012 01:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While lives can never be restored, especially to the young mother who lost her 6 year old daughter, miscarried and is paralyzed. let&#039;s hope the justice system can provide a modicum of comfort.  
Whether Holmes is deranged in addition to being criminal, let&#039;s also hope the university and their representatives will be held accountable.  
Watching.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While lives can never be restored, especially to the young mother who lost her 6 year old daughter, miscarried and is paralyzed. let&#8217;s hope the justice system can provide a modicum of comfort.<br />
Whether Holmes is deranged in addition to being criminal, let&#8217;s also hope the university and their representatives will be held accountable.<br />
Watching.</p>
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		<title>By: lynp</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 22:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I will be very surprised if Holmes was on any medication let alone suffering from anything but the demons in his own head.  G-d created medication to help us, make us better. When we were doing herbs, nuts and berries to treat illnesses, the life expectancy rate was around 45 -50 years. Only the advent of modern medication and improved techniques have increased us to an average lifespan of 78 years.
 I think Colorado University Crisis Assessment Team dropped the ball by not investigating his actions or utterance but at the very least, notifying the Police that there was a threat in the community midst. Can&#039;t error on the side of conservatism. A visit from the Police to Holmes&#039;s apartment would have told the tale before 70 people were killed and wounded. Holmes was only in the Community cause the University brought him there. Sadly, the University appears to have abandoned any responsibility for him when he developed mental illness and became a serious threat.
Professor, if it is true that exercizing the brain to prevent debilitating degenerative illness such as Alzheimers is true, I can only note that your thought provoking articles really help keep my brian bright and alert.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will be very surprised if Holmes was on any medication let alone suffering from anything but the demons in his own head.  G-d created medication to help us, make us better. When we were doing herbs, nuts and berries to treat illnesses, the life expectancy rate was around 45 -50 years. Only the advent of modern medication and improved techniques have increased us to an average lifespan of 78 years.<br />
 I think Colorado University Crisis Assessment Team dropped the ball by not investigating his actions or utterance but at the very least, notifying the Police that there was a threat in the community midst. Can&#8217;t error on the side of conservatism. A visit from the Police to Holmes&#8217;s apartment would have told the tale before 70 people were killed and wounded. Holmes was only in the Community cause the University brought him there. Sadly, the University appears to have abandoned any responsibility for him when he developed mental illness and became a serious threat.<br />
Professor, if it is true that exercizing the brain to prevent debilitating degenerative illness such as Alzheimers is true, I can only note that your thought provoking articles really help keep my brian bright and alert.</p>
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		<title>By: La Luna</title>
		<link>http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/08/03/holmes-does-the-colorado-statute-bar-recovery/#comment-7053</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[La Luna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;cookfoodgood&quot; ~ &quot;Things like fairness, justice, protecting citizens just ain&#039;t in it.&quot;   Agree! 

And the pattern is becoming well established with each occurrence; mass murderers most often have a psychiatric history, and are prescribed medications to treat their mental illness.  Labeling of these meds often warn about the potential for suicide or violence.  In this instance, it will be interesting to learn who might have dropped the ball. 

I&#039;d argue that psychiatry isn&#039;t a science; treatment is often trial and error, not to mention that an uncooperative patient may fail to regularly take his meds.  The data and evidence are piling up....there is an opportunity with each instance of mayhem for law and medicine to come together to clearly define how mental illness / insanity exists in overlapping circles in the context of criminal acting out.  

Thank you, Fred, for putting up the CO statute; if any good comes from this horrific event, it will be the focus of well-intentioned lawmakers to interpret and make provisions for all future occurrences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;cookfoodgood&#8221; ~ &#8220;Things like fairness, justice, protecting citizens just ain&#8217;t in it.&#8221;   Agree! </p>
<p>And the pattern is becoming well established with each occurrence; mass murderers most often have a psychiatric history, and are prescribed medications to treat their mental illness.  Labeling of these meds often warn about the potential for suicide or violence.  In this instance, it will be interesting to learn who might have dropped the ball. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d argue that psychiatry isn&#8217;t a science; treatment is often trial and error, not to mention that an uncooperative patient may fail to regularly take his meds.  The data and evidence are piling up&#8230;.there is an opportunity with each instance of mayhem for law and medicine to come together to clearly define how mental illness / insanity exists in overlapping circles in the context of criminal acting out.  </p>
<p>Thank you, Fred, for putting up the CO statute; if any good comes from this horrific event, it will be the focus of well-intentioned lawmakers to interpret and make provisions for all future occurrences.</p>
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		<title>By: crazy1946</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is there a possibility that she was the professor in one of the programs that he was enrolled in and during the course of that process she became more than just an instructor, but a friend as well? Then as a friend she realized that he was having a mental problem and as such she was attempting to help him as a friend and not as a professional, and as such not treating him in a formal structure? Or in this case would it be impossible to seperate the status of friend versus professional as it applies to this case? Part of my question has to do with the right of possession and disclosure in regards to the package(s) she received from Mr. Holmes and the potentially damaging (to the defense) content. Does the law deal the same with information she received as a private person versus what she had received as a paid professional?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a possibility that she was the professor in one of the programs that he was enrolled in and during the course of that process she became more than just an instructor, but a friend as well? Then as a friend she realized that he was having a mental problem and as such she was attempting to help him as a friend and not as a professional, and as such not treating him in a formal structure? Or in this case would it be impossible to seperate the status of friend versus professional as it applies to this case? Part of my question has to do with the right of possession and disclosure in regards to the package(s) she received from Mr. Holmes and the potentially damaging (to the defense) content. Does the law deal the same with information she received as a private person versus what she had received as a paid professional?</p>
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		<title>By: Nef05</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nef05]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 18:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting question. English professor and renowned poet Nikki Giovanni was certainly not considered in any way liable for the VA Tech shooting, after threatening to resign if the shooter was not removed from her seminar due to student complaints and student/teacher interaction in which she claimed to have tried to stop inappropriate behaviors (when you have an acclaimed poet tell you to stop writing your &quot;weird&quot; poetry, you&#039;ve got a problem).

But, every article I&#039;ve read has stated Holmes &quot;was under the care of&quot; which is a professional health (medical/mental) relationship. As such, and by having made the initial contact with the threat-assessment team, she holds the ethical/legal responsibility, so far as she knew (as was mentioned, was there a specific threat, and if so, were there identifiable victims).
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I believe the difference in degrees, makes a difference, as well. An English professor is not going to be held to the same standards as a medical/psychology professor. Their legal repsonsibilities are not only held towards the school, but within their own licensures.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting question. English professor and renowned poet Nikki Giovanni was certainly not considered in any way liable for the VA Tech shooting, after threatening to resign if the shooter was not removed from her seminar due to student complaints and student/teacher interaction in which she claimed to have tried to stop inappropriate behaviors (when you have an acclaimed poet tell you to stop writing your &#8220;weird&#8221; poetry, you&#8217;ve got a problem).</p>
<p>But, every article I&#8217;ve read has stated Holmes &#8220;was under the care of&#8221; which is a professional health (medical/mental) relationship. As such, and by having made the initial contact with the threat-assessment team, she holds the ethical/legal responsibility, so far as she knew (as was mentioned, was there a specific threat, and if so, were there identifiable victims).<br />
;<br />
I believe the difference in degrees, makes a difference, as well. An English professor is not going to be held to the same standards as a medical/psychology professor. Their legal repsonsibilities are not only held towards the school, but within their own licensures.</p>
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		<title>By: Frederick Leatherman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frederick Leatherman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 17:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Due to the gag order, I do not know for certain if he was her patient or just an acquaintance whom she knew at the Medical School.

I suspect he was her patient because, in addition to her teaching duties as a professor in the Medical School, she runs the Student Mental Health program and she specializes in the diagnosis and treatment of schizophrenia.

I suspect he may have sought treatment at Student Mental Health when he started to experience the symptoms of schizophrenia.

The bottom line is I do not know and am unlikely to know until the gag order is lifted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Due to the gag order, I do not know for certain if he was her patient or just an acquaintance whom she knew at the Medical School.</p>
<p>I suspect he was her patient because, in addition to her teaching duties as a professor in the Medical School, she runs the Student Mental Health program and she specializes in the diagnosis and treatment of schizophrenia.</p>
<p>I suspect he may have sought treatment at Student Mental Health when he started to experience the symptoms of schizophrenia.</p>
<p>The bottom line is I do not know and am unlikely to know until the gag order is lifted.</p>
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		<title>By: Frederick Leatherman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frederick Leatherman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 17:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a new post up:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://frederickleatherman.wordpress.com/2012/08/04/holmes-why-the-prosecution-is-waiting-to-decide-whether-to-seek-the-death-penalty/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Holmes: Why the Prosecution is Waiting to Decide Whether to Seek the Death Penalty&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a new post up:</p>
<p><a href="http://frederickleatherman.wordpress.com/2012/08/04/holmes-why-the-prosecution-is-waiting-to-decide-whether-to-seek-the-death-penalty/" rel="nofollow">Holmes: Why the Prosecution is Waiting to Decide Whether to Seek the Death Penalty</a></p>
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		<title>By: cookfoodgood</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cookfoodgood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 16:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Professor, you&#039;re overlooking the reality of modern politics.  

State legislatures have two primary functions.  The first is to ensure that insurance companies do not pay claims for anything, ever.  The second is to ensure that every mentally ill person with a sense of victimization is armed.    

In those state with a Republican governor and legislature, the legislature has a third responsibility; restricting voting rights. 

Things like fairness, justice, protecting citizens just ain&#039;t in it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor, you&#8217;re overlooking the reality of modern politics.  </p>
<p>State legislatures have two primary functions.  The first is to ensure that insurance companies do not pay claims for anything, ever.  The second is to ensure that every mentally ill person with a sense of victimization is armed.    </p>
<p>In those state with a Republican governor and legislature, the legislature has a third responsibility; restricting voting rights. </p>
<p>Things like fairness, justice, protecting citizens just ain&#8217;t in it.</p>
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